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10 Sep 2012 23:33:47
Interesting to see that Fergie has confirmed he spoke with Pep "for a few minutes" whilst in New York. He confirmed it to "el comercio" apparently.
"a few minutes"? it must b a done deal then! did they also sort out the transfer targets as well?
CardiffRED
10 Sep 2012 23:03:06
SAF at the US Open final; sitting in Murray's player's box. Rumours have it SAF wants Murray to play in the hole behind Bolt.
Watch this space.
TomBomb
10 Sep 2012 22:51:41
Good luck to Robbie Brady tomorrow night in his debut for the RoI. Playing for the greatest club in the world and the greatest country in the world. Doesn't get better than that.
An Dun Red Devil
10 Sep 2012 22:07:41
a paragraph from a story regarding Diaby
"But without Diaby, Arsene Wenger side's suddenly look lightweight and lacking in a genuine ball-winner. Santi Cazorla, Mikel Arteta and co. are fabulous at passing and holding on to possession but these qualities become redundant without someone like Diaby to win the ball and drive forward."
Sounds just like our mid-field
I couldnt agree more with the aspect of a bigger guy in the centre of midfield but there is not many put there.... Khedira, Felliani, Strootman, M'Villa and maybe a few others and I wouldnt class any apart from Khedira and maybe M'Villa as good enough even if ou r midfield is poor.
10 Sep 2012 21:27:00
Ok, i get you, you mean his actual fitness condition leading up to the start of the season.
It must be hard for a 27 yr old with all that money to not let your hair down in the couple of weeks between the euros and pre-season, but you're right he has a responsibility to come back to pre-season in a reasonable state of fitness.
At United I'm assuming there are condition coaches and the like keeping a close eye on them leading up to the first league game and if they don't reach a certain standard they are not considered for the starting line up. If not its not just Rooney letting the "team" down.
Flyhalf(Mitch)
I've tried to make this point numerous times Flyhalf. Responsibility for all aspects of the playing and coaching staff reside with one man, and one man only.
10 Sep 2012 21:13:55
when is fergie gonna sign me up?
Usain Bolt
When he next catches up with you.
DodgyBanter
10 Sep 2012 20:58:41
I would LOVE to see a League XI charity tourney every couple of years, although this will never happen I wonder what sides each league would put out, if you could have a 23 man squad of either an EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue A, etc. who would you have in it?
I think the EPL would probably have the best team.
Goalkeepers:
1) Hart 2) De gea 3)Cech.
Defenders:
4)Sagna 5) Baines 6) Cole 7) Vidic 8) Kompany 9) Terry 10) Richards 11) Vermaelen
Midfielders:
12) Yaya 13) Gerrard 14) Scholes 15) Silva 16) valencia 17) Kagawa 18) Bale
Strikers:
19) Aguero 20) RVP 21) Torres 22) Rooney 23) Tevez
_______________Hart________________
____Kompany___Vidic___Vermaelen_____
Toni______Toure_____Scholes_____Bale_
_______________Silva________________
__________Aguero___RVP_____________
Who do you guys think would win it and what would the side look like?
Just to get the debates away from Rooney and on to something different :).
The Moon. {Ed007's Note - No Celtic players Moon? Me and you will be having words soon!}
Bond would your rather rvp or hooper? ;)
Caolán. {Ed007's Note - That's an easy one, Hooper. He is younger and will have a sell on value. ;-) I would maybe swap Stokes for RVP and a signed Rooney top.}
Moon,
Cabaye, Wilshere, Nasri, Sahin, Dembele, Sandro are all better than Gerrard now. I would even pick Cleverley, Allen, Ramsey, Fellaini, McCarthy, Tiote, Carrick & Milner ahead of him. Gerrard is a mere shell of his former self. The bloke was finished year's ago.
Sydney!
Gerrard is still better than Milner
Caolán.
On current form I would pick this team...
_______________Hart
_____Kompany__Distin__Vermaelen______
ToniV_____Yaya______Cleverley____Bale
______________Hazard_______________
__________Tevez____RVP_____________
I know Distin is not exactly a player of the highest class but lately he has been on form and he has been sensational for Everton and I believe they should be picked on form.
Praps not Milner Syd ... Think you got excited there ;)
DodgyBanter
Very good team "no name" ;)
DodgyBanter
Haha suppose you'd have Lennon manage over SAF? would you have the Derry messi McCourt or tony V ;)
Caolán. {Ed007's Note - That's a toughy, the Derry Pele would need to get on the nicotine patches first ;-)
DodgyBanter - Cheers mate I forgot to sign it off in such a rush.....
George
10 Sep 2012 20:48:05
Who ever wants Rooney sold are purely and simply disturbed, or are undercover man $hitty fans... Wayne hasn't even peaked yet... He'll be the best player in world football within 2 years.. United4life
ReD D3vILiSH
Who wants Rooney sold?
Sydney!
Not quite
1991devil
Oh my days blinkers at best ! Rooney was better 8 years ago and hasnt done anything more than gradually get fatter, lazier, sluggish, disinterested and just hasnt improved really
I'm not disturbed and have been a fan for 37 years. I slimy believe £40-£50M for a Ayer who has yet to live up to his potential is too good to turn down. Just because you disagree with me does not make me disturbed.
AJH
10 Sep 2012 20:35:09
Born in York, raised in Redditch. Father born in Manchester in sight of OT. Rest of family Leeds Utd fans......SO glad I followed the old man! Been a Utd fan 40 yrs......not always been successful, but loved it when we stuffed the Scousers!
Ianskip
10 Sep 2012 20:15:36
Just a quick one, but why is PJ so hated on this site? thanks
Jake F {Ed007's Note - Have you never heard 'Let's Get Ready to Rumble'?
Jake, you did hear about that old lady who chucked the cat in the bin didn't ya ;)
Sydney!
Just to let you know before he pitches up Duncan's a wan*er aswell ;-)
Jono
Yeh but give him some credit for his fine work on Byker Grove
Gav
Ed007 Do you talk in riddles or talk plain nonsense??
Mush {Ed007's Note - Yes thanks, two sugars.}
PJ made a plonker of himself and upset an Ed
Pardoe
Ed 007 - LEGEND!!
Red Spark
10 Sep 2012 18:58:41
Am I the only supporter that thinks selling Rooney is a good idea... You can not keep a player based on his past performances etc... IMO he has never looked as quick or fit since 2004, He seems to try to do too much now and lacks finishing ability, when he used to strike the ball extremely well and he seems to fluff his shots a lot nowadays... He does not seem to be playing with happiness at the club..I think there is quite a few deals that would be better for us.
1. Rooney and £30million for Ronaldo
2. £50million
3. Pedro and £30million
4. Khedira and Oezil
5. If a bidding war happened I could see £65+million based on who came in for him (City and PSG with Madrid)
R9ooney is the main reason we still attract anyone to the club. Do you think its a good idea to sell him to Man City at a time when we are miles behind them in terms of quality in the squad? Also, and this is to all the deluded fans who think this is a possibility, RONALDO WONT BE SIGNING FOR US, its not going to happen so stop posting as if it will.
Flimbo
Considering you think his finishing is poor and he has lack in fitness for years why on earth do you value him at 65m?
Ste-Utd
For the fact he is a brand over anything !
How can rooney's finishing be bad as he is the clubs 4th top goal scorer?
Caolán.
10 Sep 2012 18:24:47
I'm loving the Rooney debate and I' happy people have different opinions. For what it's worth...I think he had the potential to be a truly great player but he has never quite lived up to it! not convinced he will. I'm not doubting his ability, I just think he hasn't fulfilled what was incredible potential. As for the lack of fitness, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect top class athletes to keep themselves fit, irrespective of how much they earn. It smacks of a lack of professionalism.
AJH
I couldnt agree more mate... He looked better in 04 than what he does now he was faster, stronger, deadly, happy, confident, just plain better... Now he seems to be half interested, half bothered, slow, sluggish, irresponsible, just poor. In all honesty I would like to swap him for Falcao .
10 Sep 2012 17:45:20
Ronaldo won't come to united! How are we going to afford to pay that much for him.. Ronaldo still has a bit of time left in his contract, so if there's a rift between Madrid and ronaldo, then ronaldo could go to city as they'll most likely to be the highest bidder. I'm sure ronaldo won't say no to city then sitting in the Madrid bench and wasting his talent
10 Sep 2012 16:40:23
So StevieK now I'm a different kind of supporter if I didn't know better I would say this is a KLOOT-esque type of post. Gullible fool hmmm I have an opinion and you don't agree so now I'm a supporter that only cares about the next 3 points. Yes Stevie that's the only reason I support United is because all I care about is winning grow up. I'll let you in on a little family history. My grandfather watched George Best play here in Bermuda and said he was the best he had ever seen and has been in love with United ever since. My whole family are United supporters and although you seem to think I don't remember when United were not winning things I can assure you that I do. So for you to assume that I am some glory chasing fan is beyond my comprehension. People make mistakes just like you did in your post calling people that supporter a player that plays for United gullible fools. Get off your high horse and get a grip just cause you are bitter and feel wronged doesn't mean that anyone that doesn't agree is wrong or a different "type" of supporter. Really your posts say everything about the "type" of supporter you are maybe you and KLOOT should share a flat. Maybe thats what the "K" stands for StevieKLOOT.
Syd, I totally agree that it is not right that he showed up out of shape. I have never stated that him showing up overweight was acceptable. I think Fergie showed his stance on that by dropping him to the bench. I believe that would have continued until his fitness improved as he does want all 3 of Rooney, RVP, and Kagawa to play together at some point. So his injury setback is a "blessing" in disguise as he can watch RVP score goals and come back fitter and hungrier for United.
Thanks
Darren-Bermuda
Darren please explain the difference between Rooney and Tevez. Tevez didn't want to play for City because he thought he could get a better deal and Rooney didn't want to play for United because he was going to get a better deal from City. Both of them humiliated their managers. I AM KLOOT
KLOOT, sorry to use you as a reference in my post but was the only way I could make my point. Heard it was an imposter posting as you recently. I refuse to crucify Rooney as everything is based on what the media says and things the club "chose" to say. Even you have said that the club allows certain stories to run to satisfy the fans. So why can't one say that Sir Alex lit the match and Rooney took the fall which in turn landed him with more money but also aired out some of the Glazers dirty laundry? Can you honestly say you know what was said behind the scenes. Really unless any of us were there we can only speculate on what happened and what we believe. Which then turns the situation into a case of ones opinion more than what really happened because honestly only a few people really know. Tevez refused to play and stayed in Argentina for how long? Rooney made a U-turn in no time and is still at the club surely anyone who really stepped on Fergies toes would be long gone by now. It is my opinion and I am entitled to it the fact that it differs from others is part of what makes us all different. If we all agreed on everything it would get rather boring on here. Seriously end of the day if Rooney had an offer from us I'm sure $hitty could have trumped it easily so I don't buy that. I refuse to be called a certain "type" of supporter because my opinion is not the same as someone elses.
Again I'm sorry for referencing you maybe I should have said fakeKLOOT that's better.
Thanks,
Darren-Bermuda
Darren you seem a little hyper sensitive mate.
The 'babies' comment was light-hearted, maybe its a cultural difference with humour :)
For your other points, it's no fan's fault that they're younger or older, but it is a fact that those who are younger are more used to success - that's a fact governed by age whether you like it or not.
Us oldies didn't have that luxury unfortunately, because we grew up with an all-conquering Liverpool team - again, nobody's fault.
Don't be so prickly - I'm not saying anybody is a better supporter than anybody else - that's infantile, and I'm going to ignore that allegation.
Gullible? Yes, to a degree, those who have been sucked into the whole 'Rooney is God' mantra, I believe, are a little gullible, believing the modern-day hype around him, when really he's just a player who had incredible potential, started believing his own hype, and has eventually ended up as a good player, but not as good as we thought he would be, or as good as he thinks he is. And certainly not good enough to think he can try and shaft our club.
My main point about Rooney, is the same with Keane, Becks, RVN - no player is bigger than this club, and I thought we, as fans, were a little bit classier than to fawn at the feet of someone who thought he was.
StevieK
Like I said Darren, there are two types of supporters.....
StevieK
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Stevie, I'm not sure how I managed to take that comment wrong. I do not have a likeness of Rooney that I pray to every day and have never once said that he was above the club. I have said before that it is not impossible that this was masterminded by the great Fergie. I guess that's a little unrealistic because Fergie would never use the media to his advantage lol. I didn't take the babies comment to heart and it really didn't affect me. My point is that it is your opinion that he did it but let me ask you this if it ever does come out that Fergie was behind it what would your opinion be then? So really you don't know and I don't for sure but we chose different sides of the coin. You choose to see him as the villian and I don't but don't take it too far I don't worship him or agree with him not showing up in shape for the season. I do however hope he regains his fitness and starts banging in goals for us for years to come.
Darren-Bermuda
Darren
Two types - young ones raised on success, and older ones who weren't - both tend to look at issues like this from different perspectives. That's all I meant, not some are better fans than others.
StevieK
10 Sep 2012 16:21:14
So Sir Alex is in New York to watch Andy Murray. Who is he trying to kid? We all know he's in the Big Apple, to see how his shares are doing.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed004's Note - You sound like Kloot}
No just chillin in NY unlike some mangers who can't even chill in the dressing rooms of there own club ......
CAIN
I've always agreed with RFT on his concerns about Sir Alex's scruples (or lack off). His morals (hasn't got any) and suspicious way he continuously supports the Glazers over finances?!
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
You do realise that shares don't actually exist as physical matter?
I'm not sure anyone would take a 7 hour flight just to do something they could easily do online or over the phone. Bet you have to keep all your money under the matress just to make sure it's real Blur.
Danny Pughnited
I like what you are doing there Blair very clever very sneaky. I AM KLOOT
Blair, it has NOTHING to do with you. Stop trying to cling on to United. We don't want your opinion on this site.
G.A.G.U.S
Lol well said Danny! Has Blair not heard of email
Gav
Listen GUGAS buddy. My opinions are greatly welcomed on this site. If you don't like them then 'skip by it'.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Very sneaky? As in what RFT, telling the truth.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Blair - What do you expect out of a manager ? Of course he is going to back the owners as they are his bosses !! On another note how does anyone of us know the truth whether the Glazers are the tight ones with soending etc or it is Fergie we simply do not.
Blair trying to brown nose Kloot, cringeworthy to say the least.
Sydney!
Of course I know what 'email' is Gav mate, grow up. 'Email' is when you get ecstasy through the post.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
No pretending somehow we share some common ground. It is the old divide and conquer ploy. Full marks to you an excellent strategy but as with all things scouse or in your case plastic scouse it is doomed to failure. For the way that Sir Alex has torn Liverpool down from their perch and has trodden them into the ground beneath his feet he will always live in my heart. I AM KLOOT
It's hardly opinion when you're trying to get your tongue up Kloot's a55...
G.A.G.U.S
LMAO at Blair's 'email' comment. Genuine wit from a scouser. Now there's a first ;)
Halesini
Oops!
I talk about the Glazers and Super Disney arrives. Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No it's super Disney with his magical porkies/stats/tax returns/IPO's/bullsh*t to save the day.
3 cheers for Super Disney..
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Haha good one Blair. Seriously though, you and KLOOT should get a room
Gav
Those were some of the most tragic, lame slaggings/comebacks I've ever witnessed! You should be ashamed lads!
Flimbo
Kloot, don't forget about our manager getting rid of Kenny in just 18 months. If Kenny is the King, then what is Fergie? God?
Sydney!
Blair, nice 2nd attempt to get Kloot onside, do you really think he is that easy to manipulate? Kloot and I may have one or two difference of opinion, but remember one thing....... we are UNITED!
Run along now.
Sydney!
RFT on my side? I'd rather have Hannibal Lector watching my back, Disney mate.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
What are those letters after Blair Mayne? YNWA? Oh wait, I see now. He's a Liverpool supporter! It makes perfect sense! YNWA. You Never Win Anything! What a realistic man he is. Unusual for Liverpool supporters to acknowledge they are a mediocre club who will be lucky to finish in the top half of the table. Although I suppose they could win a title next season, and with that promotion back to the Premiership! -KG
10 Sep 2012 15:45:35
a suggestion for the next manager. Diego Simeone of atletico madrid. The right age as well in his early forties. Impressive cv so far. Argentinian league title with two different clubs (estudientes and river) Kept catania in serie a after taking over when they looked dead and buried. Did similar with atleti taking them from tenth (something like four points off the drop zone) into the europa league, just missing out on the champions league places in a two horse league. Won the europa league and battered chelsea in the super cup. And at atleti he's had to build a new team with players always getting sold. Also i believe he's out of contract in the summer? Not sure if there'd be any language difficulties and not sure we'd be interested anyway but definitely someone to keep an eye on, top job coming in the future somewhere surely. Thoughts? Mort
Falcao carries that team to the extreme just like RVP did with Arsenal instead of roping in the manager why not sign Falcao sell Rooney and be happy.
You could of course do both, finances permitting, i suppose.
Was just a suggestion for the future, not that i expect him to be linked to United. I see him at 1 of the big Italian clubs shortly.
Mort
10 Sep 2012 15:45:21
LOL will never happen. I know we are all bored with no pl games and the window closed but hallucinating about stuff on this site is not therapy. shahram
10 Sep 2012 15:40:44
Honestly do you guys believe if saf wanted Fellini he would not be already at United. We are the wrong club for him. Our game is based on quickness and speed as mentioned by SAF in the Berbatov case. He is looking for a midfielder/miedfielders that can distribute, great technical ability and have pace and can open up defenses. look at all the players we are associated with and Fellini is not even on the radar for us.
Shahram
Then why did we not get dembele?
Yes you are so right as you can see Fellini has been useless against us in the last couple of games and he hasn't dominated our defence. I AM KLOOT
Felliani is great when you play to his strengths and put him behind the striker but he is woeful as a defensive player.
Kloot yes he has but do you want to buy Fellaini to hoof big long balls upto because if you do we should buy Andy Carroll
Utd play with a certain style lets not reduce ourselves to immitating Stoke and Everton
Pardoe
Let's buy him and stick him on the bench. I'd pay 15mil just to avoid playing him twice a season. -KG
10 Sep 2012 14:13:41
Check out rawk meltdown on tw***er,im sure lfc and blair have had input into it.
Mick the red fireman.
That masterpiece was a set up by bitter Mancs. Probably by RFT and his mob from Republic Of Mancunia. If you like RFT's bitter, extremist posts. Then you'll enjoy what them persons say.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Christ, is that true Blair? So the account is actually a United fan? Well it fooled me, pulls off a Liverpool fan with perfect accuracy. Comes across as deluded and bitter.
Your only saying that to get on my good side. I AM KLOOT {Ed007's Note - I didn't know you had one KLOOT ;-)
10 Sep 2012 14:06:23
hi guys ,was thinking about nani and i know he lose the ball 2 often but so does welbeck and chico but they does it more then nani,i think they need 2 improve welbeck and chico,we lost the because welbeck and chico couldn't score 20 goals each,had we played berba im sure that he atleast had score 20 goals last season,but i agree on that nani needs 2 show us that he is capable of playing good match's,way cant he play like he does 4 portugal or is it because of cr7 his with him,zee:)what do think about ed
Hernandez can improve with more game time.
Welbeck can improve with age.
Nani can't improve as he is useless.
Halesini
Nani plays on the wing, which means in many cases he is one on one and again he will be sold the minute we get a decent offer and he agrees on personal terms.. Welback and Chicarito play more down the middle of the pitch and it is a much more congested space and naturally they will give the ball away more. Chicarito is not getting enough game time and i doubt he will stay at united if it continues, which is a shame as i rate him highly. Welback is babmi but saf sees something there to have extended him for 5 years. Shahram
10 Sep 2012 13:48:06
ronaldo coming bk wont happen, wish the hype would stop, ino its speculation and banter but its gettin us excited and we will look stupid wen he signs another 5 year contract at the bernabeau
1991devil
10 Sep 2012 12:53:12
Right laydees a little off-topic from recent discussions but several of us gave their opinion on the way they expected the league to finish come end of May 2013.
Anyone want to change their minds now that we have had all of 3 games? Lol.
Mine are (still):
1 - United
2 - Arsenal
3 - City
4 - Chelsea
Yes that Arsenal.
Yes the one in London.
Yes the one who we got Van Persie from.
Maybe its just because I'm too stubborn to change my mind but ...
United - yes we clearly have some midfield and defensive deficiency at the moment but I still see the RVP - Rooney - Kagawa front 3 becoming formidable when it gets going. We will have defensive options currently injured coming back which will shore things up at the back however our central midfield wont be good enough in my opinion in Europe.
Arsenal - the time when you should back a team is always when they have been written off and I just see Arsene 'I didnt see it' Wenger's boys picking up steam as the season progresses. They have made a couple of decent signings and logically as Wenger is a better manager than Di Matteo the Arsenal side should gel better than Chelsea though admittedly The Rent Boys have got off the mark quicker (spent more etc etc).
Citeh - Most think it will be us or them for the league and having backed a reverse forecast United/City 1 and 2 in the league last year I understand why. Great squad but their first 11 is still very reliant on Kompany and Yaya and if either gets injured their season will shake / rattle as it did after the Belgians suspension last year. The Champs League draw has given them some humdinger games where their league form immediately after is bound to take a dip. I think if we are ahead of them by early December we will stay ahead.
Chelsea - may have revised their position higher if not for their Super Cup defeat to Falcao FC!!
Hazard sadly looks the player we thought he maybe however in their 3 wins thus far they have played 2 walkovers and a Newcastle side clearly not playing like it did last season, yet.
Too early to judge the Russkies thus far but as their league position last season suggests they have a long way to go to challenge for the league.
What say thee my brethren .....
Halesini
Man United
Man City
Chelsea
Arsenal
The top two could swap places if injury gets the better of us and they are lucky with their injuries, but Arsenal will not finish higher than 4th. Perhaps lower?
Sydney!
I will change to:
1. City
2. Chelsea
3. United
4. Newcastle
I had us at 2 with the possibility of winning it if we had purchased a replacement for Evra and at least 1 CMer. Seen as how we didn't I can only forsee problems in both areas again this season and us finishing a not far off third.
RVP top scorer with Tevez and Aguero 2nd and third.
Jono
I think United, rubbishy, Chelsea all on 83 points United take the title on goal difference.... No. 20 here we come
Jono have a word with yourself mate, one thing I will guarantee is Chelsea will not finish above us this season. I cant really see Newcastle finishing above Arsenal and Tottenham either.
Sydney's prediction is the one I would go with.
CnM
United, City, Arsenal, Chelsea. Contrary to what people say, i am of the view that city run on Aguero, Silva and Lescot/company. Take any 2 out of that team and they will struggle. They are not as deep as everyone thinks in certain positions. We need a settled back four to win the league. Shahram
CnM
If you can guarantee Chelsea won't finish above us can you enlighten me to the Euro Millions numbers aswell tonight please?
We are 3 games into a 38 game season where anything can happen. We have struggled against all 3 opposition and only won through a combination of good goalkeeping and our new striker hitting the ground running. Some say Chelsea have played Reading Wigan and Newcastle, but they two games they lost last year I think and have bettered their points where as we have struggled past just as good opposition and looked far from convincing. CM and LB are not going to get any better now so I fail to see where this optimism is justified.
Jono
I agree with Syd's prediction although I think it will be a close run battle for 1st/2nd between us and City whatever happens. I think Chelsea and Arsenal will make it very difficult for any other team to break into the top 4 this season
So:
1. City/United
2. City/United
3. Chelsea
4. Arsenal
Gav
Jono, my optimism is justified from the fact that we only lost the league on goal difference, which a lot of people seem to forget and we have also added two world class players into our squad over the summer.You say that we have struggled in our last three league games but you seem to forget that we are notoriously slow starters, Yes we had a great start to the league last season but I think everybody would agree that was an anomaly, remember the 07/08 season when we only took two points from three games or the 08/09 season where we only took five points from four games. As for Chelsea I suppose we will see at the end of the season mate, I still can't see them finishing above us.
CnM
Whatever happened to lateral thinking?
United / City / Chelski / Arse is too damn obvious lol.
Halesini
10 Sep 2012 01:57:04
StevieK, I get that you don't like Rooney for what he did. Really I don't think anything he says or does will change your opinion of him. At the end of the day the fact is that he gives his all for the team every time he puts the shirt on. Need an example look at why he is out injured putting his body on the line for the team. He got a raise because he took a look around and saw he was gonna have to carry the team. I get that you don't want to forgive him but really cut him some slack. He's given all of us United supporters his blood, and sweat and he leaves his heart on the field. Now I have a question for you if he does stay until the end of his career and smashes United records will you give him credit then or will you still hold a bad decision over his head?
Darren-Bermuda
ps. People make mistakes life is hard blah blah you get it I know you do...Wait it would be like your boss making you work overtime and not getting paid for it. Rooney had to play injured and when he wasn't fit due to his importance to the team. Now he's getting paid for his overtime and he has competition for his place so back the lad he could be here for a long time. It would get very boring reading your anti-Rooney posts for years to come lol.
Darren - ok, I get that you love Rooney and want to have his babies, but we're going to have to disagree on this one :)
Just ask yourself tho, if he cares so much about this team, why can't he do the bare minimum as a professional footballer on £250k a week, and stay fit for a few months a year - not a lot to ask mate, and maybe says plenty about his real attitude.
Don't get me wrong, I'll back the lad when he steps out on the pitch each week, if he can stay fit, but I think you might be a little deluded if you think he's going to be here for any length of time. I don't think a sizeable offer from any of Europe's big guns, will be strongly resisted next time - just my opinion.
StevieK
StevieK, Rooney is our highest paid player, but his salary isn't close to what the papers report. His basic salary is £160k a week, but huge bonuses can take it nearer £200k. Bonuses will depend on goals scored, cups won etc, RVP will be on a similar salary. The Glazers are not stupid and have worked it so if United are doing well, the player will do well. If United do not win trophies or the player fails to score goals he will not get as much in bonuses. Rooney will be on a basic salary whilst injured and the insurance will be paying part of his basic salary. Then you factor-in that he will receive 50% of his basic salary due to tax. So Rooney will be sat on his ass earning around £80k a week in salary whilst injured. Not bad I am sure you would agree, but not £250k either like the media would want you to think he is getting.
Sydney!
I still think your SAF son Sydney, with all this inside info on wages and who is leaving an coming into the club...
Sydney!
your analysis of his wages misses the point totally. It is not just about the numbers.
My complaint with Rooney, is that instead of going to see Fergie, saying, "sorry boss, I messed up. Made a stupid spur of the moment decision that I now regret. I'll go back out there and give it my all for the team". That would have been fine - I could have put it down to stupidity on the part of a youngish, poorly-educated lad from the back streets.
But no, that wasn't how young Wayne chose to apologise. He chose to also ask for a payrise as part of his apology - very remorseful. I can bet Utd didn't just volunteer this payrise out of the goodness of their hearts, so it has to be assumed that Wayne and his agent brought this to the table - through his tears of contrition, mind you. That's my issue with Rooney - he messed up, but then compounded his treachery by lining his pockets as a result. That's not simple stupidity, it's calculated planning.
Sydney! you see, it wouldn't have mattered if he'd got a payrise of 50p, the figures are immaterial - it's the principle of the thing. He made this club and its manager look weak and stupid, yet gets rewarded for it, whilst the likes of Evra and Nani for all their slagging, at least stayed in the trenches ready to fight to get the club back up again, without feeling the need to blackmail the club for a payrise as a pre-requisite for their staying to do so.
Yet there are still gullible fools on here cheering him to the rafters, because having grown up on a diet of Utd success, all they care about is the next three points and Utd winning titles, and to hell with what he tried to do to our club. Some of us think there are more important things than 3 points, like the history and prestige of this great club, which Wayne chose to piss over.
StevieK
No name, the info on his wages is not gospel, it is again from media sources but I think a more reliable source from a journalist close to the manager. It also coincides with what Andy Green believes and the figures do add-up so to speak.
Sydney!
StevieK, I completely agree and was just as disappointed as you about the way Rooney went about getting a better deal. Just wanted to point out that Rooney isn't earning £1m for the month he is out injured like some have suggested over the past week or two. Some believe Rooney and RVP are both on basic salaries of £250k a week. That couldn't be further from the truth.
Sydney!
Really? At least he could do is stay fit? You obviously want a Rooney that doesn't chase 50 yrds after losing the ball or diving at the feet of an opposing player to block a shot!! these are the things that makes Rooney a hit with a majority of the fans, take this away and he will get less injuries but will be an average player.
His last few injuries were hardly through being over weight (which i don't think he is) or not giving 100%, broken metatarsel and gash to inner thigh. The type of player he is will get knocks every now and again, I'd rather have him than a pussy like striker......he will prove his worth again, but he doesn't have to prove anything to me, I'd be happier with 11 Rooney's than 11 Nani's.
Flyhalf(Mitch)
Hey Guys & Girls,
I am a very rare poster but frequent reader of this site.
I wish I could contribute more often and always promise to try. I am sure not many of you will recognise me, but I think some of the people that have been posting for at least a couple of years will.
Longest intro ever.
Anyway, I just wanted to throw my two cents in on this Rooney contract thread. I am in agreement with StevieK. I think it was a terrible way for Rooney to conduct himself. He used our position against us. He used the fact that there is no Ronaldo, Tevez etc. He used us because he knew he was arguably the most important player for the club. He held the club to ransom.
He would never get away with doing that now that we have Kagawa and RVP in the mix. He would be shown the door.
I have always been a big fan of his. Ever since seeing him in the FA youth cup for Everton. I thought he would reach the top of the game and he has. However, I have never and would never put him in the top bracket of players. So in short I got a lot of respect for Wayne Rooney as a footballer, that's about it though. He lost a huge amount of respect as a person from me. It was worse than Rio playing hardball after missing 8 months due to his cocaine ban, oh sorry I mean skipping the drugs test.
On a side note, this is going to be a cracker of a season. The premiership just keeps getting more and more competitive. I think we have a real good chance of lifting the title even without an extra centre mid that we all yearn for. However, I think the Champions League is a much bigger ask. We are going to require some Chelski type fortune. Although, personally would not and cannot see us ever parking the bus like they did through the latter stages of the campaign.
My posts are normally super long and I would love to go on and discuss transfer targets, possible replacement for SAF and the rest but I gotz to go. Plus don't want to bore you anymore.
Thanks for reading.
U-N-I-T-E-D F-O-R-E-V-E-R
Steviek, yes I wanna have his babies thats good that you got that from my post. Just shows it was a waste of time even bothering to type it out. He admitted he wasn't fit and even Fergie said his injury was a blessing in disguise so he could work on it. Rooney always gives his all but hey that's not enough for you guess you want him to go out and throw himself in front of a shot and... Wait that already happened. He came out and apologised and said he regrets what he did but still you want more. He put his hand up and said he was wrong so why keep having a go? Really I'm surprised you're not still going on about Rio given that the Rooney thing was 2 years ago. It's ok I'll be deluded and give our most important player for recent seasons the benefit of the doubt.
Darren-Bermuda
Flyhalf(Mitch)
My reference to him keeping fit is regarding his pre-season, and the excuses that people trot out about him being a notoriously slow starter to a season. I'm not referring to how much he runs about during a game.
If he laid off the booze and fags for pre-season, he might find that he starts the season a lot sharper. Do you think there might be a connection there? Certainly the least you would expect from a professional footballer in terms of maintaining their fitness levels.
And tbh, I could run about a pitch for 90 minutes. It's all about sharpness. I could run about all game, but not be quick enough at 89 minutes to sprint onto a through ball - just when I'm needed the most as a striker, because I've used up all my energy levels thinking I'm so good, I can play every position on the pitch........ok, that last remark was just lazy slagging :)
StevieK
DB, don't you think it's bad that he couldn't get himself into shape for the start of the season? He seems to think it's one rule for him and another for other players. He had weeks to get himself into shape and IMO he has been unprofessional by falling behind. That said, he is still a United player and while he is a United player he will get my full support.
Sydney!
Like I said Darren, there are two types of supporters.....
StevieK
Darren i am with steve on this one. Did you ever see scholes or giggs, neville, Beckham, Bruce, Palister, Robson and the list goes on including players cyrrently playing show up in the shape he is. on top of that, Take his transfer request That is why he will never be considered as one of the greats for this club. It does not take a lot to lace your shoes up and go for a run in the morning in the summer but he chose to go to LA and party. You seem to forget that it is his job to show up in top shape and ear his salary.
I had dinner with Sir bobby many years ago and remember how proud he was of the guys like Scholes and Neville(btw did not mention Beckham) and he called them special and made a point of saying not just playing wise but character. I doubt he would put Rooney in that group. Shahram
Ok, i get you, you mean his actual fitness condition leading up to the start of the season.
It must be hard for a 27 yr old with all that money to not let your hair down in the couple of weeks between the euros and pre-season, but you're right he has a responsibility to come back to pre-season in a reasonable state of fitness.
At United I'm assuming there are condition coaches and the like keeping a close eye on them leading up to the first league game and if they don't reach a certain standard they are not considered for the starting line up. If not its not just Rooney letting the "team" down.
Flyhalf(Mitch)
09 Sep 2012 23:45:49
Wouldn't it be soooo funny if we did get Ronaldo, so we have the 3 R's up front ripping football apart....
But then Madrid spent the money on a player they do want, Ageruo..!! (sorry if spelling wrong)
They would want to replace Ron.?
Could you see man city fans faces...
BowlDonBowl
Youve got more chance of getting the two ronnies