Manchester United Banter Archive June 10 2014

10 Jun 2014 22:59:12
Hi fellas, newly registered to the site but been reading for sometime now. just wanted to introduce myself. I won't be posting anything other than my own opinion as i'm certainly not one of the "im in the know" kind of chaps, just a solid MUFC fan hoping for the best for the club.

10 Jun 2014 23:48:01
Welcome to the madhouse parks.

{Ed007's Note - I prefer the term 'Love-shack'...

11 Jun 2014 00:09:41
I like house of fun myself :), but welcome nonetheless Parks

Welcome mate :)

Welcome Parks you could even call it the House of Pain this last year

Could we not be the fun house and get Pat Sharp to join the Ed's with the twins, as support!

10 Jun 2014 20:31:49
listening to there saying rues to barca for 28million.

I don't know how Barcelona do it. It takes us and other teams months to negotiate a deal, but even when BvB do not want to sell Reus, Barcelona still manage to agree something. I wonder if Barcelona would want both Reus and Mueller or it's one or the other. Surely if it's the latter then we have a good chance of Mueller?

Mueller signed new deal

Muller has signed a new deal .

10 Jun 2014 17:23:33
United target Kroos has been offered 4 million a year to join Real Madrid, got your work cut out there Woody to make that one happen now. Better news for United is that Roma have signed a midfielder as a potential replacement for Strootman. It is also believed that they have softened their "not for sale" stance on the Dutch international.

If money is a factor for Kroos £80k a week isn't that much for a German international, I imagine he'd be after a bit more than that.

4m per year equates to under 77k per week. I'd like to think we could beat that quite easily if we were so inclined!

I think they mean £4m after tax. Therefore it would be £8m here in England.

The articles about it say specifically £4m per year BEFORE tax. Easy to beat, that one. Were we so inclined.

Flappy, they do my friend, but seems odd. Although it's still probably double what Kroos is currently getting now. I'm hoping we get one of Cesc or Kroos.

It does seem odd, but then all the papers I've seen it in are well known for talking utter nonsense! Guess we'll just have to see how it pans out :)

10 Jun 2014 16:55:16
Now we're not it the Champions League & all these Teams with sugar daddies. It seems we are behind a que of teams to buy quality.

Bayern - seem to attract all the Germans from other Clubs
Madrid - champions of Europe
Barcalona - obvious attraction
Juventus - Italian unbeatables
Man City - money, money, money
Chelsea - money & Mourinho
PSG - money & and easy League to win
Monaco - money & good living

Have we got to wait for the scraps after these teams have finished in the market?

10 Jun 2014 18:06:03
To be honest mate most players these days will opt for the money, there are a few that stay or go for loyalty but most will go where the money is. I dnt blame them for this, its a short and unpredictable career for most. All the teams u have mentioned pay the bucks to get the players they want end of.
Cavani didn't join PSG because it was a easy league to win otherwise he might as well if joined Celtic (apologies bond), he joined because they were willing to match the fee the selling club wanted and offered him the best wages, Falcao was the same.
Sure living in Monaco is amazing with the lifestyle etc but if say Dortmund paid the fee and chucked another 10-20k on his salary a week i'm sure u may of seen Edison in a yellow shirt this season.

We have got to get a grip fast with the way of modern football and its workings or we will get left behind fast (cue the scousers claiming its happeneing lol). Instead of trying to save the odd few million here and there on transfer fee's and prolonging the deal or even scuppering it we should pay and maybe try and negotiate a few more mills on a sponsorship.
IM not claiming we should pay whatever they ask but if say Southampton ask for £30m for Shaw and ain't willing to negotiate at all we MUST move on and FAST to other targets leaving the club and the players with the predicament and not us once the window shuts.

It just feels like we have been a bit 'amateurish' over the past 12 months or so. Maybe its was the change and they will sort it, i'm certainly not panicking yet because the window is not even close to open yet.
Ppl are losing there sh** atm because they see other clubs signing players, but I would guess a lot if ground work has been done behind the scenes with the transfer and its easy to annouce it after a season has finished and before a world cup. The problem comes when u have not done the ground work or change a manager close to the end of the season. That for different reasons will always give other clubs a head start on us.
It gives more power to the selling club while diminishing ours at the same time.

But i'm quite sure LVG has known a litte bit longer than 1 month he is the new Manchester United boss and will have started doing and getting woody to do the ground work too.

Judge the club at the beginning of the season on signings, if none come in then questions will be asked and not just by us fans but media and a like will be asking these questions.

Sorry bout the length shaps lol

I think we're still a bigger draw than all of the teams you list with the exception of Bayern, Madrid and Barcelona (and potentially Chelski).

Redseven, clearly we are not a bigger draw. Why did Hazard go to Chelsea or Moura to PSG? In the past few years we have lost players like Tevez because we wouldn't pay the price to keep him, and who knows who else chose Madrid, Barcelona, London or Paris rather than our side of Manchester. All other things being equal, if you were a south american superstar, where would you go? The tax free haven of Monaco or our rainy northern city? Why would you leave Bayern and Germany to come to a team that's in transition and may not get back into the ECL?

Plain facts are that we have failed to respond to the realities of the transfer market, with the club's cash flow being consumed by debt. At this point in time we are a top club in name only. SAF's glory days are behind us and LVG and Woodward will have their work cut out turning last season's form around.

There are now a number of teams with equal or greater resources and situational appeal. It's going to take money and a great manager to get us back to where we would like to be.

Peashooter - in the past the reason players went elsewhere has generally been because the club refused to pay what was required to sign them. By the sound of it that's now changing.

If you take money out of the equation we are a bigger draw. Financially speaking we are now able to offer more than PSG, City and Monaco in both transfer fees and wages if we so wished.

Our wage bill is less than City's and we haven't spent as much money. What we have spent has frequently been on either second rate talent within a global context (RVP and de Gea excepted), or players whose acquisition did not address the core problems - i.e not replacing the likes of Keane, Scholes, Giggs and Ronaldo.

We'll have to agree to disagree about whether we are a bigger draw anymore. My own opinion is that United fans who believe we are are deluding themselves. Times have changed. Right now, Bayern, Barcelona and Real are bigger draws than us, Chelsea is at least equal and PSG and City have just had too much money at their disposal.

I do agree we still have an incredible global profile but that doesn't mean that if one sets aside the money, the top players in the world would prefer to play for us than the other teams. The evidence suggests otherwise.

Peashooter - I can assure you that I'm not deluded. If you honestly believe that top players would rather play for Monaco than us if money were to be taken out of the equation then you are the deluded one.

As I said in my first post; Barcelona, Bayern and Real probably have more pulling power than us right now although one could argue they always have. Aside from those teams Chelski are the only one who come close to us and that is mainly down to money. If it weren't for Roman they'd be about as desirable as Newcastle.

If the club were so inclined we could go toe to toe with any club financially to sign a player (due to ffp restrictions). Providing none of the aforementioned clubs are involved I'd expect us to get our man 9 times out of 10 and in some instances I'd imagine we may stand a chance of beating those clubs to a players signature due to the fact that they will most likely be guaranteed to get more game time with us.

10 Jun 2014 15:07:13
At the moment in the press the following players are being linked with moves away from the respective teams which would suggest that all these clubs are going to have a huge overhaul, its silly season the stories run and run because there is no players saying anything due to intl duty.
despite some of these potential outgoings I don't see any of these clubs chasing too many of our over hyped over paid and grossly over valued premiership players.
Barca= valdes alvez puyol, alba, song, xavi, pedro sanchez,
BM martinez, gotze, kroos sweiny robben, mandzukic
RM contrao, pepe, varane, di maria benzema, isco moratta

Barcelona are the only team that will be significantly different next season.

10 Jun 2014 13:57:43
Afternoon all!

Personally I am not worrying too much about summer activities at this minuet!

Lets be honest now shall we, our manager is at the world cup, managing Holland who could possibly be outsiders for the final! He isn't going to be spending all this time looking for other players, asking players about Manchester United and whether they want to come back with him. Imagine the out cry there would be from Holland fans if there manager was concentrating on a transfer window which hasn't even opened yet instead of his national side!

He is fully concentrating on Holland, and I would be too, yes he is our manager but currently he is manager of a WC team, so people need to stop assuming he's making transfers.

Secondly, let's be completely 100% honest with ourselves, this summer we will be lucky to sign 3 good players. An amazing summer will see them be quality players, but don't expect that. Personally I see Depay, Shaw and Clasie coming in. Depay for the future, clasie for his vision, passing ability and link up with RvP and Shaw for, well, we all know why we need Shaw. ( Alex & Pat :/ )

But all these will be after the WC. don't EXPECT ANYTHING BEFORE IT!

LvG is known for his ability to bring up the youth, and convert peoples positions to where he thinks they'll play best. Look at schweinstiger for example, was a RM and LvG thought, nah he'll be a better CDM, and look at him now. One of the best CDM's in the world!

Expect to see Michael Keane play a lot of games in CB alongside Smalling or Jones, expect to see Powell a lot and Wilson alot. To find out a teams weaknesses you need to have spent a proper amount of time with them. coming straight in and assuming who needs changing before a single training session is frankly arrogant. We'll see players who are playing well in training get first 11 places, that's Van Gaals philosophy. I don't think we'll see the household names, just because of there past or the amount of respect they hold in the club.

Next season will be interesting but I think 5th is our finishing place. The we can see stars come in in the summer and push for the title again.

Harry UTD

10 Jun 2014 14:16:20
Really! No worries then!

Definitely Harry, because we all know that the only thing preventing those big stars from joining is that elusive Europa League spot.

FFS, van Gaal has obviously spoken to people at the club, and if he watched us at all last season he'll be aware that a large rebuild is needed if we want to start competing for trophies again. The single most important goal for the club next season is top four. We need to convince players that last season was a blip, and that signing for United means competing in the top competitions. Van Gaal understands this and will not be satisfied with bringing in three young lads. The only issue is that the Glazers have never shown that they understand how much investment is necessary to keep a club competing at the top level. This summer will definitively prove if they are all talk.

Dannny, stop being sensible. Harry is spot on - having had a dodgy defence and lost the 2 most experienced CBs we will obviously promote from within. Harry is adopting Syd's style of presenting his view as fact, although Syd's views are usually in the realms of the believable.

Maybe we will resign scott wooton :)

10 Jun 2014 13:20:09
Here we go again. A new day but still on the same old magic roundabout that is going nowhere.
Lets go over it all again.

After cancelling our interest in Fabregas and Kroos apparently we are still interested in both. We are trying a last minute attempt to capture Fabregas from Chelsea and Real Madrid have come sniffing around Kroos, so LGV has made a phone call to Kroos and we are back in there.Haha.

Pogba is available for an absolute fortune so we want him even though the player has come out and said he will not return to United.

Miranda ( and this was a done deal 2 weeks ago ) is now admitting to negotiating with other clubs.

Konoplyanka ( and we were favourites last week ) is now being courted by Paris S.G.

Reus had agreed terms with Barcelona but we are now being told that he will not be sold this summer.

Strootman is nearly a done deal. This player is seriously injured so how can we possibly buy him until he passes a medical and that would be many months away.

Shaw has agreed terms with United but still no announcement. Probably the most likely to sign but just keeping everything crossed on this one.

So that's how it stands today. Tomorrow.

This may be just in my head, but I get the feeling LvG prefered Cesc so that's why our interest cooled on Kroos, perhaps if MU feel they have lost the fight to sign Cesc, they will start discussions with BM again?

Maybe, just maybe it's all made up stuff in the papers?

I don't think he likes either of them so I wouldn't get your hopes up

Maybe we simply can't close a deal - and you know who I mean. so it allows time for others to scupper a deal - or maybe it journalists hype, baseless info cynically put forward to sell their newspapers.
Time to hibernate until there are real announcements from the club.

10 Jun 2014 14:33:37
We will end up with nothing as most of the time!

Maud-Dib .

That is exactly what it is. Made up stuff to fill pages until the World Cup begins. Unfortunately many people want to believe it.

10 Jun 2014 17:47:13
Nick,

When was the last transfer window we ended up with nothing?

10 Jun 2014 21:14:42
Well, I don't remember any positive apart from RVP, so I don't see any reason to be so positive or blind to think its just a matter to wait till September for no value on the Market or to go elsewhere.

I can say it again we may end up with nothing other the Dutch Players we've linked with.

We might as well have had nothing last summer, a last minute panic buy that we paid over the odds for and are now looking to offload at a big loss

10 Jun 2014 11:01:06
So sunday daily express say that we are going to get alba and not shaw, today they say shaw has signed a 160k per week contract. Really?! For an 18 year old. Absolutely silly season.

10 Jun 2014 09:42:37
Hi Ed002, I appreciate this is a very speculative question and feel free to shot me down, but I was wondering, with your knowledge and contacts and stating it will be a 3 window re-build I was hoping u could clear a few things up the best u can.

1- when stating it will be a 3 window re-build do u include January's window when we signed Mata?

2 - from what your hearing what area do u see us investing most in this window? A name would be fantastic but I also except we are linked with so many different names this time of year and targets can change from day to day.

3 - is there any names you have heard linked or targeted by the club that the usual media outlets have not.

Thanks for the time mate

{Ed002's Note - (1) three windows going forward. (2) I really don't want to get in to money. I have said where there is interest in players. (3) I have no idea what the "usual" media outlets have said CTR.}

10 Jun 2014 11:50:52
Fair enough ed appreciate the reply mate

10 Jun 2014 07:40:42
What youngsters do we all think deserve a crack at the 1st team squad? Do you think we will keep Nick Powell or loan him out again?

Personally I would bring in Powell to compete for the attacking midfield slot, Lingard although there was a rumour he maybe moved on, Wilson and the young right back.
Send Lawrence/Pearson out to championship/premiership clubs welfare good links with to ensure they get the right season.
Can't decide on Zaha whether he is worth the agro that comes with him.

I'd like to see Powell used in a midfield role on occassion next season, shows great promise as the next goalscoring midfielder in an early Scholes type mould.

I have been quite impressed with Saidy Janko who knows maybe he will get his shot

I'd like to see him go out on loan to Leicester or another EPL team.

10 Jun 2014 12:42:27
I expect to see Valera, Micheal Keane, Janko, Pearson, Rothwell, Powell, Pereria, Lingard and Wilson be given a chance to mix with the first team squad and maybe get a game or two over the next couple of seasons. After that its down to them to take those chances and make the manager consider them on a more frequent basis.

What has happened to Will Keane? Has he signed a new contract or is he another impressive U21 who will slip out of the net because he has not been given a real chance?

11 Jun 2014 00:02:38
I think Will Keane had a bad injury, just as there was talk he would be involved in the first team squad, Red Setter.

I might be wrong, tho. If I'm right, then it's hardly the club not giving him a chance, just bad luck and poor timing for the young lad.

10 Jun 2014 00:42:06
Re: Fabregas. Interested to know what's true and what's not. The press seem all over the place with this story and it offers an intriguing insight into how deals are done and why clubs might sell a player they fought so hard to get from Arsenal

I think we shot our wad last season won't happen this one