1.) 19 Mar 2018
19 Mar 2018 18:18:23
Cheshire not sure if you have posted before or post regularly but i would recommend posting more often because that was a very good read. Well balanced and thought out and has brought a nice fresh perspective so fair play mate.

I am only 23 so all i have known is the Sir Alex glory days. I am part of generation that has only known success. I grew up watching some amazing teams and not having anything really to compare it too. Sure my old man and grandfather would tell me and show me clips of greats such as Best, Charlton, Robson. But i never lived through or got to experience the pre glory days. So I really appreciate listening to posts from those who have lived through the times where United where not the brand they are today.

I will be the first to admit at times I can be very reactionary and impatient as for me United have always won. Second place is unacceptable and so the last 5 years have been a really hard watch for me. My old man and grandad, although unhappy with the current predicament, are much more objective and patient with the current process. They've have seen the rebuilds and understand that it does not happen over night.

Whilst I agree that the debacle under moyes and LVG has set us back years, I do think Jose really should be doing better with the squad at his disposal. The defence is poor but the attack is full of talented players. In this case, he should be playing to our strengths and that is what i think is frustrating the fans on here. I am prepared to give jose another year to really challenge for the title. He needs to remove the lazy, weak minded and soft players who do not have what it takes to wear the united shirt. Sometimes tough love is the best form of medicine and players like shaw have had their chances. Very talented but the guy cannot even keep in shape. However, next year their is no excuses.

I think the manager after jose will really reap the rewards of this squad. A jardim, tuchel or poch would be a very shrewd and exciting appointment to kick off the next stage of this post Fergie era/ nightmare (however you want to describe it) . I think things are not as bad as they seem but jose needs to respect the values and traditions of this club. I am just not sure he has or does.

2.) 19 Mar 2018
19 Mar 2018 18:42:01
Top class post cheshire red. I agree with all of that. The board need to remain strong and ignore the hyberbole nonsense emanating from tje press and the sheep who follow their sensationalism. Jose is marmite so will always have his detrators i was one when he managed chelsea. But he is our manager now and has full support. With him at tje helm just now the club could not be in better hands. He knows what he is doing imo.

3.) 19 Mar 2018
19 Mar 2018 19:05:22
Good read that. Jose knows what is needed he will get it right. 😆😆.

4.) 19 Mar 2018
19 Mar 2018 19:06:56
Agreed Cheshire he definitely needs time, as he doesn’t have inifinite resources at his disposal. I think if we look at Chelsea’s model of managerial employment we can see the lack of stability and that it only breeds short burst of success, whereas we desire a dynasty similar to that of SAF.

5.) 19 Mar 2018
19 Mar 2018 19:17:55
That's a brilliant post CheshireRed.

We must learn the lessons of the past, shown patience and understanding and maybe more than anything place our trust and faith in a proven winner.

6.) 19 Mar 2018
19 Mar 2018 19:22:50
People need to remember we are not going to get another fergy.

{Ed025's Note - no ones saying you are jred, but selling your soul to the devil is not a great idea either mate..

7.) 19 Mar 2018
19 Mar 2018 19:29:42
Devil's advocate which other top teams would.

Would Madrid Barcelona Munich .
Munich get a lot of plaudits for being a well run club they sacked ancelotti less that 18 months into the job after they got beat by PSG in the group stages . He had would the league the previous season.

8.) 19 Mar 2018
19 Mar 2018 19:33:42
Ed25
We are not going to get an other fergy or a manager that will build a fergy type dynasty like mentioned above .
I also think there is no comparison between the club fergy took over and the club Jose has .

{Ed025's Note - your right jred this is nothing like any side that SAF had anything to do with mate...unfortunately..

9.) 19 Mar 2018
19 Mar 2018 20:27:47
Good post Cheshire but I have to take issue with “it took SAF 7 years”. History is often rewritten but as someone who was going to every game I’d like to revisit your recollection. SAF took over in ‘86 and hauled us out of trouble that year. He then finished runners up the year after but realised there was something rotten that needed to be adddressed. We then had 2 dire seasons with some dodgy signings and the humiliation at Maine Rd. 1990 was the turning point and we started improving with the FA Cup win albeit the football was still patchy. We then won the Cup Wnners Cup in ‘91, the League Cup in ‘92 as well as finishing runners up in the League before finally selling the deal in ‘93. We played to win, with Wallace, then Sharpe, then Kanchelskis, then Giggs. It may have taken until ‘93 to win the League but it was a great ride from 1990 onwards. As you say SAF was a proven winner but I would argue he was still at the start of his career back then. Let’s also remember that after winning nothing in ‘95 some fans wanted him sacked, this after having done the double in ‘94 so fans were as fickle back then as they are now.

And so to Jose. It seems there are issues to address within the club and he is clearly tough enough to do that but to compare now to 1986 doesn’t wash for me. We were the archetypal sleeping giant back then whereas we are now a top team even if we do need some rebuilding. The main difference for me is that SAF was all about the team, Jose is all about Jose.

It boils down to this. Do you believe Jose is still a top coach who can build a team to challenge, or do you think he has lost his way and is behaving erratically? Do you believe we should be seeing more from the players we have or that they are paying to their maximum ability. Do you believe the constant public humiliation of a young player is justified, or bullying?

You pays your money, you makes your choice.

{Ed025's Note - fine post that AJH mate..

10.) 19 Mar 2018
19 Mar 2018 20:40:27
That’s a great post AJH. I think I have to side with the view that Jose is too erratic and has lost his way. Football has moved on and he doesn’t seem to understand or be willing to adapt and change with times. If that is the case then he might get another year but I don’t expect it to a joyous or successful one.

11.) 19 Mar 2018
19 Mar 2018 21:46:26
Very nice post Cheshire red. really enjoyed that. A bit of perspective. Again i'd also like to point to andy mittens most recent article where he also brings a lot of perspective.

We have to give this time and let Jose see this through. I do feel we will get there but there will be many splits, fights, opinions along the way.

12.) 19 Mar 2018
19 Mar 2018 21:59:14
Good post, Tony. Unfortunately José, with his unforgiveable press-conference, seems to have convinced some fans that we are indeed a small club who are lucky to have him, rather than the other way round.

13.) 20 Mar 2018
20 Mar 2018 00:53:07
Angel I’m a massive fan of Andy mitten he is one of my favourite journalists. Always puts things into perspective when emotions get the better of me.