Manchester United Banter Archive May 10 2019

 

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10 May 2019 23:10:10
It's took the fall of United being the shining light for English teams for English teams to dominate Europe, history repeats itself, joeyored.

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10 May 2019 11:01:17
So looks like we've bagged Daniel James.
Not a big signing and some may say "this is what we've become" but as we've seen, it takes more than talent to be successful. Hard worker with a ton of pace, fits the style of play we want to aspire. Let's see how it goes.

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10 May 2019 11:25:34
We haven't bagged anyone, its simply just a rumour.

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10 May 2019 11:34:05
Young British player, who won’t cost a fortune, or demand massive wages. Seems sensible.

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10 May 2019 11:36:06
Bagged him 😂😂😂. This isn't tesco shopping bag.

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10 May 2019 11:53:56
Could be a shrewd signing and potentially and idea of how Solskjaer wants to play and what sort of status of player (which we have all discussed) is going to look for.

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10 May 2019 12:23:40
I'm now imagining a supermarket sweep style show involving clubs bagging players.

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10 May 2019 12:23:51
It's not over the line yet, I remember watching a press conference with John Obi Mikel holding up a United shirt. So it's still in the potentially happening bracket.

I've seen him a couple of times, he is lighting quick, however, as with any young player he has areas he needs to work on, good technique, not over reliant on one foot. However, as expected with a young player decision making could be better. I sometimes think his legs work quicker than his brain as well. By that I mean he gets into positions then thinks what now, rather than having a clear idea about what he is going to do. It's important for a young player who has an attribute that elevates them above their contemporaries to work on the rest of their game and not be over reliant on that attribute which is easier said then done. It happens a lot with lad who are exceptionally strong or quick, they rely too heavily on that and don't round off their skill set.

That said I like this kind of transfer, someone young hungry and talented.

Lets see what happens.

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10 May 2019 13:12:42
Replacing Juan Mata's minutes in the squad? But lo and behold with an actual winger.

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10 May 2019 13:50:29
A good signing if it happens imo.

Has talent and can be developed further. Sterling wasn’t the finished product by some margin when he joined City but he has answered most of us doubters now.

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10 May 2019 14:30:20
Yeah another left winger because we clearly don't have enough of those already.

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10 May 2019 15:15:42
Technically do we have a left winger? Rashford and Martial are both arguably better at striker and is where their long term future is. Does the Latin Elton have even a short term future?

And the guys two footed he could do a job on the right.

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10 May 2019 15:25:01
CSM, I would argue that we don't have any wingers in the squad at all, or at least none that play as wingers anymore (Young and Valencia) .

I made this point the other day. Sanchez works best as a false No.9, that is where he has had his best season/ performances. Mata is a No.10, Rashford is a striker, Lingard is a second striker and Martial is more of a wide forward not a winger.

All can play on the left, but then John O'Shea could play in goal.

Although James has predominately played on the left he has also played on the right. Also of the 5 players in our squad who could play on the left only Rashford and Lingard seem to be safe within the squad. Mata is out of contract, the club wants to shift Sanchez and there are reports saying Martial's future could be in doubt.

Therefore, in inexpensive, lighting quick, tactically versatile, true winger capable of playing on either wing seems like a low risk potentially high reward signing.

Side note, he caused City real problems earlier in the season.

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10 May 2019 16:20:58
mort if we are looking to get rid of our existing lw's we should be targeting someone who is atleast proven in a top league, signing championship players when we actually need top class players is just glazeronimics at work.

Shappy last low risk high reward that worked was chicarito that was a decade ago, since then we have had smalling, zaha, buttner, jones, bebe, nick powell, angelo henriquez and diego dalot. And outside of smalling none of them have worked, reserving judgement on dalot for now. It's safe to say the low risk high reward strategy rarely pays off especially given the fact, we need first team players not bench options not starters.

The whole point of moving on sanchez, even martial would be getting someone better than those 2 who can hit the ground running, is daniel james going to do that? I don't think so.

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10 May 2019 16:44:36
CSM, you are proving my point of the day. We have signed as many big name fancy signings as well which haven't worked.

We have spent 700m on "top" talent since Sir Alex has retired. When you consider the wages and agents fees we will probably be topping the 1 billion mark. Which of them have been a success?

What we need is a strategy, a clear identifiable way of playing, and clear ideas about the types of players we need to sign, both skill set wise and mentality wise.

Many great players have come from the championship, the last two young welsh lads signed by a top EPL club was Ramsey and Bale. Hardly bad company.

It's this snobbery, and inability to give young lads a chance that is making it harder for these lads to be a success.

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10 May 2019 17:24:59
I reckon CSM is one of those who kicks the club for not going for the likes of Dele Alli.

We need first team players sure. We need ideally around 8 signings. At the current state of the transfer market that's a minimum of £500 million. Not exactly realistic. So if skimping cash on a young talent in one position means more available money to spend on a genuine world class player in a more pressing position.

Get 3 top class in and fill the rest out with the academy and hot young talent.

Shappys been bang on today, young players don't get the chance. The biggest criticism is as a club we have lost our way. What are we most known for? Giving young players s chance.

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10 May 2019 18:06:07
so shappy, mort we should give young lads a chance by buying a unknown young player from swansea rather than giving our academy players a go? Also you both conveniently side stepped my question, isn't the whole point of replacing sanchez and martial to get someone better straight into the first 11? Is this kid better both?

Shappy what big names have we signed? Pogba, Lukaku, di maria and sanchez are the only big name players in prime that we have signed. Out of these sanchez was clear bust, di maria was poor managed as seen by the fact that he has scored 15+ goals in most of his seasons at PSG. Pogba has been misused and still is the best player at the club and Lukaku has been ok.

Signing 50 year olds like Zlatan and schweinsteiger or paying big money for the matics schneiderlins and freds of the world isn't spending money on big name players its spending big money of bang average players. We have spent money badly not on big names.

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10 May 2019 18:46:44
What does this mean for our young players in the academy.

If we are going to be buying players of his age to fill our squad then doesn't that block the path for Chong and co.

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10 May 2019 19:07:43
CSM, the academy lads need games. However, we have Valencia, Darmian, Rojo, Jones, Herrera, Mata, Sanchez, Pogba, Bailly, DDG and possibly Martial and Lukaku as players most people agree either need to leave or who want out. 12 players, obviously not all will leave, but there will be enough space in our squad for some summer signings and the academy lads.

What makes a big name player? Well that is subjective, just like what makes a player world class. It means different things to different people.

For me I would say anyone who plays regularly for their national team, especially if that national team is a highly ranked side that play in major tournaments such as the world cup then they for me are a big name player. Someone most casual football fans will have heard of. However, I accept people will have a different point of view on that.

I would argue that since Sir Alex retired a larger proportion of our signings have fallen into the category of big name or established player rather than young up and coming player with potential.

Mata, Fellaini, Herrera, Rojo, Di Maria, Blind, Falcao, Valdes, Darmian, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Romero, Ibrahimovic, Mkhitaryan, Pogba, Lukaku, Matic, Sanchez, Fred and Grant.

as apposed to: Shaw, Depay, Martial, Bailly, Lindelof and Dalot.

That's 26 players since Sir Alex retired. Only 6 of which I would consider young players with potential, although I would except that number going up to 7 to include a 23 year old Pogba. Although he was signed as a "big name" signing.

That's still 19 players established players, mostly internationals, mostly supposedly at the peak of their careers. Percentage terms we sign 75% of our players as established players, and 25% as young, hungry players with potential.

Now step back and look at those lists. Now how many of the established players have medium term future at our club? Romero, Lukaku and Fred maybe? That's 15%.

How many of the second group? 3-4? Shaw, Lindelof, Dalot and Martial. 50-65%.

That clearly highlights which types of signings have generally been more successful, especially more long term.

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10 May 2019 19:24:44
No Singh it doesn’t. If they are good enough they will make it.

Don’t be like the other gloom-mongers!

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10 May 2019 19:26:51
shappy and mort - both spot on. CSM you are missing the point. they are not saying that someone like James is going to replace sanchez or martial. these are the sort of signings that allow us to improve the squad and then look to bring in more finished articles. And btw James is very highly rated and is being chased by a few premier league clubs.

the issue with our fans is that we criticise if we go for galactico singings and also criticise when we go for young talented players. you can never win. i like the idea of going for young hungry players because there is less ego involved and it allows ole to build something long term. adding some youngsters and supplementing it with top talent and we are onto something exciting. let's just see what happens instead of putting a negative slant on everything that happens. it has made this site insufferable recently to be quite honest.

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10 May 2019 19:32:15
Singh, I think that really depends on how much of a shake up is planned. Chong plays RW, Gomes AM, Garner CM, Greenwood is a ST.
James plays LW. Add Martial, Rashford, Lingard and Lukaku then that's 8 players for 4 positions amongst our forwards. With only Mata and Sanchez departing from the first team. If anymore forwards depart then there would be more space.

That still feels like there will be plenty of chances.

I really do feel that we could see a two year cull of a large proportion of the first team with a longer term project in mind.
This could be an exciting new time in our clubs history.

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10 May 2019 19:38:48
Mort, I do like hot young talent.

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10 May 2019 20:27:19
The question you. should be asking is


If he signed wuold he fit the team

The answer is yes

And tbh he's prob better on the right than the likes of mata and lingard so judge the guy with what he does if he signs.

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10 May 2019 21:02:53
He's not unknown. Football does exist outside the EPL.

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10 May 2019 21:18:12
Well let's see. I don't think thwre is a need to buy young players unless we qre going for the very elite such as Felix or Sancho and if we can't get them then i rather give our academy players games.

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10 May 2019 21:45:01
I recall SAF buying Lee Sharpe from Torquay, and Coppell from Tranmere so we shouldn’t dismiss players. Looks pacy so maybe someone to take a chance on, perhaps a late developer. Can’t be a main signing. The worry is that it means the Sancho level signing is not on, and you worry it’s the cheap option, again. We can only judge when we have seen him play, unless it is just a ploy to claim we are interested to get his fee up

Swansea are said to be happy with £15m, however there is a disagreement over the fee as Woodward says he is only prepared to offer £20mil for such a talent.

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10 May 2019 22:00:53
I know SAF didn’t buy Coppell by the way, I was just remembering he was bought, before people jump on it.

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10 May 2019 23:11:34
It shouldn't stop anybodys chances if you show your good enough and put the effort in you will get a chance, that should be the attitude.

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10 May 2019 22:47:27
He did beat cole in a cup final though redman😂😂 i've not seen him but i would trust that giggs will have been asked about him so if there is any truth in this rumour then id would say he had a glowing reference.
Could be a masterstroke like Coppell or sharpe as you say. I don't see any negatives at all.

As for potentially blocking our youth players i don't see that as an issue. This is Manchester United you should expect competition and rise to the challenge. Those that are saying it blocks the youth would have no problem if it was greizman or sancho or the likes.
Looking as his stats and reading up on him his pace and movement are 2 of his core strengths. We lack both in our attack.
I'm looking forward to seeing him if he does sign. Funnily enough a signing like this appeals to me more than some of our more recent signings.

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11 May 2019 07:29:52
Ken

It is an investment signing, another I thought of was Gordon Hill. Seen the videos of this Swansea lad, looks good but it can be deceptive

One point though is if we are interested just go in and do the deal at that level of spending. Haggling or messing around can let others in once alerted.

As to the youth, the best come through no matter what such has to be the standard.

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11 May 2019 09:33:27
Singh
Would you of called sancho and felix, elite standard at the start of the season?
I like the look of James, the lad is seriously quick, works hard and still young . Could be a very interested signing . although his camp have said there has been no contact.

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11 May 2019 10:06:42
Jred

On the videos his balance looked good, able to keep the ball close to him under control whilst also have devastating straight line Bale in his prime uninjured type pace. It is the sort of signing that can be interesting, if true.

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10 May 2019 10:36:17
Hi Ed, is there any truth in Darren Fletcher being our new Director of Football? Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Twitter is this? I hope so.}

10 May 2019 15:28:27
Yeah, Fletcher as director of football, Evra as events organiser, Scholes as chief Scowler, Ferdinand as head scout, Beckham as head of promotions, Giggs as player marriage councillor, Neville as cheerleader, and Sir Alex is returning as God father in chief.

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10 May 2019 21:50:05
With the way the rumours are at the moment, I would not be surprised Shappy.

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10 May 2019 10:10:20
Phelan confirmed as Assistant Manager.
Just worried about our style of play going forward. Hope Ole is strong and in charge.

So who will now be the DoF, Technical or Sporting Director?

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10 May 2019 10:22:39
Ole isn’t strong. Phelan is getting a stranglehold over our style, as the Eds have alluded to. Now we just have to wait until Rio is appointed DOF, and we’ll have the full house.

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10 May 2019 11:01:10
Just hope we are wrong but fear we are not.

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10 May 2019 11:10:50
Not the best news, I thought we looked far more exciting before Phelan got his feet back under the table. Carrick and McKenna I think were enough. But let's wait and see.

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10 May 2019 08:13:14
4 English teams in the European finals. It shows the quality of our every day competition for them to be in that position.

Perhaps we aren't as bad as we think we are but the competition around us has raised their game to a place we can't compete with at the moment.

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10 May 2019 09:20:52
It just shows the great work klopp and pochetino have done. Arsenal and chelsea should really be making the europa league final given the resource disparity with the other teams.

Also with ronaldo out of real and messi inevitably going to decline the path could be clear for english teams to dominate in the champions league as they did in the 2000s. Surely only a matter of time that pep wins one with city if he sticks around long enough.

We are as bad as things suggest, technically and tactially we are miles behind the top teams and modern football in general. Then you have the clear work rate issue and the problems are compounding on us.

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10 May 2019 09:31:59
Good post TB I've been thinking the same myself. To be honest I've been waiting for a period of English dominance. With Ronaldo leaving Madrid, Messi will be unable to carry Barcelona for ever, Bayern will have to replace Robben, Ribbery and Lewandoski a new era is almost upon us.

We currently have the two best coaches in world football at City and Liverpool, Poch has done a brilliant job at Spurs, Emery has a wealth of European experience at Arsenal and Chelsea have always had the financial muscle to recover and change things quickly I expect English Clubs to continue to do well for the foreseeable future. You would have to except City to get very close over the next few seasons.

As for us I don't think things are as bad as they seem. A few quality additions in the right positions along with a clear identity of how we want to play will make a big difference.

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10 May 2019 14:29:50
It’s doom and gloom for us Utd fans at present but things can change quickly in football.

We won’t know how capable Utd are to close the gap next season until we know the extent of the in’s and out’s plus have a pre-season completed and can see our style of play.

Glad to see Nicky Butt speaking highly of Tuanzebe and that he is a first team player. Hope he is right.

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Review Of The Day 10th May 2019

10 May 2019 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 10th May 2019

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10 May 2019 08:13:39
Nice read on a damp day 🤣👍.

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{Ed001's Note - damp? Is that because you have tears of joy from watching Arsenal and Chelsea last night?}

10 May 2019 08:54:06
Pleeease no way.
It’s raining but the bright part is 4 English clubs in 2 major competition. I’m happy even though I’m Asian. Always supported English teams against others. Unfortunately I can’t say much about England team as much as Man Utd team (this season) .
I pray our team will improve next season 🙄🙄.

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10 May 2019 12:00:41
Since Schalke are confirming Wagner, any idea of what happens to Gerald Asamoah?

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{Ed001's Note - no idea sorry, he was only ever a caretaker there.}

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10 May 2019 16:09:14
Thanks Ed.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry I couldn't help.}

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10 May 2019 04:15:29
Mixed feelings.
Sad and disappointed with our state of club and where we are. However happy that it's an All-English CL and Europa Finals. It's doing great things for PL football. Hopefully a start to more good times to come.
Also I hope our Board members feel disgusted with their handling of the club and how bad we have become. Big and rich club is one thing. But if it doesn't come with great football and titles we will sooner or later lose our perch. We are already being overtaken as a biggest club. That could be the start of worse to come if we do not take a hard look at ourselves.
The Board needs to understand that WE ARE A FOOTBALL CLUB. Making money come with good football and titles. I'd rather be a 4th or 5th largest club but win titles than the biggest club in the world but yet can string a few titles.
My worst fear is that if we do not do the right thing we will become a mid table club soon. I'll die if we become a lower half table club if we are not careful.
Right now we still have the means in financial strength so we had better do a bloody proper job to strategize the next 2 years. I'd like to see Man Utd win at least another PL or CL title before I gone from this earth 🙄.
Till then I'll still be supporting the club.

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10 May 2019 08:01:40
I was thinking last night does the fact that we have a full English Europa and Champions League finals, along with City and Liverpool breaking records in the league just highlight how hard and how competitive the EPL has got this season?

Its easy to judge our performances based on what we have seen before. But the EPL is far more competitive than it ever was during Sir Alex's time in charge of the club.

Back then United had one serious challenger for the league, Arsenal, Chelsea and City at different points. But now there are genuinely 5-6 teams competing for the league.

Then you look at the quality of teams such as Wolves, Everton and Leicester all of them boost 40, 50 or even 70m players in their side.

Maybe we need to consider the quality of the opposition now when comparing our form to what it was back when.

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{Ed001's Note - no Shaps there is just two teams genuinely competing for the league.}

10 May 2019 08:52:36
Chelsea raised the bar many years ago when Jose first arrived. City have now raised it further and Liverpool have risen to the challenge. Right now I think they are the best 2 teams in Europe. As for Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, and day I say us, on their day able to put in a great performance against anybody but not able to do it consistently.

I think our challenge is to ship out the disruptive and negative influences, recruit we, get fit, work hard, adopt a clear style and focus on closing the gap. We could fail miserably or we could finish 3rd.

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10 May 2019 09:00:04
True Shapps.
That’s why I’m am saying if we are not careful we will be taken over as the other teams are showing their improvements. Their players show passion and wanting to make something of their stay in the club. For us, we do not have that many who wants to do that other than wanting more money and yet not doing much.
City and Pool are doing well but if you notice they didn’t do it overnight. It took them at least 3 years to make such a big gap with the rest. So I’m for us to build the team (with a proper plan and stick to it) to challenge in 3 years but a bonus if in 2 years. Get the right strategy and stick with and support the manager.

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10 May 2019 09:04:03
Good point AJH.
We need to buy strategically to complement the young team we want to build. Use the Europa to get the younger team more experience. Nothing really to lose but everything to win.
Key purchase of 2-3 senior players would help us go a long way I feel.

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10 May 2019 09:06:34
Ed001, in the end there was. However, if you look at the point tally's of the teams 3rd-5th they are at a level that would have made them serious challengers, even winners in some past years of the EPL.

Which is kind of my point, I did point out that Liverpool and City have had record breaking a record breaking season. Which has risen the bar even further.

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{Ed001's Note - but this is not a previous year. Those teams were nowhere near challenging at any point, no matter how much the media tried to include Spurs in it. There were just two teams challenging.}

10 May 2019 09:34:36
Good post AJH.

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10 May 2019 09:55:33
We need a marquee signing to put the faith back into the heart of the fans everywhere. Viva Ronaldo (age is just a number) 🤣🤣.

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10 May 2019 00:41:31
Lots of talk about the respective merits or otherwise of Moura and Lingard. I think it is unfair to Jesse to have a go at him when unlike Moura he has had injuries and also been playing in a team which has not had a defined way of playing for years,
and not had a manager who has instilled confidence into the team. More than that Moura plays in a team of very good players who for the most part are performing to a very high standard every week. Put Jesse in that Spurs team and he woukd thrive and shine. On another note I really do wonder if Alexis had a good pre season, was injury free and had the confidence of a manger to give him a run of ten games playing in a system that suits him, would finally be the talented goal scoring player he often was at Arsenal. I really think he could be.

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10 May 2019 07:16:29
Wouldn’t you be better comparing Moura and Sanchez as they were signed in the same window?

Really don’t understand why Lingard was dragged into this in the first place.

Better still, compare Lingard and Sanchez if you have to compare players.

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10 May 2019 08:23:09
Wazza, sadly I think Lingard got dragged into this because for some reason our fans love nothing more than having a pop at our homegrown players. This is nothing new, Butt, Phil Neville, Brown, O'Shea, Fletcher, Lingard, Rashford, McTominay etc etc etc. Have all been slammed by our fans. The common slur is that they would never have played for the club had they not been homegrown. Which is absolute rubbish. All of them are/ have been better than players the club have spent a lot of money on. Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson, Obertan, Anderson, Smith, Young, Falcao, Blind, Schneiderlin and of course Sanchez. The player many have now pointed out should be the one we compare with Lucas Moura.

For some reason fans seem to think the homegrown lads get an easier ride of it. That they get some sort of favouritism. Which isn't true. They have to fight for their chances, it is so much harder breaking through at a top club where you have to displace potentially world class players who cost millions of pounds to get a look in. Where you get 10 minutes here or there, occasionally a game in the league cup. No real chance to play yourself into form, or get a run of games. Only what you do in training, and if you have a manager brave enough to back you and give you a chance.

Our homegrown lads have fought far harder for their chances in our side than any player plucked from another side.

Rashford had to fight Martial for a starting spot on the left, no one ever suggests it was Martial who had to fight for it with Rashford. Then the club go and sign Sanchez and no amount of hard work or fight or even performances made a difference. Rashford was dropped for the new guy no questions asked. Then when Sanchez was playing badly was he dropped instantly? No he was given a run of games to "play" himself into form. A luxury never afforded to any of our homegrown players.

McTominay was one of our best players when we beat PSG, he was dropped for Matic the moment Matic was fit. He was one of our best players in the second leg against Barcelona. Then dropped again soon after.

These lads fight hard for there chances. There are 35-45 players in our under 18's and under 23's. If 2 or 3 make it into the first team that is considered a success. That's the best part of 40 players who don't make it who for the most part work exceptionally hard, who give their all but never get the chance. Some obviously aren't quite good enough, some aren't good enough yet but is afforded a little more time could be. Others are just unfortunate enough to play in a position where they never get a chance.

I think it's disgusting how quickly our fans turn on these lads, how they make them scapegoats. That is something that is deeply wrong with our club, and it has nothing to do with the owners or the board or the manager. That is on us.

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10 May 2019 08:57:09
All these sexy foreigners must be better than our own home grown lads mustn’t they? Lingard has scored some very important goals and was in great form, he got injured and hasn’t looked the same since. One think I do know is he cares. Same for McTominay. People on here have already been referring to McTominay as just a squad player, it does my head in. He’s a young lad, he’s seized his chance and got better and better as the season has worn on. He’s another one who clearly cares passionately.

Right now, nobody is playing well yet here we are singling out Lingard. How about if we’d signed Laporte instead of Bailly, or Silva instead of Pogba, or Kanye instead of can find a ‘better’ player in almost every position if you look hard enough.

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10 May 2019 09:01:47
That's a brilliant post Shappy completely agree pal!

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10 May 2019 10:04:52
Shappy, whilst i agree to your sentiment but you do realise you have cherry picked the failed transfers to compare. How about you do a comparison with a list that includes Rooney, Chicharito, Zlatan, van Persie, Ronaldo, van NIstelrooy. Heck even Fellaini scored a few very important goals for us while he was here but he wasnt ever given the amount of respect you are asking for Lingard. The reason for that is because he was born in a locality near you and not Belgium.

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10 May 2019 12:51:13
I'm calling it now DLIB and Shappy are the same person 😂.

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10 May 2019 12:57:57
Shappy, AJH, agreed as usual. A fancy name goes a long way to buying good will with blinkered fans.

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10 May 2019 13:16:55
Angel, I've thought that myself sometimes 🤣.

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10 May 2019 13:22:07
United Addict, I think he picked the failed transfers for a reason.

His whole point, I think, was that the players brought through the academy aren't given the chances that even our worst transfers are given. We buy in players who don't work, and yet they are given chance after chance, but we have youngsters who might make it, but we'll never find out because they aren't given a chance, and others who might not quite be good enough.

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10 May 2019 13:57:02
I agree Thorne but just putting it out there like vanilla that these players aren't given a chance is incorrect. How many players have we tried putting in from the academy. Nick Powell (the next Scholes), Cleverley (the brand and another "the next Scholes"), Januzaj, Welbeck, Macheda etc etc etc. There are many that have been given a chance. So the point that i am trying to say is that for every Djemba Djemba there is a Powell who has been given a chance. Yes Sanchez has been a failed transfer here but when he was signed, we didn't know and name me one manager who would have said i would play Rashford ahead of Sanchez. Yes Sanchez has been miserable but Rashford has only been a millimeter ahead in that poorness scale.

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10 May 2019 14:13:42
Thorne,

That's exactly my point. We bought Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger and let Danny Drinkwater leave having never gave him a chance. Within 3 years he has won the league with Leicester city playing a key role in that success. He then gets a move to Chelsea. It might not have worked out at Chelsea and no one is saying Drinkwater is a world class player. However, I think he would have done just as well, possibly even better than Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger managed, but he was never given a chance.

If the fans get on these players backs and don't have the patience needed with these young lads then it makes it harder for them to breakthrough.

All I'm suggesting is we give them as much a chance as we do with the players we sign. Is that really an unfair thing to ask?

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10 May 2019 16:01:34
United Addict, all bar Januzaj were given their chances under Sir Alex. Januzaj was thrown in by Moyes. He was then shipped out on loan by LvG and promptly sold by Mourinho.

Now none of those players lived up to their potential yet it can be argued that several offered more to our squad than many of the expensive flops. Cleverley and Welbeck although not world class offered our squad far more than Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson, Obertan or Bebe who were all signed to play in similar roles.

Macheda and Powell let it go to their heads. It's a shame but sometimes it goes that way.

You didn't mention players like Butt, Phil Neville, Fletcher, Brown, Evans or O'Shea. All had solid United careers.

What about players like Bardsley, Drinkwater, Michael Keane, Richardson? Good solid pro's who would be better than many of the "squad" players we have signed such as Darmian, Miller, Rojo and Buttner.

I also think my point seems slightly lost on you, or at least your missing the key part of it. Playing 10 minutes here and there, or one league cup game a month for half a season isn't the same as being given a chance. That's closer to token games to keep you happy and rest a player the manager actually intends to utilise.

Sanchez hasn't been given a few minutes here or there to show what he can do. He was given an extended run in the team. Even though he was playing poorly he was afforded more time to "play" himself back into form. That is a luxury none of our academy lads are given.

I feel the fans hold our youngsters up to an impossibly high standard to sustain. Rashford case in point slated for every tiny mistake he makes. Yet a 21 year old Rooney or Ronaldo were given a pass. We accepted they were learning the game so would make mistakes from time to time. But our own youngsters aren't given that same freedom by fans.

You see it on here every week. The team plays badly and loses, and the fans are lining up to place the blame at the door of the young homegrown lad. Fletcher, Cleverley, Evans, Welbeck, Lingard, Rashford and McTominay are always the ones to blame for poor performances not the supposed world class experienced players that were playing next to them. It's almost like fans begrudge a homegrown youngster for filling a space that could be filled by a big name fancy signing. Not that the loss is their fault for playing badly per se, but their mere existence has stop the club from signing the latest flavour of the month.

Keane or RvN or Vidic never got blamed when United lost even though they were the senior pro's in the side, it was Fletcher's fault as his existence meant the club didn't sign Seedorf, or Makelele or whoever.

The second issue seems to be that managers, possibly under pressure to make sure their expensive signings work out, seem to give more faith in those signing than in the homegrown youngsters. I imagine its easier to say to a young Drinkwater that your not playing this week than it is to a senior pro whom the club had spent millions on signing.

Either way it means these lads do not get a fair chance, if you were to compare the minutes played and the distribution of those minutes of the entire squad you would see that our academy graduates account for very few minutes overall. You would also see than many of the players most fans see as "not good enough" play surprisingly more minutes than talented young prospects who play in the same positions.

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10 May 2019 18:35:50
United Addict, what utter tosh. I highlighted the players who have signed and not done well to point out the number of bad signings we have made that could have blocked the path of an equally or potentially better player coming through the academy.

Can anyone say Rojo has performed better than TFM or Tuanzebe could of?

We have lads who aren't born in or near Manchester in the academy who deserve a chance. For me Chong offers as much if not more than Sanchez. Chong wasn't born in Manchester, he wasn't even born in England.

I don't know why you seem to want to make this a xenophobia thing, it isn't. Certainly not with me. It has nothing to do with where your born, who you worship or the colour of your skin.

I believe homegrown lads (i. e lads who have come through the academy) deserve a chance at least equal to those who are bought in by the club. An argument could be made to even favour them, and why not? Why not favour the lads who support the club, who want what is best for the club, who would run through brick walls for the club over mercenaries who want to play for the club for the prestige and money it offers them.

Now that's not to say that is true of every lad to come through the academy or every player the club have signed.

Personally, for me all players, whether they have come through the academy or have signed for the club should be treated equally. There should be no difference. Both your get equal opportunities to play. At the moment my problem is that it is heavily tilted against the academy lads, and to make it worse the fans often seem to pick on them and put unequal amounts of pressure and expectation on them.

For me I am as excited maybe even more so at the prospect of Tuanzebe, Chong, Gomes, Garner and Greenwood possibly making their breakthrough next season as I am about any potential transfer the club bring in.

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10 May 2019 18:37:17
United Addict, what does nationality have to do with it?

I'm talking about academy players who are from all over the world. Chong wasn't born locally.

All I want is for there to be a level of equality between the chances and opportunities afforded the "homegrown" lads as there are for the players we sign. At the moment it is heavily tilted in favour of the players we sign.

The reason I pointed to the signing that didn't work out was to highlight that not all signing work out. Yet many of these signing blocked the path of academy players. Now those players may or may not have been able to perform to a similar level or even a better level than those signed. My point is they were never given the chance.

We signed Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger while selling Danny Drinkwater with him never really being given a chance. He then went on to play a key role in Leicester winning the league. He might not be world class but he could have done at least as well as Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger, maybe even a shade better. But was never given that chance.

This is my point, if these lads were supported more by the fans and shown at least as much patience as we show the big money signings then maybe a few more of these lads could breakthrough and maybe we would have a few more first teams who actually give a damn about the club.

People are writing off Rashford and Lingard, yet there are still some who want to give Sanchez a chance and say that maybe he can perform for us next season if he has a good pre-season, and if the team set up differently next season. Where is that patience for Rashford or Lingard? It has nothing to do with where they are born, however, neither Rashford or Lingard walked off against Huddersfield unprepared to fight for the club. Maybe because they have come through the academy the club means more to them. Maybe not. But considering that most fans top concern is a lack of effort made by players, maybe we should appreciate the effort put in by the players who are working hard. Whether we paid a large fee for them or not.

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10 May 2019 21:07:16
You talking to yourself, Shaps?

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10 May 2019 22:19:39
Stevie, sometimes that's the only way I can get any sense on here. 🤣

On a serious note, I replied but it didn't get posted so I rewrote it a couple of times. Not sure what happened, apparently they all made it through much later. I'm not worried. Broad enough shoulders to take a little ribbing.

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09 May 2019 23:25:25
Try and enjoy the last game of the season folks. I'll be back on here around the start of next season, far too negative on here for my liking at the moment. As a fan base if we can't give someone like ole a chance then I don't know anymore. Proves Ed002 right I'm afraid.

Anyway, everyone take care. Enjoy any summer holidays planned and stay safe. Will still be lurking for some transfer info from Ed002 (good luck for the summer window) .

Take care folks.

Caolán.

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10 May 2019 01:59:13
Enjoy your break Caolan. Yes people may be negative but often alas it's with justification. Does not mean they don't support the team and spent want the team to do well. Even when we were winning everything some people still complained. It's just how some people are.

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10 May 2019 08:29:57
Enjoy the break Caolan, sometimes a break is needed. I'm considering taking one myself.

Salford, no doubt everyone supports the club. But it appears everyone has a completely different idea about what support is. For me supporting the club means giving exactly what I would expect in return from someone I was in a relationship with.
Others though seem to be lying in wait to say "I told you so", to them being right is more important than the club doing well. They can't be wrong, its too damaging to their delicate egos.

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10 May 2019 07:21:13
Caolan I can understand your decision as I’ve been close to taking a break from this site over the past few days.

Every post is repetitive moaning from the same people or noobs who haven’t read the previous posts but have come on to vent. I understand how the Ed’s feel reading the same questions repeatedly. Now we’re reading about Ed W, recruitment and how Wolves and Everton are going to take over us on every other post.

I like this site though it’s full of good folk who are argue their points validly. But the content for a couple of weeks now has been abysmal reading.

002 I know you've provided lengthy updates on some pages (including ours), but can we expect a Sharkopod any time soon? Be lovely to have something positive to discuss!

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10 May 2019 09:22:24
Wazza, I don't know if a Sharkopod would lift the mood. I'd imagine if we are linked to big names people will complain we are making the same mistakes, and if we are linked to younger up and coming lads they will complain that we are buying from the "second or third tier" of players whatever that is.

Unfortunately we have been rubbish, and City and Liverpool have been brilliant. So the supporters are having a temper tantrum and turning on the club and everyone connected to it.

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{Ed002's Note - It will be at least a couple of weeks as I am very busy.}

10 May 2019 09:30:17
No worries, Ed002. Whenever you get the chance it will be appreciated. Thanks for all the work you and the other Ed's put in. It can't have been fun editing the United page this season. I know the transfer windows are particularly busy for you guys. So thanks again.

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{Ed002's Note - Thanks.}

10 May 2019 12:01:44
Caolan -enjoy your break; I'm doing the same as of now until whenever- enjoyed the what was banter but tbh find the site a bit of a war zone lately (probably building up to the summer window) with people getting shot down for opinions, which at the end of the day, is what football fans are about!
Enjoy the summer 1 and all and will look forward to cheering on utd alongside at OT next season.

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