Manchester United Banter Archive January 12 2014

12 Jan 2014 22:56:39
So Coentrao not in the Madrid squad so could mean something? Unless he isn't fully fit or just simply out of favour. Moyes was at Juve, this could be for a number of players but it's likely to be for Vidal as the ed has made it clear that we are going for him. Outside chance of Pogba, Marchisio or Astori but I doubt it. Hopefully though it's a personal check before a sensible formal bid.

Realistically though this is probably preparation for the summer. The only likely signing in my mind is Coentrao.

Marchisio seems a lot more likely than Vidal! Why would Juventus want to get rid of Vidal and why would the Glazers want to spend twice as much on Vidal as they would have to on Marchisio?

Marchisio has lost his place in the team and is very much surplus to requirements. I know a lot of the fans don't want to see him go but I don't think him leaving would alter their chances of winning Serie A in the slightest.

Redseven, the editor has made it crystal clear it's not Marchisio and that we have an interest in Vidal this month.

It is definitely Vidal. But I don't know how easy getting him will be as he has just signed a new deal. Seems like we may be going for the impossible deal again - he seems the one that's going nowhere. Pogba and Marchisio should be pursued but apparently that's not the case yet.

Vidal would be a possibility if we can tempt Juve, every player has his price. I'd say 35 million bid or 15/20 plus nani (whos value would be fairly high given he signed a new contract). Why wouldn't Vidal want to come to us, still one of the most prestigious clubs in the world regardless if a poor few months in 1 season .

Sydney it is going to be Marchisio, can't see Juv letting Vidal go and if he did its going to be double the price of Marchisio, although it would be funny if it was Pogba and he wanted to show SAF what he missed out on there more chance of that than Vidal anyway

13 Jan 2014 10:35:12
Pogba would move in the summer to PSG, or either City, Vidal is Nearly Impossible in the next 20 days.
Marchisio would be the realestic.

Well, if it IS Vidal we're watching, anything less than a £35million bid is going to fail, probably more than that. We hardly looked capable of spending such money when bidding for Fabregas and Herrera so I'm expecting a £28million bid to be turned down with about 48hrs of the window left.

But at least we'd be trying, yeah?

Anyway, surely stick Nani in the deal - £25-30mill + Nani would surely be enough to get him?

I still think it's Marchisio, so we'll see if the Ed was right Syd when it comes to us making a bid, if we do.

Syd
A few months back I said we should make a big move for Vidal, put money on the table for a player and make it happen.
You gave me a big lecture on . Stop day dreaming, you can't buy players that are unavailable, Vidal is happy at juventus etc, etc.
Now somebody says we could maybe move for marchisio and your telling him his wrong we are after Vidal.
Should maybe stop telling people they are wrong when you don't have a clue

RS, the editor has told us it's Vidal, media sources are guessing at Pogba and Marchisio. Do you think it's Marchisio simply because he's cheaper than Vidal? Very odd way to look at it.

Vidal wasn't available "a few months back", he said that himself, he said he was staying at Juventus and the Juventus president said he wasn't for sale. He could be now if a club pays what Juventus want. Circumstances change Jred. A few month's ago isn't now is it?

If you do not believe the editor then that's your choice. I do!

Syd

Yeah, that is my opinion. Pogba, i'd be shocked if he was to return and both he and Vidal would cost us £35-40million or something, money that even SAF wasn't given the green light to spend. I don't see our owners giving Moyes the green light to break our transfer record but if we bought Vidal I would cry with joy.

Marchisio is within our price range but I hope it's not him rather than Vidal. Conte himself claims we are interested in Marchisio so make of that what you will. he could be deflecting attention away from our real target I suppose.

12 Jan 2014 21:33:47
coentrao left out madrid squad.
think he's definitely coming in on loan and I think it will be tuesday.

with the attacking width of our potential full backs rafa and coentrao do you think we could play without wingers?
4-2-2-2
de gea rafael vidic evans coentrao carrick vidal? kagawa januzaj rvp rooney

I think all the players in that starting 11 would be more than capable of playin in the same side but it would be more of 4231 with the fullbacks pushing on and carrick sitting infront of the cb pairing at all times giving Vidal freedom to get involved as he he's a proven goalscorer aswell. obviously though kagawa would be in the middle of the 3 meaning Rooney would have to bite the bullet and play to the right of him. but what a side that would be!

I agree and would love to see it but I can't see DM dropping Valencia as he is a workaholic and the type of player Moyes loves using. This at the expense of kagawa which is a great shame

I'd rather have Smalling or Jones rather than Evans he's utter cr*p

Ah Fredo, such a classy remark about one of our own players.

They must be so proud to play in front of fans like you.

I like Evans. Him and Jones are probably oir best pairing in the making imo.

Evans is very over rated by people on here I always think we look terrible at the back when he plays I would sell him promote keane play jones smalling and vidic as much as possible in the centre and keane can come in when needed so I agree with fredo

Evans imo is our best defender. He is a lot faster than Vidic, Ferdinand and even Smalling, has good positional awareness and is the most accomplished of the bunch when it comes to ability on the ball.

One day people will start seeing how valuable he i

Browred, my point wasn't whether or not Evans was good enough, which I think he is by the way.

If I have to explain what my actual point was, then it probably wasn't that good a point to begin with.

I know what your point was its just it annoys how highly everybody rates evans he is average and always got a mistake in him. As long as he is in the side we will be shakey at the back we looked good Saturday with vidic and smalling. Smalling has far more potential than evans imo.

Evans in the grand scheme of things is not in top 10 best CB's in the EPL. He is however probably the best (outside Vidic) we have presently.

To contrary of a previous poster I think he is constantly out of position. He tends to get bullied by the more powerful strikers.

I think he makes an excellent squad CB (in the John O'Shea mould) but we could do with a world class CB to play alongside Jones. Smalling is a liability on and off the field).

Evans is probably our most natural defender. He is going nowhere. I don't quite understand the comment that he is utter crap? Some people on here probably believe our squad should be made up of just 11 players the way some of them talk.

Dave united, name 10 better centre backs in the premier league

Andrew B,

Vidic, Kompany, Cahill, Dawson, Koscielny, Williams, Vlaar, Jagielka, Lovren, Agger.

You could probably add, Jones, Vertonghen, Mertesacker, Skrtel, Terry etc, etc.

The man is a squad player.

No the question wasn't name any 10 defenders, I mean koscielny and jagielka ffs.

Nice one, Supasub :)

12 Jan 2014 20:12:53
I thought the scousers would drop 2points today or probably more hoping . What will our next line up be. Kagawa on the wing again Hernandez on for last 5 min prolific wellbec up front. Rio in centre of defence with vidic? Januzi in goal, de gea up front.?l he he. I think it's better to make a joke of it because I get so annoyed with our selection by dithering Dave.
Still can't beleive same team won league last year.
Has any team ever won the league and following season not managed champions league football?

God man! Do u ever do anything other than whinge? Lighten up a bit. Dnt take life to seriously, u will never get out alive!

What was the problem with team selection yesterday then genius? I think Moyes picked the best team available to him with the possible exception of Welbeck / Hernandez, and that is debatable. Januzaj and Kagawa were not so effective in the first half, so Moyes made a good decision and changed thm around at half time. A decision that paid off and probably won us the game.
Some people have already made their minds upabout Moyes, and that is up to them, but be fair and give the guy some credit when it is deserved. You are quick enough to be critical when you feel he makes a mistake.

Oh yeah, and Blackburn won te EPL in 1994/95 and finished 7th the following season.

Don't know if you mean in the PL era or not but I know Man City won the league back in 1937 then were relegated the following season.

Also I just don't understand the point in playing Kagawa anywhere else other than in the middle behind the striker. It's so obvious how much better he is in that position and with a run of games kept in the same position he could start to thrive.

Even Fletcher was saying how well Shinji receives the ball from midfield on the half turn and runs looking to open up defences.

Quite enjoyed the Scousers game today. Other than them winning of course.

Betty You say give credit when he makes a good decision. Isn't that what he gets paid millions of pounds for.
Does that mean when he makes a daft decision we can't critcise him?
Well looks like we might just beat equal Blackburn achievements then

Craig, my point is that you have already made up your mind about Moyes and will never give him any credit no matter what he does. You have just emphasised that yourself with your last post ie if he makes a bad decision he is useless, if he makes a good decision he is just doing his job. To a point I agree, but that goes for anyone, not just Moyes.

Betty, when you watch a negative manager, play a negative brand of football, it's hard for a lot of fans, me included, to not be negative!
IMO, Moyes isn't up to it, but that's not to say it will always be like that. In fairness, although I think he's very inept, he does have problems that are not his fault. I don't see him getting the right help from Woodward or the Glazers and he does have a fair few injuries of key players to contend with. Against Swansea I was impressed that he saw a way to improve us and did just that, but Adnan always looks better on the left to me.
Perhaps he will get the players we all know he needs, perhaps he will build around Kagawa and Adnan, perhaps he'll give Zaha a bit more pitch time, who knows, but he does have to change. For me, he makes too many wrong decisions which cost us games.
It's not over yet, and we can still make top 4, and Moyes can still win over the doubters like me, but January is going to be very important. If he, Woodward and the Glazers mess up again, our season may well be over!

12 Jan 2014 19:32:44
I really hope we can get some signings in before the deadline. Someone that we have all heard of like Herrera or gundogen, or reus. With vidic and Ferdinand at the end of their careers and jones and smalling injured all the time we need at least two centre backs at least 2 centre midfield. And a winger and 2 strikers. I'm a big fan of Hernandez but he is not going to get a run of games up front, ideally we would play him in front of kagawa. If moyes dosent rate him we should sell him abroad. He would do really well in Spain I think. Wellbeck just isn't good enough upfront he lacks discipline to stay up there a bit like Rooney. He dosent score enough goals misses far to many chances. Granted he works hard but that's not enough. Glad fletcher is back, but we can't rely on just fletcher, after going through what he did, he will need rest in between games. Carrick although has all the tools to be a top top player is not strong enough dosent have a nasty side to him, and goes missing in big games, bit like berbatov, again both would have done well in Spain along with kagawa really as you have a bit more time on the ball.
I really hope we don't sign Baines as he is to old. Yes players well for Everton but as fellani found out playing for Man U is a massive step up, and at 30 dosent have time to find his feet.
Would love to see youth players a chance but I just don't see it happening. Why has it taken Powell so long to go out on loan and is only now being talked about as a potential player for next season?

No name, you're a bit harsh. Carrick has been one of most dependable players for several years. Kagawa is an excellent player who is being played well out of position. Fellaini has been injured and whilst not a ideal signing, I am sure he will add some value when he is fully fit and settled in. Pray tell why we need t sign 2 strikers? Are these as well as or instead of RVP and Rooney? And Powell has been out on loan all year - it's a. It step from Crewe to the Premier league.

12 Jan 2014 18:13:18
Just home and yesterday was indeed a game of 2 halves. The first half Swansea were all over us though our defence limited them to shots from outside the box and Welbeck missed a sitter. Second half we pressed much further up the pitch Janu and Evra and Raf and Valencia totally dominated both wings. Still think it strange that defending Janu passed 2 killer balls to Evra shouldn't that be the other way round? Kagawa really did nothing but miss a sitter. Janu looked relaxed and in his element on the left.

Ref's are taking a hard line on simulation but Buttner was fouled and stood tall no foul given, seconds after he came on, just outside the box we were dispossessed and Swansea broke on our right and Evra fouled one of their players, who did a triple somersault with pike and, correctly, the fouls given. Ref's have to give fouls/penalties to players on their feet.

I want to add my admiration for Fletcher, after all he's been through, he played well but his movement off the ball was different class.

12 Jan 2014 17:03:55
Dorin Rotariu of Dinamo Bucharest has come out and said we've had talks with him

Not sure if this is just part of Moyes's scouting network or whether we're genuinely interested in signing him though

Can any of the Edd's or posters tell me more about him and whether we're likely to sign him?

12 Jan 2014 16:32:12
Watched City against Newcastle and have to say they got lucky and the score could have been different.

The referring this year in the PL is quite poor and we have been on the receiving end of some very poor decisions that has changed the outcome of games.

City by the looks of out have lost toure and Nasri to injuries, which will be great news for the likes of Chelsea who seem to have no injuries.

Expect City and Arsenal to start dropping pouts if injuries to key players keep them out for weeks.

Agree, Newcastle were all over them. The disallowed goal if allowed would have changed the game completely.

Unbelievably poor penalty decision for Liverpool now.

I am not saying this because it is the scourers but this is real poor. If anyone has watched them in the past few weeks, skyrtle is IMO committing multiple fouls who should be called for penalties in almost every game and not being called for it.

A very poor penalty decision in the Liverpool game too. Very poor.

City can cope with injuries, so that is just wishful thinking. While I agree we've had some poor decisions against us, we cannot use this as an excuse.
City and arsenal have both had a lot of injuries, and they have coped very well, so don't think that will affect them much.

Skrtel should have given away at least one penalty every time he's played, but referees are just ignoring it. Even when players are bringing it to their attention during the match, they still turn a blind eye when the next corner or freekick is taken and Skrtel is at it again.

Nomid

Typical answer and would not expect anything else. You are right injuries and poor decisions in football don't matter and should not be used as a reason for eventual outcome of games.

He rugby tackles whenever there is a corner, can't believe it hasn't been called.

Here we go again with the mighty predictions.

Stoke used to be so compact defensively, but this season they have been scandalous at times. They are trying to change their whole way of playing, but cannot find the right balance. Very much a season of transition for them. On a different day with another referee it could have been 5-3 to them.

Sydney

The first 3 goals for the scourers are a joke, but when it is running for you it runs for you.

Interesting on Al Jazeera couple of pundits called sterlings dive good play and smart to get the penalty even though they think he dived. I wonder what the papers will say in the morning.

One rule for one and one rule for another. If it was Young, the pundits would be calling for his head and calling it cheating, but if it's Sterling (Liverpool player), then it's clever and well earned.

Whats the matter sidney? Are other teams getting decisions that you lot would once have got? How can you spout the stuff you just have when united have won titles on dodgy refereeing decisions! and getting your 8 minutes of added on time at the end of a game i.e. city when michael owen scored winner at old trafford? Its alright then though isn't it? When your lifting trophies? Now that your mid table its rediculous! Give me a break man, utter drivel!

Ian the proper red

Easy there tonto or Ian the red

Your struggles might be right around the corner. I would wait until game number 38 actually after the 38th game before feeling cocky.

You are riding your luck at the moment. football is quite fickle and things can change dramatically in a matter of a couple of weeks, just have a look at us :)

12 Jan 2014 15:11:53
David Moyes at the Cagliari juventus match

Saw that picture too. Must be watching a Juve player but i'd wager Marchisio not Vidal.

Whats Marchisio like? Never seen him play. The fact he's 27 worries me a bit, i'm no world football guru but by 27 I'd have expected to have heard more noise about the guy's ability.

Marchisio is on the bench! Wasted trip?

Red Sky, he is Juventus through and through and has played hundreds of games for them. He can play as a deep midfielder, behind the striker or box to box, I would prefer him as a box to box player surging in to get on the end of things and putting a foot in at the back. He has a very good range of passing can dribble very well and can play that defence splitting ball. He is also no slouch for a 27 year old central midfielder.

Just to add, he came on for last 25 mins in a 4-1 Juve win.

RS, the editor has made it very clear who we have an interest in and it isn't Marchisio.

Vidal or pogba will be the choice for me. Marchisio will not have the influence in our league.

Won't be Pogba!

12 Jan 2014 13:53:39
I think Kagawa showed yesterday that playing regularly in the hole is what he needs the problem is when Rooney comes back where do we play him?

This is a real headache for Moyes unless he is thinking of using Kags as bait to land maybe Reus in the summer or Gundogan. I don't see a line up where Kags and Rooney can play together.

Would like to get eds or other posters views?

At the risk of giving some of the regulars a heart attack, I would sell Rooney. I believe he wants to go and his value is reducing all the time. Kagawa may or may not be the answer at 10 but the Rooney conundrum needs solving. It feels a bit like the England cricket team with Kevin Pietersen. He is clearly a great player (sometimes) but is he in it for himself of for the team? DM is continually bigging Rooney up but given the rebuilding job we have, I think we should put Rooney into that mix. I am sure I will get slated due to his form this year but looking at the bigger picture, I don't think he is going to stick around or if he does, my worry is he will lose focus again like he did last year. The list if players we need to ship out is not as long as some would have us believe and we need to be careful that rebuilding is throughout through properly. Rooney is a key part of this process.

{Ed004's Note - Yeah I reckon you're in for a bit of a bashing from some on the site. Though I tend to agree with you. I get that statistically he is our best player, I get that the media make him out to be ours and their saviour, however, I think he limits the football we can play, he won't keep his fitness up at a high enough standard over next coming years and he has shown this club no respect. Rooney's game is based on his ability to harass the opposition (obviously more than that) as his work rate makes him stand out on the pitch. We all saw how poor he was becoming with his fitness dropping. I know he has picked it up this year but within next 2-3 years it will continue to drop. Personally, there are other areas we need to target first ie cb, lb, 2 cm's and a winger. I get what Ed7 says that there are worse players at the club we should replace them first. Though I just think if we get a good offer from a foreign club we should sell. Personally I'd rather we play a 433 something with Rooney we can't do.}

12 Jan 2014 14:20:00
Kagawa as the 10, Rooney as the 9, Januzaj and Valencia wide.

I thought I had typed "the rebuilding needs to be thought through properly".

I'm not saying he is a bad player, far from it but at 29 I can only see him going downhill and I genuinely think he is looking to leave anyway. Kagawa was player of the year in Germany and has shown glimpses of his class but he won't get a run whilst Rooney is here. I think SAF bought him knowing he was going to offload Rooney but of course, that didn't happen. Midfield is the critical area, closely followed by LB and it looks like we need a commanding CH as well given Rio's decline and Vidic getting older and possibly leaving. However, I think Rooney is a distraction, it's all about him, not the team

{Ed004's Note - As a side note. Moyes and Neville at Juventus game today}

@Ed004

Moyes is at the Juve game while Neville is there for the Rayo Vallecano vs Getafe.

I hope Moyes is there for a final check on Vidal before a big bid.

{Ed004's Note - I think a window of Garay (signed for summer), Coentrao and Vidal would be fantastic. It means in summer all we need our cm and two wingers depending on if Rooney stays or goes}

I wonder who Neville is looking at. Any idea anyone?

I wonder if this is one last look at Vidal before we make a big offer or even a mid offer for Marchisio. Not sure Juve would want to sell since there is a chance of Pogba also leaving but then again if it's silly money they might as well.

Personally i'm with AJH I am convinced Rooney will be sold in the summer as he will not sign a new contract.

Come this summer we will know one way or another but pretty sure it will not drag into the next season.

I do not think Rooney will sign a new contract either. So I am hoping for a decent investment in this window and massive investment in the summer, maybe a window of Marchisio and Garay with Coentrao on loan with the option to buy then in the summer maybe Reus and Herrera/Koke.

@Ed004

Agreed. That would be a fantastic January window for us. Then get Reus and Koke signed up in the summer and we are pretty much set.

If Koke moves to Barcelona though I think that Fabregas might depart.

{Ed004's Note - Id rather we went for someone who is used to playing deeper such as Gundogan. So ideally Gundogan and two wingers like Reus/Sanchez/draxler and Di Maria. And if Rooney is sold koke/fabregas}

12 Jan 2014 11:42:25
Well everything is now dandy after beating mid table Swansea at home. One thing we must learn is to improve possession, concede that much against a good side and we would be in trouble. Chelsea next week will be interesting, we are such underdogs that it may work in our favour but we need to have Rooney back up front rather than Welbeck and put the players in the right places.

We do have a real player in Januzaj, it may be appropriate to start thinking now about giving him the vacant number 7 shirt. It is a shirt of distinction and he may well be the right person to fill it.

I read today that's the lowest amount of possession we have had in a game since 2006 which is surprising

Everything isn't dandy but with all the hoorah after every loss we need to celebrate wins aswell. Can't all be doom and gloom. We played well 2nd half, will hopefully push on.
Agree with Januzaj for no.7, that's a good shout.

Sort of devalues your other opinions in people's eyes, Red Man, when you can't bring yourself to make a positive comment, without trying to be flippant about it.

Makes it look like you're more interested in glorifying Utd's struggles, just to prove your opinion on Moyes, rather than, God forbid, hoping we actually start improving.

Like I said in an earlier post, if only you and the rest of the drama queens were so quick to come on here and comment when we win, as you are quick to give us your guesswork and supposition about the state of the club when we lose.

ps. I agree with you on Januzaj.

Possession means nothing when not used properly. Swansea created next to nothing. They had something like 10 touches in the MU area compared to our 33 touches in their area. They may have had more possession, but it was pointless possession.

Get RvP, Jones & Rooney fit and we will look a different team. Hopefully Rooney returns from his family holiday fighting fit.

@Red Man

I think we should be playing on the counter against Chelsea rather than allowing them to do so.

From whatever I have seen from them this season they are lethal on the break but pretty ordinary when having to take the initiative themselves.

I think if we can deal with Hazard, a lot of the battle will be won.

I totally agree with your view on giving Januzaj the number 7 shirt, he looks like the kind of guy who wants that added pressure and wants to be the main man. He is so talented I just hope he doesn't leave the club after a poor season.

StevieK

Unfortunately circumstances meant I only saw the first half last night and mean I still haven't been able to catch the second so far, so I couldn't make what undoubtedly would be positive comments especially as by all accounts we played somewhat better in the second. I also didn't want to be negative although the first half was not great. I am sure you noticed previously in comments on games that I give credit where due including to the manager.

REDFAITH

I think you are right on Hazard yet it wouldn't surprise me if Jose throws Mata into the game and that could be interesting.

Sydney

I agree to a point, in the first half, which is all I could see, they could have got one on one with better touches. Still possession for possessions sake doesn't achieve much. My point is that better teams will exploit that lack of control. A good midfield General will help and I could hope for Gundogen as long as his back injury isn't continuing to cause issues.

A simple, 'good result today', would have been more than adequate. No need for begrudged, half-hearted flippancies. Makes you look a little churlish. And I know you're better than that :)

Red Man, I 100% agree.

12 Jan 2014 11:08:52
Man Utd's worst start and Liverpool's best start = 2 Points Difference.

We win against Villa next week + you lose against Chelsea = 8 pts between us

12 Jan 2014 00:29:08
Going to make a bold statement here and say Adnan Januzaj will come very close to the ability levels of Ronaldo! Now I remember Ronaldo at 18, his decision making was terrible most of the time, his delivery was dodgy, he wouldn't work back and he was extremely inconsistent. Now over time he developed these skills as we all know, and became of the best players to ever play for the club.
Now at 18 adnan looks like he's been in the side for years now, his decision making is very good, he doesn't try to do to much. His delivery was excellent today and he has a decent work rate too, as shown in the second goal.
What they have in common is when Ronaldo was 18 much like adnan he played with no fear, he wanted the ball and looked to beat his man. Adnan is very similar like that, he's not got the fast feet of Ronaldo but he has incredible balance messi esque imo.
I'm not saying Adnan will score the goals that Ronaldo gets a season, but I truly believe adnan could be considered up there with Ronaldo and I believe he will win the Ballon D'or. For me he is the outstanding talent in the premier league if not the world. Today when he went to the left he was magnificent, that left foot is like a wand. I was at the stadium of light when he scored those goals and I knew we had something special on our hands but I did not believe he would have done this well. I think bar Rooney he has been our beat player this year!
When people talk about this 200 million or whatever DM will have to spend to rebuild the squad all I can say is, it has to be built around adnan.
Finally it's scary to think he's only 1 year older than me.

Let's never forget that Ronaldo is possibly the most dedicated and hardworking player off the pitch ever. There have been many many more with the same/better skills than Ronaldo at 18. But none of them really come through good, because the amount of work and effort Ronnie put in consistently over the years is nearly impossible to match. Rooney, Kaka, or even Neymar were better than him at 18. They're not even his shadow now.
Granted Adnan will be a top top player, might even be top 3 in the world, but it would take insane hardwork to come to the level Ronaldo is in.

{Ed039's Note - Rooney has never been as good as Ronaldo at any stage in his career, never mind at 18. Ronaldo is just a different kind of animal to any pro I remember in the last 20-25 years)

Rooney was a much better player than Ronaldo at 18 infact he was the best young player in the world .

Rooney has built like a man from the age of 16, which is why he was a more complete player than Ronaldo at 18 but in my opinion (at the time) Ronaldo was still more technically gifted and had more potential. As soon as Ronaldo beefed up and realised being faster and stronger than opponents was more effective than the tricks and flicks, the rest is history and Rooney hasn't been anyway near his level since.

For me, Adnan is just as exciting a prospect as Ronaldo was and that is saying a lot. I hope he applies himself the same.

Jred

He was not a better player than Ronaldo, He had more hype around him being english mate.

Rooney was better at 18. Not because he's English. i'm Irish so you can't use the English thing with me. IMHO he was better he was a beast at 18.

I preferred Rooney at 18/19, but at 20/21 onward Ronaldo was/is a much better player.

Gcu
Very poor post pal thought you knew more than that. An 18 Rooney had just wrecked the euros