Manchester United Banter Archive July 10 2012

10 Jul 2012 22:54:39
Can explain your yearly trips to Thailand though ;-)

Jono
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There's a reason it's called Bangkok.

G.A.G.U.S

10 Jul 2012 21:43:40
Syd, you replied to one of my posts before saying a winger would spell the end of Nani, but is Nani not about about to sign a new contract and we are still linked with Moura?

I personally dont think we will get Moura but he is a player I would like to see but I would like to see him and Nani in the same team. Saying that I am Valencia's biggest fan and would find it extremly hard to leave him out of a team...

1redarmy

Seeing as Valencia has been given the number 7 shirt, i doubt SAF will make a new number 7 sit on the bench! Owen excluded xD

Hoppy

Ah I return from the beach minutes ago to feel like I have never been away

My thoughts on Nani have not changed , yet while I was away I hear Valencia was given the iconic number 7 . So given that it seems he is definitely first choice. There must be a reason why Valencia got the number. Also is there some news that Nani is about to sign as I have only seen things like contract rebel.
Moura is interesting but it is hard to judge on you tube , saying that we seem to be looking at players like Hazard, Rodriguez Moura or even Gaitan all of which would likely take Nanis place especially given our new iconic number 7

Finally Moura is 19 and if we had to pay over £30m then our scouting better be spot on and we rely on Martin Ferguson for that. Looks to have high potential but moving to a new league can be difficult, was Anderson not similarly heralded?

Red Man

There is maybe a handful or so of attacking youngsters that are heralded as future world rulers in footballing terms at the minute they are

James Rodriguez
Lucas Moura
Eden Hazard
Juan Iturbe

Just to name a couple but Moura is something special undoubtedly but it would spell the end of Nani so is the sacrifice worth the risk ? I'd take him

10 Jul 2012 20:57:18
rumour is that SAF trying to mount one last challenge for the Champions League but cannot spend as much as he would like in the transfer market because the next manager (mourinho?)will inevitably want a substantial transfer fund to mould the team in his own image. We may therefore will not see more than one top notch signing if that

Dear unnamed sir
sorry to say
but ngiak remembers this rumour starting two years ago
gan

10 Jul 2012 20:03:19
It seems that we are not looking for a defensive midfielder, unless the slight rumors of fellaini amount to something...

Which I just can't understand. It's the one area of the team, besides left back that we need to strengthen. It's all well and good the majority of reds wanting a big attacking signing I.e. RVP, lucas moura etc.. But let's be practical and accept that defensively in the midfield we are lacking. The other clubs around us at the end of the season have 1 or 2 defensive midfielders and to be fair we pushed it all the way last season without having a defensive midfielder but I can't help think if we can add that aggression and strength to the midfield we will be so much better off.

Hoping for fellaini but the rumors seem quiet and the chances of getting two players from everton seem slim, this is assuming baines is on his way.

Any thoughts?

We were never looking at a defensive midfielder... it's not fergie's style

fearny

Carrick is more than capable of sitting in the whole as you put it. We were intent in trying to dominate higher up the pitch at the start of last year more similar to spain , barca etc if we have better players in and around am who have legs to get about I'm all for it. I'd be quite happy for jones to sit there in back up as long as we keep the ball better and don't go swashbuckling up the pitch every five minutes and leaving ourselves too open with sloppy passes . SHANDY

Couldn't agree more mate.

Fellaini is a great option. Though I think we should pursue Martinez. It would be a real shame to see him go to any other club, the lad is brilliant. Especially to another PL team. He is exactly what we need.

Fellaini is a great shout also but only at the right price. Great in the air, strong as an Ox and good passer of the ball.

If Phil Jones worked on his long passing he could be a ready made option? Loves to burst into a bit of space, strong on and off the ball and as we've seen when he played RB he is a brilliant tackler. Wouldn't mind seeing that myself!

RedShirt

Agree with you there RedShirt...but I don't think Jones is ready, nor will he be ready during the season! We need someone now who can slot right beside Carrick, i'd love to see Fellaini, he's a proven player and could allow Carrick to play slightly higher up the pitch (which, something that everyone has seemed to have forgotten, is his best position. Javi Martinez would be a fantastic option, IMO he's the complete midfielder, can attack and defend and also control the pace of the game. Really hope SAF is interested!

Andy

You keep playing carrick and we will be laughed at i would sooner keep park than that idiot

10 Jul 2012 18:46:08
Due to recent news linking us to Lucas Moura, i just watched him in Youtube... (yes youtube:))
But he is so different compared to other skilled players out there... One thing i noticed is that he is so natural in doing those skills. And looking at his moves, it gives an impression that he knows exactly what the opponent is going to do and he plays accordingly...
Whether we sign him or not... he is absolutely a unique & special player in my opinion

AJ

10 Jul 2012 17:47:58
just a thought, does anyone think it might be worth trying anderson out at left back
Jay Boy

I prefer him in attacking CM role.
He is a top quality player... The injuries are the main reason why he wasn't able to shine.. Many would disagree but he is definitely a quality player.... Let him have one full season without injury and let people judge him

AJ

Just no fergie played him out of position anyway left back just no really worth it


Dwright

That would be terrible he's too slow and would probly pull up with a hamstring injury or some sort with him running to fast.

Lewis.

How about trying him at left out
johndenton

10 Jul 2012 15:56:30
ed has there been any posts from jenny recently?

TRUMORS

Look who has a crush! ;)

REDFAITH

Maybe if you ask the Eds nicely they will create a dating section for you TRUMORS mate ;)

TK-Red

TRUMORS and Jenny,
sitting in a forum.
P-O-S-T-I-N-G!

M.D.

Hahahha no thanks
just that her posts seems to be right . nothing else;)

TRUMORS

Jenny I love you and need you to post immediately!

Halesini

10 Jul 2012 15:34:19
Real Madrid chiefs are furious with Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson.
Real believed they were close to striking terms with Tottenham for Luka Modric, only for Ferguson to make a serious approach over the weekend.

Real are offering cash plus Ricardo Carvalho for Modric, but the move has stalled with Ferguson now showing his hand.United boss Sir Alex Ferguson is back in for the playmaker as he desperately seeks a successor for Paul Scholes.
Real chiefs are convinced Ferguson's move is personal with the Scot publicly waging a war with the Spanish giants since 2003 when David Beckham quit Old Trafford.

Ruud van Nistelrooy's departure in 2006 and Real's deal for Cristiano Ronaldo, which led Fergie to famously declare they landed him on the cheap for £80 million, still burns up the Scot.

Why would they be furious?

G.A.G.U.S

10 Jul 2012 14:14:42
Witsel 8/10 million plus Anderson
Dembele 10 million
Baines 12/15 million
Add to that Kagawa and Powell and that's a great summer! Potential in Witsel, could be a great United player. Baines has 3/4 good years left in him and by then we should have Fabio and Blackett as top class players. Dembele is a gamble, but he's a versatile player and could fit into our team in a number of positions. For 10 million i'd take the risk! Two midfielders in Witsel and Dembele for the price of one Moutinho.

IrishRed

10 Jul 2012 13:46:10
Real Madrid chiefs are furious with Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson.

Real believed they were close to striking terms with Tottenham for Luka Modric, only for Ferguson to make a serious approach over the weekend, says AS.

Real are offering cash plus Ricardo Carvalho for Modric, but the move has stalled with Ferguson now showing his hand.

United boss Sir Alex Ferguson is back in for the playmaker as he desperately seeks a successor for Paul Scholes.

Real chiefs are convinced Ferguson's move is personal with the Scot publicly waging a war with the Spanish giants since 2003 when David Beckham quit Old Trafford.

Ruud van Nistelrooy's departure in 2006 and Real's deal for Cristiano Ronaldo, which led Fergie to famously declare they landed him on the cheap for £80 million, still burns up the Scot.

Never ever trust tribal football but it is a very interesting read....Hope Sir Alex pulls this one off anyway.Would be amazing to get one over real madrid who are so arrogant.

RED DEVIL FOR LIFE

Hell yeah.....would definitely love it if we can beat real to modric

10 Jul 2012 13:16:49
Do you think Leighton baines could become the next Dennis Irwin? Personally I think there the same

If this is true then I think that we all need to acknowledge Dennis Irwin as the greatest player of all time. 46 years of age and still playing well at the highest level. Could go on till he's 70 at this rate.

Danny Pughnited

10 Jul 2012 12:57:14
Manchester United Best ENGLISH 11 under Sir Alex Ferguson:

Formation: 3-4-3

Foster

G. Neville
Pallister
Ferdinand

Robson
Ince
Scholes
Beckham

Sheringham
Cole
Rooney

Wat ya all think?

SD GGMU

I would take Ince out and put the great Stevie Bruce in at the back. Also i think the late Les Sealey did better in his time at the club than Foster ever did.

Brendan

I don't think there is any denying that, it looks a pretty good side to me!

RedDevil19

Best "English" team but certainly not the best team under SAF, he didnt like Ince and Foster was never going to be No.1, I'd have Steve Bruce in there before Pallister although he was never capped for England

Flimbo

Bearing in mind you have no left back I'd go Phil Neville, and I agree with the poster up there that sealey should be ahead of foster and Bruce was always better than pallister for me.

GDS

10 Jul 2012 12:34:40
Aft Eds, Can i ask a few personal question, sorry if they have been asked before;

How do you delegate eds to clubs rumour pages?
is it through links or preference?

Do specific eds have specific fields of expertise; for example an ed who is financially in the know or an ed who is savy about utd deals?

Also do the eds numbers have a hierarchical meaning or is it just numerical order of who's been around the longest?

Cban {Ed001's Note - the eds come in to edit their particular club's site, usually, then help out on other sites, as and when needed.
Ed002 is very much financially aware, having contacts involved in those kind of areas for football clubs. As for being in the know, no one knows everything, a lot depends on what it is, as well, that it is regarding. Ed002 has no interest in youth football or knowledge of it, while it is my favourite area of football and I take a huge interest in it. As for transfers, well a lot depends on the other club involved in the deal, the agents being used etc, a lot more is found out from those areas than it is from United themselves. So it really depends on the deal or question itself as to who is best to ask. If it is about player's abilities, Ed022 is a good person to ask, hence why he started the player profiles sites.
As for the numbers, they are meaningless, apart from Ed001 being the best, of course! Seriously though, they are just assigned based on what numbers are available, no real meaning behind them.}

Thanks very much for taking the time to answer.

very much appreciated, I can now confirm 001 is the best

Cban {Ed002's Note - You don't find his interest in youth football disturbing in any way?}

Areas of expertise?

Ed001 - Youth football and all things Liverpool

Ed002 - Stunning good looks, finance and sarcasm

Ed004 - Unrivalled optimism for all things United.

Ed007 - Put downs and Celtic

I'd say that just about covers the main Editors on the United page ;)

TK-Red

Ed001 - A little cocky, but with good reason

Ed002 - Sometimes I don't know if he/she/it is being serious or sarcastic or mean - but I agree, stunning good looks

Ed004 - Wants a different player every week

Ed007 - Has a response to everything and is simply a LEGEND

G.A.G.U.S

Wait a minute, I didn't put that in for Ed002....

G.A.G.U.S

Don't lie G.A.G.U.S mate ;)

TK-Red

I didn't say it wasn't true TK

G.A.G.U.S

Haha G.A.G.U.S busted.

Can explain your yearly trips to Thailand though ;-)

Jono

10 Jul 2012 12:07:08
Am I not alone in my thoughts that signing Baines on the plus that he is English is a good thing?

I dont want united to end up like Arsenal with very few Britons in their squad. I like the fact that United has had a British backbone for the duration of our success.

Now dont get me wrong i am not a nationalist or any nonsense like that, i just believe for the health of the national squad it is a plus that Britons are playing for Britain's best teams.

Cban

Agree, but that doesn't mean we should pay double their true valuation simply because they are English. I think most wouldn't mind Baines as anyone would be an improvement on Evra (defensively), but Baines' fee will eat into our transfer funds which could prevent us from strengthening elsewhere.

Sydney!

You're not alone in those thoughts nor should anyone be considered a Nationalist for supporting home grown players, the influx of foreign players has made the league the most exciting to watch in world football but the National team has suffered badly, although the huge expectations on England to win tournaments is ridiculous as they (I'm Irish) just don't have the players to do so.

Flimbo

10 Jul 2012 10:57:48
twit fact: @WhoScored: Andy Carroll: Had more headed attempts on goal than any other PL player last season (42) but 36 players scored more headed goals (Carroll 1)

I know some people on here don't like twitter but is is good for a laugh some times!

REDP

10 Jul 2012 10:30:19
If the Baines and Lucas Moura rumours are true, then this is probably the most likely line up in the 'none' big games to accomodate both Kagawa and Moura...

____________DDG
Rafael__Smalling__Vidic__Baines
______Carrick___Kagawa
Valencia____Moura_____Nani
__________Rooney

That is the only likely way I can see us keeping our width which is one of our biggest strengths, whilst also getting both Moura and Kagawa in there (both of which will have been/have been bought for the first XI). For the tougher games I imagine one would of Nani, Moura or Kagawa would be dropped, probably Nani or Moura with us lineing up more like this:

____________DDG
Rafael__Smalling__Vidic__Baines
__Cleverly__Carrick__Kagawa
Valencia____Rooney____Moura

That line up would see Kagawa be the one that breaks most from midfield with Cleverly and Carrick pulling the strings. Both of these line ups don't even take Young or Welbeck or Hernandez into consideration much, all of whom would need to get games. What is certain though, is that Baines and Moura would be our last major summer transfer dealings as there would be too many quality players to fit into the line up, we would have to keep the harmony in the squad.

RedDevil19

Kagawa would be wasted in those positions! I understand where you're coming from in terms of having them both in the starting XI. To be honest i'd prefer to not get Moura and get another more conventional midfielder (Moutinho please) than have Moura and Kagawa on the same team, they're too similar and having them both would undoubtedly hinder ones development!

Andy

Still hoping Martinez is our last major signing...... i can dream

and personally think that if Nani stays and we play 4-3-3 then he will play on the right instead of valencia in the big games.

Oxred

This doesn't really work RD, we don't have a first 11 for the less big games, we have a squad and they are all used differently in different games.

The only sensible post like this would be 'I'd play this team against Everton, this team against Arsenal etc'.

Please don't do that post lol

GDS

It is very hard to get both of them in the team whilst getting the best out of them both. It would be easier if we didn't have Young as then there would be more room for Moura. Personally I hope that we get to see Kagawa played in his best position behind the striker as I am sure he will do brilliantly.

RedDevil19

He is Barca bound. Forget it.

10 Jul 2012 08:45:30
Hi guys,

I don't think we should get our hopes up about signing Lucas Moura, I really don't think it will happen, for Sao Paolo he plays on the right so I don't think Sir Alex wil be even considering dropping Valencia, plus I think we would have saved number 7 for him as that's the number he wears too, and last but not least his price is way too high, we can afford him but I don't fink we will risk that much on a player that young who's never played in Europe, I hope my instinct is wrong because he looks quality but I just can't see it happening, I stil expect us to sign Modric and Baines or instead of Modric it could be Moutinho or Dembele

Big Mac

10 Jul 2012 08:27:53
Don't you just love some of the posters on here;

You can't believe the papers when they say United players are getting £x amount a week, but hey RVP wants £200k a week, now where did they here that, oh yes in the papers or maybe their personal hotline to RVP.
Evra is hopeless, most of the goals we conceded this year were from his bad defending, he is lazy can't be arsed to track back etc. Don't sign Baines he isn't any better than Evra, he isn't worth the money, don't sign Cole, he is too old, no better than Evra etc etc. So if Evra is as good as the two best LBs in the EPL why are people moaning.
Our future is secure, we have Clevs, Pogba, Morrison, Fryers etc, 9 months later 3 of the 4 have gone and we never wanted them anyway, money grabbers, we have better players coming through. Oh and with Clevs the only one left, just read through most posters teams for next season, surprise surprise no Clevs.
Hazard will be a great signing, can't wait for it to happen, his preferred choice is Utd, oops he signed for Chelsea, what a money grabber, his ego is too big, we don't want players like that at United, we only want players that want to play for us, let's not forget that a certain Wayne Rooney handed in a transfer request as we never matched his ambition, well we certainly did when we paid him more money, what was that about money grabbers, players that want to play for the club etc.
Don't sign the likes of Rodwell etc they are injury prone, but Anderson is a quality player that we should keep, give him one last chance, now how many games has he missed through injury.
Modric, great player, just what we need etc etc, now let's see the comments if he doesn't sign, let me guess, money grabber, we never needed him, only want players that want to play for Utd etc etc.
Now with the rumour mill, yes those bloody papers again, promoting our interest, even a bid if you believe them for Moutinho, he is our ideal signing, just what we need in midfield ............... apart from a couple of posters he was never mentioned until he had a good Euros, uumm Karl Poborski comes to mind.
Will we sign anyone else, who knows for sure, certainly not people posting on here, despite 'the authority' with which some of them think they post, don't forget these were the very 'informed people' who told us that Pogba, Morrison etc were the future of the club.
These are just a few examples of the entertainment provided on here and I haven't even mentioned Carrick, keep it up folks it brightens up these rainy days.

YouGottaLaugh

Your post is awful mate, has no real purpose, no opinion of what you think we should do and no paragraphs... Go sit in a corner and play as Liverpool on Fifa mate.

1redarmy

Well said...

T0MB0Z

Totally agree with you there, people contradict themselves on almost a 2 hour basis on this site and whats worse is they dont even realise it! Not to mention posting teams in that stupid underscore format but worst of all is the Fifa addicts who pick a team on the PS3 or Xbox, then win all the trophies in FantasyLand and let it go to their heads to the point where they come on the site and post their deluded ramblings like they are real life football managers, its so annoying.

Flimbo

1redarmy - no purpose, well let me explain if you really can't understand, it highlights the nonsense that the so called 'informed posters' or those that post 'with authority' put on here and they really don't have a clue what is going on.
Interestingly you couldn't come up with any disagreement with what I said just an inane comment about playing FIFA, well looking at the so called signings we are going to be making (again.........) it seems that a lot of the posters on here use that as there guide to players and their values.
As you don't know what a paragraph is, I don't suppose there is much hope of an intellectual reply.

YouGottaLaugh {Ed007's Note - How's this reply. If you don't like the site don't read it. You're adding nothing to the site by moaning like a little bitch and even the two posts of yours I have had to read lead me to conclude your're an annoying little prat. I hope that was clear and concise enough for you. We do not slag off posts because of spelling, grammar or punctuation on this forum, we find it is only little sad smart ar$es that do that so that part of your post is a yellow card offence. Grow up, post constructive, informative or even funny posts or you will be blocked from the sites. There is a nice intellectual reply for you to digest and take heed, if you pay attention you might actually learn something. BTW I hate to nit-pick but where you say about 'there guide to players', it should actually be 'their guide to players'. See you did learn something.}

10 Jul 2012 07:32:32
Oscar the genius gone to Chelsea.... 22million !

Why man utd lacked signing such Star Players Ed002 & syd ? plz comment and reply !

ramlakhan :)

I don't remember us ever wanting Oscar and it is not the fact we lack the ability to sign star players, we lack the wild cash spending syndrome of other clubs.

1redarmy

Star player? I didn't know he existed until a week ago.

Sydney!

09 Jul 2012 23:33:41
Oscar off to Chelsea for £25m. It's a shame, he's the perfect playmaker. 25mill is quite expensive, but for a skilled, creative 20 year old Brazilian is worth it. Chelsea spending more and more and more. FFP please hurry up!

I despise chelski's ethos, they buy anyone they want or dont want another team to have, so many talented individuals end up tarnishing their careers for a hefty pay check there. Players who at a crucial point in their career decide the bright lights of london and a fat wallet take president over furthering their skills on the pitch. The day Roman Ambramovic decides he has had enough will be a good day for football.

Cban