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10 Nov 2013 20:45:54
Where is Marcellus?
Haha u won't see him for at least a few weeks mate, bless him, how I do love when rival fans give us jip, then there teams go on to let them down!
We miss u already Marcellus
The bigger question is where is kloot
Who's KLOOT?
10 Nov 2013 20:45:40
What a great result for the boys today! The atmosphere was tremendous! got to say vidic is key to how we do this season hopefully he's ok and can stay fit all year! If he does we've got great chance of winning something. Giroud bullied the scousers last week and he never had a kick in the first half!
I just hope we can shift a few players out and get a couple in january and then it's onwards and upwards for the rest of the season!
20 times! 20 times! Are you listening!
C'mon UTD
10 Nov 2013 20:01:33
I've waited a long time to post this. Evra has come in for, some stick over that last 18 months but in my opinion he is a true united warrior. Yes his energy may be dropping and some of his positioning is not what it was but if I was going into battle and needed to pick someone to be with me, Patrice would be right up there. I love him, and I will be sad to see him go as he surely will in the next year
AJH, couldn't agree more mate! The guys a legend. we've more than had our money's worth out of him! He's been flogged to death and if we'd had a little bit of serious competion for him we'd probably get another year or two out of him.
I think you're right AJH, he's really picked up he general play and drives the team forward with shear will and power. He is a true Utd warrior.
Unfortunately it feels like he is always just round the corner from a clanger, poor positioning, not getting back in, or my least favourite - the dodgy sideways pass to their striker!
I'd rather get a worldy centre mid in first though.
AJH, 'warrior' is exactly the word. Think Syd and some others should be a little ashamed at some of the abuse they've dished out to a guy who would run through brick walls for Utd.
I too will miss him. Most new players, and those coming through the ranks, mention how much Evra makes them feel welcome in the first team.
His loss cannot be underestimated.
I love Patrice, he's immense going forward one of the best full backs in the world at attacking. But today I lost count of how many times Ramsey or Oezil were running in behind him and he was just trotting back, while only having a 1-0 lead. My heart was in my a55 for most of the second half.
I was saying to my mate I can't wait until we have a top class LB that can attack and defend just as well.
Several times in the second half Evra was too far forward and out of position. It let Arsenal into dangerous areas but it is likely why Moyes has been interested in a left back.
More drive in him than a lot of other players especially some of our midfielders that lack it big time
Red Man, I think AJH was accepting your gripes - we can all see his stamina waning before our eyes - but his point, is that Evra brings far more to the club than poor positioning.
You can nitpick over his mistakes, as you could with all our players, even Rooney, but I still think his overall contributions to the club, still outweigh the negatives.
I'm not at all ashamed, Ev should have been replaced three years ago.
AJH, Evra has been a great servant agreed, but he was been tragic since 2010 defensively. Yesterday Sagna had the freedom to do what he wanted and every ball Evra put into the box went straight to the Arsenal keeper. Evra was constantly out of position and our weakest link in the side defensively. MU will continue to look to replace him because he needs replacing. It's long overdue. That being said I respect and I am very grateful for his service over the years.
StevieK
I do not doubt Evra's commitment and service but his poor positional play has been an issue for a while and could have cost us 2 points yesterday, then you would not have been lauding him.
Syd, to be fair, there hasn't been much respect for his years of service shown in some of your posts about him over the last while.
StevieK, are you suggesting a player who has given us years of service cannot be criticised for several poor displays?
It's the way you criticised him Syd, and you know it. It's the same with Giggs on here. There's a big difference between constructive criticism and cheap shots.
Red Man, I still would have lauded him, because unlike many on here, I don't have the memory span of a gnat.
StevieK
Everybody on the pitch, no matter how long they have played or how well they have played in recent times can and will face criticism if they play to a below acceptable standard. Evra, while he does bring positives to the club, is almost always out of position and for a player of his age, ability and experience is very frustrating. Which is why he came into a lot of stick. Rightly so in my opinion. Saying that he did play well yesterday until the latter stages of the match where he was left out of position, Ramsey and Özil were taking advantage of this a number of times but luckily for us they were not found and Sagna got the chance to put in way to many crosses for any United fans liking.
StevieK, Evra is a liability in defence. He is our weakest link and it's a position that has needed strengthening for years. Clearly you do have the memory of a gnat or you wouldn't have forgotten the last three years. I wonder how people's reaction would have been had one of Sagna's crossed found Giroud's head. There is no room for sentiment in football, if a player isn't performing well enough then he will be criticised. If MU could have agreed a fee for Baines then we wouldn't be discussing this now, nor last season as Evra wouldn't be playing.
Completely agree with Syd on this. Yes Evra is a warrior and is always 100% comitted to the cause but he is constantly out of position.
Syd mentioned the two crosses from Sagna that could of landed on Giroud's head, not only that Evans had to come out 2-3 times during yesterdays game to close down the winger/fullback because Evra was nowhere to be seen which left is weak in the centre which causes big problems when your up against a bid lad like Giroud.
Sorry but Evra has to be replaced!
Don't be so precious Syd. If you don't understand the difference between criticism and cheap shots, then fair enough. If you can say, hand on heart, that you've never made any of the latter, against a fine club servant, then I must have been misreading your posts.
I'm not sure what a cheap shot is exactly? I have said he is a liability because he's a liability and I have said he has cost us goals, when he has cost us goals. I have said it's like we are playing with just three defenders, I stand by that too. What do you mean by cheap shots? I want our team to improve and to improve your team you need to replace the weak links. Evra is our weakest link, therefore needs replacing.
I'm well aware that Pat needs replacing, and he is indeed a weak link in our defence. I'm sure Moyes is well aware of that.
My own view, is that shouting it from the rooftops on here at every opportunity, shows a bit of a lack of class and respect.
To be fair StevieK, I haven't mentioned Evra for a while. I began to realise that it was easier to mention his good games rather than his bad games to avoid talking about him every week.
That last comment sort of proves my point, mate :)
10 Nov 2013 19:52:12
The past few weeks, i've seen you people rip your hair apart, criticizing your own team. and yet, as things go, 9 games unbeaten and we have beaten the league leaders
Ps. I saw someone say that we'd lose 4-1 if fellaini showed up, you must be feeling stupid now :)
Team performance, not a one man army team is what wins matches, and that is what I saw today. Even kloot would find it hard to deny that rooney worked his socks off.
We need new first team players, I won't deny that but credit to all the ones that we currently have. What an exciting attacking trio of Shinji Robin and Wayne we have. (Add Janujaz to that)
I hope David Moyes gets some credit. He deserves some, atleast from his own fans.
Have a nice night y'all :)
I wouldn't hold your breath mate, unfortunately.
Moyes made some great decisions today, in a game clearly everyone was going to be analyzing him down to the last detail I thought he did very well indeed.
10 Nov 2013 19:50:42
Absolutely gutted about today but have to give you boys a lot of credit.
We have been buzzing all season but if there's one team who can, and normally do, stop us in our tracks and bring us down to earth its your lot.
Fair play to you and I thought David Moyes picked a good team and formation to stifle our play whilst complimenting your own style of play.
Rooney was an absolute diamond today and made all the difference. congrats boys and look forward to getting back the 3 points when you come to the Emirates.
all the best and well done. Best team won.
Cheers dagenham
Nice post. I think if you had gone for it the result might have been different,
Thanks AJH,
but that was the problem, you boys stopped us going for it lol
10 Nov 2013 19:44:25
Moyes got at lot if decisions right today.
Evans and Vidic at centreback. Looked excellent up until Vida's injury.
Smalling rightback. Defensive giant today, also caused havoc raiding forward, although his crossing is obviously below par.
Replacing Vidic with Clevs. Jones and Evans were fantastic for the second half. Smalling continued good work at right back. Clevs was tenacious in midfield.
Kags left. Who knows what Januzej would have done? But Kags often goes missing in big games, today I thought he played well. Drifted in to good effect, but also offered width to stretch play.
Valencia right. Slowly getting his mojo back, one day he'll cross a head height ball into the box and we'll all say he's finally woken from his slumber. But not today.
Kags and Tony V in a four but tucking in. This gave us a threat upfront from RVP and Rooney - rather than dropping Rooney back. Their fullbacks were left free in space at times, but their excellent attacking mids were choked out time and time again.
Giggs onto the left. Ok, so again maybe Januzej would have done better. But Giggs lifted the crowd, brought calm experience and we did manage to bring it on home.
Fellaini on for RVP. Robin's legs were not suited to the lone striker told that wax required. Rooney terrorised their back four. Fellaini worked well as a cameo off him. RVP got a great reception, another important goal to build his confidence back.
Was the game perfect? No. But today I saw a united football club moving forward together. Looking like a team who believe in each other, and also in their manager. What a fantastic weekend of results. Please let all our players come back injury free in 2 weeks.
I think bringing on Januzaj instead of Giggs would have really lifted the crowd. But it was Giggs experience that was needed. It would have been nice to see Januzaj terrorise sagna
I agree with both of you in the idea of what could have been if Januzaj was brought on but Giggs does a good, professional job at keeping the ball and seeing a game out when played out on the left, not in the middle.
Bringing on Fellaini for RvP and putting him in a centre attacking mid role was by far the best decision, helped Rooney pressure their defense.
Smalling deserves a shout as he played one of his best games in a long long time. Also thought Jones in midfield was great just a shame he picked up a yellow for an footballing accident. Clearly Rooney was man of the match, he did not stop running. Yeah okay he gave away a few sloppy passes but his overall game was top top class.
10 Nov 2013 19:05:29
To StevieK and all
Well done today a well deserved victory.
Obviously I'm gutted as I was very confident of winning this match and have not been shy in saying it.
No excuses no exaggerated reasons we are not good enough to come to old Trafford and win yet, or get a point come to that :-)
We'll give it another go next year I guess, have a brilliant night and enjoy your celebrations, I hope your heads don't hurt in the morning, MUCH :-) :-) :-) :-)
Hey gunner
Thanks for your post. If I'm honest I think your view sums up one of the reasons why you lost. Despite your stunning start, there seemed to be a nervousness and lack of belief in your, team. I think if you had come and attacked with a very offensive line up, you may well have seen us off.nnwe'll never know but you are still 5 points clear of us so we still have some catching up to do.
Thanks
Fair play to you for coming on here after a defeat. Liverpool fans would come nowhere near.
We played well today, best team performance of our season.
You didn't get going but i'm sure we will both be there or thereabouts come May
Good man, gunner. Classy - just like your club. Hoping a cold, wet winter, with three games a week, will start poking holes in that rather thinnish squad of yours :)
StevieK
Hi AJH
I think we reverted to type a bit today trying to walk the ball in which we have improved on up till today. Its a compliment to yo that you still have that affect on us.
We have a few months to get counselling before you come to us, forget the Jan window we need to spent big on the best mind coaches money can buy :-)
10 Nov 2013 18:42:06
I posted yesterday that sky pundits writing United off and that I fancied us for a win - well that was a goos tactical game from Moyes.
Rooney worked his socks off, Carrick kept us calm at times, Valencia lookes a threat - Evra looked good. Vidic was dominant before his injury and Jones played well too.
The table looks better after a weekend of interesting results
Still need a couple in January to strengthen in the middle
Happy weekend from me
Carrick? How many times did he give the ball away. Tendency to pass the ball when our own players are not expecting it. Can't tackle. How many bone crunching tackles did Jones put in as well as gut busting runs into the opposing half. I still think Carrick is the weak link
10 Nov 2013 18:34:50
Everyone talks of central midfielders for holding the fort here, people like herrera and khedira comeup but I personaly think that morgan schniederlin of southhampton deserves a shout, a terrific player tenacious and a workhorse, exactly what we need, was very good against us when we played southhampton.
and if we do sell one of our strikers, loic remy is a good shout, will come relatively cheap and looks adapt to the premier leagues doesn't he
Well, Best, shout away, but all you will hear back is an echo. Morgan stayed loyal to Saints down into League One, put up with being kicked all over pitches on Tuesday nights at places such as Hartlepool with sleet blowing off the north sea. Yes, he wants to progress into the French side and play in the CL. He wants to be in a side challenging for the Premiership rather than floating around mid table-so why then would he leave Saints to join Utd.?
Thanks for the result today. Now means after the top of the table clash at the Emirates in a couple of weeks time Saints could top the table!
Think you will also find Saints have already let it be known their key players are all staying put.
10 Nov 2013 18:26:09
Great result, fully deserved. Whole team played with energy and commitment, exemplified by Rooney, who was everywhere.
Let's hope it continues, and that the nabobs of negativity (myself included), can be fully banished.
10 Nov 2013 18:12:10
Finally a performance to celebrate. I was worried when vidic went off, but the team defended well as a unit. Even cleverly played well when he replaced jones in midfield.
The problems come when we play teams that do not come to play. If they sit deep and play on the break we look average and slow in midfield. Fingers crossed that we have turned the corner, but I suspect until we get a creative midfield maestro it will be topsy turvy season of ups and downs.
Still I have a smile on my face tonight and really enjoyed a game for the first time this season.
I think Cleverley had a couple dodgy moments in the first five minutes when he came on, but grew into the game. We still need that elusive midfielder though.
I would like to see Zaha get a few more chances. I would play him ahead of young all day long. And before someone says it I know young did not play today. I mean in general this season.
I posted earlier today in the rumours page. Allegedly, Moyes is tot a fan and intends to offload him, permanently.
10 Nov 2013 18:07:01
Well, luckly we won. That's the most and the only positive thing about this game.
Managed to beat a rival, finally! 4-4-2 is not a formation for us and we need to play a lot better than that.
I hope we can see moves in January.
Happy we got it.
Nick, that was a very good team performance. Give the lads the credit they deserve. There was nothing lucky about that win, we should have had a penalty and Rooney missed a good chance. Did Arsenal have a shot today? I want to see us strengthen in January, but the lads were good today and fully deserved the win.
I thought we played well. they could have score one or may be two but we had our chances too.
Nick
Jeez man, have you banged your head? We were very controlled, lots of players played well, and we won against the for team in the league. Lucky? Give me strength
Syd, unfortunately some of our fans are more keen on having their opinions proved right, than actually giving the team some credit when it's due.
StevieK
Sydney
I don't often agree with you but in the main on this I do. There was a huge effort none more than from Rooney who should have silenced many of even his worst critics today. We worked very hard indeed and it made us very hard to beat, very pragmatic football. It has to be said we lacked quality and a bit of pace and verve in our play but we know that. Let's enjoy the win
Nothing lucky about that, they played with heart, passion and determination. We played with a purpose and every player played for the shirt.
AJH
I said and I repeat luckily we won a game against a rival. The interpretations are entirely your choice. I won't be explaining myself.
Happy we won.
Once we had got that goal we didn't need to open up. Imo had Jones stayed in midfield we would have bossed that second half too to be honest.
We always had the firepower, pace and quality on the bench in Januzaj and Hernandez to change it if we needed a goal, whereas it was telling that Arsenal had nobody coming on from the bench that could change the game or offer something different.
This is as good as it gets imo in a tight game. Moyes got it right tactically, their midfielders barely had a sniff. Sagna was their best outlet and that is really saying something. I said before the game we will tr to push them out wide and boss the box with our center backs which we did. Smalling had a great game. Jones and Rooney were fantastic.
The players were really up for it and didn't we all love that look on Sir Alex's face at the end in the stands?
Nick mate
You don't need to explain yourself. You said we can play a lot better than that and 442 is not for us. You also said the only positive thing is that we won. Come on mate, you must have been watching a different game to the rest of us.
Read the replies, it's not just me who has reacted to your post.
"Only positive thing about this game", "managed to beat a rival, finally", "we need to play a lot better than that".
Sorry Nick, but how else would anyone interpret your post?
10 Nov 2013 16:01:15
Blimey, Chelsea nick a point with a dodgy penalty and now Spurs and City both lose. Just watched the City game, whatba player Wes Brown would have been if he could have avoided injuries.
Come on Unted, a good performance, 3 pints, and things will be very interesting
Pints? Clearly I meant points
Ajh, don't speak to soon, the lineup that Mr Moyes has picked is a strange one. We are going for the usual 'do not lose' attitude.
I just can't see us winning this game, but I will be delighted if I'm wrong.
He just wants to get away with draws against the big sides and that does not work. As we've seen already!
I'm quite sure both would make things pretty interesting
NM
Come on mate, Moyes got it right. Smalling was good, Jones was a beast in the 1st half, the whole team was well disciplined and up for it. I thought we looked like a United team.
NM how was that side set up to get a draw? First of all Kagawa wouldn't have been starting as he doesn't offer much defensively. Jones has been in fine form and has a lot of energy going forward unlike Cleverley. Rafa obviously isn't 100% fit otherwise he definitely would have started instead of Smalling but Smalling did well and got forward whenever he could. I find it hard to see how you could that impression today.
Ajh. Hats off to smalling and Jones. Both played brilliantly while not in their normal positions.
Rooney was superb. And all who wanted him gone, now know why I was so set against him leaving.
It was a gritty performance, but hopefully we can add some guile to go with it in future.
10 Nov 2013 15:34:37
Quite happy with the line up, I hope Cleverley comes on instead of Fellaini though if we do make a CM change.
10 Nov 2013 16:14:16
Would rather see Jones partner Vidic at the back, Cleverly in midfield, Valencia replacing Smalling at right back and Adnan on the right. Still, we live in hope.
Big
Almost, in the second half
11 Nov 2013 14:41:23
Excellent performance yesterday. Moyes got it bang on with his team selection and how they set up. I wasn't 100% convinced when I saw the team, but fair play, we all think we know better, sometimes we do, but yesterday gave me some hope. The performance justifies that. A lot of belief and spirit out there yesterday, probably for the first time this season. Jones is going to be one hell of a player for us in the seasons to come. He is already. Smalling played a blinder and Rooney and RVP looked really tuned in.
Got to agree with a couple of earlier posts, Mad Pat is a total warrior and legend but he is the weak link in the team, he leaves so much space behind him and he struggles to get back. Coentrao/Moreno would improve the team no end. Sad really, as I do love Mad Pat, he embodies the club in a lot of ways and he will definitely be missed when he goes. Pat, we salute you man.
10 Nov 2013 15:29:51
Again more changes to our back line moyes keep some continuity or we will never keep clean sheets.
Glad he's put jones in mf though to battle away.
10 Nov 2013 15:27:48
Don't understand how Adnan isn't starting, he's been one of our better players this year. Also, I know Smalling played well on Tuesday but I don't like him playing RB today, would much rather have Fabio or Valencia. Kagawa is starting today but not sure that's a good thing, would rather see the wonder kid. Let's go get a win, Chelsea drawing, Spurs lost and City currently losing this could be a turning point in our season.
10 Nov 2013 11:33:39
You guys would not be with me on this one but I think today we would be better off without Kagawa. If we go for the midfield battle we would lose. Best thing we can do is exploit the wide surface of OT and go for the dominant wing play with Rooney dropping much deeper to help the midfield. Valencia on the right would be good. Arsenal don't play with that much width so he has to care less about covering for the right back. Rafael would have been great today to link up with him but he is injured. How I wish Andre Santos was still at Arsenal. But still if Valencia can find some decent crosses in then it would be good. My personal choice would have been Zaha but he isn't ready yet because Moyes just doesn't play him. He should atleast have had 5 matches under his belt by now.
On the left we have a lot of choice but with Young being Young and Nani being Nani ( even though he plays better against arsenal) there is a clear cut choice between Janujaz and Giggs and I hope Moyes knows whom to pick.
We need to play Rooney, Carrick & Cleverley in midfield. With Januzaj, RvP & Valencia in attack. If we do not pack the midfield we will struggle.
Arsenal will play 4_2_3_1 I would match them up
Well that 45 minutes was controlled relatively easy. Shame there's another 45 minutes to go. We should have gotten a stonewall penalty and can someone explain to me why Jones was booked?
It was certainly more of a penalty than Chelsea's yesterday
I did say our wasted RvP or Rooney chances could be our downfall. Rooney could have settled the game for us. let's hope we can hold on for the three points.
Jones being booked was the most ridiculous decision of the game, he went to header the ball fair and square then gets a yellow because the keeper got a hand to it? Ridiculous refereeing I don't know what else Phil was meant to do.
10 Nov 2013 11:33:21
Was watching a website this morning and Ian Holloway was on. His passion for football and people is unbelievable and he wants to play football the right way, the United way. He is a unique character. If he doesn't get a managers job I reckon one of the top 6 will pick him up for their back room team. He'd be a great shout to join Moyes' back room team.
Have you heard his thoughts on Young and Evra diving?
I doubt he'd be brought into Man Utd, he is a character, but not a top drawer coach looking at the results he's achieved in the premier league.
Look at Poyet. Five minutes at a club seriously struggling and he has stamped his style all over them already. Hollaway is great for TV sound bites, but not a role at a top 6 club.
10 Nov 2013 11:11:58
Today is a day that we remember that there is more to life than football and rivalries and although we may idolise footballers, the true heroes are the people who have fought to defend us, sometimes with their lives. Thankyou to all of the servicemen past and present. Never forget.
Sparky your so right mate, I have been carried away looking forward to today's game but your post puts all into perspective.
Shankly was brilliant and loved his quotes but his most famous one was wrong.
Life and death is a much much more important than football.
I want us to win today of course but in the grand scheme of things it ain't that important
Sparky, I put a similar post on here this morning, but for some unknown reason it was put on the other posts page.
I hope that some of our more hysterical and emotional posters on here, remember this sentiment, and keep some sort of semblance of reality and humility in their posts, should the result go against us.
Lest we forget.
StevieK
Never a truer word been said. Also out thoughts have to be with the people in Philippines who also lost family and friends in the tragic happenings over the last 24 hours.
10 Nov 2013 10:23:28
Hi All,
Liverpool fan in peace.
As much as I'd like to take a shot at you guys for all you've been through during your period of transition I urge you all to keep faith and stay behind your team. If anyone knows what you're going through it's us the liverpool fans. The past 4 years have been a nightmare for us and the biggest mistake most of the "fans" made was to slag off the team and management without seeing the big picture. We finally see our plan coming in to place and we can see the light at the end of the tunnel. The negativity will only prolong the process which is why it took us 4 years to get back on track.
Great Clubs stand the test of time and it will only be a matter of time before you are back to your winning ways. I personally think that Moyes isn't the right man for you guys (my humble opinion which probably means nothing lol) but you need to back him and not make the same mistake we did with our managers. The manager and players need your backing now more than ever.
The Chelsea's and City's will come and go but Liverpool, Manchester United and Arsenal truely represent the Premier League and what it is about.
Good luck in today's game (not going to lie and say I'll be cheering you or Arsenal on) but I hope to witness a hell of a contest.
Some positive words, even from the most unlikely source, always come with much appreciation.
I certainly hope we do not go through what Liverpool did before getting back to our ways, and while Moyes is certainly not the most attractive managerial option for us fans, his appointment does seem to show our owners are there for the long haul and they need stability not immediate success
Mick, are you suggesting Liverpool are out of their two decade slump? People are forgetting we are just a quarter into the season. The table will look much different come May and Liverpool will not be in the top four.
God no. But this season they seem to have improved on their 2009-2013 super slump
Disney I suggest b more concerned bout Man U.I will be very impressed if u guys finish in top 6.
Praveen, if we win today you would be a fool to rule us out of winning the title.
10 Nov 2013 10:04:38
Predictions for today guys?
Im going for Arsenal to batter us today 1-4 (if fellaini plays)
Or 1-2 (if fellaini does not play)
Either ways an Arsenal win with a special performance from mesut ozil.
Mgoa
Yes, I think that Ozil will run the show with goals from him and Giroud. As for us, it depends on the team selection.
Agreed fresh. And the team selection is weird to say the least.
No vidic? No settled back four? No januzaj?
Lol, how silly do Yu all look now? 😋
09 Nov 2013 21:37:34
I'm not defending Young in anyway but players dive in almost every game I watch. Ramirez was disgraceful today and he got his team a pt that they didn't deserve. Neymar dove vs Milan in the Champions League and got a pk for Barca. It seems to me that Young is getting more stick than others but he's in no way the only one. Until the refs hand out stiffer punishment players will continue to do it.
Your point is valid flint. Bale dived so many times last season and even got booked on a few occasions. Latest can be seen when Ronaldo's theatrics got Gheilini a red card. But all these players give so much more to the team that even if the diving part comes in the news it is overshadowed by their performances. Now in Young's case the only stand out point in his whole performance was the dive. He did nothing else. And please don't tell about his 1 supercross in the game which mistakenly found RVP. You expect much more from players at this level. Even I could put in atleast 5 decent crosses per match which our wingers can't do right now. Well I don't want to change the subject to how bad our wingers are, its already been done to death.
@raph
I'm sorry, so what you're saying is if a player is talented and contributes to the team he should be excuse? The players ability has absolutley nothing to do with the issue at hand. If a player dives he's conned the ref regardless of who he is.
I personally think the same focus should be on defenders you deliberatley foul attacking players in the box at corners and set pieces and get away with. Have theynot conned the ref also?
'RebelRed'
I get what 'raph' is saying. You wouldn't want Ronaldo out of the club because he dives at times, he is too special a player to let go. As for Young, he is not special, he offers nothing and is therefore more criticised.
No no rebelred you got me wrong. I'm just stating my point as to why I think Young is being slated more by the media. Every so called pundit now has an opinion about young. Everyday we are reading how another football expert presents his views about how dreadful Young is. Same thing happened last season with Bale but after sometime everyone stoppedand and were just praising his performances. Ronaldo was slated for a week but then he went o. and scored another hattrick and everyone again started debating as to who is better Messi or Ronaldo. I'm not supporting anyone, I'm just expressing why I think the media isn't moving on and are slating Young continuously.
RebelRed, it's not that a talented player should be excused, but he has more to his arsenal in order for the media to see.
Same goes with players who do not work hard defensively. Messi and Ronaldo are not the hardest working players out there but they are just so magnificent going forward that they are excused.
Berbatov on the other hand, while a tremendously talented player, is not as good therefore his defensive shortcomings are more critisized
Point taken guys, I didn't what Raph had written properly. And I agree that players performances can overshadow an incident.
I guess that makes Young a scapegoat due to his lack of ability.
Wrong either way.
I've seen Gerrard almost end careers with his two footed tackles over the top and not half the uproar.