23 Aug 2013 11:48:28
Just wanted to give my two cents on the rumors surrounding some of the Real Madrid players. Have seen quite a few posts suggesting that just because Madrid will be getting Bale (seems imminent) that countless players will become available. Realistically I can only see Di Maria being available. I say this as it looks pretty clear that we'll see Isco, Bale and Ronaldo as an inter changing 3 behind the striker. Di Maria is a much more direct winger, traditional if you will, and isn't as good in a fluid, inter changing set up.

I can see Isco starting some games on the bench with Ozil coming in and Bale playing a more central role, so the only way I can see Ozil moving is if he pushed for a move so he can get more game time with the World Cup in mind. Can we guarantee him that game time? No, I don't think we can. If Rooney were to leave then maybe, but otherwise. where does he fit in?

As for the mentions of Khedira and Modric, with Alonso out injured it would be foolish to sell one of these. Yes, Illaramend is a CM but you couldn't expect Ancelotti to throw him into the deep end with start after start, especially considering he's had injury trouble of his own over the pre season.

Why people are thinking that bringing in one player (Bale, I know they have brought in others but this speculation has arisen since the Bale bids) means getting rid of 3/4 is beyond me. Especially considering the little net spend from Madrid this Summer. Personally I think the only (realisitic) player we should be looking at from Madrid is Coentrao and if Rooney goes then yes, maybe Ozil.

1.) 23 Aug 2013
Andy Rooney not in same class as Ozil but your not sure there is a place for him at united. Moyes set up is 3 behind RVP. Ozil can play in any of the 3 positions behind RVP but I suppose you think young, valencia, nani, wellbeck, zaha, kagawa are all better than ozil. Come on fella open your eyes

2.) 23 Aug 2013
You hit the nail on the head in the first paragraph, Madrid will play with a:

Ronaldo -- Isco -- Bale

. Behind a striker. Ancelotti I don't think will rotate that much, given that they also want Suarez then that could be even another place that is taken. Ozil or Di Maria will be sold, we need to act fast to get Di Maria.

The other thing is that its a World Cup year and Ozil has intense competition in the German team so he will need regular games. This may force him to leave.

3.) 23 Aug 2013
Can we guarantee ozil a place in are tean quote if the century is quality a lot better than kagawa and kagawa would benefit from ozil playing the same still as dortman 3 in behind the St

4.) 23 Aug 2013
I think it's naive to think that Ozil wouldn't get guaranteed game time with us. Even if Rooney stays, signing Ozil would certainly mean we won't get Ronaldo so with Rooney staying we'd play Ozil - Rooney - Kagawa. Surely that'd be first choice? The other options are Nani, Valencia, Zaha, Welbeck and Young. I would sell Young if we signed Ozil, were it up to me.

5.) 23 Aug 2013
Moyes likes to have width, and its also something that United have been known for all through out the Fergie years. so I can't see us moving to a Chelsea style of having 3 AM's behind the striker. Kagawa and Ozil are CAMs, and it appears that's where Rooney's future lies. Would I like to see Kagawa, Rooney and Ozil behind RVP? Yes I would, and I think most people on here would like that. But where is our width? While our full backs are good, both of them have some drawbacks when it comes to relying on them for the offensive width (positioning for both Evra and Rafael and tracking back for Evra).

One of the eds said in an above reply that the German team is built around Ozil, and I agree to an extent. For Ozil to work at United, the team and formation would need to be largely based around the 3 behind the striker, i.e we would need another LB, a DM and perhaps even a box to box midfielder. Coentrao, Fellaini and Cabaye spring to mind here. Can we do all that in what? 11 days? Highly unlikely. Especially considering Ozil would cost around 35 million, Fellaini 20-25 million, Cabaye 15 million and Coentrao about 17 million.

People need to realize it's not about just bringing in players because of their stats on Fifa. It's about whether the player is right for the team, and this season I don't think Ozil is. I think Di Maria and Coentrao certainly are however. We're transitioning, throwing money at big names won't get us number 21.

And also Ken, we don't know what Moyes ''set up'' is. In his games so far he's played 4-4-2, 4-4-1-1, 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1. So perhaps you should open your eyes and take them off fantasy football?

6.) 23 Aug 2013
Above post was mine sorry, hadn't logged in! I just worry about Kagawa, to get the best from him (and dear God, when he's at his best he's sublime) he NEEDS to be the central attacking midfielder. He's wasted on the left and just cutting in. he needs that freedom to spray passes left, right and forward.

In an ideal world, we'd play similar to how Mardid lined up a week or two back (can't remember the exact game). It was a midfield 3, but more like a 4-2-1-3. Khedira and Modric as the two and Isco as the one. I see Kagawa as being our Isco. However this would still mean signing an energetic and creative CM, a left/right sided attacker and an LB. The front three of Nani, RVP and Zaha showed promise but can we rely on that all season? Nope! Kagawa behind Welbeck, RVP and Di Maria would be pretty good IMO. What would people feel about a double swoop for Di Maria and Coentrao? Surely 40 million would get them both?