Manchester United Banter Archive May 11 2015

 

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11 May 2015 22:56:53
Ed002, You have mentioned on the Arsenal page that Manchester United are really pushing for another player. May I ask who this player is?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not answering questions on this page anymore, sorry.}

11 May 2015 23:14:47
Sorry to hear that. Would it help if I ask on the Arsenal page?

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{Ed002's Note - No man.}

12 May 2015 00:03:33
It's Clyne or Gundogan.

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12 May 2015 08:36:45
Carvalho name has been mentioned also!

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11 May 2015 22:45:15
Realistically, how many points do folk think David De Gea has got us this season? I know we all agree that his brilliance has been a huge factor on our march to the CL this season and we all give him credit game after game (which is totally justified) but how many points do we reckon we owe to him?

I'd say 15 all up, which is ultimately equivalent to five of our winning games. That's a massive return for a keeper and it highlights our reliance on the Spaniards this year. If we had played this same team this season, put in the exact same performances game after game but with say Lindegaard in goal we would be languishing in and around 6th spot in my opinion.

Hope DDG stays for a long time!

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11 May 2015 23:43:47
Well that is saying that lindegaard wouldn't have made any of the saves de gea has made this season. If we had another top keeper he could have made some of the saves de gea has made, the only two that spring to mind that I don't think other keepers would have saved are the last minute one against everton and the one on Saturday against palace. Obviously de gea has been fantastic and has made a very minimal amount of mistakes whereas some other keepers may have made them here or there.

In other words it is impossible to say how many more points de gea has got us than another keeper would have got us, but I think he has probably made us about 15 points with good saves, what you would expect from a top top keeper to be honest.

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11 May 2015 23:48:09
That one vs stoke for the diouf header and the hazard save at OT springs to mind too

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12 May 2015 06:19:31
You could have said the same about Schmeichel in fairness , especially the season we chased down Newcastle .

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12 May 2015 07:12:06
I hope he doesn't go either, I don't even think Neuer is making some of the saves De Gea had to make! Best in the World! Even his presence when corners and free kicks come in has improved ten fold! Love him, love him, love him! CL more or less certain, why would he go? Let's hope Mr. Van Gaal spends WISELY come summer so we are set up nicely for both the league and CL! Who knows, maybe more?

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12 May 2015 07:39:39
juan
de gea has been fantastic i would say he has been worth 15 points as well .
a bit like schmeichel did when we caught newcastle.
i also think GDS post is the funniest ever , just read between the lines

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12 May 2015 09:05:39
jred,

In what way is it funny mate? I was pretty much agreeing with JMB on the 15 point thing, just think it is impossible to say how many of them saves another keeper would have made, is that not the case?

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12 May 2015 09:11:10
TRUMOURS,

Spot on with them 2 saves, they were fantastic as well, he has been amazing the last 2 years, so much so that when the opposition get through one on one you still think there is a pretty good chance they won't score, maybe that's why our defenders let it happen so often?

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12 May 2015 10:13:52
So we are all in agreement that our keeper has pretty much had an almighty say in where we finished. GDS the thing is not many keepers could have handled the complete onslaught on his goal the way DDG has done this season. Spectalcular saves are all well and good but to have the mental strength and ability to keep out the opposition week after week is something else. Suarez almost won Liverpool the league last year single handedly and DDG has almost single handedly given us CL football next season for me.

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12 May 2015 13:30:09
Somebody is having fun with the disagree button today!

Think we are all in agreement that DDG has been amazing and has definitely had a big say in us getting top 4. I posted the other day about us having a lot of players that play well when the team is playing well but not that one player who drags us out of the sh*t when everybody has been awful I must say when I wrote that I forgot about DDG as usually you would not expect it to be your keeper that is the player to do this.

Next season we should hopefully be stronger defensively, I really want DDG to stay, but I have a feeling that he may leave, which will be a very sad day for the club and one that needs to be handled well.

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12 May 2015 14:14:46
gds
in your op
maybe people think that for some reason you where trying to underplay ddg performance this season.
i don't think lindegaard would of played as well.

or that any keeper could/would of made the saves that ddg has with the exception of the 2 u mentioned.

i also think he has done better "than any top keeper" as you put it .
imo he has been right up there with the very best in the world

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12 May 2015 16:14:06
That is some interesting comprehension you have there, I was saying it was impossible to put an exact figure on it as you don't know how many of the saves another keeper would have made.

I don't think Lindegaard would have done as well either but whether he would have made some of the saves is impossible to answer, so it is impossible to put a number of points on it.

What reason would I have for underplaying his performances?

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12 May 2015 17:00:58
Blinking heck GDS, it's half empty man! Stop it!

In other news that black board is white.

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12 May 2015 19:23:42
Chris,

Just one of them weird days today I think.

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12 May 2015 20:42:59
Becoming more frequent

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11 May 2015 22:39:23
Now I haven't a clue what or who has upset ed002 again but would like to say I hope you change your mind and comment again regarding relevant posts.I think I have a solution, do not reply to posts already answered by yourself or just plain ignore a post that you haven't the time for as not every post gets answered anyway.I'm sure the mindless minority do it just to pi55 you off and to spoil your in depth know how for the rest of us.To the majority most look forward to the info you give and read every day for that.Butt kissing over no need to reply to this post by the way.To all other eds you do a great job too.

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{Ed002's Note - Sorry - it is not going to happen.}

11 May 2015 23:36:48
I reckon its rival fans carrying out Machiavellian manoeuvres.

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11 May 2015 23:45:12
Let's stop sucking up now, the site will be a hell of a lot worse without Ed002, maybe that will mean less morons will ask the same questions over and over, there will definitely be less people on here if he isn't posting.

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11 May 2015 23:51:01
One rule for our page another for the Liverpool page

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{Ed007's Note - That's why they're separate sites... Du'hhhh!}

12 May 2015 00:12:44
Jjb and then you wonder how come ed02 gives us the cold shoulder

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12 May 2015 09:10:04
So Ed002's like Carrick . out for rest of the season.

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12 May 2015 09:27:02
Imagine punishing everyone because of the behaviour of a vocal minority. Tragic state of affairs. Luckily for you Ed002 I'm already a pro at dealing with the silent treatment.

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12 May 2015 09:53:11
So what JMB, ed002 can make whatever rules he wants. He obviously feels aggrieved over something here, what doesn't help are your comments, you sound like a kid complaining to their parents that they get treated differently to their siblings. Hmmm maybe there are underlying issues there JMB!!

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12 May 2015 10:22:53
Angel red - of course the Ed can do as he pleases as can you and I. If the Ed decides to be petulant and doesn't want to post then so be it, that's his choice. The reason the Ed isn't posting on this page anymore is because I reacted to him calling a regular poster a 'moron' for no reason, telling him I thought it was a little nasty (if the poster warranted it then fine but it wasn't the case).

I apologise to you all for the information your all missing out on but at the end of the day mutual respect is a two way street as my old mother used to tell me 'if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all'. It doesn't matter who you are there's no reason to put others down.

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12 May 2015 10:36:32
I'm with you JMB.

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12 May 2015 13:47:33
Pity you don't listen to your'old mum' when putting players or our manager down. If your have nothing nice to say say nothing. I reckon eds calling someone a moron is a lot less than the insults some of our players and the manager have taken on here.

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12 May 2015 14:12:02
JMB good point but end of the day its the Ed's choice so we have to respect that.

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12 May 2015 15:43:55
I understand the point JMB and you are a very good poster but the thing is sometimes you just have to ignore certain things. The majority of posters here including myself love coming on and seeing the invaluable information that ed002 provides. I do not care for how any other page is ran especially Liverpool's page.

It's a case of posters now learning the hard way to keep quiet and use the search function and be grateful of the info we receive from the ed's. I really do get your point but it does more harm than good.

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12 May 2015 15:52:56
Herbie, I have to say, I'm a little disappointed with your meek subservience.

Always pictured you as the anti-authority, slacker type. Bit like The Dude.

You're starting to sound like a middle-aged corporate type :)

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12 May 2015 16:20:33
Noucamp
Sometimes its best to keep schtum.
Me, well I like to keep the peace sat around a camp fire with like minded people. :-)

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12 May 2015 16:36:55
I think Amsterdam broke you, mate.

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12 May 2015 17:40:24
Haha
Yea it might of done, I guess I'm going to have to go back and try again.
:-)

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13 May 2015 01:15:16
Oh ken your always a barrel of fun

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{Ed001's Note - he does have a point JMB, you have no idea what was the resoning behind Ed002's reaction. You only see a small portion of things on this side, and having some ignorant person telling you that you were wrong when they haven't a clue what has happened is frustrating. Perhaps you should learn to keep your mouth shut until the day when you have some experience of what exactly we edit out of posts or delete? Criticising when you have the full story is one thing, but you do not, so you are speaking out of pure ignorance and doing nothing but annoying someone who is doing this as a favour.}

13 May 2015 09:20:21
I am not annoying anyone mate. I don't doubt you guys get a heap of shocking posts you have to deal with and I fully feel the pain of you guys especially during transfer season but the post I am referring to was not one of those posts. The post was a joke which seemed to go over Ed002's head. Why not just throw the post out rather than sending abuse? If I called you or Ed002 a moron or something to that effect because I didn't agree with you guys it wouldn't go down well.

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{Ed001's Note - it is annoying when you get someone wading in when they have no clue. Now you are trying to tell us how to run the site, well thank you for your advice, but we have been managing very well for 13 years.}

13 May 2015 10:24:32
Where have a told you how to run the site? All I have said is maybe just ignore something if it irks you rather than call them names. Throw abuse at clubs, players, managers etc and get whatever off your chest (which the site is good for) but there is no reason to put someone else down.

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{Ed001's Note - so you are not trying to tell us what to do then? Is that not what you are doing? Just give it a rest.}

13 May 2015 10:48:57
That is not what I am doing at all mate. We are obviously at a crossroads here so we'll just agree to disagree.

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11 May 2015 21:54:34
So if we can beat Arsenal at the weekend might make them sweat a bit on 3rd place

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11 May 2015 22:40:57
That's all we can do mate. Win our last 2 games and see where that takes us.

My head says 4th but my heart says you never know.

I know one thing, out of all the top 4, if I wanted one team to chase down I would pick arsenal.

Just going to run out of games u feel.

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11 May 2015 23:01:25
Yeah you're right Chris , still I hope we beat them and at least ask the question of them .

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11 May 2015 23:11:38
well if we can beat them, it puts the pressure on them for the their last 2 games, both at home against relegation candidates Sunderland and then they play westbrom 6 days before the final,

the players will surley have their minds on the final having already secured CL football. no one will want to play to hard and risk an injury.

so hopefully sunderland get beat by Leicester weekend knowing they will need some kind of result at arsenal next Wednesday.

you never know. city play Swansea away and Southampton both chasing Europe themselves. could finish 2nd yet

could be more twists yet!

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12 May 2015 13:42:20
spb, love the optimism, that post genuinely made me smile :)

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11 May 2015 21:05:35
To any of the Eds! Any chance in a return from the little pea? It's disgusting how he scored vital goals over the last 3 seasons and player of the year in 2010 and he is deemed surplus because of one bad season? I seen on twitter there a stat saying he is the 4th deadliest striker in the prem. Min. of 2 seasons behind Henry, Nistlerooy and Aguero.
Really will be disappointed if we eventually leave a player who left it all on the pitch and loved the club go because he only got 12 goals last season! Currently more than any of our current strikers (By that logic they need to go to then)

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{Ed004's Note - I think he will leave this summer for first team football}

11 May 2015 20:49:55
Happy for Clevs! Playing well for Villa and more importantly enjoying his stint there. The kind of stick he got from our fans was brutal, being home grown and all that. I hope he has a solid career ahead and does well for himself.Talks a lot about the mob mentality that exists amongst fans and how it can completely take away your confidence. Before someone jumps on my throat, yes he wasn't good enough, but people who have watched him grow up the ranks from our youth team will understand where I am coming from.

Deeps.

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11 May 2015 20:57:33
Yep I'm very happy.

That he moved on, sorry deeps. :-)

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11 May 2015 21:01:23
I think a lot of the hate towards Cleverly arose because so much was expected of him with the praise Sir Alex et al gave him when he was a youngster. He had these high expectations thrust upon him and was always chasing them. Injuries and confidence issues always haunted him and although he certainly won't be remembered fondly by us fans we should all wish him the best in the future because he gave his all every match, unfortunately it wasn't good enough for United.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree nat..

11 May 2015 21:22:13
In fairness it has a lot to do with the lad's arrogance. Like working on his brand after a few first team appearances, and his comments about him being considered top class if he was playing in Spain were just embarrassing. I'm happy that he's started to kick on at Villa, but the lad bought into his own hype and the couldn't live up to it.

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11 May 2015 21:36:21
Deeps

I have watched him loads and he is the same player who was here, so so average and still does the 5 yard sideway thing. 3 goals don't make a difference. The only good thing is we might get some decent money for him.

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11 May 2015 21:57:52
I agree with Danny on this one. For me , the whole "TC23" thing was a joke after accomplishing nothing , and so early in his career.
Should have concentrated on trying to fulfill his potential instead of believing his own hype.

Having said that , I do hope he has a successful career elsewhere. Not good enough for United though.

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11 May 2015 20:24:27
hi ed

I have not posted in a while I love the site i'm just wondering if there is any chane we might keep falcao for next season I reckon with a full pre season he might come good in the end

Thanks

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{Ed004's Note - I think it is very unlikely that he will be signed and don't think he will ever regain his previous form (especially not in the Premiership). Which is a real shame as a fit and on form Falcao would be perfect for our current formation.}

11 May 2015 19:12:23
I think it's obvious to everyone we really struggle when Carrick isn't in the side. He keeps everything ticking over nicely, his passing range is just superb. The key this summer is finding a replacement for him, but who is there? Off the top of my head I can't really think of too many similar players, with his qualities! I think next season if we keep him fit he will be a very key player for us! I think we should try and have a midfield similar to set up juventus have, of 2 very dynamic players beside pirlo. A midfield of Carrick, Herrera and gundogan perhaps would be ideal next year, but if we are going to replace him who do you guys think could do it?

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{Ed025's Note - he is going to be hard to replace caolan, very good player who does not get the recognition he deserves mate..

11 May 2015 20:28:58
I love Toni Kroos, he would be the best one for me. Very clever player who rarely loses the ball, covers good ground and can play any kind of pass. The chances of getting him though are slim to none at this point. It would have been nice to see a player from our academy come through and take over but I'm bot quite sure if we have a player of that ilk coming through.

So maybe Jordan henderson?? bahahaha

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11 May 2015 20:24:32
I don't think you can replace a player like Carrick. Very few play the role he does so well, he is our pirlo (not implying he is that good). When he plays we seem much more composed and we get the ball forward quicker, blind can't do that. Off course there are many very good passers of the ball, pjanic is someone I rate very highly but I don't think there are many who have the same reading of the game Carrick does. He is an excellent holding midfielder who offers a lot of defensive protection, he doesn't need to make crunching tackles, as he positions himself well to intercept. Ed who do you think would be a suitable replacement for him?

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{Ed025's Note - ya ya would be good caolan, although he is a bit of a nut case..

11 May 2015 20:57:01
I don't think yaya would have the defensive qualities to play that role though? He's excellent with the ball, but without it he's a liability. I agree Angelred, I think Kroos is a marvellous player.

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11 May 2015 19:06:15
I've been reading this site for last few years, but this would be my first post. Well I may have posted a couple of times when there were no login names. All the eds do a wonderful job on here and I absolutely love the banter. All the posters and eds make this site great.
I always wanted to know a few things about this site
When did you guys start this site?
Which ed was the brains behind the idea?
And how do all the eds know each other? (Is it just through the internet.)

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{Ed025's Note - im not certain when it started sailor but about 10yrs ago would not be far off, ED001 was the founder (obviously), we know each other through the internet and our common love of all things football, some of us have met each other at various times and some keep in touch through social networks as well, myself i have been editing for about 4 yrs mainly on everton, arsenal and recently utd, you see i only edit proper clubs mate.. :)

11 May 2015 19:59:40
I don't post too often on here, mainly just have a browse when I can, but just like to say Ed025, that I'm glad you have started editing on here, you seem like a top fella!

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{Ed025's Note - cheers elvis..

11 May 2015 20:26:31
I third that, its good to have you on here Ed25, you have added a lot to the page. It makes me happier!

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{Ed025's Note - anything that makes you happy cant be a bad thing..cheers mate..

11 May 2015 20:27:56
Ed25 is a top lad.

Almost my favourite ed :)

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{Ed025's Note - we have our differences chris...but its all good mate.. :)

11 May 2015 21:45:10
U no I'm joking about mate.

In all seriousness it is cool having u along with the other eds interacting more this season with posters.

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{Ed025's Note - its nice to be aboard chris..

11 May 2015 22:42:22
Can I interest u in a Smalling shirt yet mate?

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12 May 2015 09:25:15
Cheers Ed025, a breathe of fresh air an humour! Makes me forgive you for your Everton allegiance :P
Seriously though, we are glad you are here!

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{Ed025's Note - i appreciate that mdb mate..

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11 May 2015 15:38:08
I don't think even the most avid LVG supporter could claim this season has been an unmitigated success. We're back in the CL, that's it. And it's the minimum one should expect from a club with our financial resources.

Do we blame the manager for our slow build up or do we look at the squad he inherited and say it was the inevitable result of a failure over a number of years to invest in the right sort of players, capable of exhibiting the speed of thought and action required to break down packed defences? A failure compounded by Moyes, but essentially starting during the Ferguson era.

In order to address this fundamental issue, the club took 2 big gambles in ADM and Falcao, neither of which have yet paid off. Shaw brought speed to the left back position, but unfortunately has suffered through injuries, similarly Rojo. Blind is a decent plodder. As a result, we are still the slow development team we were last season, which accounts for our inability to break down resolute defensive postures.

The transfer market will determine our efficacy next year. Depay shows a clear intent.

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11 May 2015 15:56:53
i would disagree i actually think we have a good team that is capable of quick football.

have a look at what people where saying about the team after we beat spurs ,scouse and city.
we played good football at a high tempo which shows the team can play high tempo football .

have a look at some of the football swansea and southampton have produced with what would be considered lesser players .

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11 May 2015 16:20:28
i repeat myself but its really simple.
someone attacks us,we do good against them.
If they park the bus,we have no clue.

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11 May 2015 16:25:53
We are definitely capable of fast football, but that's not how LVG is set up. To play with speed you need movement in the middle, ball players at the back and pace on the wings. Unfortunately, Fellaini and Blind are far too slow, Mata isn't quick enough (and doesn't keep the width enough) to be an effective winger, and our cbs have terrible distribution.

The biggest issue is LVG's obsession with players holding their position. It's very difficult to produce fluid attacking football when players are being forced to operate within an enclosed space of the pitch. We can keep the ball for as long as we like, but so long as the opposition know exactly where our players will be on the pitch, we're too predictable and easy to contain.

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11 May 2015 16:30:48
Totally right Danny. I lost count how many times we won possession on Saturday for Blind to then drop 10 yards back to sit in with Jones & Smalling. The players think position first rather than disturbing opponents and that is the managers philosophy at play. We have lost that gung-ho spirit which is why we can't break teams down, hopefully it will come back.

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11 May 2015 16:52:59
I think Danny partially makes my point. To quote - Fellaini and Blind are too slow, and Mata isn't quick enough. Same could be said of Valencia, who's a one trick pony. Neither Rooney nor RVP are the quickest. ADM is quick but has struggled. Falcao doesn't appear to be as sharp as he was pre-injury. Young isn't Hazard. Januzaj? His vision and distribution has been woeful, but I think he will now start to improve (or is he a Macheda?) We set up well against teams that give us space and time.

The validity of the counter argument is that our innate slowness is compounded by tactics which may be utterly unsuitable for the EPL and a resolute lack of interest in adjusting them to meet the occasion. For example, West Brom played with 4 CBs effectively nullifying any aerial threat from Fellani - ergo, attack on the ground.

Let's see what happens in the summer. As I said in the beginning it has not been a resoundingly successful season. There remains a sense of underachievement notwithstanding the shortcomings within the squad.

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{Ed025's Note - you have to give players a bit of time shaw, for a team in transition i think united have done pretty well, the problem a lot of you have is that you have been spoilt with all the glory years mate, instant success even with a massive budget is seldom achieved..

11 May 2015 17:01:37
We have players capable of fast flowing football who are suited to that style of play but for some reason LVG has decided to keep his philosophy(stubbornness).
Utd have not been pretty to watch this season, far from it, yes, we have had injuries(so has everyone else)
We have a new manager(who should have done better)
We had to integrate new players(so did a lot of other teams)
We have had De Gea who singlehandedly has saved LVG's job and saved our season(if more people were true to themselves they would admit that)
They say Rome wasn't built in a day, well neither was Rochdale and that's a bit of a mess to be fair.

Anyways who cares, we got Champs league next year and new players to look forward to, hopefully a whole new outlook.

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11 May 2015 17:22:18
you don't have to be quick to play high tempo football.

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11 May 2015 18:41:20
I think we'll play further up the pitch and higher tempo, once we can defend. I suspect that has been the overriding issue all season. When Carrick plays we have a stronger defence and play faster and further up the field with some real quality it has to be said. That can only improve with strong defensive additions. There are a lot more reason to be cheerful than not.

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11 May 2015 17:24:15
Ed - I know supporters of other clubs think that we want it all and we want it now and it is just sour grapes because we are so used to winning. But I genuinely think those of us that are critical just want us to play in a way that we are capable of, we keep taking the Volvo out for a spin when we have a Ferrari parked next to it.

We don't expect all our players to have world class performances every game, nor do we expect to win every game. What we do expect is for the players not to be hamstrung by strange tactical decisions and to play like we want to out score opponents not tick boxes on a managers list of personal demands of each player. We are a team of box tickers.

Even allowing for a new manager with new ideas and new players having to adjust, the standard and most importantly mentality is not what Man Utd have been known for and it should be better.

I am not expecting miracles, I am just expecting the tools at our disposal to be used efficiently or what they were designed for at the very least!

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{Ed025's Note - i can appreciate that beast, it just looks to outsiders like me that you are petulant and dont appreciate the good work that has gone on in such a short time mate..

11 May 2015 18:35:10
Well said ed025, a bit of realism there. We have been blessed for so many years. I think LVG was looking for a solid base to build on after the kick in the teeth of last season. Confidence was shot, a lot of dead wood so to speak. He has come in, granted spent a lot of money, but we have progressed, now if we were to spend big again this summer and not kick on, there will be serious questions asked but until that time and hopefully it does not come, let's give this very succesful and experienced coach the benefit of the doubt eh?

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{Ed025's Note - im with you angel and think anything else would be unfair mate..

11 May 2015 19:23:14
Perhaps we need three options, Agree, Disagree and Agree with the Ed

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11 May 2015 21:29:00
Van Gaal has done his job in securing fourth, and should be commended. But there was a huge amount of money pumped into the club during the summer and the fact that our most influential player is a 33 year old defensive mid says a lot about the manager's philosophy. LVG has certainly earned the right to have another season, but the general performances must improve if he wants any chance of achieving his goal of challenging for the title.

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11 May 2015 21:56:50
I think Beast is correct when it comes to the boring football. Most of us want our team to play a certain way. Of course we don't want to lose, but we also don't want to win like a Leeds United of old, eking out gritty 1-0 victories with little enterprise. In reality some compromise between safety and excitement may be necessary to win a championship.

Maybe we are spoiled by success, but can anyone say that they did not expect us to do better against the lower teams this season, given the amount if dosh we spent?

By the way, I'm a great believer in Shaw. I think he will prove to be our best purchase of the season. I like Rojo too. Both of them add some excitement to the team. Let's hope that ADM can show his mettle next season, because if he can and we can find our new Carrick, another midfielder, a centre and right back, I believe we can compete for the championship.

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11 May 2015 22:32:48
Agree RedMan. So many times I have agreed with the Ed but not the post attached to it. Do you agree? Do you disagree? Such a conundrum!

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11 May 2015 15:10:54
Not suggesting we are going to get muller as we are linked with more or less every big name player at this time. But he would be an absolute dream signing fantastic and clever player.

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11 May 2015 16:36:29
GD, why would he leave Munich for OT ?
Patrick

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11 May 2015 17:22:33
I don't think he would Patrick tbh but would happily welcome him here if he wanted to come :)

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11 May 2015 17:54:13
Totally agree! If only .
Patrick

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11 May 2015 13:50:25
Quick question.

Is it true, Kevin Prince Boateng and Sidney Sams contracts are up and they are going on free's?

Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - Try the European pages.}

11 May 2015 17:41:54
Neither are good enough if you're suggesting it Harry

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11 May 2015 17:58:23
Yes Harry, I believe they are.

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12 May 2015 13:50:28
as squad players if they lower wage demands Anon ;)

Thanks samthered!

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11 May 2015 12:37:44
Muller.

Would we be interested if this rumoured discontent is true? Some say that he was subject of a huge offer from us last season that he turned down.

If he can't work with Pep, loves LVG and is guaranteed a starting spot upfront then surely all those signals point to us contacting him about a move? A fantastic, all be it, unorthodox striker who would really fit into our side and provide a quality yet versatile option.

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11 May 2015 13:21:47
i think munich would get rid of pep before muller

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11 May 2015 13:53:52
He would be my number one target. Energy, flexible, technically quality and gets goals, also a very clever and committed footballer.

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11 May 2015 15:12:18
I'd have to agree with jred that's how important muller is for them

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11 May 2015 17:42:43
Its not even his importance as a player, the fans love him and vise versa, he is one of their own.

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11 May 2015 18:29:50
Fresh, you've started earlier than usual this year! :)

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11 May 2015 18:36:40
Fantastic footballer. Very intelligent. And will fit in perfectly in our team.

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11 May 2015 23:51:48
Stevie,

You beat me to that!

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11 May 2015 11:36:30
Hi Guys

I'd just like to take this opportunity to remember those who lost their lives in the Bradford fire.I remember watching it on my tv as the horror unfurled.It was a truely horrendous tragedy.My thoughts go out to the victims families and friends.
R.I.P.

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11 May 2015 11:30:55
During last few years under SAF, in big games there was a feeling that whether United have quality players to match the opposition. SAF and Moyes put a squad not to lose against big teams in PL. Last season's game against liverpool at anfield was pathetic, one of the worst displays by United.

I don't know why Moyes took his holidays last season even after knowing that he is going to replace SAF?

He should have abandoned his holidays and started atleast clearing some deadwoods.

Van gaal done a great job in clearing deadwoods. We were good against big teams.
One of his comments about our squad was it is heavily unbalanced.

Mata is highly effective when he is played just behind the striker. He is an intelligent player who doesn't rely on pace.With proper wingers, mata can be a treat to watch.

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11 May 2015 11:36:57
Not sure about Mata mate, he has had numerous opportunities in that role since he signed (granted not this season), but he didn't deliver. Most games he has been a passenger, but he is somebody that relies on a lot of movement which we have lacked to give him some credit.

There was a reason Chelsea got rid of him and ultimately Oscar isn't that great a player either.

In terms of holiday, each to their own. Moyes knew the PL and most of the players very well. LVG needed the time as he was new to the league and he was given a war chest to spend. Moyes taking a holiday sent the wrong message, but I very much doubt he was not thinking about Utd 24/7 whilst on it. A holiday isn't really a holiday for these guys.

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11 May 2015 12:02:37
In terms of Mata I see very little need to move him on. He seems happy here and has been useful at times this season. There are others to go first.

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11 May 2015 15:02:12
For £30m we could have a more effective player than Mata

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11 May 2015 15:34:37
One of your issues earlier in the season Beast was how the players didn't look happy when we scored, Mata looks like an excited young kid every time he hits the net, you find yourself wanting him to do well and it is clear why he was so well liked by the Chelsea fans.

Saying that, I also agree that in certain games he has been a passenger, I don't think he contributes as much as he could, and you could be spot on, that us lacking in movement does not help him in the slightest.

We have quite a few players who need other people to play well in order to play well themselves, rather than being able to take the game by the scruff of the neck and win it on their own when things aren't going well. Hazard has done it for Chelsea this season and Aguero has done it for City as well. Ronaldo used to do it for us and so did Rooney but at the moment we seem to lack that one player who can consistently pull us out the sh*t when we aren't playing particularly well.

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11 May 2015 09:58:22
talk sport saying united are in advanced talks with Danny ings representatives,

anyone have any reliable info on whether this is true or not.

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11 May 2015 10:11:37
Wouldn't surprise me, all clubs need to guarantee their British player quota and Ings is a good and cheap option to have.

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11 May 2015 11:12:20
If we sign Ings I reckon it spells the end for RVP, or Wilson will certainly be loaned out.

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11 May 2015 11:51:02
I think Wilson and Januzaj will get loans next season regardless, Blackett probably too.

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11 May 2015 07:52:08
I am wondering if we added 2 CM over the summer then what does it mean for Fellaini. I think he should be used for specific games and tactics and maybe should be brought in at around an hour mark if the Plan A isn't working. When he starts everytime I feel we are a midfielder short in 4-3-3 who can provide some creativity and do some defensive work too. A proper box to box midfielder. While writing this I feel Schneiderlin fits the bill perfectly for that role from PL. Would be gutted to see him move to Arsenal.

Any Thoughts are welcome.

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11 May 2015 08:25:07
I think if we want the best then pogba is the man.

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11 May 2015 08:26:24
couldn't agree more. Admire fellaini for the way he has proved his doubters wrong, but he should be looked at as an option not a solution. Offensively he has only one string to his bow which could be very useful at times but on the whole i would agree that we need a midfield player with vision and imagination.

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11 May 2015 09:19:44
Gonna stick my neck out and say Felliani will still be one of the first names on the team sheet. Probably not a popular opinion but I believe he will be.

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11 May 2015 09:32:02
Definitely correct for me. In a possession based system he simply isn't good enough. The thing is we have several players that aren't capable for the way I believe LVG intends to play (both CB's, Valencia, Mata (pace), Fellaini, even Rooney).

We have a serious lack of height in the team and opponents will capitalise on this if Fellaini doesn't play, so the next signings need to have some aerial prowess as well as good with the ball and mobile - basically they need to be the full package.

Strootman is 6ft 1. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he signs in the summer. I like Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Pogba, Martinez, Ramsey, Mason. (they don't tick all boxes of course in some cases)

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11 May 2015 11:56:10
I like Fellaini more as a plan B player. My first few choices at the moment would be Pogba, Kondogbia, Schneiderlin.

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11 May 2015 17:36:34
Central midfield is certainly the key area for me this summer. We have issues both in defence and attack, but the right central midfielder would help hugely in solving both of them. Any of Pogba, Strootman, Schneiderlin, Nainggolan, Vidal, Matuidi or Khedira would fit the bill. If we can't get any of those 7 then I would question what Ed Woodward does to earn his money.

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11 May 2015 17:57:26
Gilly

Gundogan should be on your list class player and looking like he is over his back injury.

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11 May 2015 20:48:17
Sparky I must admit I forgot about Gundogan, although I am not quite as convinced about his defending at times. Mind you the same can be said of Pogba. However they are young and I guess as they mature they will only become more reliable defensively.

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11 May 2015 06:48:55
So we will finish 4th now. I don't really see Arsenal or city slipping up and letting us into third place so this would be a fair time to look back at the season and how the manager and players have done.

I think the truth lies somewhere in between what two opposite sides of the debate are saying. Van Gaal hasn't been bad or terrible or a disaster as Beast would like to have us believe, neither has he had a good/great season as some overtly optimistic people on here would like to have us believe. I think he has been average overall, and if you prefer to look at it in terms what the bare minimum was expected, he has been decent. He has certainly bought himself one more season.

So here is my assessment of Van Gaal :-

The positives :-

1. Was ruthless in the summer in terms of shipping players out :-

Absolutely no mercy was shown here. Most of the players which left should have gone a year or two ago I think. Well and truly set the reset button and didn't dither.

2. Performances in the games against the top 6.

This is where the biggest improvement has been. Van Gaal's experience and stature really did come through in these games. The tactics were spot on in most of these games and we are where we are because of these performances, without them, we were looking at 7th place again I think. I don't remember the last time we went to Stamford Bridge and controlled the game to that extent. The results against Liverpool are pretty much the difference between them and us right now. And Van Gaal handled the difficult run of fixtures really well and got the team up for it.

2. Improvement of some non performers from last season :-

Young - Looks a totally different player, and is in great form. Van Gaal seems to have turned him around.

Fellaini - Has been used in his right position and been allowed to play his natural game (even though its not pretty and United like) and has been very effective.

Smalling - A few niggling injuries aside has been solid and one of the most improved players.

3. Handled the media well

The previous manager was poor at this and Van Gaal has pretty much bossed the press this year. Those who follow our press conferences must have seen that there have been some really loaded questions directed at him this season and he has answered them with great humor. He also attacks the journalists when necessary. A couple of statements have been a bit too honest and may have hurt a few players but that comes with the territory. Van Gaal is an incredibly frank and confident speaker.

I liked how he publicly backed the players after the game against Chelsea. He is known to come out and support his players if they have played exactly the way he asked them to and have lost. Certainly brought the feel of having a big club manager back.

4. Recruitment for next season :-

From what the Editor has told us and the noises coming out of the club its clear that we have a well thought out plan for the summer. The targets are the right ones in my view and we look destined to do most of our business early. A proper recruitment strategy has been missing for a few years now.

5. Possession :-

Although at the cost of the cutting edge up front we keep the ball much better now even against the better sides. This was a huge problem towards Sir Alex's latter years and indeed last season. This will help us in Europe next year.

The negatives :-

1. The philosophy and style of play

I cannot figure out what his philosophy is. If it is slow possession based football, it won't get us anywhere. We need to create far more chances and play with a much higher tempo and still keep the ball. The players seem to be scared of losing possession and take the safe option. We rarely shoot from outside the box.

The 3 at the back system was an absolute disaster and has cost us double digit points I think.

2. Summer transfers have not been as good as expected :-

Blind is a decent backup at left back but a poor CM, a nothing player when played there and neither offers tough tackling and defensive shielding nor does he control the game from that position.

Di Maria is a quality player. You don't survive at Real Madrid for as long as he did without being a top performer. His assists record speaks for itself. He came and looked top class. I remember the game against Burnley and he was the best player on the pitch by a countrymile. He followed that up with top performances and then we changed the formation back to 3 at the back.
He is a creative player and dribbler yet if Van Gaal wanted to play the 3 at the back I don't see why he bought him. Playing him as a striker has shot him of all the confidence and he now looks a shadow of his former self.

Falcao has failed.
Won't comment on Shaw, unlucky due to injuries.
Herrera has been our best signing.
Rojo before his injury was our best center back I think.

3. Lack of game management :-

We play with the same tempo and tactics throughout the game and the only change that happens is at half time. Van Gaal needs to manage the game much more.

Also, throughout the season, our second half performances as a whole haven't been good enough for me. Where Sir Alex's teams played their best football in the last 10 minutes and bossed the second half, Van Gaal's teams don't seem to do that.

4. Bizarre results against some average sides :-

Swansea defeats, the Leicester freak show, and some really poor showings against bottom of the table sides have been disappointing to watch. These are the sides which park the bus and we had no plan to break them down. Van Gaal has done well against the top half teams who try to attack us, but the performance against the bottom sides needs to improve.

We went into the run of difficult fixtures not at all confident and came out extremely surprised that we had completely outplayed the top sides. That sums up our season for me. Two sides to it.

Looking forward to next season :-

1. We need to get through the qualifiers of the UCL. No excuse there.

2. Anything but a strong title challenge, would be a failure, especially considering the investment.

3. At least make the knockout stages (I expect quarter finals at least) in the UCL.

4. Play a much quicker tempo and create more chances.

5. Would be really happy if Van Gaal is ruthless and let's go of RVP. As good as he was in his first season, he needs to be let go now. I am also not sure what Mata offers us if we are going to play a 4-3-3. He has no pace to play out wide. Would be interesting to see what Van Gaal does there.

6. Van Gaal's strikers have let him down this season I think. In some games we created more than enough chances to win. A top striker would make a huge difference next season.

I'm quietly optimistic about next season. Would love to read everyone and the Ed's thoughts on this.

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11 May 2015 08:24:16
Excellent post imo

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11 May 2015 08:36:46
An excellent post. Agree with everything you say. The 1-0 defeats against southampton, chelsea and wba were all depressingly the same, loads of possession but very few chances created. Shows the importance of playing players with that X factor such as ADM and in the future Depay, players that do what Hazard does and that CR7 used to do for us. When faced with a brick wall defence you have to try and slice it open with pace and skill and not try and bludgeon it open.

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11 May 2015 09:39:51
Good post Red Faith. Very balanced and I agree with a lot of what you say.

For me average isn't good enough. The fact Depay has been signed tells me he is staying for next season so we are stuck with him even if I don't like it. I just hope he doesn't spend all of pre-season attempting to perfect one very fallible system 4-3-3. We need to be able to adjust our style and formation to deal with different types of opponents. We are not good enough to have one set style that will defeat all comers (Barcelona of old).

If there is one wish I could have (aside from him getting the boot), it would be for him to show more willingness to change things that clearly aren't working both during games and from game to game, this season has been one of sheer frustration for me. So many opportunities, such poor opposition and yet we have played the most consistently dull style of football I have ever witnessed especially with such a talented group of players.

No excuses next season, we can lose but we should always play to win and attack teams at pace. Our strikers have been hung out to dry this season.

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11 May 2015 09:42:19
REDFAITH,

Great post mate, well thought out points and I would struggle to disagree with most of it. Beast would have you believe that some people on here think LVG has done an amazing job but really most people are satisfied with a sense of 'job done, but could have been a lot better'.

I would say the majority of people are in this boat and it is quite easy to see why. The minimum target this season was to get top 4, but with the signings at the beginning of the season many people would have expected a title challenge. This was based on the signings of two players who at the top of their game are world beaters, but unfortunately Falcao and ADM have failed to convince in their first season, meaning some of the players who had been written off had to come to the fore, work hard and drag us into that 4th spot.

I don't think in this day and age when Chelsea and City are spending top money on players who can change games that players like Young, Fellaini and at a push Mata are going to win you the league unless they have world class players who are playing at their best around them, so 4th is probably the best we could hope for, there is just a disappointment because imagine if Falcao had scored 30 goals this season and ADM had played like the player we thought we signed, I think we would still be in the title race at this stage.

So there is a sense of disappointment that it is only 4th, but satisfaction that 4th spot will allow us to get the players we need to push on and challenge on all fronts again next season.

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11 May 2015 10:27:56
GDS2, even with the signings I expected to finish 3rd mate. A comfortable third, just below the title contenders but above the "rat race" for 4th. A bit like Chelsea last season.

Its the approach and tactics that worry me more than the results. Had we created some good chances, played the right way and not gotten the results I would have been far more comfortable than I am now. In most of the games that we drew or lost, we created nothing of note, no genuine goalscoring opportunities that I can remember. That is what is most worrying.

But the results against the top 6 still give me a lot of hope.

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11 May 2015 10:53:33
we have underperformed imo for a number of reasons.
i think we have a good squad but we haven't seen the best of it .
my biggest gripe is i haven't seen much improvement from the start of the season .
infact the last month has been very poor .
we spent 150 mil in the summer, has our football really improved that much ?
do we look like we are ready to push chelsea for the title or even arsenal, are we ready for barcelona and co.

our tactics have been poor at times this season and have cost us points.

people seem to think next season we will suddenly be great , everything will click. blind faith?

lvg has done well he has managed to finish above the scouse , who have been shocking .

united will spend money this summer but so will chelsea ,arsenal and city madrid etc will all improve.

i said from the start i think lvg is past it , he was a top manager a while ago but i would rate him only in the decent bracket now, football has moved on from the way he plays the game.
which a lot of the lvg fans on here don't like to hear.
i honestly don't believe he has a title in him.

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11 May 2015 11:16:14
REDFAITH,

I think that is true for some of the defeats earlier in the season, we were not creating chances and it was worrying losing games like that. The defeat to Everton aside, which was just a weird game in my opinion and never a 3-0 on paper, the West Brom and Chelsea games we created enough chances to win them games. The West Brom game especially was just 'one of them games', we missed a penalty and a hat full of chances against a side who were time wasting after 10 minutes to take a 0-0, extremely frustrating but different to some of the earlier defeats where we looked devoid of ideas.

The results against the top 6 give me hope too mate, we have shown that in them games we can play a certain way that causes them problems. I saw a post yesterday saying we hadn't improved from last season but that is ridiculous, last season I watched us lose 3-0 at home to both of our biggest rivals, this season I saw us win 3-0 and 4-2, so from 0-6 to 7-2, the improvement is there for all to see.

Beast,

LVG is definitely here to stay, so can you at least try and back him for a bit?

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11 May 2015 11:32:02
GDS2 - A new season a fresh start. I'm not one to hold a grudge, but if I witness the same type of football and inept management then I won't be able to help myself.

I will certainly climb off his back now as nothing will change until game 1 of next season.

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11 May 2015 12:05:13
That's what I was getting at mate, let's just see how we get on over the summer. As much as I banter back with you and disagree a lot I do understand where you come from a lot of the time I just think you have a tendency to overreact and try and blame LVG for everything that happens, but hey, none of us are perfect!

At the end of the day we all want fast paced attacking football and trophies, that is the ideal for everybody here, some of us are just willing to wait a little longer than others to see it happen and realise Rome wasn't built in a day.

I can't wait until the Champions League qualified at Old Trafford, it feels like we have been out of it for 10 years not just 12 months!

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11 May 2015 12:35:54
Nice on GDS2. I suppose the key difference is those with patience think he is building Rome and appreciate it takes time.

I personally think he is building a Favela with the resources to actually build Rome in a few days.

Time will tell, but I struggle to see how it can get any worse, so at least next season should be a bit more enjoyable for us all. Roll on the summer.

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11 May 2015 18:10:02
For me, I think the manager has done a good job. Yes, there are things he could have done better, but in the main - considering where we were last season - plus the ridiculous amount of injuries we have had this season - I think he has improved us all round. Also, the spirit and fight this team has now is a far cry from the lack luster performances we witnessed last season.

I think the possession game will work so much better when we have forwards with pace and who are direct. Hence why I believe Depay will be a breath of fresh air next season.

All in all, I am happy with how we are progressing, and believe we will be much stronger next season.

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11 May 2015 02:48:24
The tabloids are now reporting Chelsea and Atletico have held discussions regarding Koke 3 months after Ed002 told us this.

002 - take a bow. Top info!

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11 May 2015 07:59:46
very good player as well

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11 May 2015 09:20:28
I'd take him in a hearbeat JRed.

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11 May 2015 09:41:21
I like him as well, not sure where he would fit in at Chelsea though, but a quality player.

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11 May 2015 16:22:29
He has come off a bit compared to last year and for various reasons has not been the same.

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11 May 2015 18:45:30
Agree with GDS. He's a good player but not special. I have watched most of the Athletico games this season and basically he doesn't do anything. Let Chelsea have him and we can get Pogba!

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11 May 2015 22:35:59
Nomid you can't be serious? The lad is in a class of his own in that Atletico team. I'd rather have him than Pogba!

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11 May 2015 00:03:12
Hi everyone! how're you all doing?

So I haven't posted for a while, still a constant reader, I've got a few projects going on at the moment so finding the time to post is getting difficult, but my time is starting to free up a little.

Just a quick update; Instead of doing an analysis (which I'll do if people want specific players), I'm going to try and write about a player per day in the 'news and views' part of the website. The player will most likely be a player we've been linked with in that day. I'll try to avoid your Bale's, Hummel's, etc. Unless I think there's something interesting about them. We shall see.

My first post will be tomorrow, so keep an eye for that.

Secondly, A few years ago me and pretty much the entire forum participated in a game where we would name our signings for the summer, and then after the summer window closed I'd announce which poster was 'in the know' getting them all right, or who got most of them right.

This year, I want to do something similar, but to avoid all the long lists being posted I've created a Google Doc, editors are of course welcome.

aim of the game is simple, add your username, and the players you think we'll sign, I've outlined the rules on the google doc itself.

Eds, if you can post this on the banter page just so most of the posters can see it that'll be great.

docs.google.com/a/gametimesports.co.uk/spreadsheets/d/1NgariiGHRVNaIPEdXaPYTFNvbADhlX0pMjGD0NUX-3w/edit?usp=sharing

Lets have a bit of fun on this site! get rid of the doom and gloom!

Final word from me, the winner of the game, I'll put in an article for football news and views. Depending on a few things, there may be prizes involved, but I'll let you know IF i decide to include them.

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11 May 2015 09:33:32
Nice, Depay being a definite exception, right? :P

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mbd              

11 May 2015 15:49:18
Appreciate you taking time out to do this Jose Moonrinho :)

9 Predictions from me. got a bit carried away.

Ronnie's guesses will be worth a read, I've started a FM Career with the Belgian national team and wanna see who to bring through ;)

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10 May 2015 23:55:40
Its a long time since the top clubs in England were the top club in Europe,their is a lot of money in the premier league so where's it all going wrong,this new deal is going to bring in a lot more money,but will it be spent stupid on this player and that player,do we need a winter break for these spoilt players if that's what they are familiar with,is their not enough money going in to grass root football,start when they are young,we are a big club,big stadium,massive fan base,big money but what way are we spending these millions,I think lvg style of play might suit European football with a few new signings why can't we get back to the top,I read somewhere that Gareth bale had to be taught to play football the Real Madrid way,one of the best players to come out of England and they said he wasn't coached properly.

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11 May 2015 09:48:50
Is it really a long time?

Chelsea won the champions league in 2012 and last season they lost in the semi final to a tough Atletico Madrid team. We got to the quarter finals last year and only just lose to a Bayern Munich side when we were pretty poor ourselves.

I agree LVG's style will suit Europe and we may all realise why this is the style he is looking to implement this season when it comes ot Europe next season. Fergie won the champions league twice but there were a few years where if we had been less tactically naive we could have won it again and again.

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10 May 2015 23:59:33
I am delighted we got Depay. I really rate the lad and having watched him closely over the years he has developed year on year. I only see him getting better playing under lvg and with better players. He has loads of hunger and I honestly think he will adapt to english football quickly as many dutch players tend to. Clyne? Watched him recently and is not the player he was in first half of season. I just wonder is he the right back we need? Maybe another better alternative? I would certainly keep adm. Seem to remember ozil getting stick last year but now looking good. With a pre season and playing with better players I think he will find himself at ot. The burglary didn't help but in general the cream rises. I would take Lacazette and gundogan also. Ddg would be the biggest signing we could make. What a keeper he's become. Great to be back in champions league I must add and even better at the scousers expense.

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11 May 2015 02:54:15
I haven't seen much of Depay, just snippets from some highlights etc but I am expecting big things from him from what I've heard and everyone on here seems to wax lyrical about him. Hope he hits the ground running. I agree about Clyne, we should move onto more stable right back options such as Coleman (who has been my preferred choice for years now).

ADM I think should either give himself a huge kick up the backside or pack his bag. It's not just his poor performances that have got to me this season, it's his cavalier "I don't care body language". Could he come good? Possibly. Do I think he will? At this moment no.

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11 May 2015 08:35:07
Totally agree JMB. Adm is a world class player who doesn't look like he wants to be here.
I think he's world class in his skill but his attitude is 3rd division. He has to get off his backside and start performing.

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11 May 2015 09:45:44
I read Depay ha scored something like 7 free kicks this season. That will certainly be useful, I imagine a lot more action around opponents box next season if ADM finds form and Depay plays, pace frightens defenders and we have lacked it all season.

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10 May 2015 23:24:42
Hi Guys

Now that Champion's league football has been achieved do you think David De Gea will sign his contract or do you think he is leaving anyway.

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11 May 2015 02:54:44
Hope so Baz. He's the only reason we will have CL football!

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11 May 2015 05:57:36
Not yet mate we still have to wins qualifier. Top 4 has been achieved.

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