16 Feb 2018 19:57:00
I will be amazed if pogba doesn't turn out to be a top class cm player .
And make some people on here look very very silly .

All this he can't play cm etc will imo loom very daft in the years to come.

1.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 20:10:18
Yet 3 or 4 posts down you are asking is he good enough. Usual jred just looking for a row double standards to the fore as usual. Lol hilarious. Any psychiatrist looking for schizophrenia case studys should follow your posts.

2.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 20:17:02
Without wishing to sound like jred's lawyer, I refer you to part of his post in the thread below that I've just read:

"Some big questions being asked off him at the moment and rightly so for a player of his ability .
I think he will answer them in time and prove a lot of people wrong"

Case closed, m'lud.

3.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 20:20:09
Not at all Ken I have argued for a week now he has all the talent to be a top class cm . All this he can't play cm he can only play left he needs to play next to prilo is ridiculous.
Show me a post where I have said he isn't good enough?

4.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 20:37:39
I agree he has all the talents to be a top class player. I’m just fed up of waiting for him to step up and deliver.

5.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 20:41:05
Ajh
I with you ajh would make a massive difference .
25 next month, time to put to bed all this could be talk and start doing it.

6.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 20:42:30
Jrec show me where i said you did. Read it properly. I said a few posts down you asked the question and made the folliwing statement

Holding midfielder? What about like Jose says a rampaging box to box?  

Maybe he just isn't good enough?

Then a few posts later at the top of this thread you say anyone questioning him will look foolish. Comical. Just as well your not a lawyer ajh you would be useless m'lud.

7.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 20:44:50
Sorry ajh i meant noucamp. most police look at all the evidence before confirming case closed but as we know there are coppers everywhere that take shortcuts mlud.

8.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 20:47:57
Its sarcastic Ken .
Like I have said over and over again he is easily good enough to play cm all this he can't play cm is ridiculous and stupid .
Read down the page we both know even you can work that out .

9.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 21:15:11
Sarcasm often doesn't come across In writing jred. I didn't pick it up.
You have a lot less tolerance for pogba than you do lots of others who are not stepping up. But that's The nature of fans everyone has their favourites. You question pogba all the time but never martial or valencia or shaw or smalling you accept their average displays weekly and don't question them then make excuses for fellaini or the likes. You just pick your targets and then jump on everyone else when they pick on their targets
Those who think pogba won't be a top midfielder probably will look foolish but not as foolish as the folk that thought rooney would be englands and United's midfield lynch pin.

10.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 21:25:31
Jred, your sitting on the fence, when I read your first post on this thread, I thought the very thing Ken said. Jred I'm not right in the head but my man your in the same boat as me. Lol.

11.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 21:52:22
Go on then Jred I'll bite and stick my neck out. I don't think Pogba will be a success at Man Utd.

He's got the talent but I don't think he has enough of a footballing brain or enough mettle.

No doubt we will see some great moments from him and he will have the odd really good game.

However, my definition of success for him is consistantly dominating midfield whether in a two, three or on his own against all teams big and small and especially on the big occasions.

12.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 21:52:35
Ken
Pogba has the potential to be doing far better and at 25 should be .
People like yourself keep saying he can't do this he can't play there .
I disagree and have said so all week.

Martial has just turned 22 and will be imo a great player .
Valencia is playing to his potential.

Fellaini I can see what he brings to a team and understand why Jose would like him .
You wanted Shaw sold I thought and still think we should keep him .
You wanted martial sold and thought he would never be a top player . I think we should keep him will be a great player
Rooney? Lol sums up where your coming from .

1Some can't see past the potential talent the lad has .  
He could be 1 off the top 5 in the world

2Some big questions being asked off him at the moment and rightly so for a player of his ability .  
I think he will answer them in time and prove a lot of people wrong .

3Pogba didn't play well let's stop with the excuses and this ridiculous idea he can only play in a 3 .

4 we bought pogba because he has the ability to be the complete player .  

5 Ken I'm trying to point out this ridiculous "pogba can only play left cm " mentality .  
Sound like something one of the kids would say in our u10 team.


Thats just the last hour or so .

Is he playing great now? No
Can he be world class? I've said all week he Is easily good enough to be one of the best in the world .

While you say he is not good enough to play cm, I've argued he has everything to be a top class cm .
You don't think he has got it, fair enough . But as per I think he will prove u wrong.

13.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 21:59:27
Your either drunk or stupid maybe both. I've said all week he is top class. But don't expect him to do what he was doing at juve becaise he is playing in a different position. He can play anywhere but will play at his best in a system that sits him best. Lukaku could play on the wing but will be more effective as a striker.

14.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 22:00:45
Mancman
I agree about the part that he should be dominating cm .
I honestly think he has the talent it's the desire that is the question because the talent is there.
KDB is the best player in the league but it's the work rate and nous along side the talent that make him stand out .
That's pogba next step, I don't think you get to where he has got with out that .
Time to kick on imo only time will tell but I think and hope he proves a few wrong starting this weekend .

15.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 22:28:27
Ken
Neither drunk (Not yet) or stupid Ken.
As I keep saying and have done all week got everything to be a great cm .
You and many others keep saying it's the system position that's rubbish imo .
Played awful in a 3 last week been average in a 2 but has everything to be a top cm .
Just not playing well at the moment I'm sure he will prove yourself and many others wrong .

United will never set up with the same tactics or formation, which is far less important than tactics as juventus .

But pogba will still show what he is capable of .
By the way I don't want him to do what he was doing at juventus this is United and the epl and it's a different story and chapter. The lad can and should do better as he gets older and improve on what he did at juve .

16.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 22:47:11
It's all about context. If you read a poster's posts on a certain subject ie. Pogba - and actually read them all, rather than just seeing the poster's name and arguing the other way, you can see he's consistently said Pogba has the potential to be a great midfielder. It's easier then to spot the one sarcastic post, because it's at odds with everything else that's been said. I honestly didn't find it that difficult, but then I'm not trying to start a fight with my arch-nemesis :)

His main gripe appears to be that people are making excuses for him, especially the positional argument, rather then just admit that he's been quite underwhelming at times, and maybe that lies in his lack of desire/ application.

Anyway, jred's big enough and ugly enough to stick up for himself, so over and out.

17.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 22:58:19
Pogba needs to step up and say to himself, I'm going to lead this team on the pitch, I'm going to run myself and the other players around me in to a winning mentality.
The only thing is he hasn't got the balls or the desire or the winni g mentality to do this, now pogba I hope I'm wrong but it's time you showed us mate.

18.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 23:18:38
Jred, I really hope he proves me wrong. As it is, the best thing would be if Jose can at least set up to get the most out of him.

19.) 16 Feb 2018
16 Feb 2018 23:20:16
99
On the money .
Leahy
That's the big question . I would like to see him cut the dancing etc out and roy kean someone .
Won't be popular this but S Gerrard was a proper box to box player . Lampard was a very good player, once pogba works out and applies that kind of application he will be special.

He really has everything.

20.) 17 Feb 2018
17 Feb 2018 00:46:48
He has it in him. He is a cm always has been but where he plays its not all about 1 player its about the patnership or trio in the middle having attributes and attitudes that compliment each other. At the moment the blend is not right.
We have lost the midfield battle in most of the top 6 sides and also against many below the top 6. So that tells you the blend is not right.

He can and will improve on lots of aspects of his game but he like all middields the blend needs to be right in order to see the best attributes of each to shine through.


I understand people saying he should be running games etc but he is not that sort of player at this point. He can become one. Scholes wasnt running games at 24 or 25. Pogba not only has to mature as a person but as a player too. But if jose gets the mix right i'd love to see a kroos/ veratti / jorghino alongside him and matic dictating the match tempo which pogbas not grest at that's the dream midfield for me.
Failing that a kante type in seri / vidal / to get about the midfield getting in peoples faces with matic doing the stuff pogbas not great at.

Pogba is more of a free soirit in mid field who can and will still be required to defend and work hard but with the right trio we won't be exposed every time he is caught out going forward like we are now. When madrid wete in their pomp over last 3 or 4 years in cl modric rightly got lots of plaudits but without kroos and casimero there he might have looked poor.
Its a team game. Our blend is not right.
Ex wingers as full backs.
Lukaku up top but no crosses or wingers to feed him his pregerred service.
A no 10 mata playing wide right.
Jessie apparantly moved into cm.
Ever changing cb's

So the blend is not right. You could argue that the blend should be right given the money spent but the fact is the blend is not right yet. We are and have become a cup team. i'm not surprised if we beat anybody even the best of teams but i'm not surprised if we lose or draw against the poorest of teams. A lot of the players we have can do it on occasion but can't do it consistently. To win cups occasionally is enough if its on the right day.

21.) 17 Feb 2018
17 Feb 2018 06:16:45
I love the debates, not sure why anyone has to start throwing insults around though, it’s usually the sign of a weak argument.

22.) 17 Feb 2018
17 Feb 2018 10:46:19
If we sign jorginho I don't see where matic fits in and I think we really need a jorginho type .
Wingers as full back seem to be the next fad but truth is Tony has again done little wrong young has played well and Shaw is pushing for a start .
At a time when there isn't that many good full backs about .
When Mata plays he doesn't play as a winger and now we have Sanchez I think his game time will be limited .

Ken
I agree we still don't loom quite right but as has been said all season a lot of that is down to the manager.
Still in the cups and second in the league which suggest we are consistent.
And let many would agree still not playing to our potential, so plenty more to come from this squad .

23.) 17 Feb 2018
17 Feb 2018 11:08:24
Bit like you do to ronnie. ajh bully boy.

24.) 17 Feb 2018
17 Feb 2018 12:01:39
This squad will lose 6 or 7 players this summer then wet will have a proper squad.

25.) 17 Feb 2018
17 Feb 2018 12:03:06
I see a less game time for martial not mata. But we will wait and see. Who else is using wingers as full backs in this new fad.

26.) 17 Feb 2018
17 Feb 2018 12:24:23
Ken
New fad on the site .
Although the like of alves r Carlos where wingers.
Lots and lots of full backs started of as wingers or attacks but simply were not good enough to play further forward .
Cole alaba evra walker alba of the top of my head .
With less emphasis on defending and more on attacking we are and imo will continue to see it more and more .

But judging a player on the position he played in the past instead of what he does on the pitch at present is a bit daft .
Bit like judging a player on what he had won instead of how he plays.

27.) 17 Feb 2018
17 Feb 2018 12:47:39
Im judging them on what they deliver weekly jred.
You may be jappy with some players contributions and deem them to be good enough but under 3 managers over 5 years they have not been close to a title challenge and finished 4th at best 6th twice 5th once and this season will be hopefully 2nd.
5 years with no title challenge is not good enough. We are improving as better players join that's what i would expect but until we get 4 or 5 new players and release 6 or 7 we will not mount a title challenge.
Its not knee jerk reaction its 3 4 or 5 seasons the players have produced terrible league campaigns.

28.) 17 Feb 2018
17 Feb 2018 13:21:54
The squad has continued to change over the years .
The likes of pogba have won nothing in a United shirt .
Jones smalling young Tony all have .

But again what a stupid way to judge s player .
This squad is nothing like moyes? Again just a stupid comment .

You just give silly opinion after silly opinion.
Never back them up or argue your point just move on to the next opinion .

29.) 17 Feb 2018
17 Feb 2018 13:29:46
This squad is a new squad for this season what happened 3,4,5 years ago with different managers players is immaterial.
It's like judging Kane on what he has won .
This season this squad is 2nd in the league and in the cups and that's what is important .
The rest is plain stupid.

30.) 17 Feb 2018
17 Feb 2018 13:44:54
*won nothing league wise *.

31.) 17 Feb 2018
17 Feb 2018 14:26:33
Its probs not worth people falling out over what is Paul pogbas best position . I find people form an opinion on the formation selected based on the players selected. Say pogba matic and Mata are picked then people think 4231 as Mata will be more advanced and support the striker more whilst being given defensive duties but if the midfield is say matic, pogba and Herrera people will say it's 433 even if say pogba is tasked with playing in advance of the other 2 and expected to get in the box and support the striker whilst having defensive duties . The player in advance of the 2 sitting seems to make up people's minds on the formation if it's a number 10 type then people say 4231 if more of an alrounder 433. City use 2 kdb and Silva in advance of the sitting player to join front 3 in a press . Liverpool may not allocate one player from the 3 to be more advanced and rotate the roll amongst the midfield.
I think you have to decide would pogba do better than Jesse or Mata as the advanced midfielder .

32.) 17 Feb 2018
17 Feb 2018 14:27:11
Nearly half the squad was there with moyes.

33.) 17 Feb 2018
17 Feb 2018 15:06:09
Just the title winners.

34.) 17 Feb 2018
17 Feb 2018 15:13:53
We have signed 19 players since moyes plus linders rash and mctom.
That season under moyes has nothing to do with this squad . it's just rubbish.
Rasford was 15 at the time of moyes, but your going on about these players not winning a title?
Why stop at moyes tho why not go back 1 more season when some of these players won a title?
After all that's how u judge a player .