Manchester United Banter Archive June 12 2015

12 Jun 2015 20:59:37
Regarding ed002 coming back with a lure of alcohol I remember she only drinks champagne (probably one of the finer houses) and one other particular drink. Can't remember what it was though, g&t or something like that. So I think we need to all save up and treat the hardworking ed(s) with their favourite tipples to try and get our page back in their good books. I will be clicking on as many adverts as possible over the next week or so to do my bit for the team :) although I do keep on having adverts appear for mature women dating and penis enlargement, going to take one for the team though.

{Ed001's Note - those adverts we run as a special favour for Ed007 so he can get a discount......}

12 Jun 2015 23:01:21
I've always been told the adverts relate to what you've been looking at on the internet. Something you'd like to tell us supasub?

12 Jun 2015 23:03:03
But Buckfast is known over here as 'Lurgan Champagne'. Surely that counts :)

12 Jun 2015 23:20:11
Absolutely Andy. When it starts changing to bearded mature ladies eating pies, than that is when I will know to put my phone away and put my keyboard in a box and remove myself from any technology.

13 Jun 2015 07:37:54
I'll have to keep my eye out for this Penis enlargement advert 😉

12 Jun 2015 20:07:51
Kane is only going to get better at our club so buy him now and then in four years Real Madrid can come along and steal him in his prime. SOUND FAMILIAR PUMPKINS

12 Jun 2015 20:54:29
Just like Bale yeah?

12 Jun 2015 19:32:22
{Ed001's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Should Newcastle Fans Be Glad Of McLaren

12 Jun 2015 20:29:27
Personally think he will do well there. He is innovative in his training methods, anyone who has worked with him praises his training. He is going in there at a time where Newcastle will spend some money and he has good contacts around the game.
I could see a couple of Man Utd players heading there either on loan or sale.

12 Jun 2015 17:25:37
Evening folks. I have to say, being a young footballer in England must be amazing. It used to be, you got your head down and trained hard, improved year on year and after years of being consistent you'd finally move up the echelons of the football world. (Theres a few examples of instant stardom but they were rare).
Now all you need is one decent season or a string of 30 games and a good agent and you are a £50 million quid player. I think we've signed an gem with Depay, £25 million, consistent in the Dutch league and a desire to get better and better. I look at the prices for Sterling and laugh. I know a player is worth whatever someone pays for him but we must stay clear of these players.
The Kane story whether it has legs or not is another one. £40 odd million for a player who's had one good season, no thanks. I like him as a player but not at those prices.
It also makes me laugh how transfers are perceived. The fickle world as a football fan. I'll admit not knowing anything about him but If we signed Firmino for £13million as reported and then in an alternate timeline we signed him for £30 million, I guarantee 90% would be happier with the £30 million. Likewise we've just signed Depay a couple of days into the window. Fans would be more excited if he signed at 11:59pm on deadline day.
I know everyone misses ed002 but I kind of like the excitement of not knowing what's going on. I'm waiting for the morning I wake up and see the headline "Batitstuta out of retirement to help Uniteds challenge"

Giddy up!

12 Jun 2015 18:50:16
I kind or get your point but I'm not sure it is that simple.

We signed Rooney when he was very young for a huge fee and that worked out Ok (despite my previous posts). Kane may have only done it for 1 season but he has done it in the top flight of a very challenging league. I really haven't seen enough of him to make a judgement but his stats last year are immense for such a young footballer.

In terms of fees, I agree. As someone said further down (GDS?) people were moaning about not spending money a few years ago and the same people are now moaning about high fees. C'est la vie

12 Jun 2015 21:16:19
Tony

Not about spending money but spending stupid money .

12 Jun 2015 21:34:35
Shahram, stupid money is only stupid money with hindsight. Ronaldo was expensive but turned out to be a bargain, Bebe was less expensive but was a waste of money. Fees may seem high but the proof is in the pudding: i.e. what do they do after the transfer

12 Jun 2015 22:17:16
Why are so many foreigners over here? Because ALL clubs are priced out with the prospect that they are going to pay £50-60m to sign a talented young British player? So we go to Spain or France and get players for a third of the price and a third of the wages! Wayne Rooney, prime example, give me £300k a week or I leave? Clubs are partly to blame as well, but you see my point?

12 Jun 2015 22:36:01
Tony

Ronaldo at the time was not expensive and he made United team that was up there with europe's best look like headless chicken mate. its easy to keep using ronaldo as a case study but that is one off as we have had a poor history in recent years paying over the odds for so called future stars.

12 Jun 2015 16:30:18
Ajh. I accepted my Mr grumpy title with the grace of an elephant Haha. But one person that you haven't approached is GDS. Now, how would you label GDS?
Ps. If you ask my family and friends, I'm totally the opposite to grumpy more like Mr. Angry (when it comes to all things United) Haha.
But would be interesting to see what you think of GDS, I'm going to call him the Judge (as he keeps defending United no matter what) or mr. Know it all!!
GDS before you get defensive, its only a joke!!

12 Jun 2015 16:39:59
Van Muttley - LVG's attack Dog

12 Jun 2015 16:44:34
Haha, not sure a judge defends people no matter what, surely that would be more a solicitor?

I used to get 'Glazer Defence Squad' back in the day when Kloot had it in for me which always made me laugh. I don't think I defend United no matter what to be fair, I just give my opinion, which is more often than not an optimistic one, I am quite an optimistic outgoing person in general. I love this site, so many weird and wonderful opinions from people who all ultimately want the same thing, great players and success at United.

Me and Tony have always got on well on here (that doesn't necessarily mean we always agree, just no snide comments and jumping on each others back like you get from others) so fingers crossed I get something good out of this!

I like to think I know it all, but doesn't everyone, if I have an opinion I will stick to that opinion and defend it, I hope it doesn't come across as arrogant as I am not at all and love hearing other people's opinions, I often use them for discussion points down the pub.

12 Jun 2015 17:31:13
Out of curiosity, if we was to spend big again this window and go on to have a fantastic season, what would peoples views on the glazers be? Think i'd find it hard to criticize them on anything other than the way they loaded our club with debt, the fact thatbpir managers always seem to be in control is what pleases me the most.

12 Jun 2015 17:34:55
when they took over we probably had the best team in europe.
after 7 years with a net spend less than stoke the glazers look to be ready to splash the cash and try and get us back to the level we where

12 Jun 2015 18:41:19
NM, I meant it in humour and I think you know that. As for GDS, I think he gets a bum wrap some times with people looking to take offence when none was intended. He is far more balanced than most and takes a wider view. We started to align when people were overreacting to one game and announcing 'we're all doomed' and we tried to bring some perspective. I didn't include him as he gets enough stick (but he has told me he doesn't need defending).

What I do find slightly bizarre is that I agree with most of what GDS says and most of what jred says (Rooney aside) but they seem to disagree a lot!

Anyway. we are all a big family, I remember asking Simmo not to leave after he taken some stick. Disagreeing is fine, that's what makes it fun.

12 Jun 2015 20:10:48
GDS rips everbodys posts and his replies are poor "too angry"

12 Jun 2015 21:49:18
Bfro,

You joking mate? Can't remember the last time I got angry at anything on here.

12 Jun 2015 20:46:13
Bfro, you prove my point. GDS does nothing of the sort, he'll hate me for defending him but if you think that then you have clearly banged your head. Go and lie down in a dark room.

12 Jun 2015 23:01:02
AJH,

Thanks but as you said there is no need, confused where the angry thing comes from to be honest, I won't lose any sleep over it.

Well done Wales tonight, fantastic result, shows what having that one world class star in your team can do.

12 Jun 2015 23:15:13
Why the hell do so many people on here get so personal in their comments on here?

Its getting embarrassing now. We all have disagreements on here with other posters - that's one of the points of a site like this. But even though I disagreed big time with the likes of Danny and Red Man over Moyes, I still think a lot of the rest of their posts are quality, and I'm not too up myself to say so. Too many grudges being held, as if all our opinions are sacrosanct and how dare anyone disagree with us.

Lighten up guys. I made the mistake of getting too het up over Moyes, and then remembered its only a football banter website, not a 'how big is my car' contest.

13 Jun 2015 00:47:51
Well said Steviek, anyway as we all know I win that contest hands down 😉

13 Jun 2015 02:59:53
Your 'car' may well be bigger than mine, HB, but prior to the Ed's editing skills, I was well ahead :)

13 Jun 2015 08:25:34
Van Muttely lol

13 Jun 2015 14:15:41
Ajh. And it was taken in jest too. Very good post mate. GDS, solicitor it is from now on!!

12 Jun 2015 16:16:32
Reading a lot of the posts today, and have to ask - are we happy to become the type of club that just splashes out money like there's no tomorrow, with no thought of the signal it sends out to other teams when they deal with us?

Personally, if we have to spend big the odd time, to catch a special player, then do it, act like a big club when its warranted.

However, I'm inherently old-fashioned, and I'm more comfortable with the way this club, by and large, try to develop players into top talents. spotting their undoubted talents, and moulding them into players who we can get years out of, and help us win trophies.

So many people on here slagging off Real Madrid for their buying policy, then in the same breath, advocating we go out and do the same.

Our club has an ethos that I'm comfortable with. I agree we need to flex our financial muscle occasionally. But to state, 'we should pay whatever it takes', leaves us open to being ass-raped by every club with a player we're interested in.

Is that the sort of reputation we want our club saddled with?

12 Jun 2015 16:40:33
Noucamp99, I agree mate. We all hate Madrid, Chelsea and City doing it, it's ruining the game but let's do it ourselves. The thing with Kane saga is that I, nor jred or the others are against a move for him I don't believe, it is simply the price tag. If it was for £20 even £25 million I could support this but not for the above rumoured fees. It's funny how suddenly all these people who support the £50 Million rumoured fee and the ones who want to splash all this money have watched so many Tottenham games and watched loads of these various players being mentioned.

12 Jun 2015 16:41:57
The problem is times have changed in the uk. We used to get the pick of all the youngest at a very young age because nobody in the uk could off what we could, now Chelsea, Man City, and maybe even arsenal can all offer a chance of winning all the top silverware and be in with a chance every season. Even the club setups and training facilities, there's not much difference between the top clubs anymore. We've stood still too long and they've all caught up

12 Jun 2015 16:55:04
Is it even possible anymore? Even Barcelona have gone into the market and bought Neymar and Suarez. Half their team is no longer Spanish. Bayern perhaps not so much but then they are in the fortunate position of being the only desired club for top German talent, whereas in England, where our players may not be as good, we have multiple clubs competing for home talent.

Here's my question. What would you prefer, that we take the Galacticos approach, or we remain mediocre? Because notwithstanding the ability of great managers and organizations to maximize team potential through astute transfers, it may be that the current market place demands this approach. And, as much as we may yearn for a simpler, purer time, those days may unfortunately be assigned to nostalgia. We have to compete for top talent, but maybe do it better.

12 Jun 2015 16:51:28
I think the issue is finding a happy medium between being the club who spends big and the club who refuses to spend big and falls behind (which I feel we have done in the last few years). City and Chelsea's spending power was always going to take them above us at some point, and really the only way to combat that is fighting fire with fire.

The FFP rules leave us on more of a level playing field, even slightly ahead of the game as our incomings are now huge, but the team has gradually got worse over the last few years and a couple of summers of spending big could get us back to the top and then we might not have to spend as big to stay there.

Not spending the money could leave us in a position where we don't have the quality needed to challenge for title, and then fans certainly wouldn't be happy, United aren't afforded as much time anymore to develop players into top talents, as if they do not hit the ground running and we are not winning every week people want us to sack the manager or sell the player, so it is a tricky one and obviously hard to find a happy medium.

12 Jun 2015 17:40:07
I think to maintain the commercial model and fanbase we require certain success on the field hence why we spend big last year. I think everyone agrees the squad needs further investment and expect that to happen this window but i do not expect this to continue further (unless things go awry and we end up with a new manager). I do however prefer the model of buying young players like depay (even if they are not cheap), shaw etc as although the risk is higher so are the potential rewards. We have all seen youngsters not reach expected potential but likewise their are examples of experienced pro's who have come in and not delivered as expected. Yes it is true some will move on to clubs like real madrid but there will be others who stay for a long periods and potentially bring us moments of joy and success. Should some players wish to move whilst still relativly young i would assume we usually get more than we paid for them first.

12 Jun 2015 17:44:20
Like I said, I have no problem spending big when needed - and we have needed it lately - I just don't want us to completely lose sight of what type of club we are.

It doesn't have to be, 'Galacticos or mediocre'. A well run club, with an imaginative manager, a knowledgeable scouting network, a flourishing youth academy, and money to use when needed, can still compete at a European level in my opinion. Dortmund, AMadrid and Porto among others, show it can be done.

12 Jun 2015 18:46:44
Stevie, great post mate

I remember reading SAF's approach to transfers and he was always concerned with the player's mentality and whether they wold 'fit' in our club. This is one of the things that defines us from the likes of Chelsea. Other fans may hate us but they know that we have historically done things differently. Team first, swashbuckling football, develop our own. Not sure we can hang our hats on those things anymore.

And when you say old-fashioned, you mean old don't you? 😬

12 Jun 2015 23:17:27
No, Tony. I meant 'old-fashioned'. :)

12 Jun 2015 14:00:59
Why is everyone against making a move for Harry Kane? I am constantly seeing posts of "he's unproven", "one season wonder" and "he's overrated". So a young guy netting and playing some great footy in the toughest league in Europe shouldn't be seen as top purchase should United go in for him?

Let's also keep in mind he has just won the PFA young player of the year award which puts him in the same category as PL legends such as our own Ryan Giggs, David Beckham, Michael Owen, Robbie Fowler, Harry Kewell, Mark Hughes and Paul Gascoigne amongst others. Not a bad list of folk to share an award with right?

Now if you thought the above list was impressive I wonder how the PFA young players of the year got on in most recent times? Could folk enlighten me if a certain Wayne Rooney lived up to his hype? Did Ronaldo reach his potential? What about the young Spanish lad Fabregas who won the PFA award with the Gunners in 2008? Did the Welshman Gareth Bale make anything of himself after his "one season wonder"? Finally, last years winner Eden Hazard I believe was crowned the best player in the league this season or am I wrong?

So yes let's negatively criticise and chastise this top talent who has the world at his feet. I for one believe the folk who feel he is "overrated" are those who haven't watched him all that much and those will be same folk next year who will be championing us paying double the coin for him and lambasting the fact we didn't move for him this year. As time goes on he will only get better and we will only crave his signature more.

12 Jun 2015 14:15:11
JMB, I'm not going to disagree with your post I just have reservations against Kane. Can I also mention Young, Jenas and Bellamy also won the PFA young player award.

12 Jun 2015 14:19:49
jmb
its not that at all pal.
a lot of the players you list i watched and thought yer this boys got it .
i don't watching kane .
giggs rooney and co where always going to be top players from the age of 14,15 people where talking about them.
he has had a very good season but i'm not sure he will become a real top player

12 Jun 2015 14:26:52
Ports - granted I give you Jenas and Young but Bellamy was a damn good player but injury and his attitude let him down.

Jred - we will agree to disagree then mate as I have watched a lot of Spurs this season and I feel the lad has got some great attributes. I feel he will 99 per cent replicate this form next season barring serious injury.

12 Jun 2015 14:35:15
JMB,

I don't have to 'jump down your throat' on this one because I 100% agree with everything you said (I know, I know), unlike jred when I watch Kane I do think 'this boy has got it', he has everything I like in a striker, never stops running, works hard for the team and scores different types of goals. I have a feeling he will become a top player, but obviously I could be totally wrong.

I would be delighted if we signed him and so should everybody else, it would be a significant move from us.

12 Jun 2015 14:49:54
gds
after reading that i'm quite confidante i'm right , you have made my mind up.

he does work hard tho i will give you that .

12 Jun 2015 14:51:26
Glad to see we are in agreement here GDS. I for one feel he would be a great addition and one who I could see staying at a club for a long time unlike say a Pogba type player who will always be searching for his next pay day. Just chucked a little agree your way GDS as I know how pedantic you can get mate. Don't mention it.

12 Jun 2015 14:56:44
I think he is well worth the risk.

12 Jun 2015 14:59:38
HMMM for 50 million no thanks. for 20 to mid 20's then you say he is a gamble maybe worth taking. I guess flavour of the month now.

12 Jun 2015 15:02:20
a lot of people on the hype train for kane i see.
Any of you gentlemen care to explain how he and "the undroppable one" fit together in LVG's preferred formation?

12 Jun 2015 15:04:04
Following on from the ''He's English'' and He's young'' justifications, ''never stops running'' and ''works hard for the team'' we are definitely getting a linked to a striker well worth the suggested fees. He also has nice hair and wears nice boots.

12 Jun 2015 15:25:19
Jred,

Care to explain? My opinion on strikers (I am a striker myself by the way) not good enough for you?

12 Jun 2015 16:05:27
GDS, are you young? Do you work hard for the team? Do you never stop running? If so, I'll get you a move to a bigger team.

12 Jun 2015 15:52:53
gds
lol ,if your a striker yourself i will pay a lot more attention in the future

12 Jun 2015 16:07:28
Jmb. I couldn't agree more. I would much rather have Kane than a reluctant benzema, untried Martinez, immobile manzucic.
People are arguing that he's a one season wonder. I can understand if Kane played a few good games them disappeared, like Januzaj has. However, Kane was banging them in all year. Headers, shots, inside and outside the box. He also knows how too link up play. I can see him with Rooney or mata playing behind.
Anyone who thinks he's going to disappear next year like Januzaj has is mistaken. One aspect that he's different to Januzaj is his character. He seems down to earth and has not let the excitement go to his head. I think Januzaj has. And before people jump on my head, I'm a huge Januzaj fan and I know he's going to come good next year.
All in all I think Kane will be an incredible addition to the squad. If we can get him for anything up to £40m then we should snap their hands off. We have also got Hernandez who spurs were interested in a couple of years ago, so that might be a good bargaining tool.

12 Jun 2015 16:23:34
jred,

I am totally confused, my opinion means so little to you that you made your mind up based on the fact I have watched him play and think he can be a top player, just because I disagree with your opinion doesn't mean we need the smart petty remarks you are famous for.

Ports,

Unfortunately I am none of them 3 things anymore, I think that is why I appreciate somebody who is!

12 Jun 2015 16:24:58
OK so from a spurs point of view on both kane and lloris, kane, has quoted that he is still young and learning and see's himself at spurs for a very long time, yes he is a spurs fan regardless of the pictures of him in a goon top when he spent a week there!! I honestly can't see him going to united. three factors I don't think he's ready to move ananywhere, he doesn't want to move anywhere and I don't think we will sell him!! Regarding lloris, we obviously think he's the best keeper in the prem and I don't think he would be appreciated by others unless he wore their shirts. now the talk from within whl is this! There are two contrasting stories doing the rounds, personally I know two players whom I coached as kids and both have no idea what he's doing. So I asked around A,both he and the club have promised each other one more season. If we get champions league he will review the situation. If we don't he can leave! B, should we sell now it will have to break the record fee for a keeper which is I believe around the £32 mill?? I think whoever it is will have to stump up around £35 million plus. No player exchange. Foot note on kane, the kid wants to learn and learn a year ago even the club gave him no chance. He likes to prove people wrong. Cheers

12 Jun 2015 16:39:51
gds
im in a humble mood pal so i going to give credit where it is due , i think your smart petty remarks are normally much better than mine.


on kane , i have voiced my opinion for a while, they are based on watching him.
but to be fair i played cm and not striker like yourself

12 Jun 2015 17:13:54
Brinkley,

Thanks for that information, much appreciated pal, always good to see fans from other clubs come and discuss potential players, sometimes difficult to see players every week which you obviously get to do with Kane and Lloris.

jred,

Ok

12 Jun 2015 21:40:52
Nomid

You fall in love with players for the media hype around them, You would actually sanction 70 mill for Pogba too. I have watched him probably 30 times this year and think it is madness to pay that sort of money for him. Good player and worth 40 mill but never anywhere close to what is being talked about.

Carvalho last year worth 40 mill this year probably hard to get 25 mill for him as he has struggled to remotely get close to being mentioned in the same lines he was being mentioned.

Goetze, Martinez at Bayern also come to mind and both have achieved a lot more than some of the names being touted around.

I could keep going but what is the point I guess. Spurs and Liverpool have suffered for years now buying overhyped players that have turned out to be tulips.

Only players in the current market worth that sort of money are Benzema and Cavani and 40 to 45 mill max. We are better off buying Depay type players at a reasonable price with huge potential than paying through the nose on unproven players on the promise of potential.

Even the guys we are being linked like hummels and Ottamendi are not worth anywhere near what the media is talking about. I can see us walking away from many if the numbers are true.

We already have one major screwup in Di Maria and a wage bill the size of mount everest, last thing we ned is to go berserk and start paying stupid money and wages on players that are some ways from being the guaranteed thing.

12 Jun 2015 13:34:50
It makes me wonder what these 'sources' are regarding Kane and Firmino, the guy reporting 'feels' Firmino reports are wide of the mark and 'understands' there's interest in Kane when 3-4 weeks ago there wasn't, I dunno if it makes me think it's just wild speculation all round, does seem there are lots of different media reporting on Firmino though.

13 Jun 2015 06:12:58
I doubt we are in for either tbh and just the media bs. We were suppose to have Gaitan and Gundogan signed and unveiled according to a lot of media reports.

The reality is one person/jorno starts the rumour and it gets picked up by a host of print and news media and each one reports it with their own twist on it. Before you know it it looks like a fact given the volume of various channels reporting it but the truth is the original source is 95% of the time bs.

12 Jun 2015 12:33:28
why are people so concerned with how much we are looking to pay for players?

it isn't our money and if the money is there and the player in question is going to make us better why worry how much he will cost?

12 Jun 2015 12:43:07
1)if we do overspend then every club would take us for a ride for every and any player. This applies to salaries too.

2) even if there is no fixed 'budget', spending a lot on any player makes it harder to spend so much again.

3)FFP

4)even if we have a lot of money, its never a bad thing to follow a good business model. Buy cheap, sell costly. All clubs do it. It doesn't make them selling clubs.

12 Jun 2015 12:47:25
For me, there's still a budget and spending over the odds on a player sets a precedent for other teams in the future when we look to buy. We have to pay inflated prices as it is because we are Manchester United but if a player's worth is £20 Million, we should not expect to have to pay £35 Million. If I win the £95 Million Euro tonight and want to buy a house priced at £5 Million, I will expect to pay £5 Million not £10-15 Million because I have £95 Million in the bank. There is also the risk of the player not being the player you expect then you have the frustration of not having the opportunity to invest more money else where because you spent your budget on one player.

12 Jun 2015 12:54:29
It's how we spend our money, if we buy 1 player for 60m it's likely that we will have less in the pot to sort out other areas, and we need to bring in at least 3 players imo, so I'd rather not spend all our money on one big player then buy sub par players for inflated prices that won't sort us out, spend the 30m that is required to get the best players rather than 60 on one then 15m on average players (rojo, blind)

12 Jun 2015 13:23:14
Also I love the irony that 2-3 years ago this site was full of people complaining that we won't spend money, the glazers are tight, they are ruining our club and we are falling behind chelsea and City. Now we are willing to spend we are 'spending too much' and it is 'our money they are spending so they should spend it right'. It can't just be that people like to moan and find a negative in every situation??

I for one would be happy for us to spend money on the right players that mean we can win the league however much that may be.

12 Jun 2015 13:30:49
imightbesomeone - what would you class as us over spending say on harry kane? would 40 million be classed as over spending because we are not going to get him for less that that.

prices these days are a lot different to 10 years ago,

for a player who has just scored over 30 goals, english and young i think its great business if we can get him for 40 million, to me that is the going the rate and you have to pay it.


city had a 30 million bid rejected for sterling who wasn't as good last season so surely the price being mentioned for kane is not that much.

my point is - if the money is there and we are investing it in the right players to move us forward and win things surely that is a good business model?

12 Jun 2015 13:58:47
GDS, personally I have never moaned about the Glazers, my primary concern is what happens on the pitch. My feelings towards Kane is that, as you have identified, he is not the right player for the amount of money when you look at what else you could get for that money. Now, he scored a lot of goals last season but only 5 against the big 4, Southampton and Liverpool. 12 games. We spent big money on Rooney at a young age but he was well known within the football circles as a huge talent, Kane has appeared from relatively unknown status and even had 4 relatively unsuccessful loans. I cannot deny he had a great season, but is the fact he's English going towards the hype? Marcus Stewart and Kevin Phillips also had a great first seasons in the Premier League. For the £50 Million I would suggest you could get Benzema or Cavani and I wouldn't expect Bayern to get more than £50 Million for Lewandowski so in relation to this, I don't think Kane is worth the money suggested. I also think fans who invest money on tickets, shirts, merchandise do reserve some right on how they feel the money should be spent even though this will be ignored.

12 Jun 2015 14:01:58
i think sterling is a better player than kane

12 Jun 2015 14:12:27
Spb
You do realise we're dealing with levy here. Any player he sells is going to be overpriced. You say we can't get him for less than 40m? Well what if it was 50 or 60? By your logic, it still wouldn't be overpriced because it would be impossible to get him otherwise.
40m for a player whos had one good season is ridiculous. He's not very skillful or very fast. He's a hard worker and apparently that alone is enough to get people salivating.
Btw who would sit on the bench? Him or rooney? Or would we again play rooney in the midfield?

12 Jun 2015 14:41:12
whos to say we wouldn't play 2 up top or rooney behind kane

12 Jun 2015 14:42:40
and i don't really care how much he would cost

12 Jun 2015 14:47:14
imbs,

Him being a hard worker alone is why people are salivating? I know a bit more about football than that mate, I have watched him play regularly, I think he is brilliant, I enjoy watching him play and I would love him at United, if we have to pay a large amount then so be it.

Ports,

Not having a go at you because I have heard in various circles about 5 people say the words 'Marcus Stewart' to me now, if that is the example that people are having to dig out then I am thinking it is not the best one, it was 15 years ago and he didn't score the number of goals (at home and Europe) that Kane scored. Also Kevin Philips was 27 when he had his great year in the premier league, so again, not the greatest example.

12 Jun 2015 15:00:00
spb
ofcourse now you don't care how much he costs. I just put down that argument of yours.
And what exactly is special about kane? You'll never see anyone describe him as blazing fast or having a good touch. No outrageous skills or technique. The things you'll always hear are "young","english","works very hard" and "never stops running". As if that is at all enough. Why not buy mandzukic then?

12 Jun 2015 15:09:57
GDS2
i've seen him play too. i really saw nothing special. Tottenham's standout performer was eriksen.

12 Jun 2015 15:13:44
GDS2, Phillips and Stewart were playing in lesser teams though and weren't in Europe. Your primary argument though is he had a good season, so did they. They are both English as well which I why they are used as examples.

12 Jun 2015 15:27:36
I think 'top finisher' would be on the list too?

12 Jun 2015 16:22:07
Ports, who can we get for £40m who is the right age and has scored over 30 goals and is used to the PL or even if they haven't played in PL.
Benzema? His camp have already ridiculed Manchester and he'll come with an attitude. He's already rejected us once before.
Martinez, played in Portuguese league and has good potential and no doubt Porto will let him go for less than £35m
Cavani? Prices being quoted £60m, now that is over priced.
Hugain? I like him a lot but again he's never played in our league and price being quoted at £50m.
Strikers don't come cheap,but Kane is the new kid on the block and his stock will rise and he happens to be the type of striker we're looking for.

12 Jun 2015 17:09:41
no mid
is kane available ?
the player had said he doesn't want to leave .
spurs have said he's not for sale

12 Jun 2015 17:23:14
NoMid, Lacazette.

12 Jun 2015 12:23:01
Just came up on tv man utd interested in harry kane and firminio reports wide off mark don't get me wrong allthough a good player he has only had one really good season and negotiating with leavy extremely different and would inflate the price we would be better off going for a prooven striker not a player who has had one good season and went off the boil towards the end of the season just gone a typical premier league scenario because he is home grown we will throw another 20 million on to his true value am i making sense

12 Jun 2015 12:15:27
TV reporting we've got interest in Kane, for me it's too much of a risk for just one season and the money it would take to get him, thoughts?

12 Jun 2015 12:24:39
If we play the same way we did last year then he would be worth it as we need a striker that can create for himself and works like a Trojan. If we improve our pace of play and chance creation probably too much money to spend as his uniqe qualities aren't as essential.

He is young, English and level headed, plus he pays for Spurs - I expect to pay a premium for those qualities/problems. Hopefully we will spend big on a CB and 2 CM's that will mean we don't need a striker like Kane and Rooney will do. It all depends on LVG's ethos though.

12 Jun 2015 12:28:10
Vastly overrated already imo. And for the prices being quoted, I'd really stick with rvp. 40m? 50m?
There is very very little he did throughout the season that i would be surprised to see a fit rvp do even now.
Unfortunately one of those two is English.

12 Jun 2015 12:30:55
i couldn't care less how much we spend on players, if the money is there and the players are going to improve the team and make us challenge then i'm all for spending millions it isn't my money so we shouldn't care how much we are paying for players.

but it has to be money spent on the right players, if reports are true and rvp is going, along with hernandez and falcao already gone we only have rooney and wilson, so it makes sense to buy another striker.


i see it like this, would kane improve our team on current showing? YES.

he's young, english and has already proved he can score goals.


but like many are saying, is he a one hit wonder? that's the gamble you take but i think everyone can agree regardless of price he is going to be a top player if he continues to produce performances like last year.

12 Jun 2015 12:55:42
I don't really understand how people can say he is 'overrated'?

His performances this season were fantastic, he showed bags of energy, scored a lot of goals and worked hard for his team, he was the young player of the year for a reason and was not overrated, he is rated exactly how he played.

What I do understand is the 'one hit wonder' argument, can he carry on playing like that? That would be the gamble, if he played how he did last season for the next 4-5 years then he would be worth 40-50 million, so it is up to the scouts and decision makers to decide whether they think that is the case.

For me he is the best English striker since Rooney, I would love him here, it's not my money and if he costs a fortune then let's pay a fortune and get one of the best English prospects to come through the ranks in years.

12 Jun 2015 13:19:29
He would be a good signing I personally don't care what we pay as long as they are the right players and as we stand at the moment Harry Kane is the best young English striker I think he would do very well with us.

12 Jun 2015 13:23:49
he is overrated imo .
had a very good season but i doubt he will have 1 as good again,
everything he touched went right but when you look at his all round game no part of it is amazing .

12 Jun 2015 13:39:18
completely agree GDS2 i don't understand why people are so bothered with how much we pay it isn't our money

12 Jun 2015 15:18:50
Berahinho from WBA is the better striker. put him in a team with better players around him and he will score a lot.

12 Jun 2015 15:34:40
gcu
i agree

12 Jun 2015 11:50:54
Alright guys,
A truce, white flag, let's all get all along post Rooney debate, wish I'd steered clear now of it now, ha.
I've a question about a couple of players that have been linked of late, would anyone like us to sign William Carvalho, personally I've not seen him play so just interested to see people thoughts on him for our carrick role are, Gregory van der Wiel, was he in LVG World Cup squad? Another I've not really seen, is he a decent right back?
Not sure if any Eds knows if we're still interested in either but good to hear your thoughts too on these 2 players. Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - neither are first choice, Carvalho being too pricey and van der Wiel being seen as a back up option or option for a back up.

I haven't seen much of Carvalho, but what I did see was impressive, I would want to watch more before I judged him though.

As for van der Wiel, before his move to PSG he looked physically impressive but technically poor, especially his crossing, which was awful every time I saw him. I have not seen him play since he moved to France though, so he might have worked on his game and be a totally different player now.}

12 Jun 2015 12:14:06
I would rather we were looking at some better/ more experienced players. I think that Carvalho could be a good player and maybe worth the gamble of signing him but not for a fee they are asking and also I am not sure he is first team ready. We need someone who will instantly improve us.

Van der Wiel used to be so hyped when his career started but since the move to PSG he has almost been forgotten. There are much better players who we could sign than him but if all else fails he will probably be better than Valencia.

12 Jun 2015 12:15:45
Thanks for the insight Ed.
I've heard impressive things about Carvalho so that ties in with your description there, likewise I've not heard great thing about van der Wiel, I guess he may be last on our right back options list.
Cheers Ed.

12 Jun 2015 11:03:32
Well I played my own game of 'if I were Lvg' last night, looking at balancing the books a bit, incoming, outgoings and it came up with:
9- incoming
12- outgoing
Spend-£210m
Income- £65m
Net spend- £145m
Easy really!!!!!
What it showed to me is for all our wants it is hard to prioritise, improve the squad without getting caught up in bringing in too many!
Good luck Lvg!

12 Jun 2015 11:56:35
I guess transfers are far more complex than we give them credit for, I imagine LVG states who he wants and trusts in Ed to seal the deals and let him worry about the money, but yeah take your point it can be mind boggling if you think about who may come in and fit in where.

12 Jun 2015 12:17:23
I see no more than 5 players coming in. Maybe 3 big names and 2 random players (not including Depay)

11 Jun 2015 20:58:42
New rumours of Firmino surfacing, they're even going as far as saying we've agreed a deal (not that that means anything) really don't see this one happening, last I checked he plays AM/RW or as a false 9, all those positions are stacked bar CF and I don't think he's established himself enough to be our second choice striker if RVP leaves.

12 Jun 2015 08:06:39
I hope this jose elias has his facts rights as firmino is a decent player, also another quick play which is good to see with di maria (still have faith he will do well next season) and depay we could see good counter attacks again which i think is a part of our game that we've lost completely

12 Jun 2015 08:45:09
Firmino, adm and depay behind rooney and anchored by hererra and schneiderlin doesn't sound bad at all

12 Jun 2015 09:29:54
I would love Firmino here but just how many no 10s do we need at United?

11 Jun 2015 23:59:50
So the Rooney debate is not topic of the week again. Let it go lads, He has been our best outfield player for a long time. I remember when people on here would slate him for not staying upfield and always running back into our half and those with REAL Football knowledge would say fair play to him for tracking back and winning / trying to get the ball back. The problem was UTD players where running around like headless chickens with no real captain fantastic shouting to those deadwood players with 2 left feet that caused this argument with Rooney.

While UTD players were running around like headless chickens, It was Rooney who was giving 110% and trying to keep us a top 4 team. So ask yourself if you where in a job with 9 other people and you constantly had to stop what your paid to do to go tell A, B & C what they should be doing or do it for them that you would not want a pay rise. I know I certainly would if I was doing it.

Utd are starting to play some great football and were keeping the ball a lot better etc. Would I sell Rooney. Yes I would because now that young etc are earning their crust what's stopping them wanting thicker bread. I mean as good as Rooney is he ain't run I g back anymore he is staying in the right half but the other players are putting in a better shift.

On the other hand. How good has Young and Fellani been this year. Kudos to them both and their is egg on those critics face now

12 Jun 2015 00:12:21
Rooney has been good for us mate and well worth the money we paid for him. I like Rooney and think he does give his all every game but let's not let our hearts rule our heads here. Rooney has done some remarkable things but he has also spent a fair amount of time running around like a headless chicken as well.