Manchester United Banter Archive January 12 2018

12 Jan 2018 21:09:49
I read some posts below where a few are of The opinion that signing sanchez would be detrimental to martial and rashford.
I think the opposite. Training and playing alongside a world class player like that can only improve them imo
Martial has magic in his feet but his movement off the ball is poor and his final ball has been inconsistent. If he can learn intelligent movement groom sanchez he will become a much more effective and rounded footballer.
Likewise with rash.
All 3 can play in any position acroos the from 3 or as a striker.
I don't think he will hamper their development he will raise the bar and show them what they need to do to get there.

12 Jan 2018 21:56:15
Good shout. What he has that the others don't - at the moment - is end product. He's a terrier on the pitch with his work rate when he's on his game, but just lost motivation at Arsenal's consistent mediocrity.

Could be the difference and spark that brings us, say, an fa cup along with a deep run in the champs league (I believe he's eligible for both I think), plus min second place in the league.

Jan singings are risky but an established top drawer premier league player, that's still eligible for the cups, is as low risk as they come, putting aside the big money.

12 Jan 2018 22:49:20
I thought Zlatan was doing that? They are young but they aren't kids anymore. There is only so much you can learn from watching others. Now they need to try it for themselves, make mistakes and learn from them. Another player taking away game time will only slow that process.

12 Jan 2018 23:03:18
Let them win their place then they are both inexperienced and need to improve they will improve with sanchez there if they don't what club can they go to that don't habe better players than enemy already? Who is to say either of them won't improve enogh and lukaku finds himself on the bench or he plays on the right and mata finds himself on the bench.

Your right shappy their not kids so let them rise tho the challenge that's what competing is all about. Sancez would raise the bar . Are they up to it? I think they are but they have to prove it.

13 Jan 2018 00:18:42
Sanchez would be a major upgrade and we need major upgrade's.

I'm all up for honing potential, but we struggle with this. I see a lot in Martial, I truly think he can be one of the best, but it's a toss of a coin whether he will be or not for me.

Rash - I don't think is good enough. He is effective in certain scenarios but he is average in too many areas, I haven't see much of a kick on and young players often start with a flourish and then fade away. I'm sure he'll do well, but Rashford is currently well below the standard required to be a regular for an elite club, if he kicks on then great, but I don't think he has the X factor to be one of the worlds best.

So in summary Sanchez is a must signings and to hell with any development ideas for the others, we tried it this way and nobody is pulling up trees - we don't know how to bring these players from 7/ 10 to 10/ 10 - so let's buy the 10/ 10 and hope some magic happens with the potential stars of the future.

13 Jan 2018 00:39:50
Could agree more Beast. The more I see on Rashford the more I wonder if he can be top top class. He has a lot of pace which is great, but his decision making, finishing and composure worry me, even at his young age. Martial on the other hand I feel can be as good as anyone. But as you say, if he actually gets there is still up in the air. Sanchez is one of the top 2 or 3 players in the league and if attainable we should do everything we can to bring him in.

13 Jan 2018 01:13:56
🤔🤔🤔

Is he world class?

Is he an upgrade on Martial? Rashford?

Great player, 'phenomenal' according to Jose.

He would be a great addition, but I wouldn't lose any sleep if we didn't him.

I think Martial is better.

13 Jan 2018 02:28:49
Cheers Stand.

Patzi - I think Martial could be better than Sanchez, but he isn't better than Sanchez now, not even close for me. Sanchez turns up the majority of games, Martial doesn't turn up the majority of the games.

We need consistency from our attacking players because Jose plays so negatively, if just one of our attackers is sub-par it seriously hampers our attacking potency. Sanchez could carry a team, he is pure passion. Too many of our players tend to go missing or pass the baton onto somebody else.

If Sanchez is gettable and we decided not to do it for the sake of Rashford or Martial I would be truly amazed. Fortunately I think Jose would be just as short-term thinking as me with this one.

13 Jan 2018 03:00:11
Patzi,

Come on. is he an upgrade on Martial and Rashford? Did you just ask that.

13 Jan 2018 05:51:06
Beast, I disagree about Rashford (I know, you’re surprised) . He is not playing great right now but I think he has everything and needs a solid run. Jose was asked about him missing chances and he said he wasn’t worried as he has been phenomenal in training so let’s hope he can pick it up on the pitch. I think he has all the attributes, he needs effective guidance and coaching and let’s not forget that he really is a kid.

13 Jan 2018 08:01:39
Patzi you are sleeping. Wake up please.

13 Jan 2018 11:33:11
Martial and Rashford are best off centrally. Think that's they key issue.

12 Jan 2018 19:58:02
anyone seen G Nev and Guillem Balague's thread on twitter this evening? go and have a look it s a great read.

In short - balague is insinuating that sanchez's choice is either Pep (city) or money (united) . Gary has said taken offence to the reference of united as 'money' considering how much city have spent in the last ten years (approx £1.3bn) . Now my view is both teams have spent obscene amounts but what a ridiculous comment from balague. One team is built on rich history whilst the other on an arab sheikh's billions. Mind you I don't usually take much notice of what balague says as he is the biggest fraud in the business when it comes to 'insider' knowledge.

12 Jan 2018 20:13:24
Its funny how people with views like these get to the top.

12 Jan 2018 20:55:08
I think its very disrespectful of that Spanish geezer considering it’s Utd with the history and the trophies and city who have bought success recently ( (nothing against it, we’ve done it enough in past)

12 Jan 2018 23:15:51
I would ignore him. The chap is a comedian. A poor one at that.

13 Jan 2018 01:19:21
And also has a huge man crush on pep.

13 Jan 2018 07:28:18
You can also interpret in other way. If he selects city then its due to Pep. If it is united then money would be a driving force.

12 Jan 2018 16:06:54
Wow multiple reports coming out within seconds that city are ready to walk away, make this happen ed.

12 Jan 2018 16:31:50
I think its on City's twitter handle.

12 Jan 2018 16:34:48
He’ll just wait 6 months and join city with a £20m signing on fee in his back pocket.

12 Jan 2018 16:48:29
really shan, city really tweet that? small club small mentality i guess. Stand by the looks of it we are happy to pay more don't see how that will entice him.

12 Jan 2018 17:29:11
Ball is in the player's court. Can push for a transfer elsewhere in January, or wait a few months and join City on a free.

12 Jan 2018 19:56:34
City planned to sign him for free in the summer. Arsenal desperate for a sale now. I said I expected us to make an offer for both Sanchez and Oezil, but believed City would get Sanchez. I still believe this. Although be nice to see Sanchez as our number 7.

12 Jan 2018 20:23:19
I think miki could well be a bit at aresenal. They Play to his strengths.

13 Jan 2018 00:37:03
Ken,

I’ve never noticed them constantly passing to the oppsfion or getting knocked off the ball?

12 Jan 2018 10:53:53
Hi Eds sorry for dragging this up as I'm sure your probably sick to hearing his name but I would love your opinion on this. Wenger says 'we'll see" regarding Sanchez leaving in January. If he does leave there does this mean it would be more than likely it's a premier league club he'd join as he can't sign pre agreements with them. Or am I complicating things too much. Thanks as always.

{Ed004's Note - Drawing conclusions from what the papers and journalists such as Di Marzio (quite reliable) are saying along with Ed2 comments yesterday it looks like United are seriously competing for the signature of Sanchez in January. Was thrilled initially but concerned about where he fits in the side (prefers to play on left) and his attitude along with his age as well, it may not be as an attractive move as it first appeared}

12 Jan 2018 13:17:50
Ed004 genuine world class player. something I believe we lack. He will fit for sure.

A couple of years out of him if signed. Big shift if it does happen.

{Ed004's Note - But at what detriment to Martial and Rashford? Also united dressing room seems to be a good place to be right now. Don't want anything/anyone disrupting that. However signing Sanchez and potentially Ozil in the summer is surely an upgrade on Miki and Ibra}

12 Jan 2018 13:46:43
Ed004 I totally agree. At first I was delighted but I don't want another left Winger pushing Martial down the pecking order. If he joins I think he'll have to change position.

{Ed004's Note - He could easily be being signed to play behind Lukaku however I would then worry about where Pogba plays because I think Pogba is better as part of a midfield 3 and not sure how we play that with Sanchez and Martial/Rashford in side}

12 Jan 2018 13:51:56
Sanchez left Barcelona because he couldn't be the protagonist within the team. Great player but needs more than that to fit into the Barcelona style (Danny Alves March 2016). why would he consider a move to Man City whereby he more than likely won't be the main protagonist again?
Could it be that he genuinely is interested in joining united? Great signing if he comes. Good energy, skill, hard worker and a bad loser. everything you want in a player!

12 Jan 2018 14:20:45
Is it a case of he plays on the left (and occasionally central) because Sanchez wants to or because Wenger needs him to?

I think he'd fit in perfectly on the right hand side should he arrive, and we would then look very balanced going forward with one of Martial/ Rashford on the left and Lukaku through the centre.

12 Jan 2018 16:34:20
Agree wazza he spent a lot of time on the right at barcelona.

12 Jan 2018 16:39:09
Why are people worried about having options? City have Stirling, sane, Aguero, Jesus, silva, silva, de Bruyne etc and still want him. Rotation is key over a long season. We need more players. Sanchez is genuinely world class and when a proven player in our league like him is available we should do everything we can to make it happen. I’d rather Sanchez, Pogba and Mata/ Rashford with martial up top.

12 Jan 2018 16:46:54
I'm not worried about having options. I'm worried about keeping the younger players happy. Rashford and Martial are young and sitting on the bench won't help their careers. Martial in particular I think would be unhappy with this and if this meant there was any chance of him wanting to leave then I'd say No to Sanchez. However he as played on the right before and it he's happy to do that then great as we're lacking there.

12 Jan 2018 17:02:01
Just don't see the debate. Genuine world class right now. Will be a game changer.

12 Jan 2018 19:33:03
Agree angel agree stand. Jose has put it out there so he must feel we are in with a chance . I was not optimistic when I first heard the rumour but i now think its a possibility but not yet a probability. A very consistent top class performer. If we get him in it would be a great signing.
He would be available in all comps and will provide much needed experience know bow and magic to our attack.
No world cup means he is fresh for pre season too.

12 Jan 2018 12:44:44
If you were arsene wenger, and your nemesis through the years now wanted one of your best players, would you take his 25 million, or sell him to his nemesis instead and sit back to watch, childish maybe, satisfying for wenger defo, and i wouldn't be surprised if wenger tried to include at least 1 young, fringe city player coming the other way, alternatively, is jose playing a corker and letting the press believe its sanchez he wants, but in reality ozil is his true target, again wenger probably won't want to do business, but throwing in Mhiki could be the sweetner to clinch it, personally, if he was available, i'd try to nab ramsey., but bob hope there i think!

12 Jan 2018 08:12:41
Liverpool and City play eachother this weekend, judging by the last match until Liverpool got reduced to ten men they were one of the few teams who have really caused City a few problems this season.

With that in mind baring a silly slip up by City against one of the EPL's lesser lights it is Liverpool who potentially have the best chance of making sure City don't have a unbeaten season.

With that in mind what would be the best result in that match according to my fellow United supporters?

Would you be happier with a City win or a win for Liverpool?

This seems a heart Vs head battle for me. Lol.

12 Jan 2018 09:02:54
Good question shappy

City win EVERY time for me. NEVER look for a liverpool win.

12 Jan 2018 09:18:26
As much as it pains me, I want a Liverpool win. I agree they unfortunately seem the most likely to beat City at the moment with Salah and Mane on form but I also see them dropping silly points throughout the season so for me it would be good if they can put a spanner in City's season.

12 Jan 2018 09:28:18
Lpool to beat City for me.
A high scoring match for the FPL :P.

12 Jan 2018 10:16:35
With city away and clear at the top our focus should be on ensuring we finish in the top 4. To that end I want teams like Liverpool Chelsea and spurs to be dropping points. I don't want city to go unbeaten but I certainly don't want their run to be ended by Liverpool. Would be happy with a draw but through gritted teeth i would prefer a city win to a Liverpool one.
Never forget that our result against stoke is ultimately more important than what goes on at anfield.

12 Jan 2018 11:14:18
I don't care who beats City, they are above us I want them to lose.

12 Jan 2018 11:53:52
A draw. a 22 man fight and both clubs get 3 points deducted. WIN WIN. haha :)

12 Jan 2018 11:56:06
Always hated Liverpool more than city, and city have won the title regardless of that result on Sunday. Top 4 is a fight for us now so I want a city win, but predict Liverpool 3-2.

12 Jan 2018 12:46:13
I think it is a simple decision Liverpool win, they still have to come to OT and unless mourinho has us go back into shell we can beat Liverpool, I don't think I would be able to bear watching city and their baldman have an unbeaten season before us.

12 Jan 2018 13:13:07
A draw is the best result for us imo. Failing that a city win.

12 Jan 2018 13:54:03
Sooner city get beat the better.

12 Jan 2018 13:58:19
Draw and i want us or any other team to end citys unbeaten run.

12 Jan 2018 18:59:04
City need to lose a game so we get to see how they bounce back. One loss could lead to two. We could bring the deficit down to single figures. Sanchez could come to ot and take us to another level.
You just never know.

I do agree that Scousers have as good a chance as any to beat them, especially as city haven't been firing hard recently.