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13 Aug 2012 22:45:20
Lewandowski reminds me a little bit of Ruud. Got great presence up top and would give us a good all-round threat up top (something we've been lacking) I think I'd almost prefer him to RVP.
Supasub
13 Aug 2012 22:38:48
So mr MANUTD1990 seems to be wrong.
WYTHENSHAWE RED
Well he did say by Tuesday morning so roll on 11.59am
13 Aug 2012 22:28:24
M'villa or Moutinho?
Agree M'VIlla, Disagree Moutinho
Kai
Have tottenham offered 15mil for mvila
13 Aug 2012 21:38:13
Glazers have got it righter than expected in NYC with the share price rising 3% today at one point (settling up at +2 %). Rumours there suggest that a stable price at above $16 will lead to a bid.
Future accelerating EBITDA increases arising from the GM deal, the new SKY / BT deal, the sales of Old Trafford Naming Rights and other commercial deals with a consequent wave of cash crashing about Old Trafford will see the debt eliminated within 24 months if the Glazers do not sell up.
Free cash flow of up to £150m or much more from 2013 / 4 + should lead to the acquisition of the best players on the planet. Especially so when the FFP uncertainties are forcing Chelsea and the other sugar-daddy clubs into last minute buying or defensive squad management purchases like at Manchester City.
However while the cash is willing, the issue for the Glazers is the negotiating ineptitude of Fergusson and Gill. While the latter may be a safe pair of hands on the balance sheet, clearly he has no idea of how to close a deal.
Last year he and the hapless Fergusson miscalculated on Nasri and Schneider; this year they have screwed up almost everywhere almost losing out on Powell and Kagawa (but snatching victory from the jaws of defeat here), and clearly failing to understand how to get deals done as far apart as Brazil, Portugal, France and London.
This inability of the player management to get to grips with the new world of player and agent negotiation is of the gravest concern to the Glazers. Not just this, however. Fergusson's intransigence and stubbornness on match day decisions is a growing cause for concern - the abject failure of the team to win the Premiership last year was beyond belief to the minds of hard-nosed professionals.
Fergusson and Gill are for the chop unless they pull a couple of marketable rabbits out of the bag in the next 10 days. If Fergusson fails in Europe again through stupidity and misjudgement and fails to win the league then his days are numbered.
There will be plenty of money for the next manager and CEO to spend - the sound of certain Portuguese boots (albeit hardly the most financially inspiring) can be heard in the distance.
Frenchman
I have been saying this for three years. I am not sure of fergie's judgement. Or worse still phelans judgement. Gill is totally out of his depth. Before everyone starts calling me names. I have been season ticket holder since 1970. I love united more than anything. I just worry about where the club is going especially with fergie getting old and phelan and gill being totally useless. Change of management is due. Sorry. .
Are you on a drinking binge my friend? most ridiculous post in the history of this site! "Fergusson"? who is this fella?
Didn't read any after the naming rights.
I would rather finish 5th for the next five years than sell the naming rights to Old Trafford.
Nobody is bigger than the club, not even the owners...although Malcolm and his beer belly may have something to say about that ;)
MPez
Alot of good points Certainly Financially i think We have nothing to worry about, But i doubt Ferguson will ever be let go, He is Manchester United, He will retire on his own accord, Possibly even this season! But he will NOT be forced out of Manchester United. BTW Agree the Mourinho will be next manager!
Worst.post.ever.
Nothing you said is true, I appreciate you are French but his name is sir Alex ferguson and he is a living legend and the greatest football manager in the world.
Now run along.
GDS
Let's sack the greatest football manager to ever grace this planet because agents are greedy! Yeh right!
FredtheRed
I don't want to believe any of the SAF days numbered stuff but, It looks like this is all correct and you have got it all spot on!
-JakeW
Jake,
Are you serious?! Nothing he said was 'spot on'!
GDS
1st thing, you're talking carp.
secondly, selling the naming right to OT won't work. It is OT or 'The Theatre of Dreams' and always will be, the current names have too much history for a 'brand' name to be affective. We will never see the stadium named, it simply isn't marketable.
3rd- Ferguson under pressure???? As much as he is tactically questionable, he will never be sacked. We could get relegated and he wouldn't be sacked. The most successful manager in British football. He'll decide when he goes, end of.
You need to understand that you cannot build a great business, especially as a public company on the NYSE, if the public profile of the company is tarnished by a couple of clowns out of their depth.
Clearly Ferguson (excuse previous spelling errors from a Frenchman) had it all his own way in the domestic transfer market until the big money (with their cavalcades of sophisticated negotiators) came in. But those days are now over. This is now a serious global business, not just a game of kicking a ball around in northern England – the real fans are in Asia in their millions. The Glazers have demonstrated that by intelligent and strategic market positioning it is possible to develop a business model that (given FFP) is likely to be robust and resilient and that can usurp the current dominant sugar-daddy models..
This is no time for amateurs or failed old men to be running the show, and when the stakes are as high as a market cap target of $3.0bn the owners will rightly conclude that enough is enough.
It is not just the failure to negotiate sensible deals for new talent, but it is also the failure of Ferguson to hold on to a 5 point lead at the end of last season. That symbolically was the losing of the grasp that now has to be wrested away. You cannot deliver a high market cap business model without the management to drive it forward successfully.
The fact that we are again a public company simply means an escalation of management quality. There is too much to lose now. Nothing can be allowed to stand in the way of progress.
The Frenchman
Agree that SAF will never be sacked and that should be the case. He has given us fantastic service and success. However, I questioned his tactics and no one who who watched us against Benfica home and away, Basle Home and Away, Ajax Home and Away, Everton Home, Wigan Away, City Away can say that we got our tactics right on the day. When Quiroz was right hand man, we had someone who can stand up to SAF and together they were superb. Phelan does not do this, he has no idea.
You know i have been thinking the same thing, who in their right mind would want to keep SAF and D. Gill when they have done nothing for our club, lets face it our first title in 26 years was lucky as was the other 11 titles Fergie won, put these along with all the other silverware we have just proves this was all a fluke, the young lads who are coming through are obviously crap too, so we wont even bother giving them a chance, we can just buy everybody and pay them 250,000 a week and we will win everything, it`s as simple as that, well with this formula i might go for Fergies job as it`s so easy.
OR
you could knob off and support another team that deserves you and anyone that agrees with you, try City, Chelsea, PSG or the Russian mob who have loads of cash.
Samster1
Agree about phelan. But it's 2 trophyless seasons in 15 for us now. Which is excellent the team was very average last season but we wouldn't have challenged at all if we didn't have SAF. Once he goes so does the dominance we've enjoyed. By the way Kagawa will be a mastersroke
Seems a lot of fuss about any proposed naming rights for 'Old Trafford'... there is only ONE true Old Trafford and it is not where you go to worship McBluster
Puzzled
Puzzled did you get lost again? Just find a policeman and i'm sure he will help you back to the asylum.. Bless ya cotton socks....
HERBIE
13 Aug 2012 21:01:41
Didn't isco sing the thong song
Redjay (why did my post about the van driver get deleted?) {Ed007's Note - It shouldn't have been posted as a rumour.}
That my friend was Sisqo!
George
Maybe we should sign him
Redjay
13 Aug 2012 20:48:38
The RVP transfer saga reminds me very much of the signing of Dwight York in 1998 and the problems we had taking him away from Villa. Dwight eventually arrived and took the Premier league by storm and the rest is history with the trebble arriving in 1999. We paid £12.6 million for Dwight , a massive fee in those days ,and although considerably younger than RVP we really only got 2 seasons out of him and sold him on for peanuts,but the 2 years or so he gave us were sensational and i don't think anyone will ever say we didn't get value for money. The point i'm making is that 2/3 fantastic years out of RVP would be well worth the money even if there is no return at the end of his contract , provided Manchester United are sucessfull while he's here.
Raffa
13 Aug 2012 20:29:26
Not United related but some sad news for Irish football.
Shay Given has announced his retired from the Irish National squad! 136 proud caps and should feel nothing but proud kept us competing in European and World Cup campaigns.. Cheers for everything you absolute legend!! Too much eyes will be watching Ritchie Dunne now :) End of us competing to qualify without him. Kieron Westwood better develope fast!! END OF IRISH CLEAN SHEETS I FEAR :(
- Newton Heath
13 Aug 2012 20:28:13
Alot of people are commenting saying they want Lewandowski, but in my opinion he would be a waste of money.
1. Kagawa really doesn't like him. Do we really want two players in the dressing room who publically do not like eachother?
2. He's a target man/ poacher, I know this type of forward still works in the Premiership but will not help us in europe against teams where every player needs to be confident and technically gifted on the ball. His passing isn't bad but it can be slow and clumbersome, and his touch is hit and miss.
3. Welbeck's potential is far, far greater then Lewi's. When Lewi was 21 he was scoring 2 goals in every 3 matches. Now this seems good compared to Danny's 1 in 3, but he was playing in POLAND... Danny can do everything, hold up play, pass, dribble, run in behind and is fantastic in possesion. He would take alot of Welbeck's games.
4. He is and never will be as good a player as RVP! He's a consistant goal scorer but never spectacular. RVP is older but for me that is a good thing as he will not get in the way of Welbeck and Co. for too long. He a game changer, a match winner. Lewi is a boring and out dated tap-in specialist. The youngsters would benefit from having RVP around for years to come, but would learn nothing from Lewi apart from standing on a six yard line.
5. Finally, if we want to push Kagawa out of his best spot and break the forming partnership between him and Rooney by buying too many forward players, it has to be for someone really special (which Lewi sadly isn't).
We should be in for 3 types of players in what's remaining of this transfer period.
1. Quality LB
2. Quality CM
3. Players that will improve our ball retention in Europe.
Red Joe
Lewandowski and Kagawa do like each other.
Sydney!
Im sorry but Robert Lewandowski is far superior to Danny Welbeck and has far superior potential he can become a world beater where as Welbeck imo will be an Everton player.
Sydney!
"Lewandowski's game is purely focused on trying to score himself, rather than playing together with his teammates," the Japan international stated to Nikkei. "He never looks around him for players who are in a better position than him. That's why I hardly get the ball from him. There's nothing you can do about that, though. That's simply the type of player he is.
"He has scored 20 times, and I have 13 goals to my name. The only difference is that he doesn't cooperate with other team members. I am convinced that he would score more goals if he made better use of me on the pitch."
- Kagawa,
You'll at least concede that he doesn't enjoy playing with him.
Red Joe
There is a back-up bit to this where Kagawa explained it as "joking" or as if he meant it in a funny way.
Sydney!
I am sure that Kagawa would have given SAF any information good or bad about Liwi or any other of the Dortmund players. So if we end up signing Liwi then I am sure he will fit an MANU
13 Aug 2012 20:02:43
RVP deal is dead - he is staying with Arsenal! is anyone else worried that with exception of Kagawa we have missed every single transfer target for psst 2 years! I still think our midfield is too weak to compete with sh1ty and even chelski this year! Any signings now will surely be rushed and last minute deals for players we didnt really want. I dont think we have the squad this year! Does anyone else agree?
We have three new 1st team signings this year.
1. Kagawa.
2. Vidic.
3. Cleverly
We're much stronger then last year already and the absence from pre-season of Fergie shows we are trying very hard to get some more deals done.
Red Joe
We're jones, young, de gea and Powell not transfer targets? Just turned up for training and they were there warming up so gave them a game.
GDS
Not sure how you can say we have missed out on every one. Utd rarely categorically confirm that they are interested in a player unless circumstances dictate otherwise. For all we know Utd could have tried for hundreds of players over the years and we never get to hear about it.
It's like the X-files, we'll never know the truth. {Ed007's Note - The truth is out there.......}
DGS, I think he was referring to deals where we had any serious competition. Those four players were not exactly prime targets for the heavyweight clubs. And you can argue we overpaid for each....Red Joe, you're right about Vidic and Clev, and I appreciate that SAF is taking time to get deals done, but it can't be a good sign that he's been deeply involved in these attempted deals for weeks (including the Lucas fiasco) and has yet to settle any of them. Hopefully he's succeeding behind the scenes, but there's been little progress we know about, even with SAF focused on the transfers. Can't wait for the season to get started as this summer has not been an enjoyable one for many of us. Just frustrating. -KG
Our midfield is fine, we should be worrying about the left back position. If Evra gets injured then we are in trouble as we have no back up
I have really enjoyed the summer, one fantastic signing and at least one more to come as well as the best young lad in the football league.
Not sure what you are expecting kg, maybe lower your expectations.
GDS
Agree that Gill/SAF seem to drag out transfers. But at same time, we have to make sure we get the right man at the right price.
But I totally agree that our midfield is lacking, we need a strong DM like Martinez. Even Moutinho will add some bite into the midfield.
We cannot be serious in thinking that a midfield containing Cleverley, Anderson, Carrick and Scholes (as long as he can still play) can challenge Real or Barca or even Citeh or Chelsea.
We need at least one world class CM and hopefully SAF will be looking at that.
13 Aug 2012 19:57:42
not a rumour just a common thing to think over
Man city and juventus have pulled out of the race for RVP
Sir alex and gill are trying to get this deal sorted out
Van persie has been booed by the arsenal fans at the cologne match
arsene wenger says that his side possess enough depth to make an assault on the premier league whether van persie stays or goes
arent the signs clear that he is almost at old trafford only thing which is delaying this transfer is the fees which arsenal wants out of RVP
13 Aug 2012 19:55:09
At the beginning of the transfer window I posted saying it would be a long frustrating window... This was because man united and ferguson don't like to pay over the odds for players, witch is right by fergie, but sadly it's cost us modric..snieder..hazzard.. Moura. Baines..nealy kagawa.. And could cost us rvp... We seem to make low bids then negotiate with players just for a minor team to blow us out the water.theres 18 days left of the window.. And I real can't see alt happening, fergie likes business done early... Will see what happens
Can't really use Kagawa as an example seeing as we got him really quickly.
Kai
What a bizarre post. When are people going to realise that United are run as a business, when Utd go in for these players the price rockets and players ask for exorbitant wages which from a business perspective is just not feasible. Snejder would have cost in excess of £35m for a 27 year old and wages in excess of £200k per week or £10m per year for 4 years. How much extra could one player add from a financial perspective?
Very few can justify an £80m outlay, very few.
13 Aug 2012 19:52:17
Let's hope this RVP saga gets put to bed soon for its gettin as bad as the ronaldo saga if fergie wants him dat bad then it looks like he will hav da pay wot arsenal r looking for don't get me wrong I'd love RVP to play for us wot a coup it would b to add to the strength we r building for a challenge of gettin bk the premiership .. Let's hope this senario is sorted by this time nxt week as we play r first game of the new season..coyr.. Paddy n ireland
13 Aug 2012 19:47:21
Its all very well getting excited about van Persie but i think its distracting us all away from other pressing areas like LB and CM.
Whats the latest on these?
Personally i'd go for Oviedo Isco, Dembele or Wanyama and shuip out Macheda, Berbatov if there were any takers.
13 Aug 2012 19:35:07
There was a guy on here saying RVP would be signed sealed and deliverd TODAY.
Time is running out and the prophecy has not yet been forfilled !
Warrington red.
MANUTD1990, said we have signed RVP for £22m and on a £220k a week salary. He said that he will be unveiled on Saturday, then changed it til today.
He is of course wrong. There is a chance United may agree a deal for tonight, but no deal was agreed days ago like he said. If a deal was agreed tonight then tomorrow will likely be when he goes for a medical. Lets just wait and see, but one thing for sure is that we are yet to agree a fee with Arsenal.
Sydney!
13 Aug 2012 18:59:00
First time I've posted on eya just wanted to ask any of the eds... who do u think we will get before the window shuts? Cheers :)
MufcTillIDieee
13 Aug 2012 18:53:38
Joao Moutinho's name was mentioned again today and I think he wants to move to the premier league as he is unhappy with Porto or something. Obviously AVB would be interested but I imagine they would have to sell Mods before they can bid, Eds is there any chance of united swooping in for him?
NWDA {Ed002's Note - Modric has all but gone.}
Would they really need Moutinho if they sign M'Vila?
Where to ED? has a fee been agreed with Madrid? {Ed002's Note - The deal with Real Madrid is all but done I understand - it will almost certainly go through.}
13 Aug 2012 18:50:56
Hi Ed's , can anyone update me on the iturbe situation, I thought we had some sort of agreement for him, but it seems to be another one that's gonna slip through the net that we'll regret not getting later. Or do we actually have an aggrement for him?
cheers, Tookers. {Ed002's Note - He may spend a season at Genoa.}
13 Aug 2012 18:43:27
I think we need a scrum half type midfielder
Redjay
Need a new wicket keeper type to cover de gea and lindegaard too.
1redarmy
I was thinking a prop and a couple of good hookers.
I play hooker for ulster's under 18's fergie sign me up!!!
Caolán. {Ed007's Note - I've known a few Irish hooker's over the years.}
Who is going to play wing defence when the wing attack is up with the goal shooter though?
GDS
Bond i think your getting confused with the word Hooker ;-)
George
Bring back the sweeper
Redjay
Don't want any hookers rooney could get distracted
CaolAin whats your full name? Dont recognise that name in the Ulster U18 setup...
13 Aug 2012 18:39:46
Ed! Just a question. Have started following football for 2-3 years only.
premier league is considered best among other leagues however when I see transfer rumours I hardly find teams in La Liga or say bundesliga interested in players playing in EPL. Whatever name we manage to hear are hardly english.
But EPL teams are linked with so many players of other leagues ( some of them are a long;long way from being world class)
Why is that so?
Victor J.
Victor J. {Ed002's Note - English players do not travel well Victor.}
I think the Editor is generous with his answer. The thing is English players are general very pricey and command unrealistic wages already. Yes, they dont travel well, but the EPL is already a very superior league already and it makes little or no sense to move from Premier League to the Championship, doesn't it. {Ed007's Note - I don't agree with that, even during the years when English teams were banned from Europe there was no mass exodus of players to foreign shores and the majority that have went abroad have never lasted very long. Although the fees and wages are higher there are not many English players that are as technically good as foreign players and the ones who are/were seem settled in life here. Look at the EPL just now, how many of the 'star' players are actually English? The EPL relies heavily on foreign imports to add a bit of flair to their teams. Do you think City or Chelsea have had to fight off Spanish or Italian interest in Rodwell/Moses or is it so that the club's meet their quota of home-grown players?}
I'm struggling to think of English/ British players who moved abroad and were a success. So far i have John Charles, Gary Lineker, David Platt, posssibly Hoddle/ Waddle and Beckham. Any i've missed?
Lambert, Samways, McManaman and Keanes doing good at LA off the top of my head.
Jono {Ed007's Note - Lambert is Scottish and Keane is Irish.}
Jonathan Woodgate? :)
StevieK
Kevin Keegan, Paul lambert
Redjay
Owen Hargreaves, though he started abroad
=v1=
Lambert is British
Redjay
Mcmanaman won the champions league at Madrid.
GDS
I know Bond but the poster above did say English/British players.
Jono
Paul ince
jred
13 Aug 2012 17:48:51
I honestly don't think we will sign rvp and same as the moura saga I wouldn't pay the money they want was glad in a way we didn't get moura cus 30m for a 19yr old who ain't proven is disgusting about time a independent team say 2 ex pros set transfer fees on players depending on appearances etc etc it is spiraling out of control.same as rvp arsenal want 20m for a 29yr old who's got a year left ..I don't think so but this is just my opinion as a season ticket holder I want united to spend wisely not just for sake of it,we don't have to spend a fortune on one player yes we have wasted money on rubbish but on other side ...ronaldo 12m...valencia 16m..chicarito 7m...kagawa will be good..we only lost out on goal difference and look what city spent!
You are basing your prediction on your opinion. It's two separate things. United want to buy RVP, only time will tell if we do or not.
Sydney!
Utd have always behaved like citeh and chelski in the transfer market,its therefore quite ironic that some fans are now concerned about this practice especially given utd,s dept,lack of interest in the share float and goodness knows how utd are going to pay the bonds back when they mature.but hey,you cant teach an old dog new tricks,i mean 20m+ for a 29 year old +the same wages as rooney,whats that figure at now 220k per week,but i suppose when you paint yourself into a corner(high dept)its essential to have success on the pitch or else its goodnight dick,another portsmouth or rangers senario,catch 22 anyone?
No name, perhaps you are out of your depth on this one. I see little point on you commenting about United when you do not know what you are talking about? United are in a very healthy position. It's the Glazers who are in need for cash, not the club. Other than Arsenal, United are probably the safest club from ever ending up like Leeds or Rangers.
Sydney!
You clearly don't know what catch 22 means so don't use it. Do you mean debt or dept? No1 is going to listen to a word you say when your post looks like an 8 year old child wrote it.
Portsmouth or rangers haha good one.
GDS
The glazers desperate need for cash and utds cash flow are linked syd . whatever way you want to spin it syd we know the truth .
13 Aug 2012 17:58:56
i really dought we are going to get rvp because when the deals get leaked to the press and everyone thinks we will get them like what happed with the moura deal. but it didnt happen when we were buying kagawa and lets be honest most of us didnt know how good he was before we bought him so id say if any striker lewandowski because he wants to come here he is quite young which sir alex will buy ahead of a 29 year old injury prone player.
The Moura deal was confirmed that was all done just the signature until P$G came along, so everything can go ahead, but i agree 100% about Lewandowski, he seems the better player considering his age, and price tag and not injury prone, however I dont see Dortmund considering a offer for another top player unless it was a great offer, would love too see Lewandowski or RVP only time will tell!
U.T.I.D
13 Aug 2012 17:55:39
why do people go on about box to box and attacking and defensive midfielders a good midfielder can do all of them jobs if required and is just called a central midfifielder a lot of people of think football it is a simple game but people over complicate it to much time on football manager!
snowdog trumpet
Its a lot better than using that American term "quarterback" , what a load of tosh that is....
HERBIE
So you would just refer to Claude Makelele as a central midfielder? Or David Silva? Yes football is a simple game but a simple game that has evolved. All round players are few and far between these days.
TK-Red
I'd like to see Xavi have a bash at the Makelele role and Reo-Coker have a go at the Iniesta role.
13 Aug 2012 17:00:33
Who does everyone think would better ManUtd the most out of the rumoured targets and which are most likely to go through?
RvP Arsenal
Luca Modric Spurs
Jauo Moutinho Porto
James Rodriguez Porto
Cheick Tioté Newcastle
Yann M'Vila Rennes
Wesley Sneijder Inter
Axel Witsel Benfica
Paulo Henriqué Ganso Santos
All would command a fairly large sum and wage but I feel would contribute to the team greatly in the positions we needed to be strengthened. I believe Ganso n Witsel would be the biggest risk of buys because we need an established creative midfielder to accompany Kagawa. What's your thoughts?
ALDUtd
Witsel, Rodriguez & RVP.
Anderson, Nani & Berbatov.
Sydney!
Witsel and RVP for me, but if we can't get Witsel then Tiote.
RedDevil19
Fellaini Everton
Cban
I would add Macheda and Bebe to your list Syd I think we will eventually get RVP as Arsenal will never give him the salary we will I also think we will get either Witsel or Moutinho
ARB
13 Aug 2012 16:47:07
Eds, a question for you... do you know if any club is angling for Oscar De Marcos from Bilbao? I've seen him a few times (not enough, I know) and he seemed like everything we have missed in the absence of Fletch...
Thanks in advance,
~Itchynose {Ed002's Note - Marcos is not available.}
13 Aug 2012 16:40:28
Ed002, can I ask if the Glazers have received all of the cash for the 10% float yet? Or are they still trying to sell them? Thanks.
Sydney! {Ed002's Note - They won't have any of it yet Syd - give it a few weeks.}
13 Aug 2012 16:24:37
What would people prefer on here, RVP or Lewandowski? Both have their merits and both would improve the squad. Since Kagawa seems so adept at playing in a midfield 2 (only time will tell against better opposition to be sure) we could do with another striker. Lewandowski would be more easy to leave out the team of Welbeck and Hernandez to play - however RVP comes with more of an immediate punch and would add that buzz due to who he is.
Also, I'm not saying that its at all possible, but it would be brilliant to sign Xabi Alonso who says he isn't going to sign a new deal. He would probably never come here. Madrid may decide to get rid of him while they can get a fee, but would this mean Sahin stays? Its a very interesting situation.
RedDevil19
I would personally prefer Lewandowski, Younger, not as injury prone as RVP, and has worked with Kagawa before, very well i might add :P. Just think he would be a better option for us.
James.
I am torn mate. Lewandowski seems to be our kind of signing and would make more sense, but RVP does give the team instant impetus. I would be happy with either, but perhaps buying RVP would answer a lot of critics on here as he isn't a 'Glazer type' signing.
Sydney!
Lewandowski
G.A.G.U.S
I'm with Syd (and GAGUS), would prefer Lewandowski but I don't think he'll be available. I can't see Dortmund being too happy at losing 2 key players to us in one go but then everyone has his price.
Is it possible RVP could be bought at a lower price than quoted on here given age/contract/injury record and provide instant impetus to the team as Syd so rightly says.
Lewandowski to follow in a season or two?
Mr Q
13 Aug 2012 16:18:14
Only time will tell if we have dodged a bullet by not trying to move for Rodwell. If he stays fit then I am sure that he will get to the level of a fit Hargreaves, but on the other hand he may spend more time in the treatment room. £15 million isn't a bad price, especially for an English player. We'll have to see what happens! As for RVP, I don't believe that the deal is anywhere near as close as some people say on here but I do think that he will come in the end - we will have to wait a while longer though. Also hoping we get Witsel and a left back before the 31st.
RedDevil19
13 Aug 2012 16:03:31
im hearing fergies got 50 million to spend,
needs a lot more than that.
Why does he need any more than that?
We are 2 players away from challenging for every trophy.
GDS
Which two players do you think will make that happen? A lb and a cm or striker?
MU93
Left back and a striker. I think fergie is pretty happy with the midfield. In an ideal world I'd get a midfielder as well, was going to say 2-3 players to be honest but just thought it was a bit greedy.
With scholes, Carrick, Anderson, Cleverley, kagawa, Powell and even giggs and petrucci at a push I am not 100% sure there isn't a combination of 2 or 3 in there that could rip many teams apart.
GDS
I believe the signing of RvP and Moutinho or Ganso or Moutinho would give us our 20th title, FA Cup and we would be finalists for Champions league. Although it hurts me to say it but we are falling further and further behind Barca and Real Madrid.
With Fletcher coming back and Carrick given a specific role I feel our midfield will be organised and give our full-backs the cover they missed last season. Allowing the attacking third to do what they do without hindering because let's be honest, Carrick is terrible going forward
13 Aug 2012 16:00:54
i know it looks like rvp is nailed on but i would have
lewandowski every time.
13 Aug 2012 15:36:31
Very surprised this time that Gotze and Hamsik havnt been linked to any of the clubs so far. Last window you coudnt start the day without hearing or reading about them.
Also why arent we after hamsik such a good midfielder, young and very talented.
Long Duck Dong
Both unavailable I guess mate.
Sydney!
Because both have signed contract extensions at their respective clubs
Gotze had that nasty injury last season... never really got back to his old self and teams will be keeping an eye on him this season to see his developments. Also Napoli don't have to necessarily sell now that they offloaded Lavezzi
RedKnight
Gotze signed a new deal earlier in the year, and would cost a crazy amount ~ £50m
I don't Gotze leaving soon.
I think it has something to do with Napoli not wanting to sell him and slapping an 80mill (or thereabouts) buy out clause on him.
Gar
13 Aug 2012 15:10:27
What's the possibility of signing RvP, Yann M'Vila and either Jauo Moutinho or Luca Modric?
RVP: £20 with add ons
Yann M'Vila: £12 with Berbatov?
Jauo Moutinho £20 rising to £25
Luca Modric £25 rising to £30
With players going to maximum price that's £62 Million and we would get Berbatov's wage bill off the books. And add creativity and steel to out midfield that we have been calling for! What's your opinion peeps?
ALDUtd
Luca Modric has had chances before to join us.....and has never shown any interest whats so ever......he will join Real Madrid.
Yann M'Vila has issues, Ferguson doesn't need problem players.
Jauo Moutinho is a class act......but £20 million......and the rest. Porto will want Modric money £30 - 35 million.
None I would say. I don't think we are showing any interest in M'Vila and I don't think we can afford both RVP and a £30 million midfielder like Moutinho or Modric.
RedDevil19
Be lucky to get that for £62 mate!
GDS
I don't think Moutinho would be valued at the same amount as Modric. My assumption would be he isn't playing in the EPL, younger player than Modric and hasn't got the wage demands of Modric. I was only "licking my lips" when I wrote that post but we could have one more signing after Van Persie and our midfield is calling for an established player
I think Anderson plus 20 million for Moutinho would be about right. As far as I know Porto had expressed an interest. Eds can you confirm that maybe?
Andy
13 Aug 2012 15:06:38
probabbly been said a million times, but why spend 20mill and 200k a week on a 29yr old who is injury prone, i just cannot see or hope it happening, there is plenty of younger options out there.
It's been said by people who know nothing about football, he would instantly improve our first team, so he would be a fantastic signing.
I have spoken to Liverpool fans who are desperate for us not to sign him as they think it will help us win the league. Signing the PFA player of the year for 20 mill would be an amazing deal.
GDS
I agree GDS
people talk like 29 is over the hill - these days there's no reason why a player in his position can't play until he's 32 or 33 - that's 2 or 3 good years if he looks after himself.
A risk worth taking for such a top player, and the instant impact he would have, IMO.
StevieK
Yes he would improve our first team....IF he has a good season without injury again like last but thats not guaranteed, What OP is saying is that money would be better spent on lets say Lewandowski or a better LB rather than someone who might get a bad injury!
I'm not so sure about signing RVP, don't get me wrong, I think the guy is class but at £20 mill for an ageing injury prone player is a massive gamble to take.... If he comes to us I will welcome him with open arms but I think the £ (IF we do have it) could be spent more wisely....
HERBIE
Herbie mate, I think we should forget about the money on this one as I think it may be more damaging not signing him. Morale amongst the fans will not be good and a signing like this will install massive impetus amongst the players.
Lets not forget he can take a quality freekick too.
Sydney!
Syd i don't doubt his ability, he could be great for us and i understand it would be a huge boost for club and fans alike, i just think his injury record is poor at best and i would'nt want another Hargreave situation, it could efecttively do more damage than good for us.
Anyways like i said earlier, if he came i would welcome him with open arms....
HERBIE
13 Aug 2012 14:50:04
What's the possibility of signing RvP, Yann M'Vila and either Jauo Moutinho or Luca Modric?
RVP: £20 with add ons
Yann M'Vila: £12 with Berbatov?
Jauo Moutinho £20 rising to £25
Luca Modric £25 rising to £30
With players going to maximum price that's £62 Million and we would get Berbatov's wage bill off the books. And add creativity and steel to out midfield that we have been calling for! What's your opinion peeps?
ALDUtd
Think of it...
De Gea
Jones Ferdinand Vidic Evra
M'Vila
Moutinho Kagawa
Nani. Rooney/RvP Young
De Gea
Jones Ferdinand Vidic Evra
M'Vila
Nani. Kagawa/Moutinho Young
RvP Rooney
13 Aug 2012 14:50:02
United we Won't sign RvP. I think we won't sign anyone.tom cleverly Anderson are all back.darren fletcher on the way back. we have cleverly,anderson,carrick,scholes,kagawa,darren fletcher,Davide Petrucci, just use your common sense. arsenal don't want to sell RVP to us,and i can't see manutd pay 25m for 29 years old.sec before we buy we have to sell berbatov,so i just hope we can used him and £15m for lewendoski
fact. Last season we were very short in midfielder position,to compare to to 6 team or big European team,we were very weak in the middle,in modern football you need quality midfielder to control the game,we can't do that anymore,we all know we lose 2 final against Barcelona and pure quality of midfielder they have won the game for them. Also its just matter of time before tom and Anderson get back to physio room,to be honestly we can't depend on them.they say we just behind Barcelona, are you serious ? honestly we are going backwards. i never hate anything like this people call them self glazer family.they put so much pain in our heart.
ferdcoast
Common sense suggests we will sign more players.
Sydney!
Beautiful mancunian tone
13 Aug 2012 14:48:12
I'd rather get lewandoski and witsel for their youth and re-sell price tbh... yes RVP's experience would be good...... for a season or two.
Rooney - Lewandoski
Kagawa
Nani/Young - Scholes/Witsel - Valencia
Evra - Vidic - Ferdinand - Jones/Rafael
De Gea/Lindergaard
13 Aug 2012 14:40:00
this is all ridiculous... paying 20 mill for an old injury prone player... yes it would be great seeing RVP next to Rooney but i'd rather just spend the money on a midfielder or just wait untill next year when we can get Lewandowski
13 Aug 2012 14:23:14
I think with the top teams tinkering with three at the back, I think we should try it. We could get away with giving Evra a free role if Witsel & Evans were there to back him up. Personally I would play Young there or perhaps Baines, but Evra could be okay if he never had to get back as much. If we were to sign RVP/Lewandowski, Baines & Witsel, would peeps be happy with that? More importantly all of Baines, Witsel & RVP are left footers on the left side. If Wigan can play the 3-4-3 effectively I am sure we could.
_____________De Gea
_____Smalls____Vidic____Evans
TonyV___Clever______Witsel___Baines
_____________Kagawa
_______Rooney_______V.Persie
Sydney!
I dought we will get baines so put evra there. rio has a good partner ship with evans so put him in insted of smalling. but i think the formation itself is good
We don't have a tactician any more syd, we stick to the out dated 4411/442 and 433...
bring back carlos...(not tevez)
Can't see it happening but there's no denying it's a strong lineup
Gav
Just need Contrao marauding down the left ;)
DodgyBanter
13 Aug 2012 14:10:21
First time poster here, absolutley love the site, must come here about 10 times a day to check for updates.
But in all seriousness, off topic from recent posts, just after reading another article from the Metro, where Usain Bolt is going on again about joining us. I personally find it pretty comical, and don't think he'l be any good whatsoever, but just love his arogance into believing how good he will be. He's keen on even coaching everyone to perfect their sprinting techniques. Why not let him come down to at least do the coaching? Learning to sprint from the fastest man to ever walk the earth could only do good?
Give him the trial I say! For the laugh, and the money and publicity we could bring in would be phenominal. Sure what if he turns out to be good? He'd be our own Mario BalotelliX100 with his personality. Why Not!
MCP101
We don't need to pull silly publicity stunts to gain new fans and the new season starts in 5 days so I'm pretty sure there's no room for the players to be messing around on some PR exercise with anyone! Not a very mature post at all
Flimbo
Agree with the part about helping him coach the players who rely on speed on their running technique for a few weeks....but the guy is comical - I read a interview where he was asked specific questions about United and he didnt have a clue 'who is your favourite player' 'ohh its hard to choose one, they are all great' kinda sh*t. Glazers prob threw his a few quid to mention Utd a few times before the IPO.
Consultant sprint coach a possibility, but no more than that.
Mr Q
13 Aug 2012 14:09:49
Why do people on here say we need a "quaterback style midfielder?? Just because we have American owners does'nt mean we have to become Americanised.... Playmaker, box to box, defensive, attacking but NOT quaterback ffs, Pool fans wil be pi**ing themselves at that....
HERBIE
Deep laying playmaker is what it's traditionally called in England.
Sydney!
Yea I understand that Syd but you hit the nail on the head, THIS IS ENGLAND, not America, just kinda winds me up :-)
HERBIE
13 Aug 2012 14:03:13
So Fernando Llorente and Xabi Alonso won't be signing contract extensions at their respective clubs. Not United related, but interesting nonetheless.
RedManDan
Would love Llorente at Utd - top target man, who would thrive on delivery from the flanks.
Tell him to bring his mate Muniain with him too :)
StevieK
13 Aug 2012 13:55:53
Well well! MANUTD1990 where are you now eh! not much to report today is there! on the monday that you said RVP would sign for us!
We still have 10 hours mate, don't jump to conclusions.
-JakeW
Lol rvp is already in the holland camp, so he cant even say give it till midnight
13 Aug 2012 13:40:36
SAF has missed two pre season games on so called club business yet neither of these have resulted in any transfer to date. What could have been so time critical that he needed to miss two games when we also know Gill usually does the negotiating. Whatever it was it has not come to fruition which surprises me a little.
We are 1 week to the season and anyone we bring in will take time to be up to speed so will bargaining over an extra million or five cost us vital points at the beginning of a vital season. At what point does the bargaining impact our season and it becomes worth negotiating faster?
Personally I believe the window should shut on 31st July
Red Man
I think it should shut midnight before the day of the Community Shield.
Sydney!
Question for Red Man, as you have watched both RVP and Lewandowski and rate both, who would you prefer to see at United for £20m?
Lewandowski - 24
Van Persie - 29
Sydney!
Sydney
Tough Sydney as Lewandowski is a better long term bet and from the little I have seen seems a touch quicker. He plays well with Kagawa , however as a statement Van Persie is a bigger one. If we don't buy RVP and he goes to City how would we view Citys chances of winning things or even everything after signing the player of the year. To me I would take the chance on RVP and see where Lewandowski is in 12 months and how we are doing. If RVP stays at Arsenal then Lewandowski would be a definite choice
I am not stuck on just them and if there is another option like Higuiain then we should consider that. I still want to see Martinez and Muniain as well, whilst selling Nani, Anderson and Berbatov. That guarantees disagrees but it is the standard we need.
Red Man
Not sure we will get Martinez or Muniain, but I am sure we will get players to fill the same positions as them.
Sydney!
Red Man, also take a look at the column dated 12 Aug 2012 22:42:41 on the rumours page. Not sure the RVP deal quite dead yet.
Sydney!
13 Aug 2012 13:37:09
Juve are claiming they are already in talks with Fernando llorente about a move to the Italian champions, I think SAF should try and sneak in a snatch higuain from the other English clubs wanting him. {Ed002's Note - Higuain will not be moving, and if he were the price would be an issue.}
13 Aug 2012 13:10:47
Lads,
It is looking ever more likely that we will finally have a dramatic transfer deadline day.. To be fair the last few deadline days I was really down we did not sign anybody..
With both Fergie and Gill being open about looking to add to the squad and deals looking like they could go to the wire is anybody else excited ??
(Banter Please Ed!)
Gaz
I am hoping we sign Lewandowski/RVP, a decent midfielder like Isco and a young LB to be a back up for Evra until Fabio is back.
I Would be very happy with them signings!
-JakeW
We wont sign another player this summer, i have said it all along. fergie and gill are full of s*%t, theyv been telling us for years we have all this money to spend and what have we actually done? we're becoming a joke in the transfer market, its getting embarrasing
You have hit the nail on the head every year the same the glazers puppet fergie would feel he was spending hes own money
Last 2 posters, go and support City, them posts are pathetic.
I will never be embarrassed of the club I love, especially when this summer we have already signed a top player in the exact position we need.
We are clearly in for other players, people just love being right, if we do sign someone they will never come back.
GDS
Gds. i would go and support city but iv already bought my season ticket, as i have for the last 15 years of my life, we call ourselfs the biggest club in the world yet time and time again fail to sign the best players, we wernt good enough last season and we're yet to significantly improve our squad, kagawa looks great but we need more. i think you need to get in the real world mate
No name,
Sit back and enjoy the transfer window, if you have had a season ticket for 15 years do you realise how lucky you are to have witnessed one of the greatest times in the clubs history? It's not always been like this you know and it won't always be that good, things change
If you are a real fan you will follow the team come what may and never be embarrassed of anything. The only thing embarrassing about our club is that pathetic things the fans come out with. Everyone moaning we haven't signed anyone good is now putting at the end of the sentence 'apart from kagawa'. So we have signed someone good and I am sure we are trying to sign more.
GDS
I am lucky but iv paid thousands of pounds for that privelidge, fergie bleats on about value for money! well im starting to feel a little bit short changed
13 Aug 2012 13:07:53
i know one the reserve team players apparantly were signing nobody the board think we have enough to push for the title
SAF has been looking a options within the squad rather than spending to please the fans
If that was the case SAF would have just said so, " we have enough quality " or "there is no value in the market" like he has done previously...
Gaz
Rio Ferdinand openly says on his twitter that the players have no idea whatsoever who we are signing and sit there on deadline day like the rest of us.
So Rio doesn't find out, but said reserve team player knows everything, brilliant.
GDS
GDS.. had oliver gill still been at the club then maybe this would have been true but like you said he would have been the only res-e that may have known anything.....
OXred
13 Aug 2012 12:52:49
We need a LB mate. We only have one senior LB.
Sydney!
---------------------------------------------------
I know we do Syd but other than Baines I don't really see us looking hard enough. Maybe it is a case of a deal not being made public in which case I would be happy but Everton really don't seem to want Baines to go.
Also I dont actually see anyone else being good enough that will want to play second fiddle.
1redarmy
But, we still need someone mate. So one will have to be signed. A club as big as ours will not go into a season with one senior LB. Brady isn't a LB and Blackett isn't ready. Evra has been a liability for a couple season's now and desperately needs replacing or at the very least a challenger for his position. A LB will need to be signed mate.
Sydney!
Agree with you Syd, if we don't buy a lb then evra has no competition to push and make him work harder. Also should Evans get played as emergency lb I wouldn't be too pleased at that as a fast winger would ruin him.
Mad Hatter
13 Aug 2012 12:50:01
Just read somewhere that Sahin is available on loan. Loan option will suit us with an option to buy at any point of season.
ProgrammerFan.
Will sign with Arsenal on loan by the end of the week. Source is as.com
13 Aug 2012 12:24:23
With smalling,jones and jonny evans out for the start of the season,that leaves us with Vidic & Ferdinand in the CB Position.I think Fergie should go for a young CB i don't Carrick standing in defence against the likes of Fellani,jelavic,peinnar.so i think we need a new CB.
What is wrong with Ferdinand and Vidic? And what happens when them 3 players are fit, we then have 4 centre halfs on the bench?
GDS
Or we sign MARTINEZ and improve our mid-field and have another great option at CB...
come on fergie make it happen.
We have Wootton who is a young CB and has looked very good the whole of pre season. pointless buying a CB unless we suddenly get our CB's suffering long term injuries.
Mad Hatter
13 Aug 2012 12:21:43
I read a theory somewhere that said UTD were leaking stories to the press to raise interest for the flotation on the stock exchange. After thinking about it for a bit it sort of makes sense. David Gill said "We dont make up stories" but is it coincedence that Fergie publicly comes out and declares interest in a player (which he never does) a week before the club went on the exchange. I thought for a long time the stories were to appease fans, but now i think it might be both. I am beginning to belive we purposely miss out on all our main targets, but are being seen to be interested. Before you all slate me and my opinion, look at the facts!!
Sambo
Good theory, but, with both Hazard and Moura confirming that they wanted to go elsewhere, but what if PSG had not come in with the big offer, he's stated he would have sighed for Utd which says they where going to pay. If not Moura woulda came out and said "I agreed with Utd but they pulled out" which would be a bad move for the club. Hazard said he chose Chelsea on the back of them winning the CL. Now that could have went the same way if Chelsea had lost to BM. Althou again Chelsea where paying better agent fees as well. But I don't think that would be a risk Utd would take, on the risk that if they didn't pay up and buy the player shares would have got sold dropping the price even more and upsetting "600 mill" fans.
Tommy
We are actively looking to replace Nani. Moura interest was confirmed by the manager, but a bid for Rodriguez wasn't. Arsenal have confirmed our strong interest in RVP along with Gill and the manager. I think the attempts to sign Moura & RVP were/are genuine, but SAF publicly admitting it was for the benefit of the IPO.
Sydney!
Nothing to stop a club bidding for any player in the knowledge that they can walk away at any time with the excuse of not being willing to pay the agents high fee,s.
johndenton
May also be for the benefit of season ticket sales,since renewing my tickets, today was the 6th or 7th email ive had asking if i wanted extra season tickets.
johndenton
John, but agent fees are negotiable too. Ribeiro said himself that we were close to signing Lucas. If PSG never came in for him United would have more than likely got their man.
Sydney!
13 Aug 2012 12:04:33
(banter please ed)
_______de gea_______
rafael_vidic_ferdy_Evra
____m'villa__clevs____
ToniV__kagawa__LNani
_______rooney_______
in: m'villa 17m - Oviedo 5m
id prefer to do that than sign RVP..
13 Aug 2012 11:48:10
Does anyone else think Carrick is a fool for joining the international set-up now? He will be snubbed again in two year's time when it's time to play in the finals. He is also risking injury and we need him whilst we have defensive injuries with Smalling, Jones & Evans out.
Sydney!
He obviously thinks he is good enough to start but I completely agree that he won't be starting in the next World Cup.
Wilshere is IMO England's best CM when fit so he will start if fit, Cleverley looked fantastic for GB at the Olympics, Parker and Barry are ahead of Carrick at the moment even though IMO Barry is the most overrated player around, Gerrard and Lampard are always likely to play and then you have players like Milner and Oxlade Chamberlain who can play in the middle. Even Jones, Rodwell (if he stays fit and doesn't get benched constantly which is very unlikely) have a reasonable chance.
I'd rather Carrick concentrated on United but you cannot stop someone from wanting to represent their country.
Rjmanutd
If and it is a big if they can all stay fit....
a mid-field 3 of
_____ Rodwell
_ Cleverly _ Wilshire
would be pretty good.......
oxred
Can't blame a guy for wanting to represent his country.. Best of luck to him and I hope he stays injury free..
Gaz
13 Aug 2012 11:40:27
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Nip
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G.A.G.U.S
13 Aug 2012 11:35:57
although i think we don't need RVP, but it's a big help for us that arsenal fans jeered RVP in pre-season match. God willing, we'll land him.
13 Aug 2012 07:58:16
I dont think we really need rvp if Chicha hits his old form and Welbeck's finishing improves..Rooney's getting more consistent in front of goal and also Kagawa can add a few to the tally..
Hoping for some players who can add strength to our midfield..Ed, any news on Witsel?
Thanks in advance!
13 Aug 2012 11:33:17
A quote from goal that makes me feel great about being a UTD fan
"Their failures to attain the players they so desired this summer will unquestionably attract banter from opposing fans. The embarrassment will person away at Manchester United's ego but rest assured it will also serve to fuel their already intense desire to succeed. United's attitude can be interpreted as arrogant at times but regardless of the circumstances, they always exude confidence. They believe they are the best, they believe they will win the title and they always believe, no matter what the clock says, that they can score that crucial goal. United simply believe."
13 Aug 2012 11:29:35
so, which is a worse deal? rodwell for to city for 15m or allen to liverpool for 15m?
nov00
Liverpool Paid £15 mill for someone who will prob be first team player City pay £15 mill on a reserve, albeit with potential but so does Allen have potential. I'd say Liverpool got the better deal.
Well Joe Allen will actually play whereas i am suspicious city only bought rodwell to increase the amount of english player in their squad
Ste-Utd
13 Aug 2012 11:26:12
having seen the olympic football, I'm going to suggest 2 players as replacement if we don't get RVP, we have leandro damiao, under 23 and scored a lot of goals this tournament, and oribe peralta, 28, who is a lot cheaper than van persie and scored some great goals.
nov00
Bear in mind Peralta is 28 and nobody has heard of him before, don't you think he just had one good match?
GDS
More than one, he was mexico's best player.
nov00
I saw 2 mexico matches live, the final and against Senegal. Mexico's best player was infact Diego Reyes i think you'll find, and Marco Fabian had a good tourament. Peralta had a quiet game against Brazil apart from his goals. He has only played 10 times at full senior level with a meagre 2 goals. An average player who is 28. Not a chance in hell
=v1=
13 Aug 2012 11:18:26
Moura snub leaves Man Utd with Mexico star
Peralta scored two goals in shock win over Brazil
By
* Staff
Published Monday, August 13, 2012
Mexico's Oribe Peralta (right) celebrates scoring a goal during their gold medal match at Wembley Stadium during the London 2012 Olympic Games on Saturday. (REUTERS)
Mexico's historic win over Brazil to clinch the gold medal in London 2012 Olympic Games may have come as a blessing in disguise for Sir Alex Ferguson.
Manchester United's bid to sign Brazil superstar Lucas Moura had run into hurdles on several fronts after cash-rich French club Paris Saint German joined the race to land Sao Paolo’s £30 million-rated starlet.
United were happy to pay Moura's club £25m for the midfielder but were unwilling to cough up a sum of £6m in fees as demanded by the player's agent Wagner Ribeiro.
However, Mexico's shock win over an underachieving Brazilian side in which Moura rarely played has changed the equation with the emergence of one Oribe Peralta.
Mexico two-goal hero has declared his desire to follow Manchester United star Javier Hernandez into English football after sealing his country's Olympic triumph, according to the Daily Mail.
The 28-year-old Santos Laguna striker Peralta showcased his immeasurable talent to put himself in the shop window ahead of the Barclays Premier League season.
Admitting being at Wembley made his career-defining moment even more special, he said: "Yes, of course I'd love to come and play here. It would be a challenge and it would be really great for me."
Hernandez is one of few Mexicans to make a real impression in the Premier League and Peralta said: "He's an inspiration to us, scoring goals.
"We have to train to be like him. He scores many important goals for Manchester United. This makes us happy and it's something we aspire to."
United's consternation at missing out on Moura could be offset by hiring the new Mexican hitman.
He's 28 and average. NO.
=v1=
13 Aug 2012 11:05:17
Hi All,
Looking forward to the season, but in truth am fed up with the way Utd's transfers or seemingly ''last minute scramble'' when things go wrong.
Kagawa was well handled, Powell also, however we still need a ''quarterback'' style midfielder & also a midfield enforcer & we seem no nearer to that being concluded or solved.
The chasing & failure to capture Moura & Hazard was very poor & has made us appear ''weak'', especially on the back of Nasri last year.
I am not bothered about us not getting them, just the negative reflection it has on the club. We appear now to be scrambling after RVP without much reporting of of our midfield needs being satisfied.
Carrick has not been our answer in the past & will not be in the future, ask yourself this, if he came up for sale, would he command a £20m + price that a true maestro would? We need a game changer, someone who can move the ball around in a forward & fast motion.
I hope we find two midfielders, we cannot surely rely on Scholes & Giggs again, if we do, then that reflects poor planning, as in my opinion, we have been lacking since Keane left.
If you can ask yourself one or two questions, would this current squad beat the team of 99 or the team with the last year of Ronaldo? My view is no & for a team of our standing, history & power, that is not good planning.
I truly hope we get the right players, I will support no matter who plays or how we perform, but no good us keep coming out with ''600 million plus supporters'' if we cannot build the best team. We need to move forward.
EBL
Wtf is a 'quaterback style CM'??
A ''quarterback'' CM would be one who spreads the ball around, controls attacking play & dictates the attacking flow.
EBL
Just like paul scholes!
Modric, Scholes, Moutinho, Alonso, Xavi to name a few. Cleverley seems to be taking over that role now.
Sydney!
I think he means a scholesxavi type player. Every team would love one, unfortunetly they are few and far between. I for one am actually quite happy wit our midfield. Scholes carrick clevs and on the basis of the hannover match kags can do a job in there too. Linngaard and petrucci look to be going in the right direction along wit powell and tunners.
Wouldnt say no to witsel but i think we could be in a much worse scenario.
GALWAY RED
When did we start using American Handball terms in football? A creative midfielder is what we need!
13 Aug 2012 09:20:00
hi guys!
just like make a point that i think every1 is missing!
fergie hasnt spent the money on hazard or moura cause they did not want to join utd simple as that.
mouras agent confirmed it by saying that paris was a better city than manchester. if moura wanted to play for Man United than money would not come in to it on either side.
Same with hazard its was all bout the cash he didnt want to play for us either. i for 1 wouldnt like players like that at our club.
its the same reason we havent bid 40mil for modric he doesnt want to come to us he is fergies no1 target as confirmed last year by harry rednapp but he just doesnt want to play for us so whats the point bidding 40mil for him?
we have the cash there for players but only for players that want to play for the club! sir alex wont let us down
cheers!
Moura wanted to play for United, but we were not willing to meet the agent's demands. The agents in Brazil hold just as much if not more power as the selling club and player these days.
Sydney!
Surely if moura wanted to play for utd it didnt matter what leanardo said to him he would have signed the contract that was supposedly drawn up there and then?
If its true that moura was about to sign for united does that not mean agent fees were not an issue.
Did PSG not just blow us out the water
jred
PSG agreed to pay the full amount of what Ribeiro wanted, we were not prepared to.
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Very true Ed, but would you agree that if United had paid WR his £6m a month ago that Lucas would more than likely be a United player now?
Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I am not so sure Syd. Ribeiro wanted an entirely different solution that would see Moura head to Inter one way or another. Inter did not need to pay as much as the other clubs but carried on trying to complicate the matter with players. The discussions in Colorado were aimed at looking for another option that would get Moura to Inter eventually. When discussing it last week he himself said he was surprised how quickly PSSG had acted on the Saturday to meet Sao Paulo's demands.}
13 Aug 2012 08:45:08
The transfer window has been a strange one this summer not much happening unless your a chelsea fan. Everyone else been realy quiet we been chasing a few players but nothing come of them would love for united to sign lewandoski rather than rvp and a strong defensive midfielder would be nice to see
13 Aug 2012 10:19:40
'There’s no news on van Persie,' he said. 'Our fans want him to stay so you can understand they are excited. Anything I could say about Van Persie would be a lie because he’s our player and that’s it.
'Robin scored 30 goals last season and you want to keep your best players. He was player of the year in England. We want to keep him. I cannot tell you more at the moment because I don’t know more.
'We have not bought the players to replace Van Persie, but to strengthen our squad with the thinking Van Persie will stay. That’s still my mind at the moment.' Wenger
jred
LOL, AW talks bobbins, if that was the case then why did he give Podolski RVP's number.
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Podolski was wering no 9 RVP no10 or am I missing something
I thought I read somewhere that Podolski was given the number 10 shirt? Podolski still hasn't got a squad number according to wiki and the Arsenal website, so obviously he is waiting for the number 10.
Sydney!
Podolski has been training in number 9 and played the friendly in 9. He took Park's number who will b sold. But of course Sydney, there is a chance he might go, so podolski will take it, just common sense. But if rvp stays, he will stick with 9....simple
Podolski wore number 9 yesterday, RVP wore his usual number 10.
Lol do people really think that arsenal would field players in the same numbershirt because one was leaving.
also non of arsenal new signings have been given squad numbers yet
jred
Jred, that's not true though is it? Giroud is number 12.
Cazorla & Podolski are very likely waiting for numbers that are currently taken.
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Syd
ok one of the new signings has been given a number but come on pal did you really think arsenal would of had both podolski and rvp in the same number and that this meant rvp was off?
jred
Jred, I was under the impression Podolski was given the number 10 shirt, but it seems that info was incorrect or a bit hasty. I think he will end up the number 10.
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13 Aug 2012 09:59:36
Have been told that Manchester united have lodged their final faxed offer for RVP this morning. It matches arsenals demands in principle but maybe bot in structure. United have put a deadline for an answer, this may be as early as close of business today. I'd arsenal refuse fergie will change targets
Newbridge red
13 Aug 2012 09:32:22
Well another morning of waiting to hear RVP or Lewandowski have arrived at OT. Another morning that will pass by.
I am going to stick with my guns and say there will be two big deadline day transfers in the shape of RVP and Modric. RVP must leave Arsenal now after this and if Real really have given up on Modric then I can only see Fergie snatching him last minute.
This is how I see the rest of the transfer window. RVP to us (has already been replaced).
Modric to us (Moutinho to Spurs)
Baines to stay at Everton despite one last bid. (leaving us using young cover or Evans until Jan).
City will sign a decent CB too.
1redarmy
We need a LB mate. We only have one senior LB.
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The modric to Real deal is done, just waiting for spurs to get a replacement before its announced. 32m Euro plus add ons.
13 Aug 2012 09:24:31
I was bitterly disappointed when we missed out on hazard but after seeing him play for Belgium against England and in the community shield I'm not sure whether he is that good the only time he stood out yesterday was when he tried to pull a trick at a city player but then fell to the floor
It's his attitude that must be a slight worry for Chelsea. I think he will make and impact in the end, but doubt he will be as important to Chelsea as Drogba was.
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13 Aug 2012 09:20:29
The only thing I'm confused about is all summer long we have been trying to sign van persie but arsenal presumably don't want to sell him for cheap so why don't we just go for Fernando llorente from Bilbao instead he's a quality player and he's cheaper and younger and not injury prone
13 Aug 2012 07:51:22
Am I the only one here who thinks we dnt need RVP. I'm nt saying he is not good enough or watever, I'm jst saying tht bringing him will only lessen the opportunities for Welbeck and Keane. He is no doubt world class but I think we need steel in the midfield. A proper CDM like Cambiasso or Martinez. Nd looking at our defensive injuries this season, I think it'll make more sense to buy a good CDM irrespective of the price tag. If we do get a striker, Lewandowski would be great, bt the question is do we need another striker? I mean Kagawa, Nani and Valencia can score goals too. Infact I would keep Berbatov for another season considering he ws the one who saved our ass when Rooney ws injured. He ws the one who stepped up. Yes he is old, but the guy still has top class finishing..! We need STEEL, not a striker IMO. Would love to know wt you guys feel.
IBleedBlue
13 Aug 2012 07:38:19
How good a prospect does Kagawa look! Now put him in every one of my Dream Teams! This boys a bit special! Has he given a ball away during any of the matches yet? Ianskip
13 Aug 2012 02:06:07
i actually think that fergie was after lewandowski at the cup final match, would much rather him then rvp who is injury prone and 29, also lewandowski would have great chemistry with kagawa
13 Aug 2012 00:02:23
Apparently on a few Newcastle forums United are in for Cheik Tiote. They believe Vurnon Anita is a replacement for him.
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Would love to see him here...
CAIN
M delaney twitter ?
Hope not.
Red Joe
I've got a better idea, instead of signing players from Newcastle how about we just sign the players they are trying to sign? Tiote and Cabaye cost less than 10m now they will cost at least 20m. How much did Ba cost? Or Cisse? And how much would they cost now? If Newcastle believe Vurnon Anita is worth 8m then maybe we should take the gamble and sign him now rather then next summer after a year with Newcastle by which time he'll be worth at least 20m. We need a defensive minded midfielder and Anita can cover both full back positions.
Just a thought.
Shappy
Yes my friend, a Newcastle fan who tweeted Delaney said that Newcastle fans believe Anita is a replacement for Tiote who is wanted by United. Worth a mention, but unsure why it went on the banter page.
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