Manchester United Banter Archive December 11 2012

 

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11 Dec 2012 23:22:06
Like kean and Ferdinand in ferdy case doing it after 8 months out on full pay for a missed drug test
Jred
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Like I said before, Keane never threatened to go our biggest rivals. Keane and Rooney were 2 players that wanted a higher wage but went about it in completely different ways. As for Ferdinand, he won't go down as a true United legend in my eyes either.

TK-Red

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Neither did Rooney. Forget all the stuff made up in the papers, not once did he say or even hint towards the fact that he would be open to play for City.

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Tk
What's your thoughts on Ronaldo after all he actually turned his back on united and left I take it you would never want him anywhere near the club again after what he done
Jred

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Ronaldo did not turn his back and it was all done and agreed behind close doors in a civilized manner. He agreed to a time frame and carried us to CL win PL winning season. He has never spoken one bad word about the club or the manager and has always gone out of his way to praise us and how he loves the place.

I also think financially we were in a terrible spot and needed the money.

Shahram

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Jred - the comparison is not applicable. None of us have ever said players can't go elsewhere - that's part and parcel of modern football, and it would be naive in the extreme to think otherwise. It's how they conduct themselves before, during and after the process that usually determines how supporters feel about them - and who they want to go to of course.

StevieK

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11 Dec 2012 23:10:45
Would like to suggest all Unites fans have a gander at the Arsenal page. Comical!

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I just did and this one takes the cake and could not stop laughing.

I have a theory that I have been mulling over for a while now, and with the alleged "sudden" interest from Man Utd in Theo, it's all beginning to firm up into a possibility...

Wenger happily handed RVP over to fergie, knowing we would be weakend and MU strengthened. Same would apply if he lets Theo go there and brings in Nani.
I'm thinking a deal has been done and, wait for it, shock horror, Man U's next manager will be Arsene Wenger! He's running down our talent pool and building theirs. It all makes sense now!
Merry Christmas one and all.


Shahram

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11 Dec 2012 22:53:29
Impossible mate - he is their god, regardless of how he has behaved. I guess we have just lowered our standards as to what we expect from our heroes these days - that way we're rarely disappointed.

StevieK

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Impossible mate - he will be "their" pantomime villain, regardless of how many seasons he carries the team on his back. I guess how does it matter if he eventually brings glory to the club i love, after all our hatred for "Rooney" can always take centre stage. After all we can fit our arguments as to how Keane was a savior when he changed the wage structure and Wayne a traitor. "Mercenary" is such a popular word - that way we always get a chance to point a finger at a certain someone called Wayne Rooney. If he stays for another 5 years and breaks all goal scoring records, and helps us win trophies galore.... I will ensure that i slate him. He bleeds, breaks an ankle, gets rushed out of injury, gets played out of position, runs his socks off or is an epitome of selflessness on the pitch... He isent playing for the shirt.

I HATE ROONEY

AND NOTHING ELSE MATTERS .....

Ohh he is "their" VILLAIN.

Deeps...

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Well put Deeps...

Gav

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Deeps
Quality
Jred

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All I'm saying is that it doesn't seem to matter to some of you what someone does to this club, as long as he is a top player, or at least one we overhype to the heavens.

Well, I'm sorry, but others think the club is bigger than any one man. Players like Keane, Beckham, RVN - all great players, popular players, but none of them bigger than the club, and all shown the door.

If our team hadn't needed him back then, I'm sorry, but I think Rooney would have been out too.

And then which treacherous little s**t would you have turned to next to fawn over?

StevieK

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So Stevie based on your logic if we didn't need him he would be gone so why is he still here? Summer window has been and gone we got RVP I'm sure we could've gotten another striker if the need be. Are you saying the team still need him? I just want to be sure because according to you the treacherous little s**t should be gone right if he was so bad and did all those horrible things. Get a grip mate your argument is losing it's fire and if he signs another contract then what? Very confusing why we would keep him when plenty on here think he is so easily replaced? Instead we buy players to play with him wtf is up with that? lol you are good for a laugh mate

Darren-Bermuda

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Stevie

Previously i swear i admired most of your banter, even if we were at the opposite ends of the spectrum. But my friend, now the hatred has gone way beyond limits and hence you kind of act as an Anti Rooney crusader. Treacherous little S**t? thought you would manage better Stevie honestly. Find me any post where me/Darren/Jred have mentioned that Rooney is at Ronaldo's or Messi's level. All we say is, how can you hate someone who is so important to the club that you can die for? Isent it kind of contradicting yourself? Mate, I dont need "RVP, Flavour of the month, banging them in for fun" to jump around in joy like a little kid. The team plays well, that should do. And if Wayne the "traitor" performs his heart out, he has got my support, always will. He ends up with us, make no mistake, he will end up being a legend.

Anyways opinions differ :)

Deeps...

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11 Dec 2012 22:42:47
Not man utd related, i think arsenal won't win a trophy in the next 7 years. Stoner if u say man utd is a mid table team, what about ur gooners?

Stanod

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11 Dec 2012 22:33:55
Where's Stoner???

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11 Dec 2012 22:26:50
STONER....... haha Bradford with your first team....... RVP was your one man team, without him you are the weakest link!!......goodbye.
Flyhalfmitch.

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11 Dec 2012 22:26:17
stoner i see you have lost to the mighty bradford

win the league next season seriously man give up what ever it is your smoking

quie1989

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11 Dec 2012 22:25:15
Hey Stoner, United are bad? Arsenal just lost to Bradford City, who is in decline now?

-JakeW

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11 Dec 2012 22:10:27
I would give Hummels number 9 if it meant signing him!

Ste-Utd

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Keep meaning to reply to another post!

Ste-Utd

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11 Dec 2012 21:03:00
It's been confirmed that the coin that struck Rio Ferdinand was actually a Euro, as Man City fans no longer have any need for them..


N.I. Devil

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11 Dec 2012 21:16:27
Arsenal fielding their strongest line-up against Bradford City in the Coca Cola Cup. Wenger really is worried about his job. What a pathetic club Arsenal have become. No wonder Stoner is coming on our site as he doesn't have much to look forward to with Arsenal.

Sydney!

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Stoner. You are not stoned. Bradford just beat you. Tripping balls!

DanB

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Glorious by Vermaelen

Jaxer

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Just to say the strong lineup didn't seem to help...sorry to be the bearer of bad news, Stoner! (I'm assuming you're on the United site rather than watching that poor excuse)

Gav

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And losing lol...

If we're not good enough for the top four, Arsenal should be in the relegation zone.

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Watched the whole match , admirable courage and determinaton , their fans deserve it , well played bradford

nikz

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11 Dec 2012 20:59:42
makes me laugh how these id1ots say we are a one man team... bet it's the same id1ots that said the same when we had ronaldo, then when ronaldo left it was rooney, now it's RVP...


JK92

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11 Dec 2012 20:38:09
I wonder what the odds are on Real Madrid finishing 3rd, winning the CL and losing Ronaldo & Mourinho to us. If it happens I'd be rich!

Fresh!

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Bayern will win the champions league and real will finish second in Primera.

Shahram

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11 Dec 2012 20:25:18
Like I said RVP is the simple difference between yourselves and mid table, you can paint any picture you want of not being a one man team and how many points you are above anyone else but the simple fact is you are there because of him. You have been outplayed by teams and he has saved your bacon. Deny it all you like but stats dont lie.
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STONER!
But the stats are all worphed Stoner, sure take RVP out of our team and we lose a lot of goals which does lead to points, but by that fact you are saying we would be playing those games with just ten men and last time i checked we have other top forwards ala hernandez, wellbeck and when fit keane. now its just a small hunch by me, but i guess maybe another member of our 1 man team would of stepped up to the mark and maybe just maybe chipped in with a few goals i mean the stats prove that dnt they? hasn't Hernandez scored goals and winners this season when played? Hasn't wellbeck? i mean when fit again kagawa, another memeber of our 1 man team has scored a few too!
I dnt blame you for not seeing this as it's been so long since your club have put together anything resembling a top team.
Im sure you will look through your bitter filled, rose tinted glasses that are bigger than india and point out that ''er we have cazlora and wilshire'' yes granted you do..for now...., untill a real top four team comes in and gladly releases the player from his stepping stone club and onto the real things in football, winning trophies and maing history and last time i checked the stats show we have been and continue to do so!!
The only history at your club is your club!
Then we hear ''yeh we regulary make a profit every year!'' yeh that has really benefited the fans hasn't it! Im sure when you go to the Emerates and buy your £11 fish and chips sit down in your £80+ seats that are exactly the same faciliates u find at any other prem ground and drink your £7 drinks and sit back safe in the knowledge that you, like every other club that isn't run by a sugar daddy is making someone else rich!
But..... at least after all that you can at least sit down and not sing and watch a gd team that attacks passion and intent play ARSENAL off the pitch each week.
Then you go home ring 606 football phone in and tell alan green all the things you arn't going to do about it again and totally ruin mummys relaxation day!
You really do need to up your banter my friend with something more relevent and true
Chris the REDman

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So we're a 1-man team now we have RVP, but for those 8 years when you would play terribly but a wonder goal by reliant robin you weren't?
Nov00

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Stoner, Rooney scores 2 goals and Van Persie scores the winner yet we're a one man team.
Rio was a rock in defence yet we're a one man team.
Ashley Young and Rafael supplying crosses for the goals on Sunday, yet we're a one man team.
RVP is a quality player and could be the difference this season between losing or winning the league but to say we're a one man team sounds bitter and twisted, we've scored 40 premiorship goals this season and 30 of them were scored by others which is without looking up competitive with other top clubs in the league if not more, yet we're a one man team.
If you want to see a one man team switch over to a website 1 now, if you had RVP still you would be beating this league 2 team Bradford, after 2 hours of football 1-1.
Flyhalfmitch.

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11 Dec 2012 20:08:02
Stoner hate to break it to you mate but you are like the guy who's girlfriend has dumped him but he just hangs around trying to catch a glimpse of her and hoping somehow she will come back. RVP has left you. He wanted to come and play for us and he is never coming back so get over it and do one. I AM KLOOT

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Lol!
Game, Set & Match. KLOOT WINS! Perfect!

DodgyBanter

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Great post KLOOT

Gav

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11 Dec 2012 20:00:15
Ok KLOOT in going by wot u say, he isn't in that class, u mean robson? Who was one of the guys who indulged in the drinking culture that formed at united in the 80s? Or the keane that gave a very outspoken view of our team on OUR t.v. Station? Law who moved to city? Best who drank his career away? Yeh they all done that for the best of our club did they? chris the REDMAN.

Where do i begin firstly with Bryan Robson. There was a drinking culture at every club in the country especially Liverpool who were winning everything. What Robson did was carry this club on his back for a decade and never ever gave less than his all for the shirt. Probably the best captain the club has ever had and a one hell of a player. Now we shall move on to Roy Maurice Keane who went on MUTV and made comments about players like Kieran Richards who had played 12 games for the club had won nothing and yet was buying himself a Bentley. Keane was Fergies mouth on the pitch and if he didn't think you were giving it all he would let you know. When he did ask for a pay rise which he was entitled to the club sent letters out to all the supporters saying that ticket prices were going up in order to pay him. That is what pissed him off and quite rightly so. Watch the semi final against Juve and ask yourself have you ever seen a better more selfless performance in a red shirt.

Next you talk about the king who was told he was getting a new contract by the doc and then sent on holiday only to find out by watching the news in a pub in Scotland that he had been put on the transfer list. He was actually a city player before he played for United and he didn't want to move out of the area. European player of the year and absolute goal machine plus the reason we pulled our shirts over our fists.

Finally George. "Oh he drank his career away" did he? was that before he won the European cup became European player of the year won league titles and all this whilst bedding miss worlds.

Quite frankly Chris you have made a fool of yourself with your personic post which compares Rooney to 4 absolute legends of the club. Hang your head in shame or better still learn the history of your club. I AM KLOOT

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Robson was a great player despite downing a dozen or more pints a night, no-one can question his commitment to the cause and one of the main reasons i'm a united fan.

Keane took over and drove this club on. Turin was a great night and a top performance from a player knowing he'd be misisng the final if we won, he still made sure his team mates were in that final.

I missed Law but goal machine covers it.

And Best, well what more can be said, yes he drank his career away in the end but what a career. The game is missing a true icon like Besty rather than these plastic, pc, players today. Balotelli tries, which is why i think Kloot has a soft spot for him, but he's too much of an person.

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So in 2010 Rooney question the ambition of the club and ability to compete I think kloot has been doing that since the glazers took over
As for best great player that he was there is no doubt drink took a toll on his career and life
I hate it when people try to romanticize what is a serious illness
Jred

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"Yes, I'm sick enough to ask for a move, I've got nothing against the management. It's the team. It's not good enough. It's just not going anywhere. I could go right through the team and find things wrong. People knock me when I'm not doing it, but when I'm not doing it, who is? Brought along the right way, Sammy McIlroy could be a great player in five years. But I can't wait five years for Sammy to become a great player. I'd go anywhere, anywhere I thought there could be success."

George Best - Sod this, I'm of to Marbella. By John Roberts.

Now KLOOT, probably don't need to tell you that John Roberts wrote for The Daily Express, The Guardian, The Daily Mail, the Independent, Collaborated with Bill Shankly on his autobiography, ghosted Kevin Keegan's first book, has written other books on George Best and Manchester United's Busby Babes (The Team That Wouldn't Die), so fair to see, quite a respected journalist.

Point is, had these quotes been made by Best 30/40 years later, what would the difference be to what Rooney said? And had United said to Best, here's a new contract and he signed it would you be criticising Best?

Fact is, Rooney has made a mistake and apologised, Roy Keane spent a night in the cells after a United game, a mistake he made and others have made mistakes to.

We're in a generation where clubs need to show their ambition by throwing money at it, United offered Rooney a large contract for a long period to show their ambition, it's not like he signed it and left the following summer, not even you can deny he gives 100% every time he plays for us?

He is a player who's body shape will always be a problem for him, he can't help this, it's his genetics, I can't think of a season where he has had a summer off without playing an International Tournement or been injured so therefore he hasn't had the perfect break. But maybe he did come back overweight, Anderson, Ronaldo ( Brazillian) Puskas before all of them had weight issues and Rooney needs to be playing to get his perfect shape and he does get there!

Frankly, you hatered of him is bordering embarrassing now, you talk about selfless performances, Rooney is sacrafising is natural position every time he is asked to without complaining, asked after the game on Sunday about his two goals, he said it didn't matter who scored as long as United won!

I bet at School you used to pull the girls hair who you fancied, wonder if this is where this obsession for Rooney is coming from!

Ports

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11 Dec 2012 19:13:18
I have a question for Sydney! And anyone else that wants to answer. You state you think Rooney will leave at the end of the season. Now my question is. Who out there is capable of replacing him. The criteria needed to fill is:
1. Scores 25+ goals a season
2. Can link attack and defence
3. Can spread the ball easily and pick a pass
4. A good set piece on him
5. Willing to run all match and track players back and put in 100% effort each game
6. Capable of picking the teams morale up and driving them forward.
ATM I can't think of many or anyone I could see replacing rooney's contribution to the team... Players I like are; Reus, Gotze and Ozil. Maybe ronaldo but not sure he would be as effective in a central role and being told to do what he wants but that might leave us too open as he isn't a hard enough worker defensively
The Red Manc

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Goetze would be the perfect replacement.

G.A.G.U.S {Ed004's Note - Yeah I reckon Goetze would be the perfect replacement. I think selling Rooney and buying James Rodriguez/Mesut Ozil and Goetze would be brilliant business. Then spend the transfer budget and fee for Nani signing a lb, CDM and possibly a cb and another cm}

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True, very good point.

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In what way would Gotze be the perfect replacement? He's a way different player, Muniain's a far closer replacement, if we're to get one. Runs all match, tenacious, skillful, picks a pass.

Percy {Ed004's Note - I feel Kagawa could move into a more central position behind RVP and gotze is a very hard worker. Brilliant link up play, skillful, huge potential and scores}

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Rooney won't go anywhere I don't think, why would he go and where would he go? You have to ask yourselves those questions. We will be significantly stronger after the summer anyway - hopefully Ronaldo, but I think we will sign Rodriguez & a few others.

Fresh!

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If we need a replacement, which I don't think we do, Muniain is much more alike.

Percy

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If Rooney went... I would like a front 4 of.

Ozil__Kagawa__Goetze
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Rodriguez__Kagawa__Muniain
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Goetze and Ozil are both players I would love to see at United. They are perhaps better technically than Rooney but I'm not sure either would guarantee to meet criteria no.1 in the OP. Rooney's goals from that withdrawn position are what would be hardest to replace IMO

Gav

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11 Dec 2012 18:59:14
The conspiracy side of me notices our lack of a number 9 and Lewandowski's obvious preference for that number (Dortmund and Poland). Just a thought.
Also, who are we likely to be in for in January? If the talk of this being Ferguson's last season is true, it is the last window to make it his squad, and Baines, Zaha and Strootman all offer improvement to the squad, as well as none being cup tied for the Champions League, which Sir Alex wants to win again.
So, thoughts of likely incomings and outgoings?
Also, how good was Sunday? Still haven't come down off of the pure adrenaline I felt

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Stupid post, just remind me how many goals we have scored this season!

Coombesy

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11 Dec 2012 18:34:19
Why don't we go Dutch? Add Robben and Schneider?
Cosh

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Because they are both past it, Robben is a disgrace as a professional footballer, truly one of the laziest i have ever seen, makes Berba look like speedy gonzalez.

And Sneider had his chances and turned us down, now he's past it and after 1 last big pay day.

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No no no no no!

DodgyBanter

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Oh my god, how long have we been after sneijder? Seriously, it's not that difficult to spell is it?

GDS

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Sorry for the misspelling GBS, why be so pedantic?
Rest of you - Robben looked good in the Euros, Sneider is still a class act. Maybe you have something about signing Dutch 28 year olds?
Cosh

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11 Dec 2012 17:49:10
eds(if around) why do you think petrucci isnt getting any chances? Is it looking more like a pogba-like departure for him?

WILL {Ed004's Note - I think he is destined to leave unfortunately}

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Its because he always seems to be injured or coming back from injury. He's been out for a month or so and just getting back to fitness.

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It's smple , he's not good enough.
Raffael

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11 Dec 2012 18:23:46
Ok, sit down, but I'm going to stand up for Kloot. I understand how he feels about Rooney's transfer request and I respect his passion in caring for the club so much that he cant' forgive him. I also strufggle with Rooney as a bloke for his off field indiscretions that turn my stomach but I guess it takes all sorts. However, he is clearly a good player who when played up front can contribute a great deal to our success.

But...reading words like immense, world class, unbelievable make me think I watched a different game. I'm not dissing him, just pointing out that some peole get carried away with the hype. I don't even think he was our best player on Sunday. Hehd a good game along within several other players. MOTM for me was Rio (didn't think I'd ever say that again) but apparently he is over the hill and past it. I know the Rooney groupies will savage me, bring it on and as KLOOT says...tell me the last game he truly dominated and took by the scruff of the neck. A good player, possibly a great player, but stop trying to make out he is Messi or Ronaldo and abusing anyone who doesn't buy into the hype.

AJH

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Has anyone really compared him to messi or Ronaldo
Jred

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TBH if I chose who I like based on personality rather than ability and effort - I would not like Evra or probably Rio either. The thing is, I choose to support them all because they play for United, and do put in the effort

I wouldn't say Rooney was 'world class' on Sunday but I think his input was most vital to getting the 3 points. RVP would be isolated without Rooney and we would miss out on his always forward-looking style. If Wellbeck/Hernandez had started I don't think we would have won. However, if Smalling (for instance) had started in Rio's place we would still have had a good chance of winning IMO. That's the difference for me

I do agree there has been too much Rooney hype over the years, but then I can't remember many doing so recently TBH? He's clearly not in Messi/Ronaldo class and never will be now, but I'm fine with that because they play for other teams whilst Rooney still happens to be one of OUR best players!

KLOOT has been negative of Rooney's performances, very negative. I don't see what that has got to do with what he did in the past, he's either one of our best players or isn't

Gav

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Impossible mate - he is their god, regardless of how he has behaved. I guess we have just lowered our standards as to what we expect from our heroes these days - that way we're rarely disappointed.

StevieK

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I agree he had a good game. The point I was making was that some people are wetting themselves...probably because it is Rooney. I really don't have a problem with him as a player, I just get frustrated with people continually calling him world class, or comparing him to players like Robson who he cannot be compared to.

AJH

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Lowered our standards on what we expect from our heroes? Ryan Giggs...the man is the of the earth and that isn't me lowering my standard, he set the standard. Human rat that he is!

GBI

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I agree he had a good game. The point I was making was that some people are wetting themselves...probably because it is Rooney. I really don't have a problem with him as a player, I just get frustrated with people continually calling him world class, or comparing him to players like Robson who he cannot be compared to.

AJH


This is exactly my main issue with DDG mate. Its just not as simple as saying well he is young and has potential so he is definitely going to be world class when many on here are already labelling him that.

Jono

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StevieK

Rooney certainly isn't my hero and never will be. Ryan Giggs and Eric Cantona for me! (for different reasons)

All I'm saying is Rooney is one of our best players and I'll always support him so long as he gives 100% in each game, which he generally does. The way I see it, the only way he can make up for what he did is by giving 100% back to us, year after year for as long as he is asked to. So far he has done so IMO so deserves some respect for that

Gav

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GBI, I don't csre whos shagging who. All I care about when Utd are concerned, is that the players treat the club with respect and give their all. Rooney only scores on one of those.

StevieK

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Gav, I'll support all our players when they've got the shirt on, but I don't have to like him, and I certainly don't have to respect him.

StevieK

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StevieK

Fair enough. I meant more respect what he does for us continually as a team, not respect him as a man. TBF I couldn't give a toss what anyone thinks of him personally

I don't think that many poeple on here see him as a god or hero from what I read, but most can see that without him we'd be a great deal worse off. I can understand critisism towards him as a person but not towards his input to the team

Gav

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11 Dec 2012 18:17:52
Jono, when you are in a hole, put your shovel down mate.

DDG may or may not go ont o be a great, either at United or elsewhere but your criticism of him is irrational. I've often questioned how ready he is but the lad clearly has huge potential and is a far better keeper right now than Lindergard. I respect your right to have the view you do...but sometimes you just need to let it go.

AJH

AJH

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11 Dec 2012 18:15:13
hangeland will join utd next year along with ronaldo and isco .spurs to sign nani .

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2-3 wouldnt be bad, can't see Nani going to a prem club.

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11 Dec 2012 18:54:31
should have said 2 out of 3 wouldn't be bad

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No N0me

Complete bs post and 0 for 3 as the only guy who we want needs another floatation to fund the purchase.

Shahram

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11 Dec 2012 18:10:27
Arsenal in for Celtics powerhouse Victor Wanyama, bid expected to be around £30 million to beat any offers from Man Utd, Man C, Chelsea, Barcelona, Bayern M, Milan & several teams in Russia who are all more than interested in the Kenyan.

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Arsenal are going to pay £30m for a player?! Hmmm, I'll wait for the confirmation on this one rumour I think before spreading it...

Gav

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1. Arsenal won't spend 30 million on a bucket carrier. They wouldn't pay 30 million for Messi if given the chance.

2. Linked with Barca, Madrid and Bayern. Really? The same Bayern that bought Martinez, Madrid that has Modric, Alonso & Khedira and Barca have Busquets and Mascherano. City have more centre mids than they know what to do with.

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Looks like a delusional Celtic fan has found his way onto the mutd page!! Go to bed son!

GBI

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Try 10-12 and that is what he will g for.

Shahram

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11 Dec 2012 17:57:15
Hey Stoner,
Fact: With our average and old team we slugged it out with the best team in the league and lost only by goal difference.
Fact: We are six points clear at the top with average and old. You wish you were in our position.
Fact: Robin Van Persie is a Manchester United player. Suck it up and get used to it. Paid £24million for him.
Fact: MUFC is better than AFC. Proven.
Fact: Your banter page is boring so you just had to come over.
Fact: Your are just a bitter old man
PeeBoaiy

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11 Dec 2012 18:50:39
Fact: you've really upset me your so nasty, you guys come out with all the best gags, it's no wonder I pop over.

Stoner

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11 Dec 2012 17:00:15
Of the big four you are becoming the weakest link. Goodbye.

Stoner

You said you've saw best law and charlton right? Well if we are the weak link of the top 4 then going by your ridiculous "opinion" do you think they were average players? But anyways If we are the weak link why are we 6 points clear at the top and arsenal( supposedly top 4) sitting mid table? Please reply to me as I look forward to hear you explanation as to why we are miles ahead of you!

Caol醤.

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11 Dec 2012 18:18:25
Like I said RVP is the simple difference between yourselves and mid table, you can paint any picture you want of not being a one man team and how many points you are above anyone else but the simple fact is you are there because of him. You have been outplayed by teams and he has saved your bacon. Deny it all you like but stats dont lie.

How many times has it been said the title was not won before Christmas. You say the same as us that you're only 3 players away from brilliance.

We have won nothing for 7 years you are on the verge of treading that same path. I appreciate you guys wear blinkers the size of an african elephants ears but again like I said SAF has worked miracles with what is without question one of your poorest squads.

It's only natural to stick up for your team and I can in know way argue that you are not top for now.

Lets wait and see shall we. I'm not going anywhere in a rush.

Stoner

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Well ok then you said he is the diffrence between united and a average team well arsenal had him last season and you where never in the position where in now
so maybe arsenal are below average

quie1989

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Stoner,

Take a look at the final league standings from last season. We were joint top on points, not mid-table. Yet, I don't think RVP played for us last season? Hmmmm, strange

Also, may I remind you how far behind us you finished last year. Then take into account that you don't have RVP this year....that's it...has reality set in yet?

Last point, with regards your "we shall see" gem - don't make be dig out some of your posts from the end of last season just to prove how valid your predictions are ; )

Congratulations on putting yourself into the same category as L'pool fans i.e. dellusional and bitter

Good day!

Gav

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11 Dec 2012 19:16:53
Gav,

Dig away and get back to me.

Stoner

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Stoner

Can't be bothered right now, sorry

Tell me, how do you justify the comment on RVP keeping us away from midtable when without him (and Kagawa) in the same squad last year we finished equal 1st on points? I'm not seeing your logic

I'm afraid your out of yet another trophy tonight...did you even watch?

Gav

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11 Dec 2012 16:52:08
Jono

Frankly, I give up. You're similar to Percy and his man love for Nani, except you have man hate for De Gea. What was it Sydney said? Some people just pick a player and no matter what they do, they won't be good enough. You're basing the majority of your argument on him leaving for Spain. He is an Atletico Madrid fan, and has already said no amount of money would convince to join Real, and Barca won't need a keeper for a long time yet. You're making a big deal of a small fumble that went nowhere, even though Lindegaard made a worse one last week. You're probably the only poster that didn't criticise Lindegaard last week. Wonder why?

G.A.G.U.S

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My main point of my arguement is I don't believe he will be world class where as everyone else seems to think its a definite he will be. I don't see how anything is guaranteed in football and similarly to how many don't believe that cleverley won't be world class I'm the same with DDG.

I don't hate him mate that's far to harsh a word. I want him to succeed but I do believe he won't be here long and I don't want to think of following arsenals way of just prepping the young foreigners for the move to Spain. Even Syd who was certain before we signed him he would be here for 10+ years is saying he will be world class but possibly not with us.

I do believe Linders is a more than capable keeper and I'm not saying he is of the quality to be our main man but at this moment they both have big holes in there game and I feel more confident with Linders in there. Just my personal opinion.

If DDG stays and becomes as good as everyone thinks he will then great for us and I'll eat my words but I won't hold my breathe.

I just hope people realise that potential at 22 should be comin to the fore but I would have a handful of other top keepers ahead of DDG if I had the choice but we have DDG and although I might be a bit ott with my criticism of him you can't say Linders gets it just as bad as so many are clearly DDG fans and so nit pick with any Linders mistakes.

We should just agree to disagree on this and let time show us all who is right.

1 question I will ask is do you believe the story of ddg's teeth as a reason for his recent absence?

Jono

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The man hate comment did make me laugh though ha.

Jono

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He's like everyone else on this forum, he has an irrational hatred of a great player.

Percy

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Jono,

Whether you believe them or not, the following are facts:

1. DDG is the best shot-stopper in the world today. I'm not talking about him overall as a goalkeeper, this is based only on his shot-stopping ability. There is no other keeper on the planet today who would have kept out Mata's free kick last year or the volley at Stoke last season.

2. DDG is also the best in the world at distribution. Based on his distribution, he could actually walk into our midfield.

3. Lindegaard is nothing more than a safe keeper. He is solid but I wouldn't count on him to make spectacular saves that DDG has already made.

Leaving DDG out the last few games, whether because of is tooth or ebcause he was dropped was a massive mistake. Frankly, SAF has made quite a few of those lately but that is another issue. DDG is only 22 and speaks very little English. He plays behind an ever-changing defense. Not commanding his area as well as he should is excusable. Lindegaard speaks fluent English and is very experienced. His lack of command at Reading is inexcusable.

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11 Dec 2012 16:43:04
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tb2oHfZO_Y&feature=g-user-u

Proof that Rio Ferdinand was nowhere near the City fans.

G.A.G.U.S

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Still gives me goosebumps!

Hoppy

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11 Dec 2012 16:40:44
I am going to stick my neck on the line here and say carrick is the only player who reads the game well in our midfeild!

He does a job!

I used to think he was rubbishe but this year i have watched him for what he is supposed to do and he has done it exceptiionally well everytime!

Big v

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I had a similar 'light bulb moment' around 12 months ago. He actually does the job asked of him on a consistent basis and has been our best midfielder (not hard I know) for a while IMO. He's not everything I would want in a CM'er but he's the best we've got

Gav

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How come so many disagrees.
carrick is under-rated and does his job perfectly. keeping the ball and relieving pressure

TRUMORS

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Jee Finally some people who talk sense.

Shahram

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11 Dec 2012 16:15:15
I openly invite any fans of Arsenal and Liverpool to predict the next season that their team finishes above Manchester United in the league.

Further to that, how about putting a small wager on it with your local bookies. I'm certain you'll get decent odds on it with the rapid decline you predict for us, and rise to prominence you foresee for yourselves.

Go ahead, stick your neck out.

Nizza

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11 Dec 2012 16:48:10
Nizza,

I openly invite you to pop down the bookies and put a massive wedge on you winning the EPL or the Champions League this season.

Don't forget to pop back and tell me how much you lost.

Stoner

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Stoner go put a massive wager that arsenal will win the league again and tell me what you lose! 15 points mate.

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Stoner get back to your day job. Those Xmas cracker jokes need writing.

Bazza

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Haha still , thank you for giving your captain to us, he's doing fine here and actually has a better chance of winning something than at Feeder fc . I fully understand Wenger selling him for footballing reasons,be it for Robin's rather than arsenal's
DJ

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Sort of an irrelevant reply Stoner...

Luke

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Stoner

1) I do have a wager on us winning the PL, so I'll let you know how I get on!

2) I don't think any of us on this site think we are in with a good chance for the CL this season, but there you go, we are realists whilst you are dellusinional (kind of what the OP was getting at!)

Gav

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Also Stoner please answer - how does it feel being officially a feeder club for the top teams?

Fabregas, Nasri, Clichy, RVP, Song...the list goes on...and it will continue to do so! Which you no doubt know, deep down

Mind you, I'm not sure who is going to be after Gervinho or Giroud! So you can keep them : )

Gav

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11 Dec 2012 15:41:20
all this talk of moyes irratates me.....HE IS NOWHERE NEAR GOOD ENOUGH TO TAKE OVER AS UNITED MANAGER END OFF......

all this crap about him being honest like sir alex?? fergie is one of the most shrewdist businessmen on the planet, how can you say he is an 'honest' man...he lies all the time ffs (which is what i love about him haha!)

to be the united manager, the candidate needs to have a head as strong as an ox's.......david moyes is not a strong character in the slightest, hes a real humble kind of guy.....

we need someone in with the confidence, personality, tactical awareness and whos good in the transfer market....there are only 2 candidates imo that would suit the job:-

Jose Mourinho and Jurgen Klopp

Personally id love to have Jurgen Klopp, i think hes an outstanding manager i really do, has done absolute wonders for dortmund.....

Pep Guardiola i don't think is the man for us.....he managed Barcelona and tbh any one of us could have been managing them for the same period with the same team players and achieved the same or maybe even more! he never ever had a plan b, it was always the same tactics as lets be honest thats all the guy probably knows.....so for me it would be far too much of a gamble....

klopp's track record is immense, dortmund are winning the champions league this year, they just seem to be on another level to anyone else that iv seen, even barca will struggle to cope with them.........so that will be all he can achieve in germany accomplished...thing is it may be hard to get him to leave germany to live in manchester or the surrounding area.....only time will tell

Robbo

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Hey Robbo!

I agree in that Klopp is an outstanding candidate to succeed SAF.
I don't agree in your sentiment it might be hard to persuade him to move here.

He gave an interview, funnily just a couple of days before all the Pep talk started (SAF meeting him in NYC) and stating that he is happy at Dortmund and in the german Bundesliga, that he does not feel any pressure to chase his former dream.
He went on to say he always dreamt of managing in England, but since the standard went up in germany in terms of teams, players, stadiums etc. that he doesn't think the Premier League is the El Dorado anymore.

Sounded funny to me back then, but was interesting considering all the SAF speculation started shortly after.

I take from the interview he is happy in germany, but always wanted to work in england.
and let's be honest, where in germany could he move to after Dortmund?
Only Bayern would be a step up in terms of spending power, but the stadium and fan culture is probably better in Dortmund.

I can see him moving to United IF asked

Jonny8

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11 Dec 2012 15:29:29
beyond that your squad is particularly average and old.
stoner.

kagawa, smalling, jones, powell, welbeck, hernandez, rafael, buttner, wooton, de gea, fabio, anderson, cleverley, evans... would't say these are old.. the only average players there are fabio and wooton due to inexperience..

we still have rooney who is 26, valencia and young both 27.. not looking too bad is it.

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What so your saying Buttner and Powell are above average players then?
They have hardly played a game, Powell has come from Crewe where the l;evel is alot lower and the same applies for Buttner.

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No name
who have arsenal got that are above
average and before you say wilshere
he is injury prone maybe cazorla but
the rest are average at best come on arsenal have not won anything in the last five years

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11 Dec 2012 14:26:16
Just going to throw this out there, and I know how much I hate it when people do this but im bored and figured id give it a shout. Top 3 signings for january and/or summer for goes as follows: Hummels, Witsel, Bale.

Hummels is arguably the best cb under the age of 25 at the moment, I'll take him any day. Great passer, great techincal player, and can finish on set pieces if needed.

Witsel is also an amazing talent for his age. From what I have seen he is one of the players in a club who do the little things, solid passer, solid tackler, and sollid positioning defensively and offensively. Would definitely add steel to our midfield.

And lastly Bale, granted he is very streaky and I'm not convinced he's cut out for a top club yet but think of a better left footed left sided player.He tracks back well, would put great balls in the box and provide blazing speed down the touchline.

In addition to that, I would like to see the additions of halilovic or kovacic, along with vadillo or maybe even isco as young squad players.

Dont bash me haha, just a bored man with his thoughts, but thought it was interesting to think about.

Daniel

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Witsel has only just joined Zenit for a staggering 35 million so theres no way on him unless he hates it there & they will drop a huge loss on the transfer.Hummels would be fantastic but cant see happening either.Bale a posibility with Nani going to Spurs plus cash. Hummels,Reus & Falcao for me but i can dream cant i
BLACKPOOL RED

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I'm aware of Witsel recently moving to Zenit along with Hulk, but Hulk reportedly wants out and Russia isn't the most promising place for players to play football. He could move on in the future, but he would be my ideal midfielder for us.

Reus is also a good choice, great player, quick, solid finisher and creative, who would you rather have, him or gotze? Id take a healthy gotze over reus, but then again thats a difference in 10 million. Also reus or lewandoski? ha so many ifs and such but fun to talk about.

With Falcao I would obviously love for us to sign him, but I can see City, Chelsea, or Madrid getting him over us. And hopefully SAF will continue to play Rooney up top considering his previous game along with van Persie who are both playing pretty well right now a move for Falcao would mean one of them plays less or not at all. Also would slow the progression of welbs which i would definitely not want, but by no means is he a top player.

One player I didn't mention that could fill the midfield role like witsel would be gundogen, from what I've seen of him he could be worth a punt. Why dont we just make a bid to Dortmund for Hummels, Reus, Gundogen, and Gotze?! 100 million for the lot!

Daniel

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Hey Blackpool Red,

i'd take those three in a heartbeat, but it would mean another transfer window passed by without targeting our biggest weakness CM!

Jonny8

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11 Dec 2012 14:20:48
Here's is some food for thought, hopefully next season we'll see the back of scholes, giggs and nani. With this I'd love to see us play a 4 1 2 1 2 diamond formation. For the Dm position we'd have Carrick and Tunners and a new signing. For the two Cms spots we'd have cleverly, Powell, petecuci (spelling) and Ando, maybe invest in someone else. And for the cam spot we have kagawa and Anderson if needed

Any thoughts?

1993

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Just one.

Do you not think Scholes and Giggs deserve a better sign off than, 'hopefully next season we'll see the back of them'?

StevieK

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I hate the diamond
Jred

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Thoughts...yeah Tunners aint good enough! Petrucci and Powell are nowhere near the level that is needed in the central midfield area at Manchester United yet.
We need two new additions in the central midfield for next year.

Simmo

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11 Dec 2012 12:09:58
Sydney!

Apologies, only just seen your reply and without looking back pretty sure you said 15 points, time is still on my side.

Miracles do happen though, you've only got to look at your league position to see that. It won't last as nor will your chances in the Champions league. I will be back to remind you as and when its required.

My only saving grace for now is the brand that is Cleverley.

Stoner

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Stoner,

Seriously mate, I'm assuming your an Arsenal supporter, your sounding as deluded as a Liverpool fan, your team is in decline, get used to it. Tottenham and Everton are now better teams then yours.

You're best player is Cazorla, and his stats aren't as good as Kagawa. Who isn't even our most important player. You have no chance of making up 15 points.

Unless you buy in January you can completely forget about the champions league and unless you improve greatly even europa.

Red Joe

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11 Dec 2012 14:11:26
Red Joe,

Appreciate your thoughts but I'm not deluded, I watch football and at this moment in time SAF is making a bunch of sows ears look like a silk purse, I genuinely dont see it lasting, you have RVP, Rafael who is going to become a quality player with more game time, yes Kagawa showed at Dortmund he is class, I like the look of Smalling and Jones.
Powell is a prospect but beyond that your squad is particularly average and old.
You might think I've missed Rooney and yes when he can he arsed he is quality but nothing like world class, never done it on the big stage, never done it consistently, to massive things you need for world class.
Enjoy your position while it lasts and try and be a little honest with yourself. I know full well what a great club Utd are what you have won and some of the true legends you've had the pleasure to watch their.
This is a poor squad and I truly take my hat off to SAF albeit that you will be found wanting when the fat lady is singing.

Stoner

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I would take only Wilshere and Cazorla from the Arsenal squad. Maybe AOC, but still not convinced by him yet. If you think our squad is poor then what do you think about the Arsenal squad? Very poor squad IMO.

Sydney!

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So apart from 6 of our players as well as one of the top goalscorers ever in the premier league the rest of the squad is average AND old.

So vidic is average and old
Hernandez is average and old
Welbeck is average and old
Valencia is average and old
De gea is average and old
Cleverley is average and old

You are either a very young lad to think 22 is old or you have some major issues mate. We don't have the best team fergie has ever had and I am sure he know that's, but we are 3 young quality players away from being possibly the strongest and youngest we have been in years.

Read your post back and tell me you aren't bitter and losing the plot a little bit?

We have beaten Chelsea, city and Liverpool away this season and scored 40 goals all with our captain out injured and the worst midfield in the history of football ever according to many. Deserve a bit of credit maybe them sows ears?

GDS

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So u just listed our future team basically and said they are gunna be gd but apart from that its bad hmmm...... Do how does it feel knowing that our team of young prospects and aging players are well ahead of your sqaud of....... Hm...... I dunno eit to call u, u uses to have an identiy but I dnt know wot u are now? Oh wait yes I do AVERAGE! And your saving grace is we might get knocked out of the CL before u!! Hows that an argument? Hie cone u never appear on our site when ur team loses? ans if u get knocked out of the CL before us will u still come on here ti remind us u have or do u only have anything to say when uere team wins? So maybe 2 out of 4 weeks we will c u

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Seriously ? if rooney is not world class, The whole Arsenal team aint world class.

Desired.

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11 Dec 2012 15:42:18
Oh Sydney!

Face facts....minus RVP where would your top notch squad be, I never mind any banter but if you cant be serious then crack on kidding yourself mate.

Believe it or not I used to go to the Dell in the late 60's as a kid as my old man had season tickets, so I've actually watched the likes of Best, Charlton, Stiles and Law. I used to stand in the Archers Road end right in front of the goal with the away fans behind me. That was when Terry Paine and John Sydenham were banging in crosses for Ron Davies to head in. He actually scored 4 against you once.

My point is Syd I know dross when I see it, I'm not talking about the Arsenal squad, we know what we're lacking and why.

We are not living in fear of falling off that perch your hanging onto with your fingertips. Peaks and troughs Sydney! peaks and troughs.

Of the big four you are becoming the weakest link. Goodbye.

Stoner

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"Face facts....minus RVP where would your top notch squad be"

We would be in the same position as we were last season without him.

People always called us a one man team when Ronaldo was here, when he left we were known as a one man team with Rooney, then it was Nani whilst Rooney was injured and now it's RvP. It gets boring my friend. Last season Arsenal were a one man team and RvP has proven that.

Sydney!

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Stoner,you seems to call most of our players average when your team has more average players.Apart from carzola and wilshere do you have any other quality players?we have rvp,de gea,rooney,valencia,chicharito,kagawa,smalling,rafeal,vidic and this mentioned players will walk straight into your team.you can say we are over relaint on rvp,but last season when we finished 2nd was rvp with us?
Ask your self,apart from wilshere and carzola,how many arsenal players can walk into our team?none i guess.
We are a lot better than your team at the moment.
Jude.

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I see quality all over the United team, and young quality which will only get better; Welbeck, Cleverley, Buttner, Powell, Jones, Smalling etc. You only have to look at the City game to see what Rooney can do when he steps up.

What do I see in the Arsenal team; Wilshere... not another one of your players I would have... Maybe Cazorla...

I see more quality throughout Everton and Spurs...

Go back to your trophyless stadium. All I see here is a bitter Arsenal fan who is trying to compare his own team's misgivings with our own.

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11 Dec 2012 16:51:57
Sydney!

Tell me you didn't write that last reply

Stoner

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Its all in the name STONER!! your not kidding, I'll have some of what he's smoking.

He used to go to the Dell blah blah typical gooner he doesnt even know who he supports!

Thanks for setting us straight, our glorious club is in decline and we have no talent coming through and we are running scared, despite having the two future england centre halves, the brazilian right back, one of englands central midfielders and the centre forward.

Reading that makes me feel so depressed, I wish we were in Arsenals position, create some half decent talent and then sell them.

Jog on you muppet.

NINETEEN

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Stoner

are you serious mate you have not won any thing for five seasons and your gonna come on here and say united are average where top of the league by 6 points in the knock out stages of the champions league
arsenal will be lucky to finish in the top four next season

and i read one of your post about putting money on arsenal winning the league next season
seriously man what are you smoking

LIVING UP TO YOUR NAME

quie1989

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11 Dec 2012 11:26:14
See Jamie Redknapp in the Mail today taking on the role of apologist for the who were throwing coins, taking the view that players shouldn't overdo the celebrations at away grounds.

Aside from the obvious fact Rio was celebrating in front of his own supporters, I hate this mealy-mouthed justification for any kind of misbehaviour these days. It's always someone else's fault - police for being too heavy-handed with rioters, social workers for not taking abused kids away from their parents quickly enough, doctors for not saving an obese smoker, teachers for not controlling unruly kids, footballers for daring to celebrate a goal in front of their own fans.

These apologists don't seem to know the meaning of taking responsibility for your own actions, and use ambiguous language as a smokescreen to deflect attention away from the real wrongdoers - "I don't agree with it, BUT......"

No 'buts'. There is NO excuse for throwing metal objects at players, period Jamie. A thug is a thug, and a cowardly one in this instance who seeks refuge in the anonymity of the crowd, and there is no-one else to blame but the thug.

StevieK

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Spot on Redknapp was always a douche anyhow

Pardoe

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Great post, could not agree more!

del boy!

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Completely agree players week in week out celebrate with their fans and dont get objects thrown at them nor do they ever be told not to do so.

Now all of a sudden cause its Man United the green eyed monster comes out and says they provoked the City supporters and that players need to take responsibility....Its a joke !

Devil Dust.

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Amen.

Shappy

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I'm surprised to see Redknapp say that as, usually, he talks alot of sense IMO. Sure he has an obvious bias towards certain clubs but he normally gives a fair minded opinion. Maybe on this instance he is trying too hard to sit on the fence......or maybe he's talking utter horsesh!t.

TK-Red

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I agree with TK, Redknapp usually talks sense. I genuinely believe people are mistaken and think Rio DID celebrate in front of the City fans. No one has made it crystal clear yet that he celebrated with the United fans, not by the City fans. You have to say it was a great shot mind ;)

Sydney!

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The problem being, and its the same at alot of grounds, even if you do celebrate with your own fans then you are down in the corner of the ground so whilst your own fans might be right in front of you, the home fans are just as close. There is no escaping it unless you ban celebrations altogether which would be ludicrous.

TK-Red

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I normally like him too, not as much as the wife mind.

Also annoys me that 'experts' tend to push the tribalism in football as a working class thing, and they compare it with rugby and cricket crowds being able to sit beside each other - even India and Pakistan - without fighting.

Except, my friends and I are all working class, and none of us have ever felt the desire to potentially maim another human being. It's an insult to working class people to suggest that.

These people just hitch a ride on football's coat-tails, because they know if they tried it in a rugby or cricket ground, they'd be thrown out on their ear by other supporters.

It's become too acceptable, and that, unfortunately, is all our faults. We've turned a blind eye or smiled ruefully at some of the worst behaviour, behaviour that would get you arrested anywhere else, but that is excused in a football ground because it's called 'passion'.....

StevieK

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11 Dec 2012 10:43:18
You don't like him because you don't expect him to stay? And who exactly was daft enough to think when we signed him he'd end up staying for 10-15 years? That was always unrealistic. I've no problems with us spending 6 years turning him into a world class keeper and then screwing Barca or Madrid out of 50 million for him.

Why does it matter if he is here for only 2 or 3 more years.. It just means we will need to buy another keeper when it happens..... I would like us to sign Ter Stegen or Bernd Leno.


Are you guys for real? So we are now following Arsenal and just prepping players for their 'big' move to Spain! Get a fu**ing grip. Thats a disgrace that you would even suggest that. So we spend the next 2-3 years with a keeper who is learning his stuff then if he makes it to a top keeper we can sell him? haha thats a small team mentality NOT ours!

Steve

I'm pretty sure I saw him give Evra a shove out of the way too mate. That's what first drew it too my attention, because I thought, 'good on you son - if you're pushing the captain out of the way, you're getting some balls'.

He did help Evra by pushing him but if you did watch it Evra was already pushing the city player instead of what he was doing v Reading which was standing between Roberts and Linders offering nothing but a second man in the way. I agree that Adler is by far the better choice and IMO should have been the guy we went for after Neuer decided on Bayern but alas it was not to be and we have DDG for the forseeable. What I cannot stand is people saying I am nit picking when they are highlighting the exact same thing with Linders and calling it a mistake.


G.A.G.U.S

Lindegaard against QPR? It wasn't exactly world class. It was a simple save that happened to fall to Mackie. I don't remember anyone slating him for that.

I was having a running convo with someone on here where they were picking Linders save to pieces saying he basically did sh*t and it was his fault for the goal. So if Silva had tapped his shot in would DDG be getting the same? Doubt it. The Linders save was from a closer distance and was just as powerful so he did well to get to it and was unlucky it landed at Mackie's feet to tap in before he even had a chance to react. I am not blaming DDG for the goal I am pointing out how its the same as Linders in that he did well to reach it and it unluckily fell at an oppos feet. Get both incidents up on screens and look at both together and you will see they are very similar yet 1 keeper gets praise and its the others fault? I think its a case of favouritism from many a fan who are a DDG fan more that a Utd fan looking at an incident with unbiased eyes.

De Gea caught a cross cleanly yesterday, yet you make no mention that. He also cleared the box with 2 or 3 very good punches

I have made my opinions on punches very clear on here aswell as using feet to save shots but we shouldnt be celebrating the fact our keeper caught one cross early on. Do you think Big Pete would go in at half time thinking 'Oh I caught a cross early on there, I must be playing well!' Jesus christ if its that bad that one catch is an achievement then we truely are fu**ed. You see keepers like Forster for Celtic barging through a host of players to claim multiple balls in the CL and by that I mean claim it ie catch it not an uncontrolled punch which is the slightest knock away from a fudge up. I dont rate keepers on their ability to punch as its far more uncontrolled compared to catching and keepers trying to catch will get the foul where as ones trying to punch get far less fouls against the striker.

The 'fumble' was a caused by the ball dipping sharply at the last second, which meant he had to readjust and reach out to catch it. It was hardly a fumble anyway.

Seriously? Oh my, a bit of dip yet he caught it in front of himself with both hands on it and then.... he ..... fumbled it. Put any spin you like on it mate he FUMBLED it. An easy, under no pressure catch yet he dropped it. That hardly inspires any confidence in him does it. Do you think SAF was thinking on the sideline 'oh well must have dipped or something' or was he thinking 'Jesus he should be doing better' I know where my money is on.

He's 22 Jono! Neuer is 27? Hart is 25? Casillas is 30? Buffon is 33?

He is 22, that is 22 years old with more top level exp than Jones or Smalls yet we are waiting for this finished article that MAY not even arrive. I never thought we should have went for him in the first place due to his age, inexperience and the fact he is far from the finished article. Im not interested in resale value or his worth for selling in 3-4-5 years time I am bothered about how he will perform in the 3-4-5 years he is with us. So how does it benefit us to have the 3 years a keeper is learning his trade for say Barca or Real to get the finished article in a few years for cash? Are we bothered we buffered the coffers by an extra 10m? Or would you have rather had say Adler who expressed his desire to play for us and his support for us and would be far more likely to spend his best ten years with us? It was an easy choice for me and IMO SAF made the wrong one!

Red man

It is there if you want to see it but frankly De Gea is a terrific young talent who needs the confidence of his manager and the fans. He is one who will develop into one of the worlds top goalkeepers, something Lindegaard will never do.

I agree if you were to place cash on who would be better in terms of career then the smart money is on DDG BUT he is far from being in a position to cash in on it. He is 22 mate. A year younger than Cleverly, a year older than Welbeck yet these players are discussed as being at their peak levels already. Who is to say DDG is not aswell? At 22 he will not naturally grow anymore anything he will gain will be gym and training based. Muscle mass and strength will effect his agility and therefore his shot stopping so where do we get the common ground? A great shot stopper thats weak and unconvincing aerially or bulk him up to help those areas which could effect his best attribute?

There are allot of people saying he will be world class and that its a stick on it will happen all its gonna take is time. Well we have had 2 truely world class keepers in recent times in Big Pete and VDS and looking at DDG I dont think he will reach anywhere near those two's level. Ever!

Jono

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I think DDG will be better than VDS and big Pete. Not sure it will be with us mind.

Sydney!

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How Jono can say this is a wee bit strange. The lad is very young but obviously very talented. He makes mistakes as all youngsters do. Big Pete and Edwin made mistakes early doors - David is much younger.
He will move abroad? Why? He can get immense success at Utd. A footballer's career is short. Give the lad time Jono he could be awesome.
Jock

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For me big Pete was the best gk I have ever seen , ddg has potential but not sure that much IMO
I think people forget ddg is only young and many were expecting miricales from a young lad in a new team and new country.
I think people will see the best of him next year , I also have a feeling fergy is trying to look after him and in the long run will do the right thing by him
Jred

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I can't at times understand people on this site. There's percy who will defend nani however bad he is, then there is kloot aka RFT and his hatred for rooney, and now we have u and u r dislike for DDG.
U say DDG will never be at level of The Great Dane or VDS, mate u cannot be more wrong. I mean look at age at which we signed Big Pete he was 27 or may be 28 and VDS was 35 if i m nt mistaken. DDG is 22 n if u think he won't be as good as Big Pete or VDS at their best by age of 25-27 u really need to have u r eyes checked mate.
I don't say he doesn't make mistakes but he is learning, it's funny how u mention evra n not Lindegaard being at fault for goals against reading beacuse if i remember correctly i saw DDG push evra but even if we beleive as u say that evra was already pushing his man, we must not forget that Lindegard had only evra n roberts to cope with while poor weak DDG had 2 city guys trying to block him off not one n now take into consideration evra and another utd player (sorry can't remember who it was) along with them.
I agree to fact that DDG is not the current best out there but to say lindegaard is better is like saying rooney is not good enough and bebe is better than him.

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Everyone gets on DDG's back for not being great with crosses, but (just to back Jock up) I remember many occasions when Big Pete flapped horrendously at crosses. The one that jumps to mind is Vs Bayern in the group stage 98/99. He was a great goalie etc, but all goalies have their faults (VDS's fault was retiring). Most of us are in agreement that DDG will be world class, but as with Syd! I fear that too much rotation will force him back to Spain, and we will be a worse team for it.

Jaxer

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Jesus Syd thats a very bold statement mate. If he does then I will eat my words but I suppose we will see.

Jock

He could well be immense mate I have never argued that he may end up top notch but from what I have seen I just think his shot stopping as his main attribute and other very important areas are lacking. Yes he is young and has time to improve but 22 is not young anymore mate as you said a footballers career is short and he has been a pro for 4 years already.

Jono

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RED DEVIL

Evra and Linders were at fault that has always been my point. You need to look at the footage mate. The view from behind the goal shows DDG pushing Evra who is straining as he is pushing the city player forward towards the near post allowing DDG space in the centre. Against Reading he stands stock still with his arms up and Roberts has done his job as he doesnt need to move. Linders tries to push both out of the goal and Evans lost his man bosh goal. Yet all we got was Linders getting pelter with a few open eyed guys saying Evans and Evra contributed by not doig their jobs. Look at the weekend mate we were 100% better at dealing with the set pieces the whole team was and as a result DDG had a bit of space to move (and still fumble ;-).

The comparrison of Rooney and Bebe is nothing like DDG and Linders. The keepers have similarly good and bad points and there is a genuine question as to who is better for different games Rooney and Bebe are miles apart. More RVP and Rooney.

Also mate how can you guarantee he will be world class? Please explain how your clearly open eyes know for a fact that he will be world class and better than Big Pete? I personally think he wont reach that level and I will stick with that opinion until I see a stark improvement in the areas I have highlighted but nobody can guarantee it will happen. As I said I want it to happen I am not against DDG I just think Linders gets stick where DDG doesnt and I dont buy into this 'Oh he will be world class' guess work.

Fingers crossed he becomes world class, stays with us for 10 years, goes down as the best keeper ever but I just dont see it.

Jono

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Are seriously debating about DDG abilities after he had a great game against city???
The guy is 22 , did you even heard about hart or buffon when they were 22..??
I guess not!!
He ll be a top class keeper there is no denying of it, just leave the guy alone ,he is the best shot stopper in the world.

Huzzi

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DDG has the attributes to be better than the mentioned, it's up to him whether or not it happens. I think in ten years time he will be known as the best keeper in the world, just doubt it will be whilst playing for us.

Sydney!

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11 Dec 2012 16:14:41
Gentlemen, get a grip. De Gea is only 22. Schmeichel, who is probably the best goalkeeper the game has ever seen and without doubt one of our greatest players ever, was 27 when he joined us. Granted he was an absolute bargain, I think £500,000. De Gea has so much potential, let's be more supportive and enjoy watching him grow into another Utd great.

Irwin's boots

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Huzzi,

In general I agree, but ( I know this because i have been a fan of the old lady since champ man 97/98), when he was 22 Buffon had already played over 100 games for Parma, and Juventus had just paid about £45mil for him. He was already extremely famous and obviously already one of the best goalies in the world

Jaxer

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*just checked it, he had already played over 200 games for Parma

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Jaxer
And DDG has played 100 games for a.madrid, was regarded one of the best in la liga , nd we paid 18 million pounds ,
but after leaving parma buffon didnt became best gk in world is a single season he took sometime,
DDG was bought at the age of 20
ND playing in epl in much harder then serie A

huzzi

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11 Dec 2012 10:43:13
Just a quick post in relation to the future vacant managers position. I see a lot of posters are talking about Ole, Giggs, and Scholes. I think that either Giggs or Scholes would be very poor coaches, for the simple fact that they have only experienced one coach, and one club. They have no experience of playing abroad, or managing another team. At least Ole is doing it his way! Maybe I'm wrong, but to put either Giggs or SCholes following SAF would be unfair on them and disastrous for the club.

J Bones.

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Mate, I'm a little confused because you said you don't think Giggs or Scholes will make good coaches, but then say you don't think it would be a good idea for them to follow Fergie.

Did you mean 'managers'? If so, I agree. They would need much more experience in that role first.

If you did mean coaches, then I have to disagree. What those two don't know about football and how it should be played, isn't worth knowing.

Love to see a future dream team of Ole in charge, with Neville as his assistant/head coach, Scholes, Giggs and possibly Fletcher as coaches, Schmeichel as GK coach, and Beckham with a role in coaching U12/13/14s etc.

StevieK

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Hello StevieK, yes, I meant managers, not coaches. But I would also be worried about them as coaches. Experience cannot be learned, or coached into a person. It needs to be lived. That's why I think people are being very narrow-minded when loading the managment and coaching staff purely with one set of ex-players.
Look at Keane, Bruce, Hughes - all from one team but with very little success between them. I honestly believe the only reason they even got jobs was from where and when they played, not for their abilities.
I think Ole is showing a lot of promise, and everyone knew that he had ambitions to manage when he was still a player. I am so against Giggs being a coach/manager, simply because he does not even recognize that he is past it as a player now, if he got the managers job in the morning for whatever reason, can you see him playing himself in any games? I can, and that speaks volumes.
I hope I'm wrong because the idea of and Old-Trafford boot-room is wonderful, and would be great for the club. But I would be looking for a manager who is currently at the top of his game. You would have to look at Kloop, even though they are a good bit behind BM at the moment, someone there at BD is doing a fantastic job. For example, they sell Kagawa, and buy an absolutely perfect (if not better) replacement in Reus - that is great business. Mourinho cannot be ruled out. Guardiola walked into a great team and made them better. What others contenders are there? When PSG do well in France and the CL in the coming years will people be looking for Ancelotti, even though the only reason he is there is because PSG have spent a fortune!
I really hope that the search for SAF's replacement is in full swing with a dossier compiled for all interested parties, so when the time comes the owners can make an informed, educated appointment, and not blindly pick the flavor of the day. I also hope that SAF becomes like Sir Bobby, a great ambassador, not one who finds it hard to loosen the ties and interfers with the day to day running of the tea.
That's all for now. Anyone have any preferences for SAF's replacement.

J Bones.

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I don't think any of them would be ready to take over once Fergie goes. I was thinking more for the change after that.

StevieK

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11 Dec 2012 01:52:39
This absolutely Epic amazing celebrations from our fans when RVP scored hoepfully ED can put it up!

Sulei

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tb2oHfZO_Y

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11 Dec 2012 01:27:05
i share kloots sentiments , never liked rooney since he held the club to ransom

nikz

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Nikz. Manchester United football club means different things to different people and that it is such a great club. To some it is a way of life almost a religion. To some its just a football team to some its a badge to kiss in a pub on a saturday or sunday afternoon. To some it is just a brand. But to many it is a dream that a great old man built from the ashes of disaster. He made us more than a football club he made us an institution a symbol and gave us a way of playing that was recognised all over the land as the "Manchester United" way. We have seen some of the greatest players ever to grace a football field wear the red shirt of United and we have seen them wear it with a sense of pride. Who amongst us can not say that we haven't had butterflies in our stomachs when we have seen Best, Law, Charlton, Robson,Cantona and Keane plus many others walk out in that shirt. Knowing in our hearts that they were United. Now you can take what you want from United and you can look at them which ever way you want religion or brand. But understand me when I have a dislike for a player who treats the club its shirt and most importantly its supporters with such disrespect. I am not asking you to join me in your dislike of the man it is always your choice, but please please take off the English media glasses about how good he is. Of the players I mentioned earlier he is not fit to be mentioned in the same breath as any of them and I could name at least 20 others who would come above him. Gav I know you will give a reasonable response but the rest of you should think about that overweight and overpaid player who rolled out onto the pitch against Everton this season puffing and panting a yard off the pace and ask yourself this question what does he think about the shirt or us as supporters. I AM KLOOT

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I actually thinm that it might have been a bit of a plan to get the owners to shell out more on wages to attract better players. Would we have signed RVP if Rooney hadn't had a salary hike?

Fresh!

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It is not important if you like him or not. What is important is that Wazza scored 2 great goals against city, he stays fit & focused for the rest of the season, helps win us the league and is supported 100% by the fans.
Without Wazza we would not have been going into work on Monday with a huge grin on our faces and an all day glow of euphoria.
Time to move on.
PerthDave

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Rooney this is your chance to shut me up I have spent all season saying your distribution is poor and you never go past a man. Here is your opportunity to take a game by the scruff of the neck and dominate it as world class players do. I won't hold my
I am kloot
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This was your comment before the city game shame you didn't stick to it
Jred

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Dave, I think his point is, that there are some things more important than one win, albeit against them, and the transient feeling of happiness that he gave supporters on Sunday.

I guess some people can be bought off with a couple of goals against our rivals, or weren't that bothered to begin with about Wayne's actions. KLOOT obviously not being one of them

StevieK

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KLOOT

Respect your views mate. But i have a couple of questions that i would want you to honestly answer.

1) You mention Keane and we all agree that he is a legend. How would you have felt if the wage structure was not broken and as he had clearly mentioned, he would have moved onto Juventus without any issues. Was that a disrespect to the club, its fans and the shirt?

2) You mention he was a stone overweight and huffing/puffing his way through to shame at Goodison. But you forget to mention his 34 goals last season which single handedly kept us in contention. Bayern Munich 2nd leg CL Q/F, a 50% fit Wayne Rooney is selected to play. He gives it his all and limps off. Plays wherever the manager asks him to play. That for me my friend deserves respect.

I understand ur dislike but can you for once put things into perspective and not get blinded by the hatred.

Deeps...

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Ok KLOOT in going by wot u say, he isn't in that class, u mean robson? Who was one of the guys who indulged in the drinking culture that formed at united in the 80s? Or the keane that gave a very outspoken view of our team on OUR t.v. Station? Law who moved to city? Best who drank his career away? Yeh they all done that for the best of our club did they?
Rooney is not perfect by any means but hes not the only legend of our club that has brought unsavory moments to our club either, and for u to continually single him out after every game even after a great performance I think shows your lack of respect to united players, y dnt u stop watching or going to games and just watch re runs if when u still had the love for the players in the team.
I must also state in making my argument I am in no means slating previous players as the ones u habe mentioned are right up tjere as my all time great players, but just wish u would stop ure hatred of a fellow united player that has given us some amazing moments over the years as did the above mentioned, even if he sometimes did need reigning in as did the great George best, but I guess u now have wot u want a little sheep to back up your words now in nikz.
Chris the REDMAN

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Whilst I totally agree with the first part of your post The Rooney bit I am slightly in disagreement with.

Agreed it does take him time to get to his fighting weight I still believe he gives his all for the shirt, we as fans have always loved someone who puts everything in above being a great player

Pardoe

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The Rooney debate.As a footballer he's good but not world class,he gives 100% nearly all the time but for anyone to suggest he loves man utd is delusional its just a job to him.Yes he'll have an affecdtion for the club but thats it.He's a mickey & always will be.As a person he's a first class muppet.I have first hand knowledge of this.I've been at carrington when he just drives by & ignores you not even giving you a second glance.Now i could understand if there were thoussands of people there.There was me with my 8yr old son.The same applies to choles & gary neville.The rest absolute superb.

Blackpool Red

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Redman
I was just about to post the same
Kloot
You talk about playing for the shirt , I think that Rooney does that more than any other player to be honest
Jred

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Rooney has scored lots of goals for United and always tries his hardest, something I'll always be grateful for but, after he held the club to ransom over his new contract, it doesn't matter how many games he plays or how long he stays at the club, I'll never see him as a United legend. Some may say Keane did similar but a) Keane was smart enough never to put in a transfer request and b) Keane would never have joined another English club, especially not City.

TK-Red

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So no one can make a mistake and no one deserves a second chance
Jred

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When asked where he saw himself in another 10 years, Rooney said: "Hopefully still here at Man United. That's the aim, the plan and what I want to do. As long as this club wants me, I'll be here and trying to be successful."

Wayne Rooney regrets the furore he caused when he decided to seek a move.


He said: "Sometimes as a player you make bad choices and bad decisions, and I think that's what happened.

"Sometimes you see yourself somewhere else and that can play on your mind and make you say or do things you shouldn't have done.

"I realised I had made a mistake. I went back in to see David Gill and the manager. I told them I wanted to stay and be successful in the future."

Of the recent speculation, which has followed the club's signing of Robin van Persie, Wayne Rooney said: "I saw that but I didn't think anything of it.

"If the manager didn't want me around, I'm sure I'd be the first one he'd tell.

"That stuff you have to deal with but if I'm wanted at this football club, I'll be at this football club as long as possible."

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'Jred'

Don't sit there making things up and try to put words in my mouth. Rooney has been given more than a second chance as he is still at the club but asking for what you think you are worth is one thing, putting the club over a barrell and threatening to join our rivals is another thing entirely. A player who loves Manchester United wouldn't do that and it is those players who go down as club legends. In the long term, Rooney will always be appreciated but never adored by the vast majority of United fans that I know and he only has himself to blame.

TK-Red

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"I realised I had made a mistake. I went back in to see David Gill and the manager. I told them I wanted to stay and be successful in the future."

But not before bringing his agent in with him and screwing us for a nice juicy pay rise while he was at it......

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Tk
So Rooney made a mistake. He has publicly admitted that but your not going to give him a second chance not sure how I'm. Putting words in your mouth

His not the first to hold out for. Better contract. Jred

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Does Rooney get paid more than than other players with a similar profile should he of had to go to these lengths to get a contract he thought he deserved

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I think what Rooney and his agent done was extremely tasteless and it is hardly surprising people look at Rooney in a different way now. Saying the club lacked ambition is low and all his agent done was used the fans hatred of the Glazers to get his client a better deal. I wasn't one of the manipulated fools that believed his agent's story, I have to say there were many on here who were naive enough to believe that nonsense. Getting his client a better deal is fine, but the way they went about it was disgusting. Add that to Rooney's laziness to stay fit and get into shape for the new season and it's understandable why many will never see him as a legend. Personally I like him as a player and I think he is top notch, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him sold in the summer. it is just my opinion mind. Perfect time to sell as he is 27, lost his burst of pace he once had and he only has two years left on his current deal. Selling him now would get the maximum price and I genuinely think we may entertain an offer from PSG this summer. I think he will be at the club next season, but wouldn't at all be surprised to see him sold this summer. We will see.

Sydney!

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I think the history books will show him to be a legend
Not sure about cashing in players like giggs Carrick vidic Ferdinand shows thats nit our style

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You did it again Jred. Don't make a habit of it mate. You said Im not willing to give him a second chance? Well I cheer him on along with the rest of the team every week but it is my right to see Rooney in a different light and he has ruined any chance he had to be seen as a true, United throught and through legend. It doesn't matter whether you agree with that or not as my original post made it pretty clear that it was my opinion. If you want to see Rooney differently then go ahead.

TK-Red

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Oh and Jred, he didn't just "hold out" for a better contract. He manipulated the club into agreeing to his terms. There is a massive difference between the 2.

TK-Red

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Tk
So Rooney made a mistake and now no matter what he does you will never see him as a true united legend that's fine but I don't get what your issue is with me saying "so no one can make a mistake and no one deserves a second chance"
For me if Rooney stops at the club for another 5 plus years continues to give everything and because our top. Ever scorer he will be a legend
Jred

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Because you addressed the post to me and implied that I wasn't giving him a second chance, something you then confirmed in your own words in your next post when that's not what I said at all. Like I said, I will support Rooney whilst he is at the club but will now never look on him with the same fondness as I do other former United players. It is very easy for him to say he made a mistake after getting his own way and the wage he wanted.

TK-Red

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Like kean and Ferdinand in ferdy case doing it after 8 months out on full pay for a missed drug test
Jred

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I admire your singlemindedness KLOOT, fair play

One thing I do agree with is it's not on to turn up for a season unfit. I think Rooney is one of those who loses fitness quickly and regains it slowly but there is not excuse when you're being paid a huge wage to play at our great club

I too lost respect for Rooney at the time he went public over leaving, it left a very bad taste, as Syd said. But where we differ is I feel Rooney has slowly earnt some (not quite all) of that respect back - through his constant hard work for the team and because IMO he's been pivotal in all of our success since Ronaldo left.

As Jred says, I don't see anyone else who'se played more for the shirt during the 90 mins of many games over the last few years. And if he stays till the end of his career and maintains his impressive record, helping us to further success - he will be a club ledgend IMHO.

I don't think he is in the class of Messi, Ronaldo, Iniesta etc. and he does seem to have lost that burst of pace. But he's still got loads to offer in terms of drive, effort, creativity and goals. He is undoubtedly one of our best players and and one of the best in the EPL. So I will get behind him whilst he's doing what I expect from him in our Red shirt

Gav

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11 Dec 2012 01:30:47
Stevek

I fully agree! The way he helped in pushing the oppo strikers about ie straight in front of him was good but to be honest do you think if it had been Linders SAF and his coaching staff would not have said the same? God damn right they would have told him the same as DDG. You could see that in Evra's application. If its Evra's job to stop the guy in front of the keeper then the bLame lies on him if he doesn't manage it. It is absolutely no surprise that after Roberts contributing on in the reading game that evra was told to help the keeper out by PUSHING the player out the way instead of letting him do his job and block. I cannot understand how anyone cannot see this! Evra stepped his game up and so DDG had the space to move. Has anyone seen a clip of DDG having to shove a STATIC evra AND an opposinng striker out the way before dealing with a cross?

No! Didn't think so!

He has no mouth! If he did he would be shouting for balls when rafa was under pressure or smalls was sheparding it out! It was far from the one time where he was unconvincing.

The double save fair enough was good but the first was no better than Linders v QPR and he was unlucky to have the striker 5 yards from goal on the rebound. I have not said the first goal was his fault gagus I said he sould be nit picked like Linders was for palming it back to the oppos player!

I have said I don't think he has what it takes to be a full time UTD no1 ie a keeper that would have everyone saying he is our man in any game no matter what the opposition.

I think he as a result of being 18m plus a young keeper will fall into the Barthez trap and be someone where we thought it would work but the whole package will not fill out as planned and he will leave in 2-3 years for one of the big Spain teams.

There can be nobody who can say hand on heart they think he will spend the rest of his career with us. Where as we were guaranteed that with Adler!

Jono

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I'm pretty sure I saw him give Evra a shove out of the way too mate. That's what first drew it too my attention, because I thought, 'good on you son - if you're pushing the captain out of the way, you're getting some balls'.

I'm not saying I'm convinced with him yet, i just think he seems to be moving in the right direction.

I too would have preferred Adler, but now he's here he needs to be given a chance to show what all the fuss is about. He will only get used to things over here by getting a run of games.

At the end of the day, if a keeper like Casillas reckons he's the one, then that'll do for me for now.

StevieK

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Why does it matter if he is here for only 2 or 3 more years.. It just means we will need to buy another keeper when it happens..... I would like us to sign Ter Stegen or Bernd Leno.

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I too don't think he will spend rest of his career with us but I think you also said that he is a good goalie Jono by saying a big Spanish club will come for him.


Cult of Personality

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Butland for me
jred

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I guess even Lindegaard knows De Gea is way better than him...
And if you are asked to find a better a keeper than De Gea and about his age, then I don't think you can name even few...

Maybe you can name 1 or 2 from other leagues but even De Gea performed superior in spain...
I am happy that we have him

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Jono

You are like Percy with Nani you cannot accept that you are wrong and you are clutching at straws to make your argument look credible.

Lindegard is average and has done absolutely nothing at United so far for anyone to think any different yet De Gea has made some brilliant saves and is improving all the time also trying to find fault with the kid for the first goal after he made TWO brilliant saves is just sad and desperate.

Devil Dust.

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Jono, I know what you're saying about the comparisons with Lindegaard and De Gea both palming the ball into the path of an oncoming opponent.

Both maybe should have got stronger hands to the initial shots and forced the ball out of harm's way.

However, my feeling was that both got down smartly and did well to get anything on the ball at all., so I agree that some of the criticism on here of Lindegaard at the time for that was harsh.

That doesn't detract however, from the obvious progress that De Gea is making in English football.

I've never been a big believer in rotating keepers. Confidence is more of a factor in goalkeeping than any other position, and that can only be achieved by backing your man through sticky times. You have a clear number one, and a decent number two as back up and to keep the number one on his toes. I think we're in that lucky position.

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Dust

I am nothing like Percy mate. He defends Nani irrelivant of what happens. I am picking fault with a keeper everyone has deemed as a stick on for definitely becoming world class and IMO he wont. We have a keeper who is learning his trade and yet everyone on here has it as only being a matter of time before he is magically world class. I think world class is a keeper who is strong at every aspect of the role NOT just shot stopping. I have said before you cannot teach bravery its impossible. You either have that mentality or you dont. Do you think Keane or Robson were trained to be the types of players they were or was it natural? DDG is to much of a pansy to make it into the toplevel keeper we need him to be in the exact same way I dont class Casillas the best. Brilliant in some aspects but not in others. That is exactly how I see DDG and his career going. I'm not blind or deluded or whatever I just think differently to most on here clearly.

Jono

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Spot on Devil Dust. Some on here have hardons for one subject they won't let go of regardless of the evidence.

Kiala

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Exactly Steve mate.

That is what I am saying and have been saying. I am by no means saying I think Linders will be our world class keeper for years to come or anything but when people slate Giggs for messing up a pass then dont do the same for Ando missing the same pass its the same that has gone on with the keepers where most clearly wanted DDG back in goal and so slated Linders effort v QPR then DDG does the same but its classed as half of a world class double save.

As I said mate there would be loads of people saying he should have done better had Silva popped it in, of that I am certain.

Jono

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Jono

The guy is still a kid and Keepers especially can really change when they get older bigger stronger and can become more authoritative due to the confidence that maturity can bring.

Ability he has the rest I believe he can learn and is learning and bravery can come with confidence.

Have your views Jono and perhaps time will prove you right but give the kid a chance while he is here and support him and lets just see.

Devil Dust.

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Jono, DDG is a lot more than just a shot stopper, in fact for me he only has one fault and that is commanding his area. That will come with more game time, age and experience. By 24 he will be commanding his area as well as VDS did at 30.

Sydney!

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Dust

Exactly mate he may turn out to be a top level keeper when he is older and IMO he will as he will be back in Spain where his current good attributes will shine through as they were before we signed him.

Syd

You cant surely think he is at the top level aerially, in communication or with his bravery? His shot stopping is top drawer no doubt and his distribution is good but all other areas can and need improving. If he gains in all those areas then yes he will be on track to become the keeper we want him to be but its not just a matter of time as everyone is making out.

And VDS was world class at Ajax mate that was why SAF was after him then before he had already said yes to Juve.

Jono

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Jono, VDS didn't join Juve until he was 29 and then left at 31 to join Fulham. I think VDS played his best football in his mid 30's.

I think DDG has everything, but lacks confidence and I do believe that it is temporary. He will get better and he is get braver.

Sydney!

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Jono you go on about adler the same keeper who cant get into the his own starting 11 because of a young keeper whos better than him

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Syd he was still top class at Ajax though mate he was the one I wanted to replace Big Pete just a pity we were so slow on the contacting him.

No name

Im talking about Rene Adler who has started every game for Hamburg this season keeping 6 clean sheets. Do some easy research first you t*t!

Jono

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