25 Nov 2017 23:16:04
Is there any chance that jose trying to pushi miki out to make room for a new signing in Jan? I know its one for the conspiracy page but stranger things have happened?

1.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 07:38:18
Definitely what I think is happening. Did the same with Shaw.

Much easier to shift on a player that believes he doesn't have a future at the club if he is being hammered by his manager in the public domain. Already I read many of our fans backing Jose over his accurate comments about Miki, but in doing so they are facilitating a grander scheme.

'Support the players' is often the mantra of the same fans that are now backing Jose's public assassination of a player everyone was praising 6 weeks ago, in fairness they are probably not realising they are facilitating the removal of a player from the club. I advocate a manager talking truth, what I don't advocate is double standards, especially if there is more to it than simple performance evaluation and this is also for financial reasons!

2.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 08:07:55
Miki’s performances are pushing Miki out.

3.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 09:03:37
Miki has had 3-4-5 bad games on the spin according to the manager, how many bad games has Lukaku, Pogba, Zlatan had on the spin during their time at the club?

I personally don't think Miki is good enough or suited to Mourinho's way of football. I also don't think Lukaku is nor Mata.

People will explain away everyone's bad performance including the manager (how many poor performances do we have a season as a team, is that good enough? ) Everyone is entitled to their favourites, but double standards are a joke. 6 weeks ago everyone was thinking Miki had finally found his feet and he was going to set the league on fire, within that time he has been written off completely just because the manager has a pop and he has been ineffectual like most of our players in recent years! One good game seems to count for 5 bad games for some crazy reason.

Red Man - How many poor games did Lindelof have? Or is it different for him? Maybe if Jose played to a creative attackers strength with multiple attackers moving at pace around him we would see a better Miki, I also think we would see a much better Lukaku as well in that scenario, but that doesn't change the fact that neither are good enough in my mind. But if Jose says it then everyone has to jump on board, I thought we supported everyone at the club, not just our fly-by-night manager who speaks in tongues half the time!

How about helping support Miki through this difficult period, or do we need the Maestro's approval for that? Furthermore since when is an attacking creative midfielder judged on how good they defend or how hard they work, only in ultra defensive teams that's when?

4.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 09:11:01
Maybe, just maybe, and I realise this is a radical thought, but perhaps it is up to the Manager to get the best out of the players.

5.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 09:14:05
Ridiculous concept tony.

6.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 09:31:48
Beast

“Everyone” as you describe was not thinking Miki was going to set the league on fire 6 weeks ago, but keep thinking that if it suits your own view, so that you can be right about Miki and our manager. Ignore that I said on here/ live chat that Miki wasn’t playing well at the beginning of the season when some said he was. He redeemed himself with assists, then more recently he just hasn’t played well and the assists disappeared. More than once it was like playing with 10 men.

Yet again you express a jaundiced anti Jose view. Miki hasn’t been written off “just because the manager has a pop”. He hasn’t been written off, the reality is that he played so poorly he deserved to be dropped. Not playing well can happen, form comes and goes, but I watched Miki not trying in games and that is not acceptable. I don’t need the “Maestro” as you sarcastically call him, approval. The manager is right on this for me.

You wrote Lindelof off, spend hours writing bile about the manager, then have the nerve to say “I thought we supported everyone at the club”. Unbelievable! Oh and who was man of the match yesterday?

7.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 09:48:33
Ashley Young was my MOTM, I'm guessing it was Lindelof (officially), despite being all over the place first half whenever Brighton attacked and getting beat in the air by Murray every time. I was being sarcastic about support on here, people need to be held to account, you just defended Lindelof to the hilt last week yet are ready to throw Miki under the bus, just so happens at the same time the manager says it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as I have also not been convinced by Jose, (not that you will be bothered about my benefit of the doubt of course) .

Miki has been a poor signing, like so many. However the manager is bias with his criticism, people will explain it by saying that's what the player needs!

Where's Shaw?

I know playing poorly can happen, many of our players do nothing for weeks but still get picked because of their name. Just like under LVG who had his favourites (Rooney being the obvious one) . I'm calling a spade a spade. How much English media does Miki read/ watch, is Mourinho a physiologist in between studying Chess Moves for Dummies?

It amuses me how your justification changes because the all knowing overlords that are football managers and people like Ed Woodward say so. They get a hell of a lot wrong as well, Miki is being preapred for a sale in my eyes, that was the original question Ken posed and I think that is the case. We will see, no doubt I will be proven right again and then people like yourself will offer no credit and simply say "it was obvious Miki wasn't up to it and was being moved on"!

In no way should Lindelof have gotten MOTM - again because he was been hammered any half decent performance (against Murray) is now lauded as the next Vidic!

8.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 10:16:29
Jose criticises different players in different ways. He has criticised certain players in public and they have turned around and delivered, good man management. Maybe Jose believes certain players respond better to certain types of criticism.

Who would have thought, a manager treating different players different ways to illicit a response.

For instance when I played football, we were lucky to have a great coach, if I had a bad game he knew the best way to have a go at me was to say it in the dressing room. I'd be angry, upset and want to go out next game and prove him wrong, public criticism was best for me. But my pal John wasn't like that so our coach would put the arm round or take him to one side and have a word. Different ways of handling players, that's what man management is all about.

I mean Fergie never did things differently with certain players 🤔🤔.

9.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 10:22:06
Sorry Ken, to answer the question I think Jose is playing both sides. 1) he critices miki, gets a great response, looks like a genius 2)he criticises miki and miki continues to be poor and then is sold. Either way he gets it right.

10.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 10:33:33
Is that the only way to get the best out of him?

11.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 10:37:53
Beast

You seem to deal in absolutes and unable to understand or recognise straightforward points. As an example I did not defend Lindelof to “the hilt”, but said he needed more time rather than immediately jump on his case as you did. Who is lauding him as the next Vidic, certainly not me. Do I think the manager is doing great, no, but he is doing better than the last two and will leave us in a better position than they did.

Is Miki being prepared for sale, quite possibly, but this season should have seen improvement but hasn’t so maybe, like Kagawa, it wasn’t a good fit in England, maybe he doesn’t play well under pressure, who other than the manager knows. Maybe until a player is under that pressure it is hard to judge fully, I trust our manager with vast experience to know. If Miki goes, he goes, players come and go, if they don’t do it on the pitch that’s what happens.

Really, my “justification changes” because someone else says so? You, the all knowing Beast, will “no doubt be proven right again” and receive “no credit”? Cracking stuff.

12.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 10:39:59
Of course Jred it worked wonder with Shaw!

13.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 10:44:41
I'd say Jose is best placed to judge that jred. Worked the last time.

14.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 11:35:03
Doesn't work with everyone beast. Definitely worked with miki last time, Jose obvs feels he needs another kick and this is best way to do it.

Shaw has had praise, criticism, arm around the shoulder and still hasn't been able to buck up his ideas. Says more about the player really.

15.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 11:41:27
Beast, a couple of weeks ago you were slating Mourinho for not dropping Mkhitaryan. You said Mourinho has his favourites and he won’t drop them or say a bad word about them even when they are playing poorly.

Now Mourinho has done exactly what you wanted him to do only a couple of weeks ago. However, now you accuse Mourinho of bad management of demoralising players. Yet oddly still spout that he won’t do that with his “favourites” conveniently forgetting that you included Mkhitaryan in his “favourites” only two weeks ago when you wanted Mkhitaryan dropped for what you perceived as a lack of impact on the team.

What can Mourinho do for you to praise him, as even when he does exactly what you want him to you slate him for it. Just come out and say it, you don’t like Mourinho and because of that you will perceive everything he does as wrong, regardless of whether that is what you want.

16.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 11:53:24
Worng Shappy - I have not said anything of the sort. I have criticised Miki that is accurate and he deserves a slating.

Jose is showing double standards, that is my gripe. Miki is an easy target, never did it to Zlatan, Pogba or Lukaku, why not? Anything to do with the fact that they would snap back?

I welcome a manager being open and honest, I agree wholeheartedly with Jose, *read my posts, I just don't agree with the double standards.

Those defending him are stating it's because Miki is the type of player that needs a public humiliation, I'd love to see that evidence other than the fact Jose has decided to publicly call him out?

To be clear I want Jose to drop and call out players that aren't performing, but I don't want it to be one rule for those that he can walk all over rather than those with huge PR machines behind them. He is being a bully in my opinion.

17.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 11:53:28
Shaw failure is not Mourinho fault. LVG criticised him, recently Pochetino. Heeds to pull himself or waste is career and talent.

Mickhi always has been hot and cold, he is not good enough as most of us thought.

18.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 11:58:45
Ken - Dortmund are keen to have him back. And Jose has been told that he needs to move players on before we are able to bring more in. Therefore do I think it's possible Jose wants to swap Özil and Miki/ Mata? Sure. Does he wanna swap Shaw and Rose? Sure.

19.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 12:02:12
Salah and De Bruyne look pretty good right now!

20.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 12:09:10
Shaw has been criticised by every manager he has had at club and country level. He’s lazy, has a poor diet and doesn’t look after himself and clearly doesn’t want to be here to be a professional footballer at a top club.

21.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 12:12:59
Its normal, players fail to Deriver at certain club, moves on, and looks better, Continho struggled at Inter, look at him now.

Ed002 have stated numerous time, Mourinho was not the reason for De bruyne to leave chelsea.

Salah failed to settle at Chelsea, its happening to almost every club.

22.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 12:16:59
Why do it in the press?

If you want a player out speak to the player or his agent, if he needs an arm round the shoulder a rollicking etc etc why do it in the press when you work with the bloke day in day out .

Truth is is it a storm in a tea cup being blown out of context . Yep

For some Jose can do no wrong for others he can do no right truth is in the middle.
But it's funny reading it.

23.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 12:19:55
De Bruyne has said several times Jose was the reason give an interview only last week .

What's the big deal either way?
Has Jose never made a mistake?

24.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 12:46:05
Does it publicly because he clearly feels that is a tactic that works. How do you know he hasn't given him a rollicking privately or put the arm around the shoulder. Maybe He is resorting to this because other tactics haven't worked. It worked last time for miki, why not again?

25.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 12:49:33
Does always Mourinho mistakes? Players are responsible too.

Mourinho is no angel doesn't the player too.

26.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 13:07:34
Angle
Or he just answered a question and some fans want to blow everything up into a big deal.
It's why a lot of managers players never speak to the press or give an honest answer.

I'm sure Miki is far more concerned about what goes on behind the scenes on a day to day basis, meetings evaluation tactic talks etc .
I'm also sure he will know if he is playing well or not and why .

Kenedy
Everyone makes mistakes even Jose they sometimes get things right as well.

27.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 13:21:11
You don't think Jose did that on purpose? He is usually quite calculated when it comes to criticising player. He's not stupid, he knows exactly how an answer will be perceived by fans and press.

If he didn't want that he would have answered the question differently. Don't be so naive.

28.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 13:22:53
I think that is a bit frustrated for me, the fact that there is always a question about some player who is not playing or in the best of his form.


No questions about Martial, no questions about Chris Smalling, it’s always about players in a certain moment, match, period who didn’t play or was not my option. The story is always the thing, in some positions where you don’t have injuries, you don’t have options, and always the same players are playing, in the midfield it was the same a bit.


No Carrick, Pogba, Fellaini and every match was Herrera and Matic and the kid McTominay had his opportunities to play. In this moment, we have Pogba, Fellaini, Matic, McTominay, next week I can imagine you will ask why is this player not playing.


I decided to play Rashford and Martial together, the question for many weeks why don’t they play together now it’s why isn’t Mkhitaryan playing. The answer is very simple, until the international board change the rules I can only play 11."
Jose first response to why Miki was left out . Doesn't make as good a headline .
But it will be someone else in a week or 2.

29.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 14:03:11
Jose lies in the press. Which is why Ed002 says don't listen to what he says. He is always playing games or deflecting.

"I decided to play Rashford and Martial together, the question for many weeks why don’t they play together now it’s why isn’t Mkhitaryan playing. The answer is very simple, until the international board change the rules I can only play 11."

A week later he says this when pushed:

"I wasn't happy with his (Mkhitaryan) last performances. I’m not speaking about one or two, I’m speaking about three, four or five. He started the season very well and after that, step by step he was disappearing. ”

Mourinho wants the press and other parties to hear what he wants them to hear.

30.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 14:09:21
Jred - People are in their right to criticise a player on a football site if they feel the player warrants it. It's someone else's opinion. I'm not sure why it bothers you so much. It's not like everyone was wrong about Mikhitaryan. Jose himself has confirmed what we have all been saying. He's a good player, but he's been struggling. If Beast wants to criticise Lindelof and others want to criticise Lukaku, then it's their choice. You don't have to agree with them. Just disagree and move on. Agree to disagree. But when we say Mikhitaryan is struggling and he should be taken out of the line-up, then you criticise us for saying so and then Jose does just that. You have to just admit that our assessment was correct.

31.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 15:51:03
Syd
Jose lies in the press. Which is why Ed002 says don't listen to what he says.

Which is the first line of your top post .
Which happens to then be about what Jose has said in the press conference?


It doesn't bother me that much nobody criticises more than beast but I think he prob one of the best poster on the site .

I'm not sure which of my post is critising anyone to be honest . Just pointing out that it's no big deal, papers ask a certain question to get an aswear that they want .
They then take a part of that and make a head line because it sells .

In a couple of week it will be someone else.

32.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 15:56:31
Good post syd.

33.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 20:55:08
Thanks guys. Im not sure myself but it is a possibility I suppose.
For example if he thinks he could move miki on for the same price as getting ozil in then he might want that. i've no idea really. Although i have to say I would prefer to see one of the positions addressed where we are weak so lb rw but i suppose its a case of who is available.

34.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 20:58:09
Bang on syd.

35.) 26 Nov 2017
26 Nov 2017 21:09:40
If Jose wanted rid of Miki would he not just tell the player and his agent?