22 Feb 2018 11:00:24
United last won the CL in 2008 Ronaldo Rooney and co . What an attacking team that was .

We played 13 games in the CL that year.
Drew 4
And scored more than 1 goal in only 4 games.

1.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 11:23:58
I don't think that says a great deal to be honest.
It was a different time, I seem to remember there being far more great defenders back then. I struggle to name 5 genuinely world class defenders nowadays. Certainly when you compare the defenders back then to the best of today you are left thinking that we don't have many great ones now.

When you think David Luiz regularly makes lists of the top ten best centre backs in the world you have to realise there aren't many good defenders.

2.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 11:31:13
Shaps
Lol yer that must be the reason .
But every game was amazing Ronaldo tevez and co it was goals goals goals . 9 games out of 13 we scored 1 or less goals .

3.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 11:41:20
Sevilla have conceded more goals in the UCL this season than any other team still in the competition.
They have conceded more goals than they have scored in La Liga so far this season giving them a negative goal difference.
They have averaged 13 shots a game in the UCL before last nights game where they managed 29 which has brought their average shots up to 16.

They were not a team that deserved the kind of respect we showed last night.

4.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 11:51:03
We had a much better defence back then jred. That team could have ‘parked the bus’ and won games. We are relying on a shocking defence to save us nowadays. Statistics can often be misleading without context. There is so much talent in this squad and Jose is simply not playing to it’s strengths or getting the best out of it. We showed far too much respect to Sevilla last night whilst spurs when to Juve and went toe to toe with them and dominated them in their own back yard. The difference is one manager encourages his team to press and pressure the opposition, whilst another is happy to sit back, hold structure and invite pressure. Yesterday was unacceptable and I refuse to accept it was a good result.

5.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 12:04:19
Shappy you missed of " in my opinion"
On your post .
But that's moving off topic .

6.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 12:16:36
I said a long time ago there wasn’t any decent defenders anymore. Not one world class centre half anywhere. Fullbacks who can’t defend and couldn’t cross a t.

7.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 12:21:51
They aren't a great team jred, what will they win this season? Nothing, they might not even finish in the UCL places in La Liga, a league many consider a two team league.

Their best player Nzonzi wants to leave and spent most of January trying to move to either Arsenal or Everton apparently.

Are you saying that unless we played in the manner we did there was no other chance of us getting that result of better?

There was no need for us to play in the manner we did to get a result there.
People talk is if a 0-0 draw is a good result away from home. It's not. A score draw at Old Trafford and we are out.

It's probably better to lose 3-2 away and have two away goals than to not take a single away goal back home for the second leg.

A 0-0 result away from home is a massive gamble on the second leg. We have three games between now and then, there is every chance we could pick up one or two key injuries before we play Sevilla again. Then will the gamble of not trying to score an away goal seem like a clever move?

8.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 12:24:07
Park
A shocking defence that has kept 19 clean sheets .

9.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 12:28:26
That's Jose boys not pretty but it does work .
Again can't remember people moaning in 2008 when we had the dream team team of Ronaldo tevez Rooney.
And ground out a good few results in Europe.
Scholes lampard ferdy bang on the money last night imo .
Poor game to watch tho but I've seen that a lot over the years .

10.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 12:47:02
Shappy
No I haven't said that are a great team .
I haven't said that was the only way to play .

But to set up not to conced away from home in the last 16 of the CL isn't the worse tho g in the world .

Problem is people always thing they know better.

What has nzonzi got to do with anything when deciding what tactics to play? Eh

Fergy set up not to conced plenty of times .
Crap game to watch tho .

People patince are starting to wear thin with Jose.
Why because he is doing what he has always done?
Lot of people didn't want Jose at the club because of his brand of footy at previous clubs .
But that the Jose way surprised some have just realised.

11.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 12:48:22
But don't forget fergy never set up not to conced there where just better defenders back then .

12.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 12:50:35
Jred yes we have kept 19 clean sheets and how much is that down to us playing defensive insipid football? Like I said statistics are misleading. We may have the most clean sheets but I wouldn’t say man for man we have the best defence in the league. I would take spurs back 4 over ours. Statistically we may have been the best but I think a lot of that has been to how incredible De Gea has been.

13.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 13:11:58
The 19 clean sheets is a smoke screen, we have been sitting 2 midfielder in front of the back 4 and de gea has helped out a lot with that stat.
The team going forward is suffering.
Lvg didn't trust smalling, either does Jose, but smalling is still there.

14.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 13:20:36
Good points jred.

15.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 13:42:29
Here we go with the fergie did it defense, fergie never setup to achieve a draw for 90 mins in his 25+ years here, we always tried to win at some point in the game. I can show you 3 games in 1.5 seasons from mourinho where we did not cross the half way line for atleast 80+ mins in the game with a draw being the only goal, I am sure Fergie did this routinely.

16.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 14:13:47
And CSM i am sure Fergie won 20 CL titles in his 25 years in charge.

17.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 14:28:41
Worse h
Game of footy I ever saw live Monaco v United.
19 clean sheets is not my opinion it's a fact .
2nd in the league is not my opinion it's a fact .
Not great to watch is my opinion.

Juve have set up not to conced for the last 10 year . It happens.

People have rose tinted glasses they think Ronaldo and co just blew teams away game after game in Europe.
Just didn't happen.
But there where better defenders back then .

Crap game to watch no question.

18.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 14:47:45
Jred yes we have kept 19 clean sheets and how much is that down to us playing defensive insipid football?

Spurs have scored 1 more goal than us the scouse and city are the only other teams to score more goals than United in the league . Who are playing defensive inspid football .
It that an overreaction?
We have an awful back 4 . And yet have 19 clean sheets and the best defensive record in the league.
Is that an overreaction.

19.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 15:06:56
Jred, do you believe and be honest we will finish in the top 4.
I don't think we will but hope I'm wrong.

{Ed025's Note - 4th for me leahy..

20.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 17:39:47
Leahy 100% pal.

21.) 22 Feb 2018
22 Feb 2018 15:55:26
Fair enough ed. I think spurs will get in. I 5hink it's between us and Chelsea, big game next one could tell a lot.

{Ed025's Note - chelsea are in a similar situation for me leahy you both lose to teams you would expect to win against, in my view liverpool will get second then its a lottery for the last 2 places, the ones who stay in the remaining cup competitions the longest could well be the ones who miss out mate..