Manchester United Banter Archive November 10 2012

 

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10 Nov 2012 23:12:55
Were those persons who were shouting during the minute silence, villa or united fans. F***ing disgraceful

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They were scum, regardless of what colour shirt they were wearing.

DodgyBanter

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10 Nov 2012 22:02:35
See young Pogba appears to be causing his new bosses a little trouble. Perhaps there was more to it than just more money or playing time.

StevieK

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There was a reason we sold him, Fergie could see the talent, but his attitude and crave for money overcome him.

-JakeW

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Except, during the whole saga, AF maintained that he was trying his hardest to keep Pogba. Pogba jumped, he wasn't pushed.

Percy

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11 Nov 2012 04:56:29
We wanted to keep him, make no mistake about it. He will be world class. Late on a couple of occassions.... how often are any of you guys late for work?!

Whistler.

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10 Nov 2012 21:31:04
The defence will probably keep getting bashed by people but surely the midfield has to take the blame Carrick is a strange player he is neither defensively or offensively strong and doesnt have the legs to go box to box we need an anchorman and I believe with what we have got that is Fletcher and then next to him someone who can attack and get back when needed so Anderson or Cleverley they have energy and can be a threat in the oppositions box. On to Valencia... I think he is class but what is he thinking so far this season he hasnt took players on like he did lest season his crossing ahas been shambolic bar a couple and he has this thing now where he turns back quite often to pass it backwards.... He also has started to either smash the ball as hard as he can across goal or float it as soft as possible why not just cross like a normal person. Rooney has been shocking this season I do not care what people say about his work rate at the end of the day he is a striker and he keeps trying to do dummies and flicks and little fancy touches and he is losing the ball far too much in key areas.... Also I am not keen on one up front which is how we play pretty much due to Rooney constantly deep .... We need two up top in Hernandez and RVP both play better for it and they do not get isolated as much but this means a formation needs to be thought of and I think either 4312 with Cleverley, Anderson and Fletcher behind Rooney behind RVP and Chicharito or the diamond with no wingers.

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Kagawa?
Nathan

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I know this sounds crazy but an attainable solution might be we swap Nani for Sneider and with one more midfield acquisition during the jan window this team can go places.

De Gea

Rafael- Smalling- Evans- Evra

Valencia --- NP -- Sneider

Kagawa

RVP--- Rooney

It would be a 4312 formation but with quite a lot of flexibility as we still have Welback, young, hernandez,Jones, Fletcher, Scholes, Anderson, Cleverly, Vidic, Ferdinand who can be rotated given the number of games we play and injuries.

Finally, who would be the perfect midfield acquisition is another question but i would like to see someone who is a distributor of the ball and has pace.

I do not believe our defense is as bad as everyone thinks but it is more a function of a lousy midfield that gets run over and our entire defense is then pulled out of shape to cover holes.

Shahram

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10 Nov 2012 21:19:03
Well another one of those games. I guess most people are tired of this but for the deluded including SAF who talks up champions league glory, this is a team crying for two midfielders and until we get that sorted we will win nothing and that includes the pl.

Shahram

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Why do I get the funny feeling that you want the team to fail so that you can tell us 'I-told-you-so'? It about team work not players with fancy names. Just have some sort or even a little bit of faith in the team. Is that too much to ask from a fan?
FEH!

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That is complete bs and why would I want the team to fail. Watching this script almost every game is not what you expect from a club that is one of the biggest in the world.

I am being realistic and fed up with the selections and set up. SAF can talk about comebacks all he wants but against better teams we will not be allowed to come back.

Absolute stinker of a midfield and quite frankly don't understand how we have let it get to this level.

Shahram

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10 Nov 2012 21:17:37
getting a bit fed up of all the knee jerk reactions on here, it is getting pretty rediculous at this stage. every time one of our players has a poor game they automatically need to be got rid of. players cant play great every game, even great players like keane and robson, cantona etc.. had poor games. when we play badly everyone says the manager is past it, blame his tactics. ok we were poor today, but we won thats the main thing we cannot expect for teams to roll over for us, sometimes they will play well too. We are 4 points clear at the top of the table not in the relegation zone, get a grip please!!! we are united, we are proud of our club, our players, and our manager, we do not turn on them because they play badly, we can leave that to the liverpool and arsenal fans.

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10 Nov 2012 21:14:38
I know we can look at defending this season, but so far it's been one of my favourites, 8 comebacks already! Last season we won 0 games from loosing positions in the premier league.

But the biggest comeback king of all has to be Chicharito, many including myself unhappily doubted he'd get his confidence back but now he's holding his own next to the world class Rooney and RVP.

And he didn't do it by demanding more playing time, he didn't demand a better contract for being left on the bench and threatening to leave. He accepted he wasn't good enough and worked until he was.

In a world of material posturing, arrogance, show boating, crying millionaires and general Ballotelli-ing it's re-assuring to see that nice guys sometimes finish 1st.

Red Joe

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Great post on Hernandez, he's really blossoming of late following his outbreak of '2nd season syndrome'. I really appreciate his single minded approach to the game so I'm glad it's coming off for him this year

Gav

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When we are playing I almost want to go down 1-0 beccause we will always comeback!

19-20 MUFC

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10 Nov 2012 21:09:15
Where are all the 'Hernandez was a one season wonder' people now?

Hoppy

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Not me mate and feel free to do a search. I have always maintained that if we play with a decent tempo and speed and he is deadly and said before the season started he would have a big year.

He is pure striker in terms of what you want playing high up the pitch and making runs. whilst Nani is probably worth 12 million his worth is above 25 million any day. Strikers who can score are hard to find. Love the kid.

Shahram

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10 Nov 2012 21:39:32
he was off form its only natural to ask questions. jeez so hes scored a few its no need to go crazy either, if he doesnt score for a while the same worries will start because he doesnt have much else about his game apart from bein a master poacher

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I can understand why after he didn't really get going last season, but it's the old saying 'Form is temporary, Class is permanent' which could also apply to Nani as well.

Hoppy

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He has added more to him game this year, he means business!

DodgyBanter

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Apart form Nani has neither!

Andy S

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Hernandez is not a main central striker and cannot play well with his back to goal , his touch and hold up play is not up to that. Given RVPs arrival we can now use him differently and he can run onto things, the opposition are struggling to cut off his runs as they did when it was only him, that in my opinion is why he has improved and is scoring. He was at risk of being sold but as long as he isn't the focal point of our attack he can score goals, especially as the opposition are afraid of RVP so are focussing on him and away from Hernandez.

Red Man

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10 Nov 2012 21:03:11
What has happend 2 valencia he couldn't cross a coupon looks like he has lost a yard of pace 2???

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Its not about pace. the lack of pace was in our play, he doesnt lack pace. Its a bit of a combination of the genious of paul lambert ( who is actually a great tactician ) and the lack of tactical awareness of feergie, and the fact that valencia cant play well unless we re playing fast football.

Mick

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Carrick is the problem. Too slow getting the ball from defence to attack thus allowing opposing teams to set themselves defensively. We alaways used to hit teams with pace but that seems to have gone lately. Carrick is so bad he won't even do us a favour and get injured( sorry)

Bullseye50

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Carrick is still our best midfielder and does a lot of small things that go unnoticed. Scholes is just too slow and that combination this year has been terrible for us.
Shahram

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10 Nov 2012 20:56:22
Well I thought we were largely rubbish, but I knew we would be when I saw the team selection. Not going to disect the performance though - just want to say that Hernandez is brilliant right now. When Ronaldo was here and was on the bench or something I was always waiting for him to come on, especially if we were losing. Now I'm not saying that Hernandez is anywhere near Ronaldo, but he gives me that same feeling. When we're down I keep thinking 'wheres Hernandez', 'bring Hernandez on'. I'm glad he's turned it around and we're keeping a hold of him.

Fresh!

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Fresh spot on. Its RVP and Hernandez at the moment who change the game for us.

I am not looking to start a debate but Rooney's play is just a mystery to me, he is not good enough as a midfielder and plays way too deep for a striker and to me is a selection headache for SAF as far as where he plays other guys and who plays. I know his work rate is what everyone talks about but where are the goals.

Shahram

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Shahram

Yes you are so right. Its such a mystery that even after missing 4 games he has still the joint highest assists. Selection headache? Yes, we looked so feckin sublime when he was not playing. Where are the goals? Look at his record and you will see, when and how the goals would come from. He is not good enough isent he? RVP playing even better with him in the team is just a coincidence innit?

Deeps...

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10 Nov 2012 20:30:38
Is this united's best points return from 11 games? Probably, not listening to 'weak midfield' rubbish, we are flowing and to be honest if the other team scores 10 I'd bet we would score 11 , that's the united I love.

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11 Nov 2012 01:35:00
city scored 6. we scored 1. we will soon get sussed out if we keep these poor displays up, as excitin as they are

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No name,

That was last season, if you can't see the improvement from last season you must be blind.

GDS

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10 Nov 2012 20:26:37
All this Valencia criticism shows how educated some of the posters here are. Ill be the first to admit that he has done nothing of worth this game, but the blame is 100 % on Ferguson.

4-4-2 is an all out attacking formation You play wingers with pace who destroy the opposition fullbacks on the counter and whip in crosses.
But with Carrick and Scholes in the team, there is no such thing as fast tempo.

Everytime scholes or carrick get the ball, more often than not they will pass it to valencia. And with the opposition team defending in numbers, valencia is pinned on the right hand side with at least 3 opposing players standing betwen him and any other united player.

Alex fergusn's pathethic tactics allowed aston villa to simply marc AV out of the game. If cleverley/scholes started instead of scholes, the tempo would be much faster, we would be attacking much more through the middle, therefore creating more space on the wings for valencia and rafael to come running at the left back.

But because of the fact we had a midfield of carrick and scholes, the penetration was close to none so we had to shift the ball wide, with valencia trapped there. With no room to run at the left back, valencia could do nothing. I strongly beleive that no winger in the world would be able to beat the fullback in these conditions.

Now stop blaming the players for one second and just concentrate on how pathethic fergy's team selection was. He singlehandedly destroyed any threat that could come from valencia ( or Young for that matter ) when he chose the slowest central midfield pairing ever known to mankind against a team that will sit back and play on the counter attack.

Mick

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I disagree massively, when Valencia was effective last season, it was generally Carrick and Scholes in CM. I think it's a combination of terrible form and fullbacks knowing how to deal with him.

Percy

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It is the team selection. That is why Valencia is far more useful on the break. He is constantly having to be two men, and unfortunatly he doesn't have enough game to come inside on his left foot and do something different. Not saying he isn't good, but we just have to use him properly!

Fresh!

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Percy, if you look at valencia's best moments last year was on the break. He is blessed with unbeleivable pace and physical presence. But in this game, villa got 10 men behind the ball which made it impossible for valencia to find space. Thats why scholes should have been taken out at half time. When cleverley came in and we upped the tempo valencia started playing better.

Now i agree valencia needs a certain type of approach to play well. We need to be playing fast attacking football and we cant achieve that with carrick and scholes.

Mick

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Percy does not like Valencia because he blocks his beloved Nani

Villa yesterday recognised that Valencia was a major threat and every time we attacked down the right they doubled up on him. With Scholes and Carrick forming a slow centre midfield we don't shift the ball quickly enough and Villa sat deep leaving little space. They also knew Young cuts back all the time. Villa played to cut our effectiveness in wide areas and break quickly through the middle against the very slow pair. It meant Valencia didn't have the service and he hasn't been on top of his form recently. We need a new left sided player, Isco or Rodriguez have been mentioned and I saw Isco briefly and was impressed.

Red Man

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10 Nov 2012 20:24:22
I know im going to get grief for this but am I the only one who thinks Carrick is the wrong player for this team? He's dependable, dependably slow paced. He reads the game well but doesnt have the aggression to boss the midfield, he passes well but not snappy enough to cause the other team any problems, hes not defensive or attacking what is the point?
I know im going to be told how hes consistently one of our best players but I guess I just dont know football

snakey

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If I had my way we would only have Fletch and clevs from what we have now. Maybe Scholes as a distant backup.

Jono

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There are two glarring changes I would make to this team. Get Wanyama in for Carrick and then get Baines in for Evra.

Fresh!

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I'm sure you won't be the only person as he does seem to divide opinion. My view...he does an awful lot of unappreciated work, rarely lets us down and with the right partner is an asset. I'm sure I'll be put right by some fellow posters though!

AJH

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10 Nov 2012 20:21:05
I have been one of those who was doubting Saf's decision to stick to Chicha and Anderson while you guys also believed that they needed time...,as from today all my trust to Saf ,he has proved me wrong and shown me why he stuck to his players

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Carrick is the issue. 90% of his passes are safe...sideways or backwards. He does not take on players, drive us on or defend. So why is he in the team at all?
Anderson's first reaction is to run at the opposition hence driving them backwards taking the pressure off our defence.

Bullseye50

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10 Nov 2012 20:15:56
When we went 2 nil down I just felt we still had a chance. Hernandez has found the knack of being in the right place again but the delivery was important. Villa got their tactics right for just over half the game. They doubled up on Valencia and in the first half knew Young would only turn inside, they broke quickly and our central midfield just couldn't keep up.

The issue tonight was the managers original team selection. I have a lot of respect for Gary Neville , he realised he could no longer maintain the required standard, if Paul Scholes looks at where he is, he will announce his retirement tonight. Frankly he was embarrassing tonight, if you want someone to stand on a spot and pass a ball he will give you that but football is far more that. He has gone beyond the level of a Manchester United player and now he should take the decision out our managers hands and retire. When we had Anderson and Cleverley on there was more energy , not enough quality but more energy.

We won , great comeback, but Scholes needs to recognise he is now past it and take it out of our managers hands who seems incapable of making that decision.
We got out of jail but we can't do that every time.

Red Man

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I believed to the tune of a tenner on Utd win at half time. If I had waited 5 mins I would have got far better odds ha.

I fully agree with your point. I have said they SAF showing faith in him and Giggsy starting is allowing the joke to continue. If bit retired and said no to and SAF requests then maybe, just maybe he would buy a top
Class CM or 2.

Might be the the boot up the arse SAF needs as he would realise he was seeing something in them that even they knew themselves wasnt there anymore.

Jono

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Poor post mate. Scholes gives the ball away nowadays,when he rarely did and he has clearly lost his pace. However, he still has a role to play this year, perhaps not as a starter, so to demand he retires immediately is a tad misguided.

AJH

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10 Nov 2012 20:13:48
Before I start slating the team, I would like to congratulate Hernandez and his incredible return to form! When he's in that sort of mood, I have no problem saying he's the best finisher you'll see.

Now, on to the negatives, the worst of which being Valencia. Never have I seen such a poor display from a United winger, he was awful going forward and was pretty poor at defending as well, the fact that he wasn't good as a poor Ashley Young says it all. Scholes was also dismal, and the rest of the team were fairly average. The lack of Evans really showed as well.

This is the team I think should start the next match:

________De Gea
Rafael_Evans_Smalling_Evra
Anderson_Rooney_Cleverley
___Nani_Hernandez_RVP

I think that Hernandez has played his way into the side (Like Anderson), whilst Valencia and Young have played their way out of it. No doubt I'll get abuse for this, but if Nani had a game like that (I don't recall ever seeing him play so poorly) there would be the usual calls for selling him. At the moment, with the wings it's a matter of playing into form, for me, Valencia has had enough chances and Nani is better on form anyway.

Percy

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Nani is injured and dreadful so sorry but no, do you deliberately say stuff like that to wind people up?

GDS

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Percy, I can't take you seriously any more. Valencia had a very patchy game but he was still a threat. Stop with the Nani worship - he has been very poor very often.

AJH

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You make sensible points, and then you say really stupid stuff like 'I never recall Nani playing that badly' - try the last 5 games he has played, the 09 CL final against Barca. You have rose tinted glasses towards Nani and it is quite frankly a bit childish. Nani at his best is good enough, but Nani currently isn't and there is no sign of improvement from him.

Fresh!

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He has a slight niggle, he'll more than likely be good to go for Norwich. I see no way around it. Unless we don't play wingers, which is another possibility.

Percy

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So Toni has gazzumpt Nanis countless disgraceful performances according to you and that justifies a Nani recall?

Man what are you on? The bare minimum Toni gives is effort both ways and that is automatically more than Nani!

On top of that Nani has been sh*te in every outing this season where as Toni has had a couple of off games.

I agree that the team you had was almost the best if you had Nani out Rooney as the third striker and Fletch in the midfield three.

Fletch deserves a game far more than Nani every day of the week.

Jono

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I would like to see this team.

____________DDG
Rafael__Smalls___Evans__Evra
__________Fletcher_________
_____Carrick_______Ando____
___________Rooney_________
_______Chicha___RVP________

I would like to see Carrick be a little more adventurous with the ball and more attack minded because he is awful as a deeper played player....

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10 Nov 2012 21:51:54
lets be honest valencia has been woeful all season. cant see him coming back from it and tbh he neva had bags off skill like nani, jus relied on pace and defenders know how to deal with him now. nani is better when on form but cant see him comin bk to best either...in my opinion as much as i like them both non are good enough and should be sold at end ov the season

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10 Nov 2012 20:14:20
I'm fairly certain that at the rate We are going this season, United are going to lose a lot of fans to heart attacks.

SK

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10 Nov 2012 19:53:26
Those of you who criticised DDG should see this game to see how much he has improved.

Villa plied on the pressure with crosses and he came and cleared the right balls, and stated at home at the right times.

Couple of saves, don't blame him for the their goals... Unsighted and no chance.

He looked to be communicating well, a few times Ferdy left the ball through to him after a call.

He is quickly becoming world class IMO.

Well done to the rest of the lads:

Hernandez is class at the moment,

RVP was unlucky,

Rafael is a united great in the making,

Ferdy played well-but his pace is a worry,

Evra is still improved this season,

Young was woefull - Booed off his game, not what I'd expect from a Utd player,

Rooney was tidy without creating much,

Scholes is still class, but surely must retire soon,

Smalling is showing what we've been missing (but had to be stronger for the goal),

Valencia played well - surprised he couldn't beat his man more, but he was still effective and our biggest source of danger.

DodgyBanter

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Was I watching the wrong game or something? Scholes and particularly Valencia were our worst players today and that's saying a lot, considering the standard of the other players!

Percy

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Percy, yes you must have been watching a different game. Valencia was patchy but still caused problems.

AJH

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There aren't many players in world football who could have played the assist pass to Hernandez - there are some, but not many. Scholes kept probing and shifting the ball out to AV in space or into forwards feet. His energy and running are not there... So like I said... Class but surely must retire soon.

I'm not the biggest fan of AV, but today I thought he did ok.... Again, like I said, I'm surprised he couldn't beat his man more, but he was one of our only sources of danger.

When a team sits back and plays on the break like that it is always going to be tough to break them down. Credit to Villas back four, they played very well, and we are sitting pretty atop the table with our rivals under pressure tomorrow :)

DodgyBanter

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10 Nov 2012 19:48:45
A weak midfield makes our weakfish defence more vulnerable. Schole great on the ball but hasn't got the legs to get back and Carrick absorbs al our effort and energy. As soon as the ball goes to him we slow down. Fletcher Anderson and Cleverley as the midfield three and RVP, Rooney and Hernandez as the front three.

Our new style of play does not suit Valencia and perhaps Young. Maybe have Powell on bench to slowly blood him with 10-20 mins sub appearances and play him in an attacking role.



Mad Hatter

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10 Nov 2012 19:45:19
We have we learned today?

- Scholes should never start again, Anderson or Clev should have, Scholes can be an impact substitute.

- RVP, Chicharito and Rooney should all start, maybe a 4-3-3 and try playing without wingers.

- Smalling is getting better within two games, looking good for him.

- Evra needs to remember he is a LB not a LW.

- Valencia hasn't been himself, where is the Valencia who sped past his man and crossed it in? All he does now is stand still and try to do a Nani.

- And finally, Fergie tried to fix something which wasn't broken, start Cleverley or Anderson over Scholes, it just doesn't work.

-JakeW

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Jake, valencia against braga stormed past his marker time and time again. The game was open and he had room to run.

By playing carrick and scholes in midfield, ou play slowed down considerably, allowing the opposing team to regroup and get behind the ball before the ball got to valencia, who had no room to be able to run at defenders.

Mick

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Definatly think that Scholes should come on for the last 20 minutes / half hour to kill off games with his passing. He doesn't have the legs to operate in a midfield two.

Fresh!

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And a 4-3-3 without wingers would work well I think because none of them are all that great at the minute - that may be because they can't adjust to new systems. I would play:

___________De Gea
Rafael__Smalling__Evans__Evra
_____Ando___Fletch___Clevs
____Rooney__Chicha__RVP

That would be better in the next game. And then when Kagawa comes back rotate him and Anderson.

Fresh!

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10 Nov 2012 19:25:26
hernandez you beast, Has to start from now on til the season . he has to be given time to show the world what hes capable of . Or else some team will come for him and snatch him away.

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10 Nov 2012 19:09:17
not one cross has worked today, waste of time

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Accept for the two goals eh?!

DodgyBanter

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10 Nov 2012 19:03:26
I just dont think it is our day... RVP been ridiculously unlucky in a matter of seconds hi.t the bar twice.

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10 Nov 2012 19:02:09
De Gea has saved us so many times this season from dropping points. I dont blame him for the first goal since agbonlahor was in his and it was hit like a rocket.
He made another great save which could ending up saving us from losing.

Also im kinda dissapointed scholes went for cleverly instead of anderson. Shows he prefers cleverly imo :(

James

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10 Nov 2012 18:52:09
Hernandez once again changes the game we need him to start with RVP and then Rooney behind them.

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10 Nov 2012 18:45:55
I said this last week and im gunna say it again.

I freaking love hernandez

James

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10 Nov 2012 18:45:40
2-0 down thongs are looking bad :(

19-20 MUFC

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Thongs always look bad ;)

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10 Nov 2012 18:37:37
Oh god give me strength.

-JakeW

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10 Nov 2012 18:34:11
what are the wingers trying to do? kill the fullbacks! so bad at crossing, funny how few months back ppl wer saying valenca si the best winger in the world!haha so 1 dimensional gets the ball tries to put it on his right , fails passes it back 30 yards, long time since iv enjoyed a united game! our football is boring and predictable atleast if anderson and cleverly were playing they'd learn something , carrick and scholes are pensioners
sulei

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Long time since you enjoyed a united game? Are you kidding me? This season has been full of ups and downs and a lot lot more ups than downs. I don't know what you are hoping for but I don't think you are ever going to be happy!

GDS

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GDS
im talking baout the football not the results, our first half performance was rubbish passing it to a winger then they pass it back were doing nothing, rvp barely touches the ball! u can't disagree with me on the winger? they've been really poor! also scholes doesnt have the legs anymore while it wud be better off to have attach a string to a wheely bin and tied it to scholes to replace carrick who is a nothing player!
sulei

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I agree our midfield wasn't good, it is ridiculous fergie keeps playing them 2 in midfield when they clearly are not good enough. What you said was you have not enjoyed a game which is ridiculous when we have had so exciting this season.

GDS

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10 Nov 2012 18:32:36
Have I been banned? None of my posts have been put up today and that was a few hours ago?

Fresh! {Ed002's Note - I have not seen any.}

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10 Nov 2012 18:29:17
Half time, 1 down. Loads of possession but no threat. Too one paced at the moment, if we can up the tempo we will be ok

AJH

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10 Nov 2012 18:29:13
Same old same old when scholes and carrick play. No pace they both take to long on the ball and all they want to do is play long diagonals. Cleverly must come on second half or i fear we will lose another goal on the counter attack.

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10 Nov 2012 18:27:59
If the tea cups are not flying at half time then they should be. Totally rubbish half no energy and villa deserve their lead.
NoMidfield

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10 Nov 2012 18:26:15
Carrick and Scholes start and our tempo is pedestrian at best, we can all see it. We need either Cleverley or Anderson to add that energy to our midfield. Our slow tempo is inviting teams on to us.

Also as a side note if we played witb a proper DM then he'd have been picking up the late runner into the box(Wiemann in this case) and then we probably wouldn't be 1-0 down.

Shappy

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Shapster, pedestrian is spot on, very very one paced with lots of sideways movement. Surely that isn't just down to the specific players - as an old boss of mine used to say, they need a FUTA...Firework Up Their Arses

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Oops, that was me
AJH

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10 Nov 2012 18:24:11
So one trick pony velencia is exposed.. Completly blank against villa left back. They kno the solution of united 4 4 2.. Holding wings and then no go for united. I posted same thing last year. In 4 4 2 hold uniteds wings and they cant fly. Need to change system quickly..
One more thing.. Irelandi is covering both scholes nd carrik very easily nd quickly..so need some quick legs there.
All in all this 4 4 2 wont qork today.
Rodio17

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Its not valencia's fault. Everytime scholes get the ball, everyone knows he will pass it to valencia more often than not. So they put a couple of players on the right and mark valencia out of the game. If the tempo was faster and there was more threat coming through the middle, this would create more free space for valencia to attack therefore create chances.

Mick

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10 Nov 2012 18:23:28
That was guff by DDG. Straight at him!

No movement or presicion through balls. I'm normally Toni V's biggest supporter but unlike Percy I'll admit it when his crossing has been woefull!

Need to up our game all over the park and for god sake Evra if you wander up the park to just loose the ball f***ing get back to your position!

Jono

And breathe ;-)

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Jono

How you can blame De Gea for that goal is beyond me....

G.A.G.U.S

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G.A.G.U.S

If that was Linders everyone would be saying it was straight at him. The reaction wasn't the best and had he been quicker he would have for it.

I'm not blaming him as such just think he could have done better and had Linders let it in there would be so many on here spouting DDG would have had that etc.

If anyone was to blame it was Smalls for trying to barge a solid wall in Benteke and getting owned ha.

Jono

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Jono

De Gea had no chance with that. Unsighted and saw it late. No keeper would save that.

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Well I think he could have done better and had it been Linders all the DDG fans would be pointing out how it was straight at him.

Jono

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10 Nov 2012 18:22:28
Ffs, Ffs, what a crap half. Too bloody slow in midfield, Scholes is walking with the ball and slowing our attacks down. Valencia v v poor on the right wing, loads of the ball and no end product. Get Hernandez on now!!

An Dun Red Devil

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10 Nov 2012 18:22:25
This is what happens when you play two grandmas in the middle of the park.

Such a terribly boring game. Never have I been so bored watching united play.

Need Anderson in there.

Oh, and ladies and gentlemen. Evra is back.

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10 Nov 2012 18:21:38
fergies gotta go its takin the p1ss now with these selections. sick ov watchin this utter garbage every week in hope we might start playing well. league will be cost by playing pensioners and slow coaches and old tired formations. we might get back into this match but it shudnt hide the fact fergies is making repetitive mistakes.

armchair fan

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10 Nov 2012 18:21:05
That was the worst performance from a Man Utd team I think I have ever seen... No pace, creativity, invention, fluidity, leadership, control, penetration just awful..... Rooney, Carrick, Valencia all have been useless it is embarrassing. We should be hammering a team of this quality... But no Fergie decides oh lets put out Carrick and Scholes who have no energy or attacking thoughts and can not run for longer than 3 yards between them.... I would of played Fletcher and Anderson/Cleverley.

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10 Nov 2012 18:19:57
Valencia is trick less. Not a single cross. But this game is on Fergie ONLY!

Nick86

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10 Nov 2012 18:19:55
Valencia the only winger in the world that has no clue how to beat a man! Playing against a young boy making his prem debut and can't get past him once, and people on this site destroy nani, give me Nani any day!

Fabs

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Fabs, you and Percy should get a room.

AJH

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10 Nov 2012 18:19:28
same old story, carrick and scholes in the middle and we play slow boring football.. anderson needs to come on and valencia needs to sort his act out because he is playing sh1t this season.

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10 Nov 2012 18:19:25
VALENCIA and SCHOLES off

We are playing with 10 men with Valencia on the pitch, he is doing nothing, against a rookie left back and he hasn't beaten him once what is he actually contributing to the team. Rafael has done more damage than him and he is a defender.

We have been playing some excellent stuff with Scholes out of the team, so why bring him in now, there is no energy in the team at all, every time a player picks the ball up they are looking to pass to him everytime. It's like Fergie has said to them "get the ball to Scholesy" it just doesn't work against a 3 man midfield.

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10 Nov 2012 18:18:11
when will saf understand that scholes and carrick dont work?

TRUMORS

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10 Nov 2012 18:12:33
This is awful, passing is pathetic, better bring in a sub at half time

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10 Nov 2012 18:10:21
This is disgustingly predictable football isn't it?

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10 Nov 2012 18:00:48
It will be a trouble day! Scholes, Carrick, Evra and Ferdinand against a quick team with fast forwards! I don't think it was a good idea SAF!

Nick86

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10 Nov 2012 17:55:52
Absolutely silly selection in midfield again they never work as a pair they are too slow and play too deep... they need a box2box player like Anderson or Cleverley paired with either one of them

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10 Nov 2012 17:55:12
Sick ov valencia, if nani has to go then so does he, scholes and carrick is an obviously slow uncreative pairing and dno why he constantly goes with them. Rooney cnt keep the ball...rafael is brilliant and always have faith in him...Cum on then lets grind out anuva undeserved win

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10 Nov 2012 17:52:39
Why does Rooney keep trying to dummy the ball and trying little flicks before he has the ball under control...... Also Valencia is really performing awfully this season he has cut down his tracking back and taking players on he doesnt look half as quick or half as useful his crossing has been a shambles compared to his usual class.

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10 Nov 2012 17:48:29
Who's a better player. Wanyama or pogba?

Robbo

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Pogba without a shadow

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No-one cares about Pogba anymore, anyway I would say Wanyama because I saw him play more.

-JakeW

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10 Nov 2012 17:25:02
Who do you think Man utd will sign in JAN?

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10 Nov 2012 17:13:59
Scholes and Carrick in midfield today, not good.

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Don't understand why saf insists on playing then two in midfield. We need balance energy and experience. Pls saf stop this stupid team selection
NoMidfield

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10 Nov 2012 17:12:15
Might be wrong. But Scholesy and carrick playing together while Villa have a very attacking and fast forwards. Hope this is not a repeat of Spurs game.
NoMidfield

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10 Nov 2012 17:10:51
Why scholes? Does SAF not realise we have played so much better without him, slows down play far too much!

Fabs

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10 Nov 2012 17:06:17
I think we may be in trouble today our midfield pairing of Carrick and Scholes against their younger and fitter 3 that will play will have problems.

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10 Nov 2012 16:56:57
Carrick and Scholes in the middle of the park.......Give me strength.

TK-Red

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Carrick and Scholes are far too slow together... Surely when each of them play they have to be paired with Cleverley or Anderson so it balances it out more. No runners in midfield we are doomed

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I agree entirely mate. We may get away with it against, what is in truth, a poor Villa side but if they show any pace in midfield then we risk being overrun in that area.

TK-Red

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10 Nov 2012 15:13:10
Jesse Lingard looked ok on his 2nd half sub home debut for Leicester, hope he and Keane get some decent game time for the next few months.

DodgyBanter

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10 Nov 2012 14:32:27
Mats Daehli is amazing.

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10 Nov 2012 13:36:48
Interesting stat of the day wayne rooney has scored 16 penalties for united and missed 9. Who do you think should take the penalties? id go for owen hargreaves, one of the best penalty takers iv ever seen lol

sulei {Ed004's Note - I would give them to Van persie or Anderson can't remember Anderson ever missing one}

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He scored 26 not 16.

Mick

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I have never seen anyone cooler than berbatov or balotelli. They wait till the last fraction of a second for the keeper to make his move.

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10 Nov 2012 11:00:00
Now that United is doing better,nobody is much calling for the head of Nani,Ando and Evra
player or players make others to function well even if they are weak.
As much as I know Nani is a top class player,if given chance and motivation,he will come back to his former fine form.Nani and Ando are the only two players that we have that can beat their opponent one on one.

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No most of us still think both Nani and Evra are on the way in the summer.

A slight lift in form from Evra doesn't disguise the fact that he has been a liability at times for the last 18-24 months and responsible for 75% of the goals that we have conceded. As much as a like the bloke his United career is coming to an end. Its just can we get in a top class replacement. I know age goes against Baines but he would still be my first choice as his age wont block Blackett.

As for Nani he's had plenty of chances and just doesn't perform, he needs to go and from what i have heard he wants to go. Its a case of get the best price possible and get in a good replacement.

Ando, well he does deserve a last chance as he has been blighted by injuries but we know what he's capable of.

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Valencia and Young..?

Fresh!

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Ando is class, he needs to keep improving his fitness, but he adds something to our mid that the others don't.

Evra has been much improved, but our best left back so far this season was Rafael when he switched sides against Chelski in the comedy cup. Baines would be great, but not for the money Everton want. There must be an unknown player out there for under 10m who could improve the team... Not sure Buttner is that player.

Nani will go, and will at times look good elsewhere... But these years with mufc will be him best I think. He hasn't kicked on and learned and improved. I question our coaching team because he was incredible when Ronny left, but he's gone backwards.

DodgyBanter

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10 Nov 2012 06:26:21
Hi guys, super sunday football, which are u looking forward to. I wud prefere a lose to both city and chelsea, in as much as i hate liverpool winning. Ur thoughts plz.

Stanod

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Liverpool aren't a genuine rival whereas Chelsea are, so any points Chelsea drop are always a nice bonus.

However i don't see the scouse doing us any favours and there is a big gulf between the teams so i can see Chelsea smashing a couple past them in all honesty.

Spurs and City could be a tight game, both have struggled a bit in recent weeks.

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Don't be stupid .any points taken from Chelsea and citeh will be a bonus.

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