Manchester United Banter Archive February 10 2013

10 Feb 2013 22:44:00
very insightful video on s*y sp**ts about "the class of 99". well worth a watch. It has got me thinking who would everyone prefer. the four of yorke, cole, ole, teddy or the current four of chicha, rooney, rvp, welbeck that we have today?

UnitedRUnited

Oh tough one, probably ole, rvp, Rooney, Yorke. But any permutation of the 8 would be great.
Knoxy

That is a tough one because I was a huge fan of Ole but I'm also a huge fan of Chicha. I'd go for the current bunch because RVP and Rooney are individually top players who can win a game on their own, whereas Yorke & Cole was more of a good partnership.

Gav

10 Feb 2013 21:53:22
Once again our tactics see us giving up possession and camping on the edge of area trying to catch teams on the break. I know Rooney is an Everton fan but bloody hell could he have given them the ball any more and what was that corner where all the players ran up in to their box and he took a short corner and just gave it to them. Cleverley as always was a reflection of the midfielder he was playing with. When he was playing with Jones who did a magnificent job man marking and he was explected to do the creative stuff he was invisible but when Carrick came on and started passing the ball Cleverley came more into the game. Vidic was faultless in his defensive display winning everything in the air. I just don't like the tactics. we held on against Southampton it backfired against Spurs and was backs to the wall today. I consider our most important signing in the summer will be to bring someone in with a little tactical know how. I AM KLOOT

Kloot,

Next match do you want me to do your post, save you coming on? Its the same every week. I knew it was you as soon as I starting reading the negative guff about Rooney. How about him playing out of position and not stopping running all game, making defensive headers? I thought he actually played well, but you wouldn't notice that.

The tactics were to score early and then hit them on the break with pace which we did really well. I didn't notice us camped on the edge of our area, maybe your vision was impaired whilst trying to count the amount of times Rooney passed the Everton?

12 points clear in the league, the tactics are clearly all wrong.

GDS

Rooney is the greatest team player there is in the Prem. No one runs more and plays harder than Rooney. He was not fit earlier in the year but now at 100%. Along with rvp performing as he has been it's now time to Rooney to pick up the slack. rvp can't score 2 every game let's be real. Now we need out midfield to take center stage and control the game with evans and jones out. Don't let our D have a chance to slip. If ddg has to swat balls away all game vs Madrid it will result in at least a goal or 2. Vidicon needs to be a beast in the middle al a 2 years ago and Rooney needs to motive and be a leader. Only heart and perseverance will get us through the 1st leg. Now that we are 12 points clear with 12 games left the CL is now a priority and SAF and RVP want that trophy
So to conclude a 2-1 victory at Madrid with Rooney getting both. Hello the Prem title and CL along the FA for the treble!

The best thing about united is that they can still surprise and do the unthinkable. MUFC for life

If we give Madrid the amount of possession we gave Everton, we will be in trouble

AJH

"Once again our tactics see us giving up possession and camping on the edge of area trying to catch teams on the break"

OR, you could say:

"Once again our tactics see us WINNING THE GAME"

I guess it depends whether you are a glass half empty or glass half full kind of a guy. Obviously we all know which type you are ;)

We were beating teams by outscoring them at the start of the season whereas now we have become more tight at the back but somewat less free flowing up front. At the end of the day 3 points is 3 points, so it's swings and roundaouts really.

And however bad we are - City are 12 points behind, out of Europe and have spent several hundred million in recent years.

So not sure what there is to moan about really!

Gav

10 Feb 2013 21:10:18
Seeing as Michu came from a small team in Spain, are there any other prospects in Spain that are relatively unknown?


Mather

No, absolutely none. That was the last one, and Swansea got him.
DodgyBanter

Dodgy,

That just made me laugh out loud. Brilliant.

GDS

What kind of question was that though? Maybe if we just nod and smile he'll move on.

DodgyBanter

10 Feb 2013 20:39:50
i know the match is over but what the team today as I coulndt see the match
Paddy The Irish Man

10 Feb 2013 19:07:00
Really professional performance today, delighted to be 12 clear - its almost wrapped up - but not quite. We can't afford to take our foot off of the gas. This really is a fantastic squad that we have. Rafael, RVP, Cleverly, Vidic & Carrick really are crucial to the current team.

Despite Valencia doing a good job of doubling up to cover Rafael, I do feel that the attack carries him. He is giving the ball away a lot, or trying to be Ronaldinho instead of running at the fullbacks. He works hard and tracks back - but I really think he has lost his way.

Personally in Madrid I would go with:

___________DDG
Rafael__Ferdy__Vidic__Evra
__Jones___Carrick___Clevs
__Young____RVP____Rooney

I think that could be our best 'away' line up against Madrid. Speed on the counter and solidity in midfield with plenty of cover for the full backs. Stick Jones around Ronaldo & Carrick cleans up in front of the back four.

Fresh!

Just evans in place of ferdianand
cause ferdy has lost his pace to some extent

I think i'd do the same team, however I think we'll start kagawa.
i believe we need a creative player in the team, and I feel he will be a key player vs madrid.


TRUMORS

TRUMORS, Kagawa didn't play today due to playing in Japan midweek, he wasn't rested for the RM game. I'd be surprised if Kagawa started.

Sydney!

I agree, I don't think that Kagawa will start, but I do think that he is more likely to start the home leg (obviously this depends on the score). And yes, I would rather have Evans, but Ferdinand will get the nod. Evans did very well for NI against Portugal (and Ronaldo) a couple of months back - so I would like to see him play. But I honestly think that's the team we will play.

Fresh!

Welbeck instead of young, Valencia instead of jones

Valencia will get rafael out of jail defensively, especially if they play ronaldo from the left, as expected.

Welbeck because he works hard for the team like Valencia, whilst also providing some dynamism and great movement going forward.

Evans for Ferdinand, as he is probably first choice centre half at the moment.

Philiphs93

10 Feb 2013 18:25:30
Does someone go through every post disagreeing intentionally? Some of the disagrees on here are baffling to say the least.

10 Feb 2013 18:15:27
hi guys, 12 points lead and city have some hard games left I think its over but I will wait until i'm 100% sure that no one can catch us, next game real madrid come on red army let's make it hard four real in spain and after that on oldtrafford ggmu zee;)

10 Feb 2013 17:49:54
Great to be 12 points clear but can someone explain what the point of Valencia is?.

Point of toni - to give Rafael a chance to get forward?

Mike

He's the bloke who made life very easy for Rafael.

Sydney!

It was tatical to help defend against Baines/ Pienaar.

Played relatively well today, compared to rest of this season. Maybe he's slowly waking up from his hibernation?

DodgyBanter

Valencia works for the team, it may not look pretty or flashy but he has a great understanding with Raphael. Lay off the lad

10 Feb 2013 16:49:32
A good first 45, Jones well and truly making life difficult for Fellaini. Praying he comes out next half.

Sydney!

10 Feb 2013 16:14:32
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Ryan Giggs, scorer in the league for the 23rd consecutive season. A record that will never be beaten.

AJH

Lol, someone disagrees

AJH

Either scouse trolls mate, or Utd 'fans' who came on here ranting and foaming at the mouth earlier in the season, claiming they didn't want to watch a Utd team with Giggs or Scholes in the team.

StevieK

10 Feb 2013 16:02:06
20 seconds, that's how long it took for them to mention something about DDG.

Cs93

10 Feb 2013 15:47:28
IMO jones is the key for us. the way he kept gareth bale quiet was simply awesome. a lot depends on him for our bid to win the treble. I hope he stays fit for the rest of the season

10 Feb 2013 15:09:41
Good line-up today lads. Good to see Jones man marking Fellaini.

Sydney!

Not bad. syd

would have preferred anderson in the middle with jones and clevs. and nani, ad rooney either side of rvp.

think that would have caused all sorts of issues for everton with both nani and rooney going wide and then coming back in, raf and evra overlaping and the 3 in the middle.

still good line up.

COME ON LADS.

Oxred

10 Feb 2013 16:58:55
Ox valencia is playing to help rafael against baines and pienaar, help he wouldn't get from Nani. I think we've gone cautious remembering last season. Soak them up and sucker them on the break.

10 Feb 2013 14:46:07
given citys loss yesterday, do you think SAF will change his line up slightly so to protect our more important players for madrid?

i just hope we don't have giggs and scholes in midfield as will just get over run, hopefully we play a similar system to that used at spurs or just have jones man mark fellani (if he plays that is)

10 Feb 2013 14:23:43
anyone know any sites to watch match on.

I always trust firstrowsports. eu
Reliable. Very.
SK.

Ronaldo7 net.

USAGoals is the best I have used so far.

Sydney!

Firstrow every time, It is absolute class for me.

10 Feb 2013 13:33:46
i hope big hair of everton has another blinder against you lot today. . .
ps, is anderson in the squad today, or is he even still at utd, did he go in the jan transfer window, I feel sorry for him, just when he was winning his weight/diet/kfc battle too, and breaking into the first team, after a short 6 year spell lol. . . lfc

You seem to come across as a ABU lfc.

if you was worried about liverpool you would want a united win so we take points off the other teams challenging for the europa league.

JK92

Lfc.
Hmmmm. I think I heard name somewhere. never mind its not important in football anymore.

First dig your way up with your next messi and next gerrard and all then slate a driving force in anderson.

Is charlie adam still there? your next alonso.
Rodio17

The funny thing is, Anderson is, even off form, better then any of the midfielder you lot bought for hundreds of millions since the Premier League was started, apart from Xabi, ok

Jonny8

10 Feb 2013 14:01:33
your getting worse and desperate. Anderson is better than your whole midfield.

So you oddly want Everton to win and make 4th spot even more impossible for you?

Sydney!

10 Feb 2013 14:15:31
a liverpool fan cheering on everton how pathetic. How the mighty have fallen. It might even be understandable if liverpool were in second place and challenging for the title. But your not your over twenty points away and looking over your shoulder at southampton. You can't even challenge spurs for fourth. You can't even challenge everton yet you want them to take points. The title challenge doesn't concern you, the battle for a european place doesn't concern you. You want to worry about getting beaten by west brom that's how far your sad little club has fallen.

10 Feb 2013 14:44:00
syd, I think you know that everton won't make 4th, no matter what todays 3-2 victory for them means. . .
ps, there's more chance of de gea still being at utd next season mate, than the blues making 4th, enough said. . . . lfc

Its ok, tomorrow after liverpool lose to the mighty west brom lfc will just go back into hiding again.
But if you do manage to scrape a win, just remember you will still be a minimum 23 points behind us

You'll Never Win Anything

dags

Couldn't agree more lfc, Everton will finish 6th ahead of you.

Sydney!

10 Feb 2013 15:52:11
dont forget people, not to cheer ronnie too much, when you meet real.
ps, anderson- the only man in the premership whose shoulder size is smaller than his waist size lol. lfc

10 Feb 2013 10:45:48
Anyone think Petrucci might break into the side like cleverly. Cleverly has only became an established player this season at the age of 23 and Petrucci is 21. I think he if didn't miss so long through injury Davide would be in our starting 11! Looks a real talent I like to watch Peterborough quite a bit and he was brilliant yesterday! Played like a real midfield general!

Caolán.

We may see Davide in the side by 23. Like TC he has had bad injuries which has slowed down his progression.

Sydney!

Would be nice to see if next year he can get a loan to a smaller prem team. it could be good for his progression towards making the squad in the next 2/3 years

Petrucci has more natural talent than Cleverley. When Davide was still at Roma he was the equivalent of Fischer, a world class talent. Cleverley is a solid and dependable player, but should Petrucci be given time and he works as hard as cleverley, he will go on to be the better player.

Mick

10 Feb 2013 14:07:49
we signed Petrucci at 16 he was not world class. Nor is he now. Come to think of it neither is Fischer talk about jumping the gun. Potential yes, could be world class but far too early to be chucking that over used term about. World class talent dear me.

I think in next season he will get his regular taste of epl on loan and if he manages to stat fit he will be in consideration. He has talent and natuarl techniqe no doubt.
If not he will be sold.
I expect fabio was on same situation this season but he has proved his worth at qpr so if he becomes regular lb next season I won't be surprise while people wait for new replacement.

Rodio17

Petrucci has struggled at Peterborough, he's had one decent game, why do people on here have such weird ideas about what constitutes world class? let's face it most people pulling out the world class label for our youth products are the same people slating Welbeck/Hernandez/Anderson/Cleverly. Trust me Petrucci is nowhere near our first team yet let alone world class.

Snakey

Why do people get so bent out of shape when someone uses the word world class. A worldclass talent is a young player who is one of the best in his age group, not a worldclass player yet.

Pogba is a world class talent, Kovacic is a worldclass talent, Powell is a worldclass talent, Halilovic is a world class TALENT which is different than worldclass player. Are youl starting to see a pattern?

When we bought Petrucci 4 years ago he was one of the best 17 yos in world football, in the same bracket as Rodwell ( who was a super talent at that time ), Wilshere ( who was still a youth player ) and the likes of Muniain and Ericksen. Roma fans were raving about the " heir of Totti ", which is the Italian equivalent of the new English Paul Scholes, Steven Gerrard or Paul Gascoigne.

Cleverley always was very talented, but he never was one of the best in his age group. He is a solid dependable player, always was and probably always will be.

Mick

Anyone who had watched our u21s regularly last season would vouch for the fact that Petrucci made them click. I think Mick mentioned about him being a "world class" talent when he was bought. And the point of him getting stick if he got a look in now, is well null and void. No one has said that he should currently get a chance in the midfield. IMO, yes he may be should have been used for the Carling cup or the CL (only for a few minutes if). Out of our youth products in the last few years, for me Pogba, Rossi, Ravel and Petrucci are/were the best of the lot.

Deeps.

10 Feb 2013 09:09:28
ED"s I require urgent help. I am a goalkeeping critic. (promise) i'm searching through the headlines and gossip columns and am unable to read about a Man City keeper throwing the ball into his own net and surley costing his team 3 points, and possibly the title, Or a QPR keeper parrying the ball to an oncoming player twice, who both score, or a swansea keeper doing the same thing who also scores.

Wait a minute.

Probably easier if I will hang on until after the UTD game and wait for criticism of a keeper, saying how rubbish he is, how many points he has cost us, and how he will be sold in the summer.

ONE RULE FOR ONE, AND ONE FOR ANOTHER

Don't start Jono off Lol!

Red Snapper

Look no further.
Apparently Mancini just stated he was not surprised by the two goals gifted by Hart, since he has been making mistakes all season long.
Gotta love Mancini sometimes
Lol

Jonny8

Ah you can't knock Cesar he has been unbelievable for QPR I know they're bottom of the league but I don't think they'd have any points this year if it wasn't for him!

Jamal

Understand your point, but I'm only interested in our man. Last week Rio was forced to head over his bar from 2 yards out with De Gea rooted to his line, his confidence has gone. Still a marvellous shot stopper, but he would clearly have benefitted from a longer spell at a club under less pressure. Our fault not his. We jumped in and paid a finished article price for a player who clearly doesn't justify the tag. . YET!
I watched one of his final appearances for Madrid at Majorca whilst on holiday. He was appalling in the air that day and I couldn't believe we were interested in him. The rest of his game is fantastic, it's just a case of can he ever sort the aerial stuff out. Good luck against EFC's big men today DDG.

10 Feb 2013 07:57:19
I'm a Peyerborough Utd season ticket holder and United fan. Some on here have been asking about Petrucci.

Petrucci has been playing central mid in a 442.

First 3 matches he was awful. Absolutely awful. Yesterday we saw glimpses and to be fair an amazing goal.

He has potential no doubt, though he's some way of starting at OT. Form wise he's been lucky to stay in Posh side.

Positives ate he is tough in a tackle, not afraid to tell senior players what to do and has a range of passing. His issue is he gives the ball away too often too cheaply.

Chance he will make the grade at United - 40%. Some distance quality wise behind his partner in midfield Grant McCann.

Up to theatre of dreams today. 2-1 Utd. Evra and Rooney on scoresheet. Biggest threat today - Real Madrid. Focus boys!

Timbo

Youv'e summed him up perfectly.
Raffa

Timbo your nuts.

posh are utter woeful and you would of been hammered yesterday but for Petrucci in midfield his pass and movement and tackling was great only shame was posh rathered play silly balls to and get put under pressure or launch it long. when he was used posh played football otherwise struggled.

Mccann and Boyd are a joke as was the oaf on the wing (44)

ms85

Timbo what you have to understand that it was Petrucci's first experience in competitive football. To make matters worse he is playing with the worst team of the divion. In the first couple of games, it was clear there was no understanding between him and his team mates, hence why he was oten found trying to do it all on his own. He came straight to the first team and had no tome to adapt.

Mick

I never said Posh weren't, but they're my local team and I have a lot of time for them. They're punching well above their weight and yesterday had a work ethic that SAF would have been proud of - so what's your point muppet!

This is a quote from the Peterborough Evening Telegraph, which I believe sums up my post.

'The on-loan Manchester United midfielder had fooled many of us into thinking he was a dud of Ajose proportions in his two previous appearances for Posh, but his goal, wonderful as it was, was just the topping on a performance rich in skill and impressively competitive. '

I agree. however in the first-half in particular he was very wasteful in possession and all too often slowed down forward movement by turning back and passing to a centre-half. So much so that five minutes before his goal the crowd were truly on his back!

I'm giving an honest assessment. The reality is he a young and immature Carrick and we all know the range of opinion he has created.

However, do not slate seasoned professionals such as McCann and Boyd who are helping young players like Petrucci learn his trade. McCann is a model professional. Put on the transfer list by Posh as the beginning of the season he has fought back with a string of quality performances. Boyd has had to overcome the disappointment yet again of a transfer collapse yet he still played with passion.

Why you are pointing out how poor (44) Mendez-Land (spelling) was I don't know. I agree, but he's not on loan from United and not worth passing opinion on to readers here. As such an irrelevant point and a failed argument.

My assessment stands, a 40% chance, but if he can build on the confidence the goal clearly gave him then that will improve and I will take my hat off to him!

I wish him all the best.

Timbo the nutcase

Simply you put he is a way behind Mccann and I thinkl that's a insult to the lad. just pointing out the facts to you.

ms85

Simply you put he is a way behind Mccann and I thinkl that's a insult to the lad. just pointing out the facts to you.

ms85

10 Feb 2013 15:04:48
Timbo it sounds like you, your fellow fans and the local rag all miss judged him too early. Bear in mind the lads missed a lot games, coming back to fitness, dropped into a team that's struggling and players he's not used to and vice versa. Give him time and he'll fly.

Timbo there are some on here that just don't like to hear the truth, Petrucci has potential but if he were to play first team football for us now he would get a load of abuse for not being good enough.
Look at Welbeck, playing for his country and people say he'll never be good enough for United. If Welbeck was on loan at Peterborough he'd look F"""ing amazing.

snakey

Snakey you could evidently see his class on the pitch. the loan is there for his progression so he can make the 1st team not get thrown straight in!

ms85

Snakey you could evidently see his class on the pitch. the loan is there for his progression so he can make the 1st team not get thrown straight in!

ms85

Snakey, we never said to put Petrucci on the pitch and make him play in the premier league for us, then expect him to turn a game upside down. But the talent of the lad is eident, just like Pogba's talent was, and it would be a shame to see him rot in the u21s because he clearly is much better than that. He just came bac from an injury and is playing his first competitive games, and yet he has had no time at all to get to know his team mates and the style of play. He was thrown at the deep end and it took him 2 bad performances, and he was also dropped on the 3rd game, to start adapting to his surrounding.

Mick

Ms85,
I didn't say the loan was a bad move or that his class wasnt evident in his last game but he would, at this moment in time, get slated if he were to play first team utd. People calling him world class right now are a little foolish. I hope he becomes world class but let's be a little less biased, people on here are saying it's jumping the gun to call Wilshere world class yet Petrucci gets that tag?

snakey

It's his first taste of first team football, we couldn't expect him to hit the ground running. He should be judged at the end of the season and not before, but expect him to get better as he gains in experience. If he started rusty then that's more than understandable.

Gav

Snakey you are right the world world clas sis too soon to throw about.

potential on the other hand he has loads.

ms85

10 Feb 2013 04:09:06
This is definitely the best post of the year so far. classic!

The irony of a "fan" who KLOOT would vehmently detest (given half an opportunity) giving such a glowing eulogy.

Fight hate with love!

DodgyBanter
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Well said Sir. You truly understand me

zag

Loved it zag!

DodgyBanter