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10 May 2014 23:29:34
Unbelievable! I didn't recognise him at first because he's dyed his hair black, but Robbie Savage has just won Eurovision :)
Thought it was Pirlo! In the words of AJH - exactly what we need. Lol
10 May 2014 23:17:59
Garay apparently in talks with Monaco. As much as I would love to sign him, I can't see it. We have has so many chances to get him, a bit like Sneijder saga.
Of course they are interested in Garay! Mendes can't get enough of them!
I think Garay is a must sign for us this summer. Moyes' targets Mangala, Ginter seem to be moving elsewhere according to the editor. I don't think we will get Hummels, with Barcelona interested.
But LVG has a bad history with south american players so maybe that is why we might not be interested?
10 May 2014 22:36:17
So is Danny wellbeck mick, tbh I rate wellbeck just as much as Muller in terms of influence and consistentency in game
CTR
This is where we disagree CTR. I remember a couple of years back when Hernandez came out and praised Scholes and Giggs for their ability to choose the right option at an amazing consistency inside the penalty area. They know when to pass cross, dribble, and shoot. Such decision making comes with experience, but obviously there are players who manage to take it to the next level, while others don't ( you've got Charesma and Nani to Ronaldo ).
Decision making improves with age, experience and hard work, but some are just better than others at it.
Muller is different. From a very young age, he was composed under pressure . He always seemed to have time on the ball, always knew when, where and how to pass it. In terms of football IQ, he is on a whole other level to anyone bar Messi imo.
If Muller had Welbeck's physical attributes ( pace, strength, size . ) he would be a ballon d'or contender imo.
Now a lot has been said about Van Gaal's system. He likes players who fit in, work hard, and are technically capable. But what van Gaal likes most is intelligence. He likes his players to be smart and able to make the right decisions.
I honestly believe that given unlimited funding, Muller would be the absolute first name Van Gaal would go after. He can play anywhere in attack, and in a narrow 4-3-3, he knows how to move around the front line and terrorize defenders. In the penalty area, there is no player who is more likely to create something than Muller.
It's kind of like Lampard and his goalscoring. He is not as physically dominant as Gerrard, nor as talented as Scholes, but he can score more goals than the 2 combined.
That's because he is smarter. Simple. He makes the right decisions when he is in and around the area. Notice how many of Lampard's shots are blocked when you compare him to Rooney. Same goes with Muller's crossing and Nani's.
CTR, you rate Welbeck alongside Muller? Really? Most amazing thing I have read on here in a long time. As someone on here said a while back, he can control the ball further than most can kick one. He is quick and strong but his control, his shooting, his passing and his decision making are all dire. If he has more than 0.05 seconds to make a decision on what to do with the ball, he f*cks it up. He is not good enough to be a United player and I honestly see him at Everton or another club like that within 2 seasons.
Welbeck is quick and quite strong, and gives the opposition problems with his forward runs. But in terms of football ability, the only Muller I would compare him with is a Fruit Corner.
Brendan if he isn't good enough for Utd then he isn't good enough for Everton, he's found his level at Utd.
Plymouth, your obsession with all things United is a bit sad. Midnight on a Saturday night, and a Liverpool fan on a Manchester United web page sticking up for Everton? Strange behaviour. Shouldn't you be spending your pocket money down Union Street, if you get my meaning? lol
Betty don't be harsh on Plymouth!
he is in shock! Spending half of march
And April calling Liverpool the next champions!
What can I say. I now read his posts and
Just laugh!
I totally understand what u arw saying mate, when I first watched him I thought he was a very good talent and watching him tear england apart was amazing, but in my opinion he has stagnated not to say he ain't a good player at all just I think we dnt need muller now, where would we fit him in? To me he wouldn't be a starter and the monies being talked about for him would pretty much make him a starter.
So imo amd it is only my opinion what he brings to the team we would get the same with rotating wellbeck and it won't cost us an small fortune for the pleasure.
Now maybe it may hurt a few but I dnt think every player we are linked to we need, and it seems a few read the daily rags see what player we are linked to and convince themselves we really need him! Disregarding what we already have in that position, i'm in no way claiming wellbeck to be the next big thing because he aint, but at the same time i'm not gunna get wet over a player who has not of yet nailed down a position in a team he beem in for 5 or so years like a few on here :-) having said that i'm probably totally wrong I can accept that to.
Betty
Used to have a pony when I was kid with those same attributes, unfortunately he never made it to the Kentucky Derby :)
I am sure Young danny will come good for 3 months once he gets to his 28th year, kind like our old friend Nani, if you wit long enough and play them consistently, eventually they will all have a decent 3 months :)
10 May 2014 21:58:54
Seeing as LVG has the same agent as Tomas Vermealen, does the eds think he could be a viable replacement for Vidic? one year left on contract and not signed new deal at Emirates could be a bargain?
Not sure he is good enough.
I'd like Koscielny if anybody from Arsenal, he has all the attributes for me, with a footballer next to him we would be quality.
10 May 2014 21:20:42
Just read Fellaini's interview. Some will say he is making excuses but fair play to him, he seems up for the challenge. A poor 1st season but then so did Evra and Vidic. Not defending him as he has been truly dreadful but let's see if he is as good as his word.
He is just what we need :)
I have faith in him, he needs a goal and a run in a stable team. Bit of patience
At least he recognises his poor form, we all want to see every signing succeed.
Only difference was evra and vidic had never played in the premier league, fellainis played in it for 6 seasons now.
Bruce, Pally and Smikes were disappointing in their first seasons! Didn't do too bad after!
I once said that at Everton, Fellaini was a top class player and not too far from being considered world class ( though he would never reach those levels ).
He was as important as Baines for them, and when played in an advanced position, with tactics that suit him, he can be near unstoppable.
But, imo, Fellaini finds himself in the same deep rubbish-hole as Kagawa. Playing out of position in a team that does not suit his qualities.
The difference is, Kagawa suits a fluid system, based on quick passing and interchanging. Despite not fitting into the team atm, many of us hope that we move towards a system in which Kagawa thrives.
The problem with Fellaini is, the system that suits him is pretty much anti football when it comes to Manchester United fans, used to a more swashbuckling, expansive brand of football under Ferguson. We might have been more one dimensional in the last couple of seasons, but there was always a hint of magnificent footy there. Fellaini does not suit it, and he sure as hell does not suit Van Gaal's system.
Can he be reconverted into a defensive midfielder? Maybe. Can he be top class at it? probably not.
I'd give him another season to prove himself. He joined late and had a rough ride with injuries. He seems happy to be here and fight and may end up bein a useful player who is a bit of a different option. At the end of the day we all thought that he was one of the better midfielders in the league so if he can reproduce that form then we have a decent squad player on our hands.
I agree with Mick here. He is quality at what he does best but we don't typically go down that route. This is why the purchase of Mata was disappointing as well, not quick enough for a dynamic team and unfortunately our two big signings of last season won't suit a quick, footballing team that we are aiming to be.
I rate both of them very highly - but it is like what Spurs did with Soldado, wasted for the system and style.
10 May 2014 20:38:28
Off topic
But looks like Cabaye has just been injured by a very bad tackle and will miss the world cup.
Shame for him. However I am so pleased we didn't buy him in January, another slow player we almost went for.
10 May 2014 17:53:20
Just wondering. If you kill yourself, its suicide! If you kill someone else, its homicide! If you kill loads of people, its genocide! If you haven't won a title in 20 years, it must be merseyside!!
OT7
Delightful!!!!!!
Patrick
And counting.!
Haha brilliant!
{Ed025's Note - im a scouser ossie...and i had a little chuckle at that mate..
Nicely done.
10 May 2014 16:49:08
ed 002 if your around m8, i'm just wondering where do the papers get these transfer stories from, do they just make things up completely or is there any truth to these, for instance kroos and shaw today . thanks in advance m8 ( sorry if its bn asked before ) ;-)
{Ed002's Note - They will come from "sources" that may include players, agents, club officials, independent journalists, drunks in bars (wait, I already mentioned agents).}
Or Fresh! maybe? lol
Betty
Classic LOL. That cheered me up, I am so bored and miss betting as 95% of the teams have nothing to play for.
GCU, there are plenty of betting opportunities in Europe tonight. I've got a fiver on " Le Rouaume-Uni nil points" lol.
Witty guys haha. You would all miss my input.
10 May 2014 14:09:06
ED do we have any realistic chance of signing Garay?
I just read a rumour linking him to Monaco .
{Ed002's Note - I am not going to try and quantify "realistic chance"}
10 May 2014 16:27:45
If LVG is going to be our manager then I wonder what he will do with fellaini.I don't think he is in LVG plans but since LVG is renown for finding and changing the position of players (just as he did for bastian ), is it possible for turning wiggy into a defender. I admit he is slow and commits lots of fouls but he has all requirements needed for a defender. If he can control some part of his playing style then he certainly can play in our defense line.What are your thoughts?
Fellaini in central defense sounds like a penalty giving machine.
Agreed Andrew, but so are Jones and Evans at times, I would be more concerned about his positioning more than the dangling legs and swinging elbows, refs let a lot go in the penalty area.
I'd rather have him up top as a target man. With the little men running around him.
10 May 2014 13:51:23
Looks now as if it could be the dream team of Van Gaal, Meulensteen and Giggs . Also Rio could get one more year, with Evans, Smalling, Jones and Keane the sgning of another centre back could be put back to free up money for other areas of the team.
Van Gaal, Meulensteen and Giggs would be fantastic. I think we will get a centre back in though, possibly a younger player if not a top name.
We will almost certainly buy a CB.
We badly need a proven cb. Smalling, Evans and Jones are all injury prone, and all have question marks over their ability to perform at the top level.
Dany
I agree. I call them 3 the ming Synasty LOL.
10 May 2014 12:33:46
I keep hearing people talking about carvalho, but how many people have actually seen him play in a regular basis?Not having a go, just wondering as I know nothing about him. Well apart from YouTube, but even Hensley looks world class on youtube
He looks like the most solid player in the Sporting team, very assured of himself. His positioning is better than I first thought, also noticed he's very vocal with his teammates which is always a good thing.
His game is very much on the defensive side while he can dribble and pass you can see he's most comfortable making a tackle.
Genuinely looks like a player who'd improve the defensive weakness through the middle of our team dramatically, also he could show Fellaini how to tackle without elbowing the other player in the face.
Iv watched him a few times he is a beast and the hype is well deserving he will go to either us Madrid or Barca
Cheers for the informative update Ozwald. Sounds like just what we need to free up any creative midfielders we may acquire in the summer. I was hoping fellaini might of played a similar role, but as many people said last year, he just isn't a united player
Okay from what I've seen of Carvalho ( and I've watched over half his games this season ) I believe he's as solid a talent as they come.
You watch him and you know he's going places. He's rather average on the ball when it comes to skill and technique. His passing is solid if unspectacular, he rarely goes forward and when he does he just bullies his way past opposing players, not much flair in there.
But his defensive work and positioning are off the charts. He's like a stronger, faster Carrick.
He is always blocking the space for available passes, and when a player runs towards him with the ball, there's only going to be one coming out with it. He is the type of players who make you feel as if all opposition attacks are coming from the wings, because there's no way anything will happen through the middle with him in there.
Micky is he worth the 37 million pounds we will have to pay for him?
Alex Song is available for 10-12 million pounds mind you.
Mumbai, he's worth as much as we can pay for him.
For Carvalho, you're buying a player who, in all likelihood, will be a mainstay in your midfield for a decade+. If he is to be sold, I believe we'll recoup most of what we paid for him ( if not more, depending on how much he keeps improving ).
Carvalho, at worst, will be better than Song imo. We are at a stage where money should not be an object. We need to improve the team and keep the investors happy. We make enough money to cover whomever we buy, we should be going after the best.
Song, at best, will be a squad player here. We already bought one in Fellaini, and we already have a couple ( Cleverley, Fletcher ), not to mention Powell, Rothwell, Pearson, Pereira, Goss, James, Ekangamene who can do a job in the coming years. No need to buy squad players when you have youngsters and average academy graduates capable of doing the same job. We need starters, quality, and we have to do whatever it takes to get it.
Carvalho is good, but for the money asked you could buy someone who was already the finished article, one of the worlds best. Carvalho is a real talent, but the problem of paying for potential is that it doesn't always come off and he's not at that point where it's almost a guarantee. In your heads start naming the best defensive central midfielders in the world; I doubt any one of them would cost much above £40 million. And as much as everyone says he could be here for a decade; says who? Why? How are we even figuring that, players don't tend to be one club any more and the ones that are tend to be local lads or fans. You look at £37 million and think; "If we were put in a position where we had to sell him, how much more could we realistically get?" After a few years maybe Madrid or Bayern come sniffing, he asks for a move. After transfers, wages and loyalties we probably wouldn't make much of a profit.
All I'm saying is if we're paying that amount of money, I'd want one of the best players in the world, not someone who may/may not be.
Totally agree with the above post we should be buying players who are world class and at the top of their game now and for that amount their are plenty of options.
Exactly as Raiden & Sparky say. We hardly have a great record of taking talent and making it better, Hernandez, Anderson, Nani, Bellion, Smalling, Jones, Obertan, Fabio to name but a few.
Obviously we have a couple that have improved but realistically the time for potential is over for the time being, you can do that when we have a solid team challenging, not a team in transition and then £30+mil on potential is still a lot when we have so many areas to fill.
10 May 2014 10:35:11
What are we all making of bob cass comments?
Be good if true.
We know of talks between MU & Southampton and MU & Bayern, so why not? We can only hope it's true!
What comments davey?
" Kroos and Reus will be at United next season, I just made it an exclusive "
He's been fairly accurate in the past and there is a lot of buzz created by it. Personally think Shaw will definitely come in, Kroos remains to be seen with some saying next summer is more likely. The other big one that I want to complete the trinity is Reus. Just those three would make a huge differ Eve but I don't see us stopping there.
Interesting coming from him to say the least.
Kroos and Shaw to be at MU next season MB.
It can only be good news if it is true. Kroos and Shaw would be massive improvements on what we have. Ideally we will get them well before the start of the season to give us time to look at other players like Reus, Garay and Carvalho.
Really unsure over Garay. I think van Gaal will want Hummels but I'm not sure we would get him and Reus. The priorities would be Shaw, Reus and Kroos. Carvalho maybe but I expect he will look for other options, if Strootman was fit he would get him. Not sure as for a centre back though. Could we get away with Smalling and Jones as a partnership? If we can't get a top centre back a young one be good? Van Dijk, de Vrij? Lots of young centre backs that can Gaal will be familiar with.
Micky and Ozzie's statements combined would mean Kroos, Reus and Shaw are coming to United? :P
Why are people so convinced lvg would go for strootman, he is one of the best cm in holland but wouldn't be in the top 10 maybe 20 in the world imo.
kroos is a much better player and if he was dutch would get in the national team all day long before strootman
Kroos isn't really a holding player is he though jred.
I still think Pep will leave Bayern before they start breaking apart that team. Coupled with no Europe, signing the very best players will come hard. As for Shaw, we know how stubborn Saints are. I like to think he will come to us, but probably not till after the WC and for an absolutely stupid transfer fee. A lot of people are really optimistic about this summer; but we're buying from the weakest position in our history; we have the money, but players fees and wages are grossly inflated, we have no Europe and for the first time the stability and consistency and success of this club is in doubt. People quoting £150 odd million to be spent - I don't see it, and even if we did that doesn't get you all that much these days when you're thinking about wholesale squad reform.
I'm very reserved about this window. I don't think we'll sign Kroos, Reus I'm on the fence for and as for Shaw and Carvalho the amount we'd pay for them for what we're getting would be utterly stupid. Next season will either be very bad (as in no challenge, maybe no Europe and one or two of the best players leave) or very good (as in 2nd place and a great window). I don't see us having a middle ground.
Neither is Strootman Fresh.
Fresh
Is that what you think strootman is?
Either player could play the deep role or mote advanced
10 May 2014 10:11:10
Our very own Andreas Perreira has been picked to play for the Brazilian U20's in the Panda Cup. That's his summer sorted and it will be great experience for him.
Cracking player Sydney good luck to him, how weird we struggle to get youth of the calibre we need then four or five turn up at once must be written, shame Pogba left a midiled of him Januzaj Pearson and Perreira would of been perfect like the midfield of Giggs Scholes Keane ad Beckham maybe even better
Great stuff, I really hope he can break into the team next season in a similar way to how Januzaj broke into the team this season. Safe to say we have a lot of talent in the youth teams, and a very bright future.
Kate, Gilly, agreed we should see a lot more of Wilson next season and Perreira probably towards the end of next season ready for the season after.
Pogba and Januzaj were the best two, ass Wilson to that and you have a fantastic start. Shame he left but would welcome him back because I can see why he left and can sympathise with him.
I thought he was going to represent Belgium?
Ive watched him play quite a few times and he is a talented player, but he has to be more consistant last week against liverpool he scored the only goal 1 of his trade mark screamers but other than that he did very little.i like ben pearson as well great engine and never gives the opposition time on the ball but he needs to develop his game a bit at the moment he is very aggressive and rash at diving in very similar to what raphael was last season.im confident both will make it at utd but I don't see either featuring in the prem league until at least 2015-2016 season
He said he was going to play for brasil I think he qualifys on his mums side
Maybe in a few years time, if we could have Kroos, Reus, Carvalho, Mata, Jones, and De Gea as our most experienced players, along with the likes of Wilson, Pearson, Rothwell, Shaw, Pereira and Januzaj, that would be fantastic.
Syderman and John
I think the lad has got natural talent as much as Adnan if not more. Can he get his head down and work on his inconsistencies? Even the Liverpool semi-final, he was our best player second half, first half he was probably our worst. I have got high hopes for the lad.
Deeps.
Syd,
I forgot to respond to your comment on Lawrence that day on whether he will just miss out on being a MU regular. I think he will make it, he is a late bloomer, has matured very well. His touch is already better than half of our first teamers ;-) .
Deeps.
I also feel lawrence has a good chance of making it at utd, he has a good allround game and looked very composed on tuesday
The reason I think Lawrence and Lingard may miss out is because neither know what their best position is. I have to admit though, both have done very well out on their loans.
10 May 2014 08:35:02
Question, would Alex Song be a good addition to play at the base of a midfield three?
I think he's just what we need. Sorry, I'll stop now.
Would he be better value than W. Carvalho? I think he is a huge risk for the quoted asking price, will van Gaal take that risk which could make him look like a fool when he could get someone like Song for a quarter of the price.
I agree.
10 May 2014 10:49:57
He's overrated. Was alright in the prem and done nothing in Spain. He also doesn't seem like a van gaal player. All he's got is an engine but he's not that technical, not great positionally and doesn't seem to have a great brain. Carvalho seems expensive and is a risk but if he settles well we get over ten years out of him or sell for a profit to Madrid. I could probably think of 10 i'd have before Song.
Its funny I was banging on about Song all last Summer and hardly anybody concurred with my views that he would be perfect. Since then he has played even less and RVP (who he has a great wave length with) has gone backwards, but now he is just what we need?!
I still think he would be ideal, but based on Arsenal, haven't seen much of him since.
I would love Song & Fab from Barcelona with Rooney & Hernandez going the other way.
I would much prefer Carvalho more potential for me we need the very best this summer
Well, good passer, decent on the ball, strong-ish, but has no engine, slow ( despite not being particularly big or strong ), has little to no positioning, and is all around average.
No thank you, Carvalho would be a good long term bet, he is better than Song in any conceivable aspect of his game bar long range passing.