05 Dec 2013 15:45:03
Watching last night was just painful.
I have been spoilt by our success over the year and I just can't take this.
but in hindsight maybe losing to Everton was the kick to rear that he needed


1.) 05 Dec 2013
How many losses and draws will it take to finally realize the team isn't good enough.


2.) 05 Dec 2013
The team is not good enough to win the league but will finish ahead of many clubs currently sitting above us including the guys we lost to last night.


3.) 05 Dec 2013
@jk - pre season should have been enuf me thinks

@shahram - agreed but we've known this for quite a while now. It was Saf who got us through the previous years.
In a nut shell, negligence has gotten us where we are now. And even though i'm usually a "the glass is half full" kind of a person, I fear for our future


4.) 06 Dec 2013
I spend a day with big sam, Harry Redknap and Stevie Bruce as our guest recently and we talked about a host of stuff football related (Moyes, players, Mourinho, City, Mancini, Levy, Rooney etc etc)and believe it or not more business related stuff not related to football. They were not surprised one bit when Fergie retired and a all reckoned this squad flatters to deceive and needs rebuilding and SAF knew that and did not want to go through another major rebuilding due to personal reasons. They also think Rooney will leave and as far back as 2010 his camp had lined up a mega deal with City even before he came out with the transfer request and he is looking for mega money and will only stay if we come up with the money. The deal was masked behind the whole ambition statement and that is what was never forgiven by SAF according to them.

One thing that was quite interesting is that they are very friendly with each other and had their families on the boat and it felt like a managers fraternity. Bruce had some great stories about Fergie and players stuff that goes on behind the scenes, including one about himself when Fergie through a pen at him when he had brought up leaving United to be a player manager at some club and Fergie told him you will f…ng go when I tell you to go and now F.O. which made me laugh.

Giggs and Carrick were also suppose to join but did not make it as Giggs was hungover after a typical boys night that had started with brunch and turned out to be a 13 hours LOL and Carrick decided to skip it given we had a couple of agents on the boat.

The stuff some guys are saying about Moyes is just pure frustration about our current team and looking for a scape goat. Funny I was complaining about our team last year and getting grief for it but expected this after our summer transfer dealings but prefer to see things for what they are rather than it's moyes fault.

The players are very average with the exception of Jones, Rafael, Vidic, RVP, Rooney, Carrick, Smalling, Evans and DDG. Then we have a second group of players like Kagawa, Janusaj, Hernandez, Fellaini who are hit and miss type players and not producing enough top performances on a consistent basis.

The rest are honestly not championship or cl winning type material and unless we get quite a few of our key players playing at exceptional levels we will struggle.

Last year RVP, Rafael, Carrick were exceptional and carried us with Vidic, ferdiannd and Evra also turning up with lot's of very good performances. This year it is only rooney, who is in top form and we have constant injuries to key players and have rarely fielded our best 11 and it is struggle.

We also have a tendency to overrate our players and underrate other teams. Is rafael better than Zabaleta or Rooney better than Suarez or Aguero?if I am honest I would take Suarez/aguero and Zabaletta.

Having said all this, this team still has the ability to go on a run of winning a lot of games, if we can get our best 11 on the pitch so all is not doom and gloom. It will not be champaign football but more workmanlike stuff as we do not have the personnel yet. We need To Buy Players and ship out quite a few in the next 3 or 4 windows and there is immediate fix.