07 Jan 2016 22:26:01
A question for the eds please, do you have any information on how our rebuild is based on, just in the context of keeping van gaal and not gambling on trying to go for pep, isit just as simple as they think lvg is the right one to rebuild, I'm just a little confused with all the goings on atm any input would be much obliged thank you.

{Ed002's Note - Sorry - the question needs to be clearer.}


1.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 08:46:58
I think Big poppa is trying to ask how sure is the club about the current plan? And what are the chances of them deciding to reshuffle and bring in a new manager and new plan to rebuild.


2.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 10:39:17
I'm not sure how anyone but a United board memeber could possibly answer that.

Atm they are sticking to the original plan, they may well he working on some kind of plan B. But very few people would be aware of that or what that was.

As for the odds of them sticking or twisting, well your best going to a betting site if you want odds.

And the time frame is even more impossible to work out without detailed inside knowledge. On top of that 10 weeks ago there seemed to be not even a glimmer of doubt, so things can change quickly.

We will know what is happening a boardroom level when they annonuce something, and not before.

And ask yourself this, what would knowing bring you? You can't change the mind of the people who run the club and will have very little to no influence on what happens at that level within our club.

Its like knowing that the world will end tomorrow at 3pm. You can't stop it, and it will only bring you upset and torment until it happens. Sometimes your better off not knowing.


3.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 11:16:01
Shaps I was sure you were on the board lol 😜.


4.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 11:31:22
Angelred, reread my last paragraph. Then think on it. Lol.


5.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 12:09:46
Haha noted shappy lol.


6.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 12:14:58
Shappy you say "And ask yourself this, what would knowing bring you? You can't change the mind of the people who run the club and will have very little to no influence on what happens at that level within our club. "

However Ed002 has frequently been critical of the "veggie" fans that are seemingly having a major effect on the big decisions being made at the club with their quest to have LVG ousted. Apparently fan pressure counts for something whether they are so called "good" or "bad" fans.


7.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 14:02:31
I agree with shappy. I said in a post yesterday. People that have had their homes flooded or that have terminally ill children or relatives should be worried football fans should not worry about what goes on at the club. Yes maybe have a concern but don't worry is not good for you Honestly.
You have no control not do you have any idea of what's going on behind the scenes, and I would say most of us are not qualified or experienced enough to do the jobs that lvg and Woodward do so as ed would say a lot of the time most of us on here are coming from a position of complete ignorance. In any other walk of life you ( that's all of us nobody in particular) would be laughed at and dismissed as an empty vessel making much noise. I'm sure you could all to a better job than the David Cameron too. Or the head of tesco or the head of the bank of England. I'd say walk a mile in their shoes these jobs are not easy and it's always easy to be hyper critical when looking in from the outside.


8.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 18:53:04
Beast, one fan has no power. But when a stadium full start chanting or fans start to switch off and not watch the club then obviously something will have to be done.

Thats the same in every walk of life, one person has very little influence but when everyone joins together then there is weight behind them. Its why we have unions and why mass protest has an effect.

The problem comes when the people who club together to force change have very little undetstanding of what is going on and the realities their changes will have.

Fans not being happy with the manager is fine, but fans forcing a change everytime they are unhappy or they think the grass maybe greener will only lead to the club having no stability, rudderless and listing in every direction. No club can have sustained success if run in this way. In fact it would likely end with the club folding.

We have to accept that while we have an opinion and are entitled to have one, that we may and probably don't know what is best for our club going forward. Therefore we probably shouldn't try forcing our opinions and forcing change on our club.

Many Arsenal fans have wanted Wenger gone for many years, its currently been 11 years since their last title. But look where the club are now? If they kept chopping and changing every time the fans wanted a new manager then there is every chance that the club would be stuck in midtable by now.

As fans our job is to support the club and not run it.


9.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 19:36:40
If arsenal had of gotten rid of wenger years ago, Arsenal would not be near the top 4 let alone challenging. In my opinion he performed nothing short of miracles at that club.


10.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 19:37:07
Great post shappy best common sense post I've read on here for some time.


11.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 19:43:21
Sorry for confusing people and eds, I'm not worried at all just a fan with a question, just baffels me how if we had the chance no saying we do but if we did how would that effect the plan, and my main question is without trying to confuse everyone is what is the plan do we have any ideas why a certain manager is the one for this plan when all he seems to be doing is stiring up conflict and poor results, I know people blame di Maria for leaving I for 1 but would it of been the case under Ferguson?


12.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 22:15:27
I don't want to get into a disagreement but I feel I don't agree, there's all this talk about how good wengers been? Why top four is the best it's been, they've won naff all in 11 years, they look a decent side atm but nothing I'd get too overwhelmed with, if this is there best in a poor league then I'd like to say there not good enough when all the other sides are at there best, how on earth could you predict were they would be without wenger, Chelsea n city have had no end of change an both won the league whilst Arsenal won nothing, I get the point but bigging up the gunners when they have a decent season makes no sense, can we not say the same for Leicester as they seem the best in the league to me.


13.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 22:44:54
Big poppa, it's impossible to say what they would have won if he wad gone. However he had kept the club very competitive on a very tight buffet while they built a super new stadium and the club is note ina fantastic financial position. Attracting some top players and playing nice stuff. He had been an unbelievable manager for that club and steered them through very choppy waters with style. He had turned ordinary players into great players and is not only a legend at arsenal but he is an epl legend. I have a great deal of respect for him as a coach, manager and as a person. Yes he can be grumpy and a bad loser but he seems to have good ethics and morals there are not many people that could have done the job he has at arsenal imo.


14.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 23:06:52
Yes I agree Ken with some of that but does that make him great, David moyes at Everton did a good consistent job with them, he left now for me Everton look a better side they haven't won anything but are they expected to like Arsenal are, footballs all about being the best fans want titles along with good football, there's no point playing like Barcelona if your not getting the profits, I'd take a title in anyway or form.


15.) 09 Jan 2016
09 Jan 2016 00:25:27
Imo he is a great and without him arsenal would not be where they are today. Everton may look a better side but they are not achieving the final position in the table that they were under DM so the fact is they are not a better side. RM will never finish 4th under RM imo
Also moyes had to sell his best player every year RM had had the luxury of keeping his do far but I don't think that will last too long.


16.) 09 Jan 2016
09 Jan 2016 08:36:51
Extolling the virtues of Wenger and stability? If we go 11 years without winning the league would you feel that was acceptable?

I see some feel that chopping and changing meant there was every chance Arsenal would be mid table. Actually chopping and changing didn't do Chelsea much harm when winning titles, so conversely there is every chance that by changing managers Arsenal would have won titles.

This idea that stability of manager is all important is a nice ideal, nice comfy slippers, but for me longevity must be earned by success and Wenger hasn't won the league for too long.

I don't understand why anyone would want that for United, stability for stability sake, titles are what matters and we had 26 years to understand that.


17.) 09 Jan 2016
09 Jan 2016 09:01:43
My word red man. I've read all the posts above and I don't see where anyone did they would want stability over success for United all this worry you go through is making you see things that are not there.
A bit like you keep saying it's the plan for giggs to follow lvg it just isn't true.

{Ed001's Note - it is the plan ken, that was the initial plan when LvG came in, was him to work his contract and mentor Giggs to take over. That was plan A. It was one of the reasons LvG was keen on the job, as it appealed to his vanity to teach his successor. Possibly so he could then try and claim the credit for future success too, like he has bizarrely done with Barca and Bayern.}


18.) 09 Jan 2016
09 Jan 2016 09:19:58
Ed002 has said otherwise on several ovations therein lies the confusion.

{Ed001's Note - he is getting different info from me, from different people. In that case I defer to his information, as it may simply be that Giggs had been led to believe that to keep him involved when he was considering heading out to take another job? I do know LvG is certainly of the belief he is mentoring Giggs to take over when his contract ends as well. They are not the ones taking the decisions though, so maybe they are being misled or it is just a plan they set in motion on the playing side, while the rest of the club works on something else? It is no wonder the club is not performing as it should, as it seems like the plan is unclear and different parts of the club are moving in opposite directions! This is exactly what went wrong at Liverpool, the playing side thought the plan was one thing, and worked towards. The board were working on a completely different plan and working towards that. It just ends up in a mess.}


19.) 09 Jan 2016
09 Jan 2016 09:34:34
No problem ed 001 it's confusing the hell outta me to be honest. I've asked ed002 to clarify if he can at all. I agree that if all are not on same hymn sheet then all hell breaks lose. Thanks for yours reply. PS thought that was a cracking match lady night. Obviously I was hoping x would hang on but I suppose there is no chance of klopp playing sane side on Sunday week😀😀 couple of decent performances on crap pitch all the same.

{Ed001's Note - he might not have much a choice mate! Though I would not be much more worried putting out that side than our full team to be honest. At least the youngsters got bodies into the box and looked to attack. Oh and Teixeira would look so much better on a decent pitch that allows him to use his skill. The worrying thing is that the 3 senior players were the weak links - Bogdan, Enrique and Benteke.

I will have to have a chat with Ed002 about myself as well, to clear it up. Though I know his information comes from boardroom level, which is why I am willing to accept my information is less likely to be correct. After all, how many companies tell their employee anything other than what they think will make them work harder? They know Giggs wants to be the manager, if you were them, would you not also lead him to believe he was in line to become it next? Very common tactic to pretend there is a promotion in the offing if you just do well for the next few months, only for someone to be brought in over your head when you have given everything for those few months.}


20.) 09 Jan 2016
09 Jan 2016 10:02:42
Ed001/ Ken

A few times last year I posted my concern about the clarity of the plan and recently Ed02 has expressed negativity about Woodward. I recall Ed02 did say Giggs wouldn't be the next manager and separately said he could lead us into obscurity (or similar word), yet Lvg has very clearly stated Giggs is to be the next manager, he must have been given that by someone and the club have not corrected his statement.

Good point you make it is a common tactic to pretend you have a chance at promotion to keep you performing when someone else is already in their mind. I hope the club have moved to plan B in the background mind you.

{Ed002's Note - I don't recall saying anything negative about Mr Woodward - could you please point me at that post. As I have previously explained, the club had a very clear plan in place that would take them to 2022. The toxic fans have other idea which will screw that up - as I have also explained.}


21.) 09 Jan 2016
09 Jan 2016 10:29:50
Apologies Ed002 I have misquoted you, it was Ed001 on 5th Jan who said "
{Ed001's Note - Woodward knows nothing about football, it is the kind of appointment that destroys football clubs. While he is in involved in the football side of the business, the club will struggle. }.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks.}


22.) 09 Jan 2016
09 Jan 2016 11:29:31
Red man see my post at the top of page I have a new suggestion as manager😀😀😀😀😀 bloody phone😁😁😁.


23.) 09 Jan 2016
09 Jan 2016 09:51:27
Oh I defo agree on that ed001. The carrot has obviously been dangled in front of giggs so to speak and I would imagine that if as a pair they had won the league and champions league and all before them then it might have been a serious option. But even then may not have been correct.
Thanks for your time mate. Btw have you set a date yet?
As you know I like to see your opinion so can I ask who you think United should go for if as ed002 has said ddg goes in the summer. I know you think Liverpool will also be in the market for that position. Although I Think You advocate giving Ward the lad on loan at Aberdeen a tilt. Ta.

{Ed001's Note - It was supposed to be 3rd of June, but money has meant we have put it back until next January, the 3rd again though. Hopefully won't have to put it back again!

If it was me, I would say United should consider Begovic or Timo Horn. Possibly Ron-Robert Zieler for a return, if not.}


24.) 09 Jan 2016
09 Jan 2016 13:47:43
Cheers ed. That will be a great start to 2017 for you all. Best of luck with it mate. And thank you for your time this morning. I'll have to check my typing spell check causing havoc. I tipped god for the next United manager. Think I frustrated 002 with it. Oops😀.