Manchester United Banter Archive July 12 2014

12 Jul 2014 23:20:37
Congratulations to The Netherlands, our new manager Louis van Gaal and of course Robin van Persie on 3rd place at the World Cup. They may have come up short in the end, but they have made their mark on the tournament by dismantling the holders and destroying the hosts. Given the group they were in and the decent at best squad that they have, it is a fantastic achievement. LvG has certainly shown plenty for us to get excited about over the past month as well. He gets the absolute maximum out of his players and he isn't afraid to make big decisions, both qualities that were severely lacking in David Moyes and both qualities that are fundamental for a Manchester United manager.

I can't wait for him to get cracking back in Manchester, get a good tour under his belt and a feel for the club, then hopefully kick off his reign with a good start to the season and who knows where we could go from there?

A couple of world class signings would also be nice over the next few weeks!

Well said, Believe, Van Gaal did very well at the tournament. The Dutch looked mentally and tactically prepared. They kept their shape and kept it simple in the back. I think the Dutch performance will create even more hope and a good vibe as the preseason begins now.

My thoughts, exactly, mate.
This was, on paper, a very average Dutch squad.

LVG drove them to 3rd place, MASSACRING the holders, holding the Argies to penalties and smashing the hosts 3-0. INCREDIBLE performance, when you think of it - guys like Wijnaldum, Blind etc are not world-class but a WC manager can squeeze the last drop.

Cannot wait for this season, if LVG gets a CB, a cover LB, a midfielder. dare I say, we can challenge and conquer.

So excited!

Can't disagree with with opinions above but I feel a modicum of restraint is needed as lvg will need a bit of time to get his ideas across. Think champions league place is probably the clubs expectation this year and anything else a bonus.

12 Jul 2014 20:46:30
Not related to united but apparently who ever wins tomorrow night will not be given the trophy despite winning it 3 times. They will only be given a gold plated replica. And this is despite there only being space for four more names.

12 Jul 2014 19:22:36
Enough with chasing big names as summer targets which have turned into disappointments on the last day of the window whilst we have a lot of good players, I mean excellent who can us into a force this season as we have always been and expected, all at a good price;
Reus £28m buy out clause
Classie £20m
Blind £17m
Sneidjer £16m
Vermalen £12m
Vriij £6m
Gaitan £18m + Bebe
Total - £117m for 7good players

Do you really think its just that simple? go out and get these players because we can't get the elite ones. i'd rather we buy nobody than start buying players who are done like sneidjer

12 Jul 2014 20:05:43
Your over paying for most of them and where would sneijder play?

This must be a joke.

It would be difficult to pull of playing Football Manager let alone real life.

Only 1 I'd be really keen for here is Reus but he's injured so not going to happen and I think a lot will depend on how we fair this season as to whether he chooses Barcelona or us

12 Jul 2014 18:11:29
Latest talk is there are
concerns over vidals knee which is being checked again by our doctor's

He's as strong as an ox - he'll be fine!

Could be why we are apparently going in with low bids.

12 Jul 2014 16:34:16
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12 Jul 2014 17:25:59
thanks ed.

12 Jul 2014 15:17:31
hi ed just wondering if you know of any of the young players going on loan

thanks in advance

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Quie 1989, its been reported lvg wants to run the rule over our youngsters during pre season before allowing loans :)

12 Jul 2014 10:45:24
From the most unreliable source: the Daily Fail.

Apparently we met with Vidal's agent on Friday!

12 Jul 2014 09:46:39
Interested to see people's views on Cavani, whether he could fit in with Van Persie or whether he would be a waste of money. Obviously it does assuse that Rooney would depart as don't see the three of thEm staying.
For me his aggression would be an asset.could replace van persie in few years time.
Price is too much though and would sooner spent elsewhere.

Overrated, stay well clear in my opinion

Lots out there better and for far less money. He's totally overrated. I would rather get Falcao with that sort of money.

I agree that Cavani is over rated. We always seem to look at players abroad through rose tinted specs. There are plenty of very good players in the EPL that don't get the recognition they deserve from fans in this country. We tend to look at foreign players with envy. I think DiMaria is over rated too, and not sure he would do very well in our league. And Diego Costa is another, though he will improve Chelsea because they are so lacking up front.

12 Jul 2014 08:23:54
Im seeing more and more posts with the"we shouldn't be spending that much on (take your pick) player" "they are not worth it" like Di Maria atm I personally could not give 2 f***s if we paid £600,000000 for him as long as wee have a better season than last let's be honest our club is hardly on the bread line and with supposedly skint clubs like Barca paying out £59+ mil for Suarez and god only knows who the next astronomically overpriced galactico will be you can see you have to pay the piper to get top players.

Hopefully a £75mil bid for Vidal and a £50 mil bid for DiMaria offers that can't be refused

There is always a limit to what any club will spend overall.I think most people talk of money because they think it would be better spent somewhere else, which is very valid. Now this is a discussion about money and has nothing to do with a player wanting to come or not, or whether the parent club will sell him.
People say 47m on di maria is too much because they'd rather have other players for less.Many would first spend on a CB before even considering a winger.
My point is that there is an obvious limit to what the club will spend and people try to make their own budgets with the players they like.

I agree, I couldn't give a monkey's if we pay over the odds this summer. It's well overdue. Would people prefer us to spend it on players or for it to go towards paying down the bonds?

If we signed Hummels, Vidal & Di Maria I would be amazed. I think Hummels will be difficult simply because BvB are difficult. But a large offer and Hummels forcing a move would change things, can't see him forcing a move though. Di Maria will play for whoever offers him the most money, PSG will probably offer more than ourselves. I think Vidal maybe the most realistic out of the three, but us playing hardball over the price may come back to bite us on the arse. There will be no shortage of admirers. If we signed these three we will be challenging for the title for sure, but like I said I think it's unlikely that we will get any of them. Hopefully I am proved very very wrong :)

Time to start buying proven world class players. Herrera and shaw are fantastic additions, but the midfield still looks very week. In my opinion, we need Vidal and a defensive midfielder such as carvalho.
The cb has to be resolved, Hummels will be great and I would have like de vrijl as well.
Winger is a must, and di maria is up there with the best, and very versatile.
So if we want to be playing with the big boys, then we better start buying the best players, and they don't come cheap.

Like Sydney says it's long overdue. It's the way we have played football and our unrelenting will to win since the premiership began that has made us so financially strong. The debt takes care of itself as long as we have success on the pitch so we really can't afford not to spend because another year like last year would be a disaster!

Sydney who else do you reckon we'll sign before the window shuts? I'm hoping for 3 more top drawer players .

Jamal, I believe the reports that LvG's primary targets are Hummels, Vidal & Di Maria, but I have my doubts that we will do whatever is necessary to bring them in. I think we may end up with Carvalho.

The debt didn't have to take care of it's self before those sharks bought the club because there was no debt. I see the scousers are going to give the little big man all the money they get for Dracula . Where do think the £80 mil we got for ronnie went?

Over the odds or not. For 5 or 6 years, the Glazers have under invested in the team. We have not had any exceptional youngsters come through and like all things, the team wears out. Sooner or later it doesn't work properly, so here we are. If we have to pay over the odds, the fault lies squarely with the Glazers for not adopting a "replace when necessary" attitude!

If there is one player we got a chance with is it is Vidal. We have been after him for ages and if if there was no chance of us signing him we would not have wasted this much time, hopefully I am not wrong.

Vidal doesn't seem impossible. Evra's on his way to Juve, Juve are supposedly open to negotiations at least. Plus, they've fancied Nani in the past, surely a bid of say, £35million plus Nani would be hard to turn down?

We could then turn to replacing Nani with a new winger - Di Maria seems a longshot to me. Someone like Memphis Depay would be a lot more attainable and would give us some fresh legs on the wings.

Add a CB, and a backup LB to replace Evra and we'd be looking very, very good.

Syd
Will you be happy if we try to sign them 3, even if we don't manage to pull it of

Depay is unproven. If we want to compete we have to buy top talent. Di Maria fits the bill.
Also, vidal will be great but carvalho also needed. Carvalho vidal and herrera will give us an excellent midfield.

Agreed NoMid but I think it will be a case of either Vidal or Carvalho and that is a no brainer. I imagine Strootman will be brought in at some point over the next year, providing he fully recovers from his injury like.

Would a midfield three of Vidal, Strootman and Herrera be enough to appease your obvious dissatisfaction with our midfield options?

Di maria, great ability, awful in possession

Jred, I'd be happy with just one of those three plus two other alternatives, I just hope we do put in a lot of effort this summer. Hummels and Vidal would improve us so much.

Rump, definitely. I think we're well on our way with herrera. Just need vidal and a dm and midfield will be fantastic. I'm sure lvg will sort it out.
I think the sooner the better. Players need time to settle and get to know their team mates. So hopefully we can get the transfers done quickly.

12 Jul 2014 07:37:44
First post in over a year.

Does anyone here have a list of all the players that will travel for the US Tour? Would our youngsters be travelling?

I'm quite eager to see Lingard, Powell, Wilson, Ben Pearson(maybe?), Angelo and the Keane brothers in action.

Have grown tired and frustrated with the number of opportunities given to the likes of Ando, Nani, Young, Cleverley Valencia etc.

No idea who will go. Agree with most of your suggestions though I would also add Janko to that list. He looked great last year and I wouldn't be surprised if he saw some bench time this year as cover for Raphael.

I'd rather see him at RB than Smalling or Jones.