Manchester United Banter Archive August 13 2015

13 Aug 2015 23:19:52
Well another weeks flown buy, DDG still up in the air, no central defence and no goal threat improved upon. Based on IMO our glaring weakness to attack I'm going for a 1-1 draw with villa. Coming from behind to take a point

13 Aug 2015 23:58:29
That's you and Paul Mersin agreed then :)

14 Aug 2015 00:01:53
You're wife/girlfriend must love your bright vibrant outlook on life, right?

14 Aug 2015 00:16:33
Villa are awful. Maybe those lack of players will hinder us against the better teams but predicting a draw with Villa is pretty damn low.

3-0 easy.

14 Aug 2015 01:55:34
I know a couple of posters who agree with Maze.

14 Aug 2015 07:08:01
The front three of villa have a lot of pace. They will sit back and counter. And we'll have a high line. That could be a problem. I still think we should win though

14 Aug 2015 07:33:28
Maze ,

have yourself , Rollo , JMB , etc etc etc etc got a fantasy football league going for this season ?

14 Aug 2015 07:47:22
AMAZING how you can come back on so soon as if yesterday didn't happen .The addictive nature of this site is amazing ,quite Unreal 😆😆

14 Aug 2015 07:59:07
Haha Danny, talk about credibility being out the window.

14 Aug 2015 08:03:48
I thought 3-0 too, I picked villa as one of my bottom 3 this season.

Lol @danny

14 Aug 2015 08:50:27
To win 3-0, we will need to have at least 3 attempts which we didn't manage against Spurs. Just saying

14 Aug 2015 09:14:42
Have I missed something?

14 Aug 2015 09:43:22
Ask rollo JMB/MAZE.

14 Aug 2015 09:45:41
Or if OG pops up again Tony? I think he may be our most influentials signing this season :)

14 Aug 2015 09:44:11
Strebor thinks 3-0?

Ed - Check his IP !!

14 Aug 2015 16:16:04
3-0 away from home in this league is a rarity and i expect a tight game but believe we have too much quality for them, another scrapping win :)

13 Aug 2015 21:16:57
Edds, people talk about us bidding for Bale, but I'd much prefer Greizmann? He's younger and probably available for half the price? He'd be a top signing and could slot in as striker?

13 Aug 2015 23:12:48
o yer good one! look at bale in wales. World Class when he's the main man!

13 Aug 2015 23:38:24
But no where near as good as Bale , who is also premiership proven. Remember ADM, what he did in Spain and what he did over here. The moneys irellivent , it's not out of your pocket is it. Bale is by far the better option

14 Aug 2015 16:29:06
Griezeman and bale are miles apart IMO. Like most wingers Griezeman is a bit one dimensional and needs space to look good, bale on the other hand can change a game from 30 yard out.

Pointless discussion as he is staying at Madrid and will only move if he has another bad year and the press get on his back.

13 Aug 2015 21:45:23
Ed's, I'm not sure which page this post should go on. But, after going to the supermarket this evening, my son nor iced you could pre-order fifa 16, so as I moved closer I noticed the usual Messi appearance on the front cover and looked to see who else was on it. (Last year I think had hazard) so guess who is on this year's edition . Jordan henderson. My son and I then looked at each other with very puzzled looks. Is this the premier leagues new face of its brand, dear me how on earth did he appear on the front cover with Messi? a lot of faith I had in my fellow man was wiped out in about 10 seconds this evening in aisle 2.

13 Aug 2015 22:05:20
It was a fans vote . he won : ,probably the only thing a scouser will win this year

13 Aug 2015 22:05:34
Wow really! that's like putting katie price on the cover of trivial pursuit

13 Aug 2015 22:07:28
It was decided by vote this time, as in we the people got to vote. It was between Henderson, Courtois, Aguero & Kane if I remember correctly. Unfortunately, Henderson somehow managed to get ahead of Aguero there! He was really promoting it though, and wasn't afraid to vote for himself on a Twitter poll between a few fans either, so fair play lol.

13 Aug 2015 22:09:23
Don't worry Supa , any prestige that the scousers may have felt about that will be quickly wiped out when everyone sees them in the new Nivea advert! Yes , Nivea. How embarrassing :)

13 Aug 2015 22:29:31
Katie is anything but a trivial pursuit. Indeed the next days trip for a penicillin shot is anything but trivial.

13 Aug 2015 22:52:33
Imagine if they've got to do a fifa advert to promote the game. Messi could probably just turn up and naturally do a couple of round the world's and hit busquets ring piece through a car window, and then poor henderson they will have to use the latest cgi technology just to make him run in a straight line and not have 1 football boot sole a little higher than the other.

14 Aug 2015 06:18:48
Hahahahaha supersub that cracked me up 😂

13 Aug 2015 19:54:34
It's all gone quiet on the western front, does anyone have any idea if we are actually going to sign anyone else??

13 Aug 2015 20:02:45
Twitter reports that pedro deal done, Adnan to Sunderland on season long loan.

No idea if it's legit

13 Aug 2015 20:10:07
Net spend tells me yes. Quiet before the storm maybe

13 Aug 2015 20:39:03
The transfer window is a process, we shall see ;)

13 Aug 2015 20:42:56
I think we will see some positive moves if we get a very positive result on Tue. We need to cement our place in the ecl for the money men to open the chequebook and for targets to commit. Nothing factual in that just the feeling I have, IMO we are in a good position to push harder to complete deals once ecl is secured.
There has been little or no noise on any of our previous signings this year I believe deals are being lined up with talks ongoing and if we can build a pretty unassailable lead on Tue the push will be on to complete.

13 Aug 2015 22:07:11
We need to remain philosophical!!

13 Aug 2015 22:30:35
Since it has been about a fortnight since Romero signed it must be about time for Louie van gaal to fall out with him and sign another keeper.

13 Aug 2015 17:43:59
I hope the below has copied correctly: (Banter please ed)

12/13 15/16
David de Gea David de Gea
Anders Lindegaard Anders Lindegaard
Sam Johnstone Sam Johnstone
Rafael Sergio Romero
Patrice Evra Phil Jones
Phil Jones Marcos Rojo
Rio Ferdinand Jonny Evans
Jonny Evans Chris Smalling
Chris Smalling Daley Blind
Nemanja Vidić Luke Shaw
Tyler Blackett Paddy McNair
Alexander Büttner Matteo Darmian
Fábio Tyler Blackett
Antonio Valencia Antonio Valencia
Anderson Memphis Depay
Ryan Giggs Juan Mata
Michael Carrick Andreas Pereira
Nani Adnan Januzaj
Ashley Young Michael Carrick (vc)
Paul Scholes Morgan Schneiderlin
Tom Cleverley B. Schweinsteiger
Darren Fletcher Ander Herrera
Nick Powell Marouane Fellaini
Shinji Kagawa Ashley Young
Adnan Januzaj Jesse Lingard
Bébé Wayne Rooney (c)
Jesse Lingard Javier Hernández
Wilfried Zaha James Wilson
Danny Welbeck
Robin van Persie
Ángelo Henríquez
Federico Macheda
Dimitar Berbatov
Wayne Rooney
Javier Hernández

The squad from Fergies last season to the squad we have now. Now we all know we were left with a ridiculously ageing squad. Arguably we were only left looking strong in our attack. Still unbelievable how he managed to win the title with that squad.

Anyway, we all knew (especially after Moyes) that we were going to go through a transition. The squad poor Moyes was left with had ageing players, injury prone players and youth players which were overly hyped. We are now approaching the end of the third transfer window under LVG (fifth overall). Moyes was not backed in the market at all and both Fellaini and Mata were panic buys but well done to both of them for turning things around. I feel we have done very well. It's a "process" as LVG says and in that process he has gotten rid of a lot of deadwood which isn't easy and has bought in much more quality. Yes Falcao and Di Maria did not work out but sometimes there is not much that can be done. I had high hopes for Di Maria. Oh well.

It is painfully clear to see we are lacking in attack but I am certain this will be addressed come the end of the window. The CB position does seem up in the air and I hope Rojo replaces Blind if we do not sign one. De Gea? Anyones guess right now. I would assume Lloris will be bought if David is sold. Our midfield is a sight to behold from what it was! IF we do address these areas and bring in a CB and an attacking player, we honestly should be winning the league. There is a lot of quality in that squad and a good mix of experience and youth.

I really do hope that the emphasis LVG puts on being so tactically astute does not bite us in the arse. Fergie with this years squad would walk the league and it would not be down to him being a tactical genius but more so him instilling confidence in the amazing talent at his disposal and letting the team go out and play freely. I am intrigued to see who will be signed, who will be leaving and the squad we will be left with come the end of the window. Bring on Villa first though!

13 Aug 2015 19:41:00
Good post.

Even if it didn't copy/paste correctly!

13 Aug 2015 20:01:27
Thanks mate.

Just feel there is a bit too much negativity here. Let's wait till the window closes and have ourselves 4/5 more games to really judge where we are at.

13 Aug 2015 20:14:21
Good post 433 but l have to disagree with Moyes was not backed in the transfer market but good post non the less.

13 Aug 2015 20:56:22
Thanks longsight

When he wanted to get Shaw, Herrera and Fabregas in, I don't believe the board had confidence to back him. I honestly think fellaini was maybe 3/4/5th choice and that is literally all he got until Jan where the board knew they needed to do something and spent 40m on Mata.

13 Aug 2015 21:27:50
Excellent post that.

13 Aug 2015 22:33:12
Cheers HB

13 Aug 2015 16:57:48
Afternoon guys,

Well let's start something new, we have all heard of new years resolutions (it's that thing people say they are going to change but after a month don't)

I want to hear all of your new season posting resolutions :)

Obviously being the perfect person I don't need any but the rest of u :)

Just a bit of fun to get us to Friday :)

(Unless JMB decides to give us some more comedy gold to tie us over.

13 Aug 2015 18:19:45
New season resolution
I promise to stay on the fence just like I always do.
Oh, and keep on partying. :-)

13 Aug 2015 18:25:31
Mine was to post a bit more and get to chatting with people a bit more, but in to lazy to post most of the time

13 Aug 2015 19:42:31
I promise myself not to post during games and embarrass myself by being proved wrong in the second half. Ha.

13 Aug 2015 18:49:55
My resolution it to be more understanding to others and stop taking the pi$$ out of people. I actually felt sorry for JMB ( or Maze , or Rollo. ) today. I think the guy has issue pretending to me more than one person. I would actually like to learn more about his disorder and help him.

I just looked up on line , and there is actually a Schizophrenia Support Group near me. But I'm in 2 minds whether to go or not.

13 Aug 2015 20:20:50
Not to laugh when JMB gets outed yet again .😆😆

13 Aug 2015 20:38:01
I will stop jumping in and supporting Rooney when he is attacked by people who can't see his world class attributes.

13 Aug 2015 21:32:01
Quality betty and bfro.

My resolution is to keep things light-hearted and also to get to one of Herbie's parties 😎

13 Aug 2015 22:05:51
To try on some rose-tinted specs now and again!

14 Aug 2015 01:49:58
HB
Bring wellington boots a tutu and a rubber band (make sure it stretches), it could get messy.

14 Aug 2015 08:02:22
Ok, I'll grab my tutu out of storage later 👍

14 Aug 2015 10:32:30
You are a fierce defender of King Rooney Brendan ;)

13 Aug 2015 16:53:26
fBayern Munich CEO Karl-Heinz Rummenigge

"Muller is not for sale, Our English colleagues seem to be unable to spend all of their money there might be English clubs who try their luck but it is nice to see that money isn't everything - by which I mean Ramos, Muller, De Bruyne. "

13 Aug 2015 17:33:31
The same Ramos who flirted with our interest to get a pay hike?

13 Aug 2015 17:44:31
It really does irk these big foreign clubs that the PL is so rich.

13 Aug 2015 19:16:46
Don't think BM are in any position to call out English clubs, bearing in mind the in-built dominance they enjoy in their league.

13 Aug 2015 19:56:06
The big foreign clubs like Bayern who don't fleece their supporters

13 Aug 2015 19:57:26
He may have been talking about Ramos from Dortmund? He just signed a new deal and Dom BPL class bs were interested apparently.

13 Aug 2015 16:14:14
Let's compare our current strikers with our last season one.
Rooney scored 14 goals last season without much playing in the real Striker position. With strong CM we have now, I reckon he will score 20+ goals now(which I think majority of posters here don't think or don't want IMO)

Van Persie : Super striker but except his 1st super season, he was much like a passenger for next two seasons. He scored 12 goals last season and now we have Hernandez replacing him. People may have forgotten him but I think he is easily 10+ goals a season striker, especially when u need him from the bench. Since Rooney is our captain and 1st choice striker, we will regularly see him coming from bench and with right services he can score as much goals as RVP scored last season. And i do think he will get those services as season goes on.

Falcao: An amazing striker must say but has been completely destroyed by those injuries. As much as I wanted him to succeed, he really was piss poor on most of the games he played. Wilson is his replacement and I am sure he can score more than those 4 goals given the same game time as Falcao last season.

On attackers our spineless ADM scored 4 goals and around 10 assists. So Pedro is looking likely to replace him who is a better goalscorer than that snake. He can probably score around 10 goals and may be similar assists. He can be an update to ADM(considering his last season's form)

In addition to Mata, Herrera who nabbed important goals we have brought a superb talent who has real potential to become a worldie and is a genuine goal scorer. Memphis.

So looking at it, we have more goal scorers than last season and also have more steel and creativity in our midfield. I would be happy if we were to buy another striker but even if we dont, i would surely not write off our chance as a title contender( does not means winner)

People need to stop moaning and look on the right side. Things cannot change with a snap, that is the main reason why rebuilding is called RE-BUILDING.

13 Aug 2015 15:06:14
I have noticed a few people are stating that City, Chelsea and Arsenal are miles in front of us, which I personally find ridiculous, as we were not miles off of them last season and they have (WBA were worst than useless) not set the world alight or added millions of pounds worth of talent to their ranks so far; so I would be interested to hear why we have no chance of competing this season from those who seem so sure this will be the case? what's changed exactly, apart from us adding 5 quality players to the ranks?

13 Aug 2015 15:27:25
Because 'samthered' if people were to believe we could compete then it might run the risk of having nothing to moan about. WHAT ON EARTH THEN?!

13 Aug 2015 15:33:24
On the flip side we also got rid of 3 apparent worldies in RVP Direme i'm a spineless di*k and Falcao BUT saying that I think we look more balanced at the moment and not as far behind as some believe.

13 Aug 2015 15:38:59
we will not be far off them and the difference in the league will be who can avoid howlers against lower teams and in on the road. we were poor on the road last year and if we can fix that it will be very tight all the way.

13 Aug 2015 15:40:25
We only picked up three points last Saturday

13 Aug 2015 15:42:04
Arsenal finished what 5 points ahead of us? We have added 4/5 good players they added a keeper. Now they're miles ahead according to some on here.

I agree its strange logic although I do also think it will be tough for us to finish above City/Arse I just choose not to write us off like many on here enjoy doing.

13 Aug 2015 15:55:51
What is wrong with you sam? Don't u know.Positive posts are not allowed here.

13 Aug 2015 16:00:34
Gav

I don't see it that way and can see us finishing above them. City is an old team and injuries will take their toll. Arsenal is a better team but so are we this year. It will be a floe bunch and Chelsea is not going anywhere either and it will be very tight believe me.

13 Aug 2015 16:39:24
I wouldn't disagree too much Sharham but it will also depend on what transfers are made from now until Sep. Arsenal have consistency and togetherness on their side but they still need a top striker plus cover at DM before I'm too worried about them. City is a tough call - if their experienced spine puts in a good shift they will be strong but as you say the fitness of aguero and form of kompany/yaya are important factors.

13 Aug 2015 16:53:43
Srestha, I know mate. I feel dirty now. :o)

13 Aug 2015 17:49:56
I wouldn't say any of the epl teams are that far in front player wise. In fact I posted the other day saying even if we didn't make another signing this window I'd be pretty happy with the progress personnel wise. A non existent midfield has been massively upgraded, a young future worldie in depay is on board, and a quality rb I'd previously never heard of who looks made for the prem brought in. Add to that shaw who is like a new signing and romero looked steady too. Transfer wise personally I don't think we could of asked for much more

13 Aug 2015 14:09:26
Well if this ends up false and United buy Otamendi, I'll block Skysports from viewing. I know they are wrong about a lot of transfers, but still get some transfers right.
Manchester United will not be signing Valencia defender Nicolas Otamendi, contrary to suggestions in Spain.

A Spanish TV station reported on Thursday that it has seen legal documents confirming that the transfer is about to take place.

But we understand United are not interested – and never have been interested – in signing the Argentina international.

13 Aug 2015 14:25:15
I read a while back that we were just as much interested in Otamendi as we are Gaitan, guess were just going to have to wait and see what happens.

13 Aug 2015 14:26:43
Skybet pulling some strings?

13 Aug 2015 14:45:44
Everyone can see we need the following:

1) To sell De Gea and get a new 1st choice Keeper

2) Buy a new centre back

3) Buy a RW replacement for the 'spineless one'

4) Buy an out-and-out striker

. yet we have not done so & don't look like doing so!

Even if LVG doesn't want to spend £36m on Otamendi there are other top quality and presumably cheaper centre back options out there (Rudiger, Howedes, Toprak). ALL of those 3 would be a MASSIVE improvement on Jones and Evans. How does LVG not see this??

It's shocking that he's brought in 11 players and spent 1/4 billion pounds in the past 12mths and the team still has HUGE gaps to fill!!

13 Aug 2015 14:48:22
Mbd,

As always, bet they have taken loads on him to go to city today, sly spurts news is a joke and the quicker people realise that the better, they know sod all and just use quotes from other people as their own 'sources'.

Lvg just said in his presser that otamendi is another 'process', so much for no interest eh.

13 Aug 2015 15:02:09
Don't want to admit it but it kind of makes sense if we were after him why wasn't he signed a month ago?
Makes you wonder if Giggs has any sort of clue what LVG is up to with his statement that we need to strengthen the spine and all we have done is weaken it. Keeper going, No new CB's, central midfield looked promising and then LVG insisted on playing players out of position and absolutely toothless up front. On paper we will be in a fight with Liverpool for Fourth.

13 Aug 2015 15:16:08
Exactly GDS2, reminds me of how we signed contrao under Moyes

13 Aug 2015 15:33:16
Is it only me that would be ok having Romero as our number 1? i agree DDG is a class above but for my money there is him, Neuer and Courtois at that level then quite a few at the level under is Romero really such a bad option?

13 Aug 2015 15:41:06
Don't agree with selling De Gea unless the money is close to his valuation.
So his heads not right! I guarantee come the 1st September if he is still a Man Utd player his head will be right. If he runs down his contract he needs to be in tip top condition to get the best deal elsewhere and to make the Spanish squad for the Euros next summer.
One more good season out of him could be worth a lot of money in terms of CL and PL progression.

We all loved Hernandez not so long ago and he offers something different to Rooney, as does Fellaini so unless a top striker is available and willing to join Utd then why should we buy anyone!

Ideally we need a CB but the options have to be better than what we currently have and a number are not proven or definitely going to make it in the PL.

Some people are criticising LVG for the amount he has spent but then at the same time saying money is no object and spend silly money on a CB and CF.
We can't have it everyway.

Major surgery was needed on the Utd squad when SAF retired and for me that was always going to take several seasons.
Most of the deadwood has now gone and although not perfect things are moving in the right direction.
We have to show class and have some patience.
We are different than the rest!

13 Aug 2015 14:05:14
Why on earth are we 'not interested ' in otimendi who was one of the best players in la liga last year. We desperately need a center back, EVERYONE knows that and we are not interested in a centre back who is better than everyone we currently have! It makes no sense

13 Aug 2015 16:19:21
What do 2 people disagree about here? U think our cb's are better than otimendi?

13 Aug 2015 18:41:44
I think it's the comment EVERYONE knows we are not interested in a centre back who is better than anyone we have. That is just not true. Ed 001 confirmed we are after Otamendi, there have been discussions and payment seems to be the issue. So we are interested.

Man utd have been extremely cagey about transfer targets and transfer business in general. Let's just wait and see what happens at the end of the window.

13 Aug 2015 20:55:04
So angelred you actually think otimendi will be a united player this season?

13 Aug 2015 13:39:49
I don't want this to be a negative post but can anybody see us having a realistic title challenge with this current squad? I like Blind as a player but we are asking for trouble if he is continually played at cb purely down to his height and lack of pace i don't care how intelligent he is with his positioning he will always lose out in a foot race or challenging a big lump for a header.

13 Aug 2015 13:53:45
I don't see why not. As long as we beat the teams who we should be beating and take points off our rivals, then why not? We won league titles with worse squads; and I personally think we have a strong squad now - even if we are lacking firepower in the forward areas; but that doesn't mean someone won't come good and will be able to fill the void so to speak.

13 Aug 2015 13:58:04
I think we will challenge and putting my neck on the line to say we will win the league this season. We showed last season that the top teams found it difficult to beat us, we will have learnt from the poor results against leicester etc and although we have more games, we have a fairly decent sized squad so players will be getting more game time across the board and this will keep some sharpness there and also a healthy bit of competition to keep players focused. We may not win it in the fashion and style some people want but if we win the league, people will forget about performances.

13 Aug 2015 14:11:25
Not a cat's chance in hell I'm afraid. City, Chelsea and Arsenal have all got superior teams to ours. We are lacking three top players and it is not looking like we're getting any of them. We need the striker to play in this system and we don't seem to have any inclination at getting one.
We need a top winger, Reus or Griezman and again we are not going for either. Lastly, we have needed a top CB for two years and we have messed around.

13 Aug 2015 14:12:24
With this current squad for us to win the league teams like City and Chelsea would have to have a poor season, I just can't see both those teams doing that this year, City are strong favourites at the moment and they may even strengthen yet, Chelsea are not as strong as last year and rely so heavily on Hazard and Arsenal will do an Arsenal

13 Aug 2015 14:36:34
I have to agree i just can't see us challenging i think we might get a bit closer but i can't see us getting top 2 our tactics and personnel haven't changed enough against teams that just sit back Mephis needs to play on the wing i can understand not dropping Young because like him or not he does actually warrant his place in the team at present but we could play him on the right and Mephis on the left with either Mata,Herrera,Adnan or Perrera in the middle it is like other people have said you can buy the best players in the world but if you don't play them in the position that they have made themselves the best at what is the point. We have signed some quality additions and addressed the midfield that had so long been a problem but unless we sign a cb and play players in their correct positions then nothing will change.

13 Aug 2015 15:00:16
squad wise, yes i think it's more than capable of challenging for the title.

we have a great squad starting to take shape (not quite finished i know) with a good mixture of youth and experience.

my concern is tactically we'll struggle to score enough goals due to lack of chances created against a side not willing to be pulled out of shape and just parking the bus.

13 Aug 2015 13:00:35
What's everyone's thoughts on Adnan Januzaj this season? He had that tremendous breakout season under Moyes and was used sparingly last campaign under LVG, one good and one bad I suppose some may say.

Would it then be fair to assume that this season is a make or break for Januzaj in some ways as he will either reignite that spark we seen during the Moyes era or drift more towards the fringes of the squad. I suppose the big question is will LVG use him and if so will he believe in his ability?

I keep seeing that LVG has this past record for developing young players but in my opinion Adnan Januzaj is the most talented young player in our squad yet he has regressed under LVGs tutelage. I am hoping for big things from Januzaj this coming season with the amount of games we have to play and I will be annoyed if the manager denies him the opportunity. Our team lacks pace, Januzaj - touted as the next big thing 13months ago - has it in abundance.

13 Aug 2015 13:30:54
To be faor to him he has two different managers with two different ways of working, training, playing. It is hard for more senior players so it must be even harder for a younger player. He obviously has potential and giving him the 11 shirt says a lot. I think they need to decide what position suite him best and play him in league cup games and bring him on as a sub as much as possible to let him prove if he has what it takes. I'm more excited about Perreira, he looks a great player and i think if he is not loaned out this season then he won't be at all because they know he can start breaking into the team. I personally would loan him out and give him a chance to play regular. Look what Schneider has said about playing in lower leagues and becoming stronger, physically and mentally

13 Aug 2015 13:34:56
JMB? Sorry i just love saying that, and your reactions pretty good as well.

In all honesty i don't think he'll make it here at United. And that will be our loss. He's a great player, very technical and skillful, but not physically built for the premier league. You have to look at players to liken him to. For example:

Sanchez
Hazard
Oscar
Silva
Sterling
Ozil

These are all players he should be aspiring to be. The play Wing/No.10 for their clubs and he is the worst out of all of them.

Granted other than Sterling he maybe the youngest (i don't know ages exactly) but what all those players have, that Januzaj doesn't, is that little bit of strength. That little bit that let's your barge past someone if your particular skill hasn't worked, and still keep the ball. That little bit of strength that allows you win win a 50/50 and they get your head up and do what you do best.

I love Januzaj, and i really want him to succeed, but, it's all down to him now. If he does a Ronaldo and stays after training in the gym every day, then he will make it. If he does the bare minimum to get by, he wont.

Good signs so far though as him and Lukey Shaw went to Dubai before pre-season to get some fitness in with our fitness coach.

13 Aug 2015 13:59:18
I'd have him or Pereira on the right over Mata.

13 Aug 2015 14:02:32
Last season I felt Januzaj tried to hard to impress by taking shots on he shouldn't of, trying to take on 1 to many players and not crossing or releasing the ball quick enough. He clearly has the talent and ability, he just needs better game understanding and to simplify things a bit. Maybe a loan in January if things aren't working out for him before then.

13 Aug 2015 14:03:01
He seems a little effeminate to me, ready to have s tantrum at any time it doesn't go his way. He doesn't seem to want it enough, his body language is all wrong. Ever since all that "which nation will he pick" malarkey he has just drifted.

Hopefully he proves me wrong, but when given opportunities last season you could have switched his shirt with ADM's and you wouldn't have known.

He needs a run of games with an attacking team, he actually looked good up top against Barcelona recently - had some confidence and looked better than Rooney had. Jury is out, he had a lot to do though.

13 Aug 2015 14:03:18
Maze,

Do not fret my friend I was also 'suspected' of being JMB by some posters on this site for reasons still unknown to me. It seems a little funny when you consider he was apparently the scourge of this page some people can't help but constantly mention him.

I would tend to agree with you about Januzaj but I also think like Harry he won't fulfil his potential here but may grow into a fantastic player elsewhere like the way Kevin de Bruyne has done.

{Ed001's Note - funny you have the same IP as MAZE.....

Right I am going to give you a final warning - we do not allow multiple accounts, delete all the rest and stop trying to back up your own posts using multiple accounts of your own or you will be permanently blocked from posting.}

13 Aug 2015 14:23:01
He could play up front or behind Wilson for some cup games with Pereira in and around them both, similar to how we played against Barca.

13 Aug 2015 14:47:06
Jmb ,

You say above that Januzaj has an abundance of pace , actually the one thing he's lacking is really serious pace . You on the other hand seem to have an abundance of accounts

13 Aug 2015 14:50:13
Rollo ver and i'll tickle your tummy for you Maze. JMB or whoever.
Ed, whoever it is they may have dissociative identity disorder, its apparently common these days.

13 Aug 2015 14:53:13
Rollo / maze / JMB,

I am so glad that the ed has sorted that one out, can you not just be normal, the rest of us manage it, creating multiple users to agree with your own posts is one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen. Not sure why the eds have even allowed you back after the abuse you gave ed002.

{Ed001's Note - well we like to give people a chance to show they have learnt their lesson. Sometimes we have bad days and say the wrong things that we wished we hadn't. But this is getting to be a habit now, this is the second time he has made multiple accounts to post comments to agree with himself. You only get so many chances in life.}

13 Aug 2015 15:06:25
lmao !!! who comes on a banter site to argue with themselves hahahaha

13 Aug 2015 15:24:16
Well that's embarrassing for rollo/maze/jmb! Perhaps he's not getting enough attention at home.

My thoughts on Januzaj are - he is young and very talented, we should be patient and encourage not write the kid off! Its too early even to judge as kids will always be inconsistent and he's had difficult conditions the last 2 years.

Jmb - he doesn't have an abundance of pace actually, its the one thing he's missing.

Harry - Ozil has strength in what dimension?

13 Aug 2015 15:33:43
MAZE - JMB - Rollo = LvG?

Got my tin foil hat on today :)

13 Aug 2015 15:46:45
Isn't there a phone box in Oz you could go argue in? 😅

13 Aug 2015 16:11:49
Oh God how embarrassing must feel like being caught firing one of the wrist by your mom 😳😳😳

13 Aug 2015 16:24:41
Haha this is amazing!!!

The internet has been around for over 20 years and still people can't get there heads around ip addresses and such.

JMB, give it up pal, u have been rumbled more than once now.

I find it very funny how people can find out who u are after just one post!

Your ruining this page for the posters that actually take enjoyment posting here!

Leave now!

Ed how are the wedding plans going mate? Have u made sure it's an out of season wedding or at the very least when Liverpool are playing spurs? :)

{Ed001's Note - June it will be mate. Have you not got your invite yet??}

13 Aug 2015 16:50:21
I'm trying to tie it in with my bday pal :)

I would say I hope the weather is good for u but since u live in one of the hottest places ever I won't bother lol.

Have u had a say yet? Just let them sort it lol

{Ed001's Note - it will be in the Philippines mate, can't get married here as the UK govt will not recognise non-Muslim marriages which are performed in a Muslim country. It can't be the UK as you both have to have lived there X amount of days and she has never lived in the UK. So no idea what the weather is like there in June, as I have never been there.

A say? The only words I get to say are 'yes love' or 'whatever is best for you darling' or other words to that effect. Even then you have to be careful to sound sincere and not like you are being sarcastic......}

13 Aug 2015 18:24:45
Very humid ed that time of year I believe.

Well at least u had your biggest say, out of football season mate.

I wish u and your unfortunate partner :p all the best mate.

Top guy u are. 👍

13 Aug 2015 11:52:00
Just watching second leg highlights of 2008/09 Champions League semi final against Arsenal. We are a million miles away from that team. Really solid defence then and we attacked with such pace.

13 Aug 2015 12:23:22
One of my fav games that one together with 3-5 at Spurs and Big Ron's Barca Win (showing my age) 😆😆

13 Aug 2015 14:16:45
Totally agree Gabriella. We are a shadow of that team. But the fault is not all of Moyes and LVG, Fergie let the team slide and handed an aging team with hardly any future in it and now, the manager and the club are trying to re-build, it could take another 3 years before we can aspire to be top dogs again.

13 Aug 2015 14:38:16
Schmid

Agree on that

13 Aug 2015 15:30:41
Agree with that also, Schmid. Saf, Moyes, lvG and Woody all need to shoulder part of the blame for where we are now.

13 Aug 2015 10:40:40
Just a quick post to touch on something I've noticed with some posters on here.

I see people crying out about the style of play and backing it up by saying its not the utd way. But then go on to say we should be buying x y and z of top stars. Buying these top stars ie bale lewy etc isn't the utd way either, yet you're happy for them to change one aspect but not another? Seems to me people want their way and not the utd way as much as they preach about the latter. I would have loved to have seen this page when Scholes and co were thrown into the mix, it would be pandemonium

13 Aug 2015 11:39:08
This page after the 3-1 loss to Villa on the opening day of 1995/6 after Fergie had sold Ince, Kanchelskis and Hughes and and put in Butt, Beckham and Scholes to replace them would have been priceless.

13 Aug 2015 11:41:27
I mention the "Utd Way" fairly often, to me it is the attitude/approach to games. The major blame for me is attributed to the managers philosophy not being the "Utd Way". I am confident that we would see similar overall performances if we had the best 11 footballers in the world for their respective positions. So I do not think we can buy our way out of this, it has to change with the man at the top.

That is why any major purchase has an initial excitement for me, then I remember who is going to be managing that player and my momentary high turns to deflation as I believe they will not be used correctly and the pattern/pace of our game will not change.

Sorry to be a downer, but buying world superstars won't change much at all, it is buying players for his system that matters and I don't even think he knows who they are most of the time to be honest.

13 Aug 2015 11:52:14
United have always bought somebody in would improve the first team, cantona, Keane, rio, RVN, veron, Rooney, Ronaldo, RVP, I've prob missed more, and added to that have had the right players not necessarily world class but who epitomise what United are about, solskjaer, johnsen etc. and have always tried to bring youth through. I have been brought up on 442, trying to play exciting football.
Scholes, beckham, Neville, Giggs this collective unit coming thru will never happen again, and worse still the modern day football is all about money wether we like it or not so for me I want us to succeed the United way but does that mean £100m Gareth Bale isn't a united player, does that mean lewondoeski can't have the same effect as RVN no so I want the best players who are of an exciting brand of football to succeed at United. Doesn't mean I'm sacrificing any aspect for the other.

13 Aug 2015 12:21:40
welsh
but where do you stop
we bought depay not bale
we bought RVN not the fat ronaldo.
there is always someone better.
we have spent close to 300 mill in 12 month how much more

13 Aug 2015 12:28:18
We had the highest transfer spends, consistently broke transfer records, and had the highest wage bill in the league throughout the 90s.

The United way was to sign the best players and to win. It's only since the Glazers took over that we started this revisionism about 'making' stars not buying them. The teams that spend the money in the best way to build the best squads will win the biggest trophies 9 times out of 10. The owners seemed to realise this last summer, but this summer it remains to be seen.

13 Aug 2015 12:50:08
We simply don't stop, we will never have class of '92 again, we live in an age where money and instant success rules , I don't like it anymore than anyone else but clubs don't have the time to nurture potential anymore. We will buy players who will help us win, I think the question is more about the style we are playing atm and if bale and Lew came in would it improve our football or not? We either embrace this possession football or we want exciting 442 football again and then that means another managerial change, in 2 years time there will be a new manager anyway so instant success is what LVG wants, wether he can achieve it is another story with this brand of football, 'philosophy' .

13 Aug 2015 13:16:06
welsh
if messi and ronaldo come in it will improve us .
lew and bale are top players but they are at top teams , what if we can't sign them.
bale agent has said we bid 100m twice.

real want augero but they won't get him.

13 Aug 2015 13:17:16
I remember Gary Neville and others say Moyes would be given time because United were a different kind of club who gave managers time , it was the United way .
All the stuff about us not buying ready made superstars biut making them instead was purely financial and nothing to do with any romantic 'United way ' .

I used to think it was just Liverpool fans who constantly lived in the past , dreaming about the way things used to be and wanting Kenny back and then Rafa back so it could be like 2005 again and now we're almost as bad

13 Aug 2015 13:32:00
SAF had no problem buying Pallister, Ince, Webb or later Keane, Cole or RvN. They became superstars because we were winning titles and playing in the revamped Champs League . We gave them the stage at a time when football came out of the shadow of hooligans and into the new money era where they were TV personalities as well as footballers. SAF had no problem breaking records on signings

13 Aug 2015 13:53:43
like the 60 mil on di maria .
the 30 mil on depay ,herrera , shaw, schnierdlin.
you would think we don't spend cash.

should also say fergy missed out on a lot of big names.

13 Aug 2015 14:06:35
I'm not saying we will sign these players but should be the calibre we look to sign. We have always bought when needed and tried to being youth through, it's not possible in this day and age because of instant success to wait for youth only try to integrate them. So we will carry on buying to stay in contention, we have to or we will fall away for good.

13 Aug 2015 15:12:11
What about when we bought vidic evra solksjaer ronaldo just to name a few even cantona was mainly used as a sub for leeds. The highest profile player fergie bought was probably veron, and i wouldn't even put him in the top bracket at his time.

13 Aug 2015 09:18:14
Interesting views yesterday that Otemandi and Pedro are close to coming (we have had this before so wary of it). If this is the case I think.it leaves the squad well balanced and in a good place. It also positions us, with a few weeks left to maybe concentrate on either the striker Lvg wants or That big name. even if it goes to the last day we do not have to panic as we have done our main business.

13 Aug 2015 01:33:20
Hi Ed's could you tell me please how much our net spend is so far? As in players sold and players bought, the balance??

{Ed001's Note - net spend? Really? It is best not to get into it as there are so many extra costs that are impossible to track until the accounts come it, even then a lot of the costs of transfers are hidden. The prices given out in the media are never right, that is even without taking into account that, when a player is sold, you have to pay up his contract, which usually amounts to millions on its own these days. Plus a player, unless they request a transfer, is entitled to 5% of the transfer fee. Then there is the 5% that now goes to clubs who produced them as a youth player. Plus there are signing on fees and agent fees, solicitor fees and sundry other fees. There is no way of giving an accurate amount, even the club's accounts dept would struggle to give you an accurate figure now.}

13 Aug 2015 07:33:44
So we would have paid up ADM contract to him before he left??

{Ed001's Note - unless some agreement was reached on the amount to be paid, but usually it is the entirety of the contract, yes. For instance, when Joe Cole left Liverpool to join West Ham United, Liverpool agreed to waive a fee to help the move go through and thought that Cole would also be willing to give up the money owing in his contract. In the end he refused to budge and it cost Liverpool £3m to pay up the final year of his contract to get rid of him. This is part of the reason why a longer contract makes a player so much more expensive to sign.}

13 Aug 2015 09:14:03
i really don't understand peoples obsession with what the club spends on a player. it's not my money, i couldn't care less if we over pay, if we need the type of said player pay it and get um in

13 Aug 2015 10:50:31
Strebor - That's just short-term thinking mate. If we overspend now it hampers what happens in the future, (less money to spend, players overpriced, existing players overvalued by us, overpaid by us, wrong players attracted (ADM)). It may not be our money but how we spend money has bigger ramifications for how much and how we spend money in the future.