05 Mar 2017 09:55:23
Is anyone watching Sunday Supplement on sky?
They have a daily fail reporter who is a Liverpool fan and the other idiot who never has anything good to say about United.
Between the two of them, they are trying to tell us that Mings stamping on Zlatans head was not intentional.
In addition, all the papers have conveniently shown Zlatan elbowing Mings but forgot about Mings stamping on Zlatans head.
Now, both of these actions deserved red cards, but to say Mings was not intentional is ridiculous.
How can the papers be so biased. How can the daily mail have a reporter who is so obviously biased. What a load of utter dross.

{Ed001's Note - because no one can know whether Mings did it intentionally. Rooney's sitting up as he was jumping over him has made it impossible to tell. He certainly did not stamp, there is no increase in power to the front leg, so it was not a stamp. The question is whether he could have avoided landing on Zlatan and chose not to do so or if he was unable to avoid it and it was an accident. The fact you are talking about a stamp, shows that your bias is as bad as those you are slagging off. It was either an accident or a deliberate step, but far from a stamp. Only person who truly knows if it was deliberate is Mings.}

1.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 10:28:23
Zlatan's elbow could have been him 'protecting himself' as he claims. I don't think it was, but the only one who knows for sure is Zlatan.

{Ed001's Note - except you could clearly see he threw an elbow, it is only whether it is intended to injure that is of any debate.}

2.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 10:29:39
Gary Neville summed up the situation perfectly yesterday, Mings stamping was the act of a coward and was probably his way of repaying Ibra for being thrown to the ground earlier in the game and Ibra's attempt to kick him. Not condoning Zlatan's elbow but had Mings done that to me I would have chinned him, Mings knew exactly what he was doing.

{Ed001's Note - ah but conveniently no one is mentioning that fact that Zlatan also stamped on Mings' foot while waiting for a corner. There is a lot more to it and Zlatan is just as much of a coward if Mings is. As for Neville, he has shown what little he knows of the game in his time as 'Valencia's worst ever coach'.}

3.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 10:34:50
I have watched what Mings did, he looked at least once directly at where Zlatan was, he did not make any noticeable movement to avoid Zlatans head which he could easily have done. It was called a stamp but a stamp was what Gerrard did at Anfield to Herrera. The description doesn't matter, Mings act was disgraceful and deserves more than the three games Zlatan should get.

{Ed001's Note - he looked away just as Rooney got up and unbalanced him though, which is what makes things difficult. If Rooney had not got up, then it would have been clearly a deliberate act. As for being worse than Zlatan's act, that is questionable as well, but, if judged to be deliberate, then it is difficult to argue with whatever punishment he was to get.}

4.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 10:38:55
I'm sorry but he turns around having got up, looks at ibrahimovic on the ground, jumps and brings his foot down on his head. There is no effort from Mings to avoid the player on the ground. Whether you want to call it a stamp or not, the way his foot comes down is not a natural movement for a person trying to avoid someone that they know is on the floor. He cuts his jump short to ensure that he makes contact, for me. Maybe not a stamp but definitely an intentional contact by him, which with the weight of the big lump doesn't make it any less dangerous.

What ibrahimovic did after was a red card also, but wouldn't have been needed if the initial action had been seen and punished. The other player wouldn't have needed to be sent off either had this happened. So in the end 10 against 11 was the correct decision but the wrong player was sent off.

5.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 10:42:00
Also, had mings done that to Firmino I would be saying exactly the same thing.

6.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 10:46:01
Zlatan then throws himself to the ground to get a player sent off.

7.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 10:55:14
Sometimes team loyalty clouds our judgment. Neville might not have been Valencia's best ever coach but what has that got to do with the situation? Both players ought to get retrospective bans Ibra three games and Mings should get more for his "plain as the nose on your face" cowardly intentional stamp.

{Ed001's Note - which was clearly not a stamp, nor was it 'plain as the nose on your face'. You are only showing yourself up by continuing in this vein. Try calming down a bit and looking at it without those red tinted glasses on. As for Neville, it has as much to do with it as his opinion does, which is absolutely nothing, which was my point. You are letting team loyalty cloud your judgement. You do not know anything about Mings to know if it was intentional, but you have decided it was because it was one of your team on the receiving end. Only one person in the world knows if it was truly deliberate and that certainly isn't you.}

8.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 11:05:41
Gary Neville has eight Premier league titles and two Champions league titles to his name. He calls things as he sees them and is honest in his appraisal, I would take his view over anyone's that either posts or moderates on this site.

9.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 11:26:33
Ed01 are we saying that anyone who's failed in management has no knowledge on the game and no basis to make an opinion? Despite playing at the top of his trade, winning multiple medals domestically and in Europe? Neville talks a lot on sense most of the time. Yes only Mings will know if he intentionally came down on Zlatans head, but if I came down on someone's head I'd be looking to see at least if the fella was ok. He knew exactly what he was doing and got away with it. That's not rose tinted glasses, it's just obvious to anyone who watches it to be honest. Jred, I've seen nothing from you condemning the mings challenge, just a constant moan of Zlatan being pushed over. Are you bitter towards him because he's take the place of your hero?

{Ed001's Note - the game had continued and, not being funny, why should he care when Zlatan had thrown him over and stamped on his foot previous to the incident? As for Neville, I am not saying any such thing, just saying it is an opinion, nothing more and Neville has shown how little actual knowledge of the game he has when he didn't have a producer in his ear telling him what to say.....

Mings may well have done it on purpose, but you don't know that, and clearly you are assuming because it was against a United player. You do realise the basis of our law is innocent until PROVEN guilty right? Nothing is obvious, other than that Mings stumbled over Rooney and stood on Zlatan's head. Deliberate or otherwise is purely your opinion and that of anyone who makes a judgement based on the footage. Unfortunately none of us will ever know for sure, no matter what your bias may tell you, so I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, just like I am giving Zlatan the benefit of the doubt and believing he never intended to hurt Mings with his elbow.}

10.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 11:43:19
Georgie
If that's your honest view then why bother posting? Do you not have your own opinion or mind? Or is it neville said it so it must be true. quite frankly pathetic sorry 001 the tints are still on today.

11.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 11:43:19
Georgie
If that's your honest view then why bother posting? Do you not have your own opinion or mind? Or is it neville said it so it must be true. quite frankly pathetic sorry 001 the tints are still on today.

12.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 11:46:31
We all know that Mings knew exactly what he was doing. He looked at Zlatan and went for him. If it was any player on the ground, no matter which team they play for, I would have wanted the offender to be sent off. This is "dangerous play". Stamp or no stamp call it what you want, it is ridiculous for any player to do it and it is a sad blight on our press and the many who hate our club that they should ignore this.
If he had connected properly, we could be talking about a career ending injury. Or shall we just sit and accept it.
Ed001, I'm pretty fair in my judgement as it is in my nature, and that's why I also said that Zlatan should have been sent off for the elbow. If he gets a retrospective ban, then it will be the correct decision. But as Red Man said, Mings should not have been on the field. But Zlatan deserves the ban.

13.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 11:48:43
Depends on which shade of tints you're talking about and do not presume to apologise on anyone's behalf.

14.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 12:14:32
Ed001, clearly I am presuming because it is a United player? What basis have you made that opinion? It wouldn't of mattered if it was a united player or a Liverpool player, my opinion on the challenge would have been the same regardless. Nobody will convince me that Mings couldn't have brought his foot down anywhere other than on Zlatans head. As for Neville, I don't believe a PL, FA Cup and CL winning player has no knowledge of the game.

15.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 12:17:26
W16wes,

So you can't agree or share a view with a pundit then? What are you on about.

16.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 12:42:53
It was stump for anyone who has played the game. If you are trying to avoid that you actually will fold you legs or change your body to avoid him and go over the player and not come down on him. He even looked down and knew exactly what he was doing.

The press in the UK hate us and we are at fault for allowing nothing teams like bournemouth even become a subject of all the papers.

The players need to get their rubbish together and put these teams away. They got hammered at West Brom the week before.

It was dirty and he should get a 6 or 7 game ban Imo. A dirty mug who could have seriously injured Zlatan.

17.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 13:04:08
Bournemouth's penalty came about from a piece of invention and quick interplay from their forwards that quite frankly seems beyond us. There was a moment in the match yesterday when we had a two on one with only the keeper to beat and somehow Rooney managed to put the ball beyond Zlatan on what otherwise should have been a tap in. In truth most of the teams in the league are more clinical than Utd are and my hair is falling out wondering why lesser players find it easier than ours to hit the target.

18.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 13:42:38
imo, neville knows a thing or two about football. Valencia was a very bad choice.

19.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 17:14:18
It was deliberate, it is was accidental, any normal human being would either stop straight away indicate what happened, or go to Zlatan and apologise during the next stoppage or have a look on the face with guilt, he didn't do any of those three, also he looked twice towards Zlatan when on the ground

Tbh Zlatan was guilty too, he was getting his own back on him, both deserve to get lengthy suspensions.

20.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 17:14:18
It was deliberate, it is was accidental, any normal human being would either stop straight away indicate what happened, or go to Zlatan and apologise during the next stoppage or have a look on the face with guilt, he didn't do any of those three, also he looked twice towards Zlatan when on the ground

Tbh Zlatan was guilty too, he was getting his own back on him, both deserve to get lengthy suspensions.

21.) 05 Mar 2017
05 Mar 2017 18:02:23
I think the main reason that everyone wants to think Mingus is accidental is because it's horrific for the sport if it's deliberate. Personally we all know where are feet are going especially if we are concentrating and footballers do it for a living it's not like he stood on a moss covered boulder. Any self respecting human would have done everything in his power to avoid ibra ahead. The fact he thought he was stamped on 5 secs just adds to the guilty verdict.