22 Jan 2014 06:47:06
We have players like Cleverly, Young, Valencia, Nani(sadly), Buttner, fellaini, who are not of Manchester United standards and are average on their best and People here want to sell Rooney. I mean the player who gives us hope and great chances when when we are in desperate need of goals in our games. Hats Off
What is wrong if he earns extra wages. He deserves it. and the thing about his dedication to our club.
Last time he asked SAF to sign some good midfielders. some one that could lift the team to higher level. He even requested him to sign Ozil. But SAF rudely rejected his thoughts and said it's non of his business. Much like us he probably has a heart and it definitely hurt him.
Don't we want the same? so what's wrong if Wazza asked for addition. it was certainly because he loved the club and wanted it to improve
And about last year? He was dropped out of important games for god's sake. Okay he wasn't physically a player like before but he still had quality. and look how better he is now. Squeezing every drop of goodness from other average players in the squad during game time.
If he gives his best at field he deserves extra wages.
it would be great to see Mata playing for us but I would not in million years sell Rooney.
Most goals :Rooney
Most assists:Rooney
Most chances created:Rooney
Most goals from set pieces:Rooney
but fans be here like "Oh no! Rooney slows our game and makes it boring. we want more fluidity in our team so sell him and play kagawa. He is better "
HATS OFF

1.) 22 Jan 2014
Rooney and rvp are our best 2 players by a distance .
Now this might seem like a mad idea but what if we never sold one of these 2 but bought some players as good as them, to play alongside them .

2.) 22 Jan 2014
"SAF rudely rejected his thoughts" :)

That Fergie one was such a nasty, mean old bully.

3.) 22 Jan 2014
Amen.

4.) 22 Jan 2014
Fantastic post, most sense I've seen on here for a while, I would much rather play rooney up top with kagawa, mata and januzaj to support him with carrick holdng the midfield, if we can get contrao him and Rafael can provide width, but ido think we need another cb to partner jones eventually

5.) 22 Jan 2014
Got to agree with Jred, why sell any of your best players? Unless Rooney is pushing for a move away, why sell?

{Ed004's Note - Because he has shown disrespect to fans and club, I worry about his professionalism, he restricts the style of play we can play, and he could fund a move for an up and coming replacement such as Marco Reus. However, I understand the argument that other areas should be addressed first such as 2 midfielders and a lb and Cb. If we got Mata, Vidal, Coentrao now in summer with Rooney leaving all we need are cb, cm and winger which the sales of Rooney, Nani, Young will go a long way to funding. I think Moyes will thin down the squad and use likes of Lingard, Kagawa, Powell, Valencia, fellaini etc as cover and look to have a more consistent team week in week out}

6.) 22 Jan 2014
With my old friend Stevie keeping a close watch ;-), I won't get into the Rooney vs SAF debate. But I will never understand how people can prefer Kagawa over Rooney in the United team. Truth be told, Kagawa has done next to nothing in his 18 months here, not saying he is not a good player, but just not fit for us. Even last season, when some posters were goig gaga over Shinji, Rooney easily outshined him with both goals and assists. This season, it isent even a contest. Irony is, Kagawa has had his better performances when he has linked up with Rooney.

I agree with Jred, why sell either of our best players? Do we have to sell to generate the funds? I find it rather precious that people think Persie can miraculously overcome all his niggling problems, yet Rooney who has had a fitness record that's 100 times better than Perise will fall apart. If I had to take a call, I will not even think of selling either of them. I think we should learn our lessons from our current plight!

Deeps.

7.) 22 Jan 2014
Deeps
It's been the same people saying the same thing for 18 month especially ed004.
If Rooney plays well sell him.
If Rooney plays bad sell him
If United play well sell him
If United play bad sell him.

8.) 22 Jan 2014
Jred, while I respect ed 004's opinion, I certainly think the stick that's used to beat Rooney up seems not applicable for others. So what if Vidic's agent comes out in the open to say "My client will not sign an extension", imagine if it was Judas Stretford, Rooney would get sent to the wolves by now. Paddy comes out and says "This is my last season with United", people react to it with moist eyes and best wishes. The list goes on and on and on. That is where my problem lies. But then, each one to its own! It is a broken record as it is.

Deeps.

9.) 22 Jan 2014
004, I would have only sold Rooney if he continued his lackluster ways of last season, but he has proved that when he pulls his finger out he is still a top player. We currently have around 10 players that will leave in the summer or earlier, Rooney shouldn't be one of them unless he wants to leave. Whilst building a new team it would be better to retain Rooney and if he wanted to leave in the future then we will be able to sell him and buy a similar replacement. We cannot risk selling our best players without having replacements already signed. Look what happened when we sold Ronaldo.

{Ed004's Note - That's why I have stated I'd ony sell Rooney if we signed Mata this window and Reus/Draxler in the summer. However, I'm not sure Moyes would play a front 4 of Mata, Rooney, Januzaj behind RVP and does it lack a bit of pace?}

10.) 22 Jan 2014
@Aakrozz . Are you for real? Dedication to the club, he asked to leave twice within a 3 year period . "much like us he probably has a heart" what?
He was dropped for the Madrid game & Welbeck came in and scored, what's your point? He let himself go physically for the whole of last season .
He is supposed to give his best on the pitch that is what he's paid to do .
Here's a question for you . Would you rather have Fergie back at Utd with no Rooney or Moyes at Utd with Rooney? I think I know what way you'll answer given your "Rude" reference to Fergie . I think Rooney is a great Player but in Januzaj we already have a replacement there . Rooney cannot handle being the top player at the club he needs someone else to take the heat off him . Ronaldo & Van Persie have done that for him . Don't be fooled by Rooney's form . Would Bryan Robson have acted the way Rooney did? He was in the top 3 midfielders in Europe but never requested a transfer because he loved Utd, I don't think Rooney loves Utd .

11.) 22 Jan 2014
004, if MU are planning to sell Rooney in the summer, then I would hope that we will be buying Mata & Reus/whoever in this window. I wouldn't want to leave any potential transfer to chance.

{Ed004's Note - No as long as Reus is signed before Rooney leaves in the summer then it'd be fine IMO. Snap up Reus maybe even Gundogan before World Cup and sell Rooney after it hoping he performs well and his value increases a bit}

12.) 22 Jan 2014
Deeps, to be fair Rooney has hurt many MU fans, quite a large percentage in fact with his past ways. Personally I couldn't care less about all of that as a top player from a top club deserves that sort of wage. The reason I questioned Rooney's place in the side was purely down to footballing reasons. Since his ankle injury in 2010 he has never reached that level again and after last season's dross I seriously thought we were witnessing the end of Rooney before our very eyes. That being said he started this season better and if he can stay this fit (fingers crossed), then he may have a couple more years at the top. We have seen the best of him no doubt, but he is still a top player and I would rather have him in the team, than not. If he does want to leave then fairwell to him, but we need to get the replacements in first, we must learn from the Ronaldo error.

13.) 22 Jan 2014
Ed 04 how does Rooney restrict our play simple he does not this is were you start to look foolish he is a very versatile player and would fit in any system in any team

{Ed004's Note - This season the two games I enjoyed most were when Shinji moved behind the striker. At Leverkusen Rooney played as the main striker and at Swansea second half Welbeck played ahead of Kagawa. Now I personally feel our football is more entertaining to watch when we have a quick player, with an excellent first touch and very good short passing working behind the striker. Personally I think Mata would do a better job behind RVP than Rooney and I since RVP is better than Rooney I'd sacrifice him. Suppose look at it like this. Rooney is like the drunk man at the table. He dominates the discussion and makes it look like its a good table full of discussion, however, you remove the drunk from the table and others join in and therefore it's a more balanced table. I'm not saying go out and sell Rooney immediately without a replace. I just feel signing Mata and someone like Reus/Draxler at the cost of selling Rooney would improve our style of play IMO. Reus replaces Rooney's goals and free kicks, while Mata replaces his creative style. We may also begin to see the best out of Kagawa. So that's near enough 3 new signings}

14.) 22 Jan 2014
Ed
United have looked awful with out Rooney so I don't get this he restricts our play.
Kagawa has been awful really during his time a United .
But people still shout to have him in the team a head of our best player.
I don't think Mata brings anymore to the table than Rooney I also don't think Mata is a full number 10 he plays a lot of his football out wide.
I don't believe the Mata rumours but if we sign him it will be as lw imo

15.) 22 Jan 2014
004, there are many I would sell before Rooney.

Nani - Anderson - Hernandez - Fabio - Young - Amos - Kiko - Bebe

Then leaving will be:

Evra - Ferdinand - Giggs - Vidic

IMHO there is too many outgoings to justify selling one of our best players. Surely we could sell the players above and the wages and fees we get back will be able to give Rooney a new deal and pay for the likes of Mata/Vidal/Coentrao etc etc.

16.) 22 Jan 2014
So sell Rooney for 20 ( age last year of contract )
Buy Mata 40?
Not sure Mata would bring much more to the game than Rooney.
Then buy reus for for 35.
Then what about cm, cb, lb,
20 + for a good cb 45 ish for Vidal 15 ish for a lb.
Are we playing fantasy football

17.) 22 Jan 2014
Dougal Maguire

okay! you are right. We should sell rooney. that is probably the best thing to do right now. it will probably move our team at forward direction.

Shut the crap out! M not here to listen your crap. Has he shown not good quality at the pitch? Surround him with great players and you will see how good he is. He has been playing with average players for so many season and yet has scored so many goals. he realized his body was not to the level so he has improved his fitness level now. so what's your point? Playing welbeck made him score does that mean rooney wouldn't have scored if he was played? what's your point? At his first transfer request he questioned the aim of the club. was that wrong?. We were not simply investing in the weakest area? All fans were crying for good midfielders. the one to replace keane and scholesy? weren't u one of them? so what's your point?
If your mom gets rude at u for some time . does it mean u don't want her.
So how can u judge my view towards SAF. I would want both SAF and Rooney as I am not an person like u to choose between two of our own club's precious people. so what's your point. Rooney has again improved his physique because he knows about it from last season so why the heck are you scratching some dry wound.
Januzaj is very very young and needs good guidance like that of Rooney, Rvp to mature to world class level. so by burdening a young 18 year old with so much pressure what the hell u are out for? I would never sell Rooney, RVP, januzaj, or any of our best players. I would rather sell all those average players earning many quids without any real influence in our team. Shut up mate. live your life

18.) 22 Jan 2014
How would our team/squad look without the players above and with a CB, LB, LW & CM? Possibly and this is only an example:

___________DDG
Rafa___Garay___Jones___Coen______A.Vidal___Fellaini___Adnan_____Rooney_____Mata________Van Persie

Lindegaard - Smalling - Evans - Cleverley - Carrick - Valencia - Kagawa - Welbeck.

Is that not okay? Just an example, but my point that we need four positions strengthened and the team would look so different. Then if Rooney wanted to leave or RvP needed replacing, we could go out and replace them. We would have youth pushing, players like Keane twins, Pearson, Wilson, Perreira, Powell etc etc. Like I said it's just an example.

{Ed004's Note - Looks better than what we currently have though stop putting formations in or Ed 2 will have kittens when he logs in. Btw for people 4231}

19.) 22 Jan 2014
Ed 004
It seems u are only watching attacking display. In kagawa I see the attacking characteristic but not all round performance. If u watch and allround football Wazza is way ahead of Kagawa. He drops toward the backline and still manages to run to the oppositions box whenever ball is forward. He help CM's to retain the ball, wingers to cross and many other things. does Kagawa is capable of that. Whenever I watch football. all round performance is what I like not a one dimensional play. It's not that I don't like kagawa but comparing kagawa with Wazza is simply killing me

{Ed004's Note - Kagawa is not as good as Rooney though I feel if Mata is signed he could replace Rooney}

20.) 22 Jan 2014
Syd

I completely agree with your post. Yes, he has hurt a lot of fans. But I also agree with looking at it objectively like you do. A top player earning top WAGES, a part of his livelihood, an Evertonian at heart. I will not expect him to love the club like a SBC or Robson. Does that take away his importance or contribution. That is a resounding no for me. If I had to give examples (i am in the mood for it), during their stints at our club players like Berbatov, Nani, Vidic, Evra, Keane, Ferdinand (in recent times) have either haggled for more cash, used others to get a better contract or stayed put only because of SAF. I don't see people spout half the rubbish in their cases, but then Rooney gets singled out. This is where my problem lies, double standards. And if the likes of Kagawa etc show 50% the desire or heart that Rooney shows, we would be in a much better position. Rooney as a pantomime villain always gathers more attention than anything else.

Deeps.

21.) 22 Jan 2014
Ed, I will not post anymore formations, but sometimes posters need to look at it to see that we are not too far away from having a decent side, even if big players are leaving in the summer. No team can have a match-day 18 of world-class players, every team has their ordinary players, problem is they are currently occupying our first team. We have a great youth set-up, a deep squad to deal with departures, but we need quality to improve our first XI.

22.) 22 Jan 2014
Deeps, I think sometimes Rooney is singled out because the media have said he is earning £250k a week. If it was £120k a week we wouldn't see many posts at all regarding Rooney. I also think last season he was so poor and people always expect more of him as he has always been so influential. From a big earner you should get your money's worth and last season he didn't put in the effort. Whatever his motivation has been this season is great as we are seeing a fitter and better Rooney. I just hope it isn't for a better contract or to get a move as Rooney should be playing at 100% always, barring injury of course.

23.) 22 Jan 2014
Aakrozz

I respect the fact you would wosh rooney to stay. However I have to take exception to you sayin he's the type of person we need guiding the likes of januzaj. just take a second and there will probably be a hundred reasons as to why that wouldn't be a good thing come flooding in to your head.
And i'm sorry but your saying rooney realised he was out of shape last year? Is he not surrounded by fitness coaches like all the other players at united. Did he not realise he was a good few pounds heavier? Or the fact that he just coyldnt seem to run anymore. I don't think it took wayne time to realise anything. It was a case of couldn't be arsed and that along with him sayin he wanted out is why a lot of people feel like fine sod ya, let's get 2 or 3 younger hungrier players in for the wages utd pay him that would give there right arm to be at a club like ours. That been said I for one am happy he's got his act together this year and thankfull for his efforts. But still there hasn't been a single word from the player that he wants to be here since it was said he was after leaving again.

24.) 22 Jan 2014
@Aakrozz . I am finding it hard to follow your post but I think I get the gist of what you are trying to say . Basically anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion is wrong . Rooney tried to embarass the club in October 2010 into giving him a new contract . He gave the excuse that the calibre of player at the club was not good enough and also would want to know the identity of prospective new players coming in . Firstly football is a team game and he had no right to question his Team mates and their ability, secondly he doesn't need to know or have any input on players coming in he is not the manager . In saying that neither of the excuses he gave were true, his agent is entitled to 22% of all of Rooney's earnings and had been informed by his former associate Brian Marwood ( City chief exec at the time ) that City were interested . Stretford who had just come back from an 18month ban for misleading a jury in a case centred around rooney . So this was to be his first payday in nearly 2 years . Ultimately the issue was resolved, then in Feb 2013 he wants to leave again . Doesn't have the balls to hand in a written request . So don't be fooled ( as I have previously said) by his recent good form because for the 18mths or so previous he has been very patchy yet you seem to believe he should be rewarded for "getting back in shape " and "trying a little harder " . Open your eyes, the lad has no class . I never said he was a bad player in fact if you look back I have said he's a great player . So I'll beg to differ with you on this, I don't want to see him go but if he was going to stay a deal would have been signed already . We should be concentrating and supporting the players that really want to be at the club and at the moment it looks like Rooney does not want to be there . There is too much baggage with him . Robson, Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Neville these players had class, had loyalty rooney doesn't . You know its true

25.) 22 Jan 2014
I think Aakrozz is my new favourite poster. His posts are hysterical :)

Reminds me of the dad in East is East - you ba£tard b1tch! You bring shame on the family! :)

26.) 22 Jan 2014
Domi B

We have very few players in our squad that Januzaj can take lessons from. We have Giggs, vida, evra like the only experienced one if u bring out all sorts of thing
RVP left arsenal. the club who made him the player he is today. for winning trophies. People often call him traitor. not an option?
Rooney : what? handed transfer request? so not an option?
so whom? carrick maybe? but certainly not cleverly, young, valencia, buttner, fabio, nani. so whom should he get guidance to.?

I agree rooney should have realised his mistake earlier but though he was quite fat last season but still he offered a lot more than we think. Being a striker he was more like the distributer of the ball along with carrick. This year he is doing it alone in Carrick's absence.
My point is why we criticize someone because of their mistakes from past. He certainly hasn't spoke about staying with us but also has never spoke about wanting to leave. has he? so why only look negative aspects. He is the one who's contribution has led us to 7th positon. otherwise we could have been at bottom of top half

Judge him by how he is now

27.) 22 Jan 2014
Steviek, I agree and think he should be encouraged. Just a hunch but I don't think we've seen the best of him yet :)

28.) 22 Jan 2014
Dougal Maguire!

Every players wants a new improved contract so has rooney. I mean if he has done almost every job asked to him and also has given more than he should then why doesn't he deserve to get a better contract. Pay him better, he will certainly play better because he deserves better. If he doesn't possess the right to question his team mates. u don't have too. I mean don't ever complain about clevs, young, valencia, evra, buttner whenever they play like rubbish.
I don't have inside information as I am not connected with too many people inside but I do know that though Rooney has never said he wants to stay . he hasn't spoke that he wants to leave either. has he? about the 2010 incident. I too was furious at him but when he apologized to everyone and proved his apology in the pitch I forgived him. and that's what u should do. forgive your best players. Best players deserve better wages and to compete in this modern football, huge club like ours need to pay better to each and every best players we have got. Money is not everything but it something that can't be ignored.
When RVN left Rooney was there
When Ronaldo left Rooney was there
When Tevez left Rooney was there
When Berbatov left Rooney was there. It's like we have great players joining in and going out and Rooney is sticking with us and yet we are criticizing him. If u want to sell someone . then sell those average players rather than selling our classy ones. and about keeping the players who really want to play with us. Young surely wants to play with us, so does cleverly . so why not keep them. In this modern football my fren, dedication is shown on field not inside the club. I have seen that in Rooney and as long as I hear that he wants to leave just from himself. I will keep supporting him and every United players who have greatly influenced the team