Manchester United Banter Archive December 13 2012

 

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13 Dec 2012 23:13:41
Read somewhere else on here, some Sunderland fan proclaiming something along the lines of, 'is it any wonder everyone hates you', in response to a post looking for a big win this weekend.

It's quite simple - you made your bed when you bunch of sadsacks showed your small-club mentality by hitching onto City's coat-tails, and now you can lie in it.

You are hopefully about to discover that every action has a consequence.....

StevieK

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Whatever ! Win, lose or draw, I can confirm we will still hate you ! M1

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Bummer

Mick

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13 Dec 2012 21:26:46
Percy, PLEASE. A serious question!
What in the world is it about Nani that you can't get enough of? Why? Why do you literally LOVE him. Are you his son? Did he do something when he was young and not realise the consequence (you)? What is it?

Legit question. What is it about him that you just can't seem to let go of, even on his bad days you sing his praises. Seriously everyone has a favorite but you're attached to Nani as if your umbilical cord was cut off him. Whats up?

Thanks!

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1. Look up the definition of literally.

2. He's the only player on our team who's so explosive.

3. He plays beautiful football.

4. I have never praised a poor performance by him, or any other United player.

Percy

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Percy its a pointless battle mate. I'm not specifically talking about this particular OP but a good majority of the people jumping on your back are only seeing a bandwagon to pile onto. This post can get all the disagrees it likes but we've all seen it happen in football grounds and pubs across the country, people go with the crowd without forming a balanced opinion.

TK-Red

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For F**k sake! Don't any of you get it? Percy likes Nani as a player, big deal!

Why do we see so many anonymous posts singling people out on this page? Leave a god damn name please so we know who your haters are.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you can't change Percy's, now can we stop arguing over Nani's ability.

We have more important things to worry about, like the Sunderland game! How many goals should we score to punish their fans?

-JakeW

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Band wagons are a curse.

12 should hit the spot just right for me.

Percy

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But there are lots of people hitting the disagree button - obviously he must be wrong then, and everyone else is right...isn't that how it works on here?.....

StevieK

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That's kind of my point StevieK. Too many people go with the crowd so that people will "agree" with them as opposed to forming their own opinions and standing by them. Its a bit like people who put FB statuses that they think will hoard 'likes'. I mean, who cares? Though I fear I'm going off on a tangent.

TK-Red

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Or the same people just hit their favoured button over and over again. It's hardly a scientific process :)

StevieK

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Ha...I know. I can just picture the logic..."5 agrees! That'll show them"

TK-Red

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Yeah I just hit the 'agree' button because I just feel compelled to! Wtf! Give poster's at leat a little credit

Gav

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13 Dec 2012 21:25:42
When will you people learn? On this site there two absolutes.
1: Percy loves Nani no matter what
2: I AM KLOOT dislikes Rooney no matter what
You can't change that. It will be like making Saturday a Monday!
PeeBoaiy

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I like Mondays it means no work

Ross

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13 Dec 2012 21:05:34
i know anderson was comfirmed injured on a website for 2-3 weeks , is there any proper comfirmation that he could be out upto 8 weeks and his injury is worst than first thought!!

Also our january signing will be strootman and depending on nani,maybe munian.

Big v

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13 Dec 2012 20:26:20
Please help me. I cannot understand why so many people on this forum still appear to have doubts about Tom Cleverley. My opinion as stated before is that he is supremely talented and has all the right attributes to slot into the midfield to compliment the style we should be playing, ie fast paced, pass and move possession football. He is very technical and has a great brain to spot the best option.
Let us not forget his contribution during the games last season versus Arsenal, Tottenham and Chelsea (before he got injured) when we destoyed them with amazing football. Not to mention the derby just gone. The games he has figured in always seem to generate the better performances.
Perhaps my reality is different to everyone else's but I'd still be interested to hear if anyone agrees or not.
PerthDave

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I do like Cleverly and think there is a chance he could step up to play in the 1st team regularly. But I'm more expecting him to end up as a useful squad player. He is neat and tidy but lacks composure ATM in attack and is not the greatest defender. Still, he does have time to improve. IMO though, SAF has earmarked this season as the one to judge Cleverly on before deciding on what we need in CM (would have been last season like Welbeck but he got injured).

Gav

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I just don't pay attention to people who call him average. Currently he's probably our best midfielder along with Anderson. He's a tireless worker, passes well, doesn't lose possession, he also does not stop pressurizing the opposition!

Percy

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Cleverley still has some way to go before he has convinced me that he is the answer to our midfield, but he hasn't done anything wrong as yet and that is why he needs time and patience from the fans. If he doesn't make it then so be it, but he should get a fair crack at the whip.

My only criticism of Cleverley is that I think he should stop being too careful and go forward more. That will come with time and the more appearances he gets, the better he will get, but he is still some way from making that midfield his own yet.

Sydney!

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Cleverley has got to 23 and is still yet to impose himself on our midfield. When he plays like he did last Sunday, with energy and facing forward he has potential but all too often he takes a simple easy option and passes five yards sideways or backwards. It holds him back.
There is a high standard needed to compete in our midfield if we truly want to win leagues and European cups and I have yet to see quite enough in Tom to convince me he is the answer to our midfield in the long term. He falls between the types of player in midfield that we need neither wildly creative or powerful. Still there is time but the standard is very high and there is still some like me yet to be convinced and I suspect the manager is at that point as well.

Red Man

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One thing I have noticed about Cleverley of late is his technique. Every shot, every pass he seems to want to wrap his foot around the ball and whip it. I'm not saying that is a terrible thing but it means that, when he finds himself in certain positions, he struggles to find the pass to get out of it.

TK-Red

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Percy

I am starting to understand why you like Nani because Anderson and Cleverly are not our best midfielders but can offer flashes of brilliance and I think you rate players on this basis, however Carrick is our best midfielder because he does a lot of simple things very well that other don't, including reading the game and making intelligent choices on the pitch.

Shahram

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13 Dec 2012 20:07:11
Love this site but the Nani debate could send a glass eye to sleep.....

It's quite obvious the club have tried to flog him numerous times. He's mercurial at best & I'll always agree with those that say he frustrates like no other player in my time as a Red Devil supporter.

My preference? Goetze/Rodriguez, but I'd love to see Mats Daehli given a shot. The 7-1 drubbing of Newc he was immense, Iniesta like - barely have the ball away, very intelligent player. His decision making ( albeit u18 level ) far exceeds Nani.

Throw him in the mix Sir Alex!

Moog

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In all honesty I wouldnt mind seeing Daehli on the bench as Young's cover.... I would like tos ee him against better defenders and I think he could get a lot out of it.

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13 Dec 2012 19:38:18
I can't believe people are talking about Walcott as a signing.

Its most likely all agent BS as he's in negotiations and struggling to get his way.

What better way to get Arsenal to cave in than to link his client to a move elsewhere. especially to a league rival (well they were once) where the fan's are still p'd off at the RvP transfer?

Smells like the Sterling rubbish last week.

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13 Dec 2012 19:22:12
Moen, I think a certain Mr Shearer might disagree with you.

StevieK

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13 Dec 2012 17:56:28
Just looking through the archives. It's interesting how easily people forget and how easily people's opinions are changed. Throughout the first half of last season people were laughing at the thought of the "spectacular" Nani being sold. Also laughing at the thought of Valencia starting ahead of Nani or Young. Some even calling for the "out of favour" Valencia to be sold.

Then came the new year and it was Young's turn for the band wagon attack! Young's head being called for after every game he played. Average, slow, weak, scrawny. Just a few descriptions.

And as Nani got injured, it was his turn. He's so inconsistent, he's been average for four years, he's had his chances, he's a diver. Shappy, Moon (Where's he disappeared to), Sydney, Red Man, all the regulars who now have taken a disliking to him, all agreed on his quality at first, would you believe?

Personally I don't subscribe to this brand of mob mentality. You see, I have this thing called a memory, and a brain, meaning I can actually think for myself. But what strikes me most is the most frequent Ed on this banter site (Ed004) was singing Nani's praise and talking about how Valencia doesn't deserve a start, as he'd done "absolutely nothing" to merit it. Now he's saying if he played for another team there's no chance we'd have an interest.

This Nani hating is a phase, which will last to his next run of good form, which might be for a new team. If it is for a new team, we'll have lots of people talking about how they always knew how brilliant he was and how AF made an enormous mistake. Well guess what, the proof is in the archives. Because of that, I'll always know a band wagon when I see one, and this is a classic case. Incidentally, I'm not claiming he's not going to be sold.

Percy {Ed004's Note - I don't remember ever saying Utd would not be interested in him if he was at another club. I will admit I rated him highly back then, however, football has changed tactically since then. When you lost possession it wasn't as bad as you would get it back quickly. Now a days teams hold onto possession a hell of a lot better so you have to keep hold of it better. Teams are now better defensively and wingers tend to be shut out of the game sometimes so now you need players who are better on the ball. Something Nani doesn't do. He is consistently giving the ball away when we should be attempting to keep the ball. Secondly his form since then has been shocking. I really liked him for a time and maybe I was wearing red tinted classes when I saw him play as Ed1 regular pointed out his flaws at the time and I chose to ignore them. I have never doubted Nani's potential but he hasn't fulfilled it and others like myself are sick of worrying which Nani will turn out. Also as you have seen from my post that you analyse so closely I very rarely have Valencia in my hopefully teams. I alwàys prefer someone like Götze or Rodriguez because they are very good on the ball and can open up teams defence and are more consistent and both have huge potential. However in saying that I don't mention Valencia in my teams doesn't mean I don't think he could not offer something to the team I think him and Young could offer something against certain teams}

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I guess changing opinions too fast is human nature...

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We're talking about 1 year ago. Football is more or less the same now as it was then. Nani plays the type of football we're aiming for, as does Gotze, as does Muniain. In an ideal world I'd like to see.

__________De Gea
Rafael_Smalling_Evans_Coentrao
_____Anderson_Clevereley
_____Nani_Rooney_Kagawa
____________RVP

We'd be utterly deadly with just one more signing, although maybe we should look at Muniain for if Rooney does leave (I doubt it) and defensively good midfielder for when Anderson inevitably gets injured.

Percy {Ed004's Note - Yet you still have the problem of Nani offering virtually nothing defensively and being inconsistent in every game}

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Talk about re-opening a can of worms, lol

For me the change in attitude towards Nani is obvious and TBH my opinion has changed in the same way over time. Some point last season (can't remember exactly when) was the turning point for me.

We all loved Nani because his form in 6 months of the 2010/2011 season was immense and he helped us win the league in a big way. He has always had great pace and been tricky, but during that 6 months everything he did came off; skills, beating players, crosses reaching targets and shots hitting the back of the net.

But the truth is since then, these things haven't been coming off. His form has been mixed at best for ages and quite often has been plain poor. His decision making is no better than when he first arrived and that was always his problem. Whereas I was hoping this would just click for him I know realise it's something he can't really help. And where I used to think he was just going through bad form I know realise his form in that 6 months of the 2010/2011 season was probably 'out of the ordinary' for him. I can't remember Nani putting in 3 good performances in a row for us for ages

Add to that the issue with his contract and I just think it's time he moved on

I agree with you in as much as Nani could flourish at another team but I won't be jealous as he's had plenty of chancs to show that he can do it for us. I think he would do well in Italy or somewhere like that but I think it's the end of the road for Nani at United.

To sum up I know Nani is capable of greatness when 'everything comes off' for him. The difference between your view and mine is that over time I have come to think that his top form back then was 'out of the norm' whereas you believe that his poor form (over the last 12+ months IMO) is 'out of the norm' for Nani.

Gav

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YAWN!!!
the reason every1 had different opinions back then was because he WAS showing signs on gaining some consistency but it never materialised AGAIN!!.
I admire your percy-verance (see wot i did there? :) )with him but cant u understand why every1 is finally had enough?
we get it! he is your hero, we get it percy! but he aint mine,or any1 else's and we could all well do with out u continually shoving your veiws down every1s throat, and more importantly the boss doesn't see a future for him at utd and ill take his opinion over yours every day of the week.
Are you sure your just not trying to convince yourself about him? if he leaves, he leaves, hes not needed and i promise you, where ever he goes you will still see him play and can just continue your little man crush with him at another club.
But god how boring are making this debate, u keep regurgitating the same ball over and over again. i think i speak for everyone on here when i say we really wanted him to make it but he never will at our club and it's time to finally MOVE ON! hes not a boy any more.
Maybe he will make it one day and if he does of course we will regret selling him but the same can be said for many other players that have tried and failed at utd like Chadwick,thornley, casper, blake etc. but i tell u one thing if he does make it else where, i wish him all the best and will remember wot he did give us (not that much mind u).
Chris the REDman
p.s i think im going to start signing off CTR now as i notice there is another redman on here

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Yaaaawn. The Nani is defensively rubbishe is old and untrue. However if he didn't have as much defensive work to get through, he'd be a much more effective attacker!

Percy

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13 Dec 2012 19:03:27
Percy mate I don't dislike Nani, I like him and wanted him to succeed. Me and Nani were born on the same day(17/11/86). And yet he has had chance and chance and chance again to prove he can become the player his talents threaten him to be. And yet here we are still debating whether he'll become a great player, he's 26 now and has had ample chances to step up to the mark, and all he's proved is that he can be great on his day but far too innconsistant to truely reach the levels his talents should carry him to.

Its a shame, I would have loved for it to have worked out for him, he seems to genuinly love the club but many have loved the club and it still didn't stop them heading out the door.

As for your point about there always being a scape goat, this is true. Ask Evra Evans Rafael Rio Carrick Young Anderson and even Rooney. They've all had their nigh sayers after a poor performance or two and all have come back with strong performances. I do believe we are too quick to jump on a players back and deem them not good enough for United. I don't agree with this unfair critisim, but you'll never stop it.

We know your stance on Nani, and it seems your on your own for the most part. It does look like he is on his way out of the club. If/when he leaves I wish him every success in his future career. I have no bad feeling towards a player who always did his best for the club and a player who had the talents to be a success but for one reason or another it just hasn't worked out.

Shappy

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"This Nani hating is a phase, which will last to his next run of good form, which might be......."

Says it all really.

Devil Dust.

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Get Nani out of your pants Percy..... He is utter dross. {Ed004's Note - I can understand Percy's argument. Nani is a very good player on form and on his day wins games on his own but he doesn't do it consistently enough}

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Ed004 would you not agree that had Nani had a more solid team playing behind him then consistency would not be as much of a problem? If our defence and midfield were solid then Nani could concentrate on playing his own game, which is when he plays best.

TK-Red {Ed004's Note - I don't see why it should affect Nani. Top class players adapt so they can play with the players around them.}

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But that's the thing really, give him a run of games and he's essentially our best player. Look at the start of last season when given a run with like minded players, then picked up an injury. Look a the season before that where he was given a run up until his injury. It might seem like a bold statement, but he isn't AS inconsistent or rubbish as people on here as people would like to think. I'm resigned to the fact that he'll probably be off in the Summer if not January, but he definitely shouldn't be (based on football).

Percy

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I'm with Ed4 there I do honestly see your argument, Percy. Theres no doubt he is unplayable on his day, nobody denies that on here. The problem is he's never showed he can give us that consistently and unfortunately due to the timing of his contract we cannot afford to give him another season to see if he can deliver.

I, like many above was desperate for Nani to make it. He was one of my favourites along with Ando when they arrived. So much flair. It's just been so, so long since he's showed us consistency. And consistency is vital at United IMO. Just look at why Carrick is the first name on the team sheet.

Gav

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I think people are going well over the top with the Nani slating. Yes Nani is frustrating and yes he has been poor for the past year, but he is not dross. He has immense ability, what he lacks is a good footballing brain. Red Man has been saying this for sometime and he is absolutely right. If Nani had five years left on his current deal he would sell for £30m. £30m players are not dross, however he has run his course at Manchester United and the boss has wanted a change for a couple of years now. To be fair to Nani he would have been well aware of the club trying to offload him so it's hardly surprising he hasn't been able to regain his form from 2011.

Sydney!

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Good point TK, if Nani didn't have to get back and help Evra out and could stay forward like Ronaldo did he would be a far more effective player.

Sydney!

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Sydney,

All good wingers have a defensive minded side, maybe Evra wouldn't look so bad if he wasn't as exposed by Nani's lack of defending all the time?! Just another side of the argument!

Ports

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For a few weeks I have read Percy's increasingly desperate attempts to persuade anyone that Nani is in fact the greatest winger in the world and refrained from commenting. However as the January window approaches his arguments become more and more frantic. It won't make any difference, Ferguson has made it pretty obvious he is no longer first choice.

Ok, I have felt for some time that Nani's decision making at key moments has failed him. It is his football brain that sees him make the wrong decision and there is the problem.

Nani will have a good game before long, look great but it will then be followed by 9 frustrating games. An analogy seems appropriate. If an England batsman only scored a 50 every ten games , a very stylish 50 even, how long would he be in the team? The answer is not long because his team mates would carry him for the 9 games in between, all the time getting more and more frustrated.
It's life, it's sport, it's football and the boss can't have missed the nine games.

Red Man

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Sydney! that was precisely my point. Obviously Ronaldo is a quality player regardless but in 07/08 he had the worlds best and most settled defence behind him aswell as a (mostly) fit Hargreaves, a younger Carrick, Scholes and an impressive Anderson in his debut season. He had a solid team behind him and we all know the goals he scored. If a 25 year old Nani had played in that side then IMO we would see a much more impressive and consistent player.

TK-Red

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TK-Red

What you say must have an element of truth to it yes, but surely that could be said for every player in the team? i.e. if we had a better all round team all the individuals would look/perform better. Certain players like RVP, Hernandez and more recently Rooney seem to be doing well even though our midfield platform behind them has been lacking and our creativity has not been at full pace. I'd love for Nani to come back into the team and play 5 top class performances in a row, tearing defences apart like he used to. But until that happens, and with his contract getting dangerously short we really must assess the need to move Nani on IMO.

Gav

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Syd, Which team will pay 30 million for Nani if he had 5 years left on his contract?



I say we would be lucky to get 18 million for him. Based on your valuation they should give him an extension and give him the extra money and sell him in the summer.

Anyway January is coming and you know what, I don't think anyone will come in for him and we might be forced to less him this summer for a lot less than that.

BTW who have we sold in the last 15 years that has gone on to be great and the club regretted it. Please exclude pique and Ronaldo as the manager did not want them to leave and both were special cases.

I think SAF sees exactly what a lot of other people see, over an entire season his performance is so inconsistent that we need a change.

Shahram

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Chris the REDman you do not speak for me on here, and I'm sure there are a few others who who prefer to voice their own opinion than have do it for them.

For everyone slating Percy bringing this up, he regularly gets singled out and slated on here for supporting Nani, and then when he puts his case forward gets told he's obsessing!

This is just a debate that both sides will not agree on. My two penneth is that I'd rather have an in form Nani than an in form Valencia on the right side of my team.

Shame is that Nani has not really hit form all season. (Last season he did in patches) I think the contract situation has effected him, but I think Fergy has decided to cash in and try someone else.

I can't help thinking that a world class coaching team would have converted Nani's promise into a more consistent player. He needed to be more selfish and prepared to try to grab the game by the scruff of it's neck.

Too often he would try a shot and Rooney would shout at him, then he'd stop trying things! I want my winger to take risks and try to make things happen. I think it is wingers suddenly trying to keep possession that has stifled our performances.

It is unlikely we would replace Nani with anyone better, if you subscribe to the theory that contract negotiations are effecting his form.

DodgyBanter

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Zenit were willing to spend 27m euro on him with 18 months left on his deal. Nani is AT LEAST a £25m player, but due to him having just a year left on his deal he is available at a cheaper rate.

Sydney!

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'Gav'

You say said players are doing well but has Hernandez been consistently brilliant this season? No, he has been in and out and when he has started he hasn't looked quite the same. Rooney may have scored a few goals of late but anyone who says he hasn't been consistent clearly hasn't been watching the same team this season. The only player to look consistently classy this season is RVP. Inconsistency is something that could be leveled at the majority of the squad but Nani is taking the brunt of it. The 3 players you mentioned work very hard defensively and that may be part of the reason that merits them a place in the team. The same could be said for Valencia but then there are other players who are at their best when they are free to play their own game. Ronaldo and Nani are 2 of those players and I would say Anderson can be included in there too. That doesn't make Nani a dreadful player, it just makes him the type of player that benefits more from playing in a team with a strong spine. I agree that the contract situation changes things completely but hypothetically speaking, if Nani had several years left and next season we went out and signed Hummels, Strootman and Baines then Nani would look 10 times as consistent as he has of late as he would be allowed to go out and play with freedom.

TK-Red

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Obviously with regards Rooney, I mean't he has been inconsistent, not consistent.

TK-Red

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Sydney

How is Zenith a relevant club. They have to pay a big premium to get any player to go out there and play.

Shahram

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TK

I have never said Nani is dreadful and actually I agree with a lot of what you said about the way we're playing as a team. It's just my gut feeling that he has been more inconsistent than any of our other players, that was a problem he had even before his best form in 2010/2011. We have all been quietly willing him to achieve that consistency since those early days.

Some of our other players seem to have adapted to the way we're playing better too. Valencia, for example, although uninspiring he rarely loses possession and when he does get into a decent position tries to get a dangerous ball in. When he does just pass it inside then we start to build again, which seems to be our style ATM. Nani tends to lose possession too often which frustrates fans and team mates.

I am always willing to give players a chance whilst they're wearing the Red shirt though, so if he comes back in and hits form then fair play - we all know what he's capable of! But my gut tells me we have seen the best of him at United and he's likely to move on.

If the contract dispute and injuries have contributed to his poor form then I do feel sorry for the guy.

Gav

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P.S.

I don't understand why we tried selling him to Juve summer 2011 that's the strangest thing of all. He had just come in from a good season. I'm not sure that is what is behind his bad form but it can't have helped!

Gav

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14 Dec 2012 00:28:38
Red Man, in August I was reading Miguel Delaney's twitter page and he said that he had heard from his source at United that the management team at Manchester United have given up on Nani because after a good performance is goes to his head and he cannot control it. I think that coincides with what you have been saying all along, that he hasn't got the brain to take his performances to the next level.

Sydney!

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No I know you haven't said he is dreadful mate but IMO Nani is partially a victim of unfortunate timing. When we had a solid team a few years ago he was a very raw talent and had Ronaldo to contend with and yet by the time he matured as a player the rest of the team had deteriorated and could no longer support that type of player. Nani is one of our few 'flair' players where as the rest are more work man like and I think that is why they might appear to be more consistent. Nani is very much a luxury player, a luxury we can ill afford with our current midfield and aging defence. Unfortunately for him, by the time we sort out those areas, Nani will be long gone.

TK-Red

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13 Dec 2012 17:32:28
I haven't added anything to the Nani debate but some of these posts are pissing me off.

Nani is one of the best wingers in the world, no doubt. Although he has been out of form for a good 6 months and injuries/game time don't make it any better for him.

As Percy has repeated he is the kind of player we need for fast flowing football, and the reason he hasn't shined in his last games is because the wingers have been told to hold the ball and keep possession, Nani is great at skills but keeping possession isn't an option when your a skiller, he will lose the ball most times against great defenders if he is told to keep hold of the ball.

Should we sell him? Well after his recent form yes, but if we want to become a fast flowing team I say keep him and sell another one of our wingers.

We will sell him though and his replacement SHOULD be Rodriguez, followed by Muniain then Isco. I don't want any of this Walcott or Zaha crap, they are taking a step backwards.

But can everyone stop having a go at Percy for sticking up for Nani, we all have our favorites, such as Sydney has Cleverley, Bond has McCarthy and I have Hernandez.

We just need to accept others opinions.

Buzzing for the Sunderland game, lets destroy their fans dreams of staying in the premier league.

Have a good one lads!

-JakeW

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Does Nani keep his head up when running with the ball

Does valencia

I would love to see nani play up front, and then compare

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13 Dec 2012 17:12:21
Dear God

I don't pray much but, Please Please Please, relegate Sunderland.

Yours Sincerely

G.A.G.U.S

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I Second that!

-JakeW

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And you wonder why everyone hates you lot ! So please God, let Man Utd never win anything ever again and spread joy across the world !

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Sunderland fan at least leave a name, actually don't worry we wont hear from you after Saturday.

-JakeW

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Man United never win anything again or Sunderland to get relegated hmmmm I know where my money would be.

Devil Dust.

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'And you wonder why everyone hates you'??

What is this? The school playground? Why don't you just run around giving everyone a wedgie and nicking our dinner money?

TK-Red

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Think you wanna pray more often then mate

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13 Dec 2012 17:04:39
id love for sir alex tog get erik lamela the kid is unreal !!

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13 Dec 2012 16:57:58
Just some stats which show how indispensable Michael Carrick is to us.

Michael Carrick has played more forward passes than anyone in the league, he's got a pass success rate of 88.7%, has made more tackles (26), interceptions (25) and clearances (28) than any other United player this season.
One of the most under-rated players in the league.

kdevil10

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His head is on the wrong way round

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Brilliant kdevil, like the post, Carrick is ok but come on ......
As they say, there are lies, damn lies and statistics .... ha ha
PerthDave

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13 Dec 2012 15:57:46
So Rooney wants to beat Sunderland because we took the mickey last season when YOU blew the Premiership ! So does that mean if we had been sympathetic to YOU losing the Premiership on the last day, you would let us have a draw this weekend - I think not ! So Mr Rooney and all you underachievers, crack on and beat us handsomely on Saturday but remember that sunny day when we all turned our backs on you lot and laughed coz clearly, you do remember it and clearly, it still hurts you !! Hohoho !

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Sunderland fans think they can banter with United fans now? Awww bless their little cotton socks.

TK-Red

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Do grow up

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Banter coming from a fan of a club fighting at the bottom of the league and struggling... Keep your attention on your surrounding clubs.

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I do love the way u call us underachievers while ur in a relegation fight! Wot a fool lets hope we smash you for a load of goals and u get relegated on goal difference
Chris the REDman

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Pointless post. Your banter is as good as liverpool fans'.

Mick

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We will help send you down to the Championship where you belong.

Sydney!

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Who gives a crap about Sunderland? They have no relevance, they cheered City because their sorry ass team is irrelevant.

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I'm sorry, I don't understand. You, who are FIFTEENTH IN THE LEAGUE, are calling us, whoe are SIX POINTS CLEAR at the top of the table, underachievers? We are 23 points above you and yet you say that we aren't performing to expectations? You continue to amuse me and I sincerely hope we thump you.
Good luck-I assure you you will need it.
Nov00

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Pretty pathetic when your team is mostly made up of our rejects... Enjoy obscurity

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To be honest i'm not sure why they actually did that last season considering the relationship we had with them, 2 ex players as recent managers, about half a dozen ex players having played for them not to mention the evans & welbeck loans. Whats city ever done fro them?

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13 Dec 2012 15:42:59
You lot need to get a life about Sunderland taking the mickey last season - you've sold us duffers for years and beaten us every season home and away - you will win on Saturday whether it's 1, 2, 3 or 10 but we won't be relegated as it's only December and we can do what we want in our own ground so grow up and do your worst coz those 5 minutes of mickey taking were worth every goal you'll score on Saturday !! Here endeth.....

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Yeh we will if u still think that way at 5 o clock fool if ure only smiling grace is getting 5 mins of laughter at our expense that just shows us exactly how much of a laughing stock ure little club has become!
Chris the REDMAN

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I tought last season was great an Sunderland fans only added fuel to an already lit fire between us an city if it wasn't there fans it would of been someone else's. So Wat we have now we have real competition in city an a rivalrie wit Sunderland for takin the Micky. So come Saturday please don't turn your back cause you will be shown how to play some decent football....

CAIN

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13 Dec 2012 15:41:11
So the Nani debate is in full force once again, because I had the audacity to say that Walcott is a severe down grade on Nani. Anyway, I'll indulge.

"Nani is left footed player who is second choice to Valencia's on the right wing.

Ashley young is a right footed player who plays left wing because we have no one else that can do a better job there.

Nani is frustrating to watch when he is on the right wing but even worse when he plays on the left side. A left footed winger who can't play left wing, can't cross a decent ball and makes the wrong decision 80% of the time is a problem.

In your view and he also sees himself as Ronaldo style winger/forward but you are delusional to even think he is in that sort of mold.

We play a reverse wingers attack, which IMHO is not ideal as it clogs up the middle where the strikers should be operating.

We never go past anyone on the left and everything comes down the right side of the pitch. We have no width as both young and Nani will come inside to get on to their favorite foot and actually narrow up our play in the final 3rd.

Why do you think we are looking at Rodriguez or Isco as replacements for Nani. I can assure you they will not be playing on the right wing and will play on the left side and Ashley Young will be a back up and can also back up valencia on the right position.

In an Ideal world we get a new left winger and young as second choice and will have Valencia on the right side. If Walcot is available for nominal fee it is a good option to have for the right wing.

The reality is we bought a left winger that has not worked out for us and will be offloading him shortly."

Shahram

This shows just how little you know. Nani is right footed. Seriously, do you even watch football?

Everyone wants United to switch to a fast free flowing style of football, yet for some reason people want rid of Nani? He's arguably our best player in those terms, along with Cleverley, Welbeck and Kagawa. I'd also like to point out that 24 apps to 22 apps is b*******, look at the minutes played and how many sub appearances were made. And I agree that stats don't tell the whole story, but watching Nani is far more entertaining, watching him ghost men and play the beautiful game is far more satisfying than getting to the byline and thumping a cross into the 6 yard box.

Obviously it depends on your preferences, but this whole 1 game in 10 thing is total b*******, sure he's pretty inconsistent, but his good games come with a run of games. His bad games come when he's in and out of the team, which happens so often because not only is AF obsessed with rotation (Not a bad thing), he's also obsessed with boring functionality, ie. Valencia and Young. For one reason or another he doesn't seem to like flare.

Percy

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Percy - ffs Nani plays 10 games and will have one game where he is a 10 /10 and then 9 where he is a 4/10 where as Valencia will have a consistent 7/10 and he is better defensively and helps the team more where as Nani runs into people, cant beat a man from set pieces or crosses, shoots wildly and is selfish and greedy with no end product 90% f the time.

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No name,
I wrote it before and I repeat that nani would be deadly with faster players around him, I hope him and kagawa can strike a partnership as both will be deadly. Selling Nani to Arsenal could be a blunder!.
Everyone slates nani for being poor and then when arsenal rumour came up , everyone (almost) thinks that we should not let him go as he could be good there. Now my question is why would you think that a "poor" nani would be successful at arsenal unless deep inside you do know that the kid has some talent. He will come good again, just like Anderson has (bar the injuries)
DJ

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Whilst I do think Percy has a worrying obsession with Nani, and whilst his form has generally been crap...I do wonder how he has fallen so far. For 6 months he was tremendous so the guy clearly has ability. I really hoped he would step up and be a star man but for some reason he has gone backwards. It does sometimes appear there is a malaise around the club. Welbeck seems to have stopped progressing and whilst Cleverley has had a couple of very good games, it will be interesting to see if he can step up and become a top level consistent performer. Let's hope they dont take the Nani route and go backwards. SAF has stated 'publicly' he wants to play a faster paced game, yet too often our wingers stand on the ball and look to pass back or sideways; Valencia in particular seems to have turned this into an art form. I've not really sensed pace and urgency in many games yet...

AJH

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13 Dec 2012 12:40:57
Iv being told by a friend that a certain someone will be arriving in January. SAF already bid for the player an the player played hardball wit demands however being frozen out of his team lately he wants this move an was dissapointed it didn't come off last summer. So he is available he is a master in midfeild he will come cheaply an because he blew his chances last time he will negotiate on wages the best thing after reading all this is ..... He is not cup tied.........if you haven't guessed already it's sneijder .......... For me he is immense an great at Wat we need (stability)........ Please don't write that " he had his chance" crap it's not like he turned us down an went somewhere else he actually wants to play for us,an money can't buy that ......


CAIN

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Really don't see it, he is not someone that we need.

Fresh!

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Id prefer wanyama/strootman or bender.

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Contradict yourself much Cain...the 'played hardball wit demands' but wants to play for us....well clearly he doenst want to play for us that much and as for your 'money cant buy you that' comment - clearly it can as if we increase our wage offer to him he would be far more likely to join

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We need a sandro more

marlow

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I think we bought Kagawa for the position we wanted Sneijder in, so can't see him coming

Also, I would worry about his injury record

I would think it more likely we go for someone who provides better width (in summer, no Jan) - someone like J Rodriguez

G

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We need Cat Deeley more

DodgyBanter

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13 Dec 2012 11:54:46
Ps if we wanted any wide player for free, Lewis Holtby is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Theo Wallcott and is available for nothing at the end of the season and he is young aswell as talented.(considering he doesn't sign a new deal)
DJ

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13 Dec 2012 11:48:04
Hi guys, I am alamin!
First of all, Ashley young is a very outstanding winger with and incredible pace and he's ability to divert the game from left to right is another advantage of he's abilities.

Rooney is a fantastic footballer , I think I like the way he's dropping deep because when Rooney hasn't been there for us we haven't always been performing well even this season. Dropping deep will make him create passes to the flanks for Ashley young and Valencia.

Van persie in fact a very dangerous goal scoring machine, he knows how to lose his defender and finish clinically on what everyone thinks wouldn't be a goal.

Rafael to me is the best right back in premier league he as successful tackling rate of 3.1 and interceptions on 2.2 I think which is fantastic for a young growing right back, he's incredible pace with Valencia has also helped in creating chances for us.

Evra so far has been performing very well and coming back when he overlaps. I think he has been incredible so far for the last 6 games or 8. And he seems to have a very distinctive understanding with young. And he is a very good crossed of the ball and also has incredible pace.

Chicharito (javier Hernandez ) has also been good this season being a super sub and I think he is the most pacey player in our team, he's finishes to are quite accurate.

Welbeck has been good too, he knows how to get the ball from players and also run with it.

kagawa too has been good especially the match against ever ton but imthink we haven't yet seen the best of him. It would be great to see him back from injury.

thanks for reading

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Chica who...oh Javier Hernandez - glad you clarified!

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Another one with his head in the clouds.Really Ashley Young is average at best.Welbeck will never be good enough & i have my doubts about Cleverly

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I'm not convinced on Wellbeck and still think Evra lacks in terms of defensive cover (although he has been better this season). Young will never be 'world class' but is a decent squad player. I agree with the rest

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I like your optimism. Its good to have some positive opinions, and i agree with most of yours. But Young is by no means " outstanding ". He might be more consistent than Nani, but he doesnt have a drop his ability and he is not half the player Valencia is.

And Welbeck still has not failed to convince most that he is good enough to play for us.

As for Kagawa, he has been decent so far and has had trouble settling in. But that is to be expected since he needs time to adapt, and the fact that he cant speak english doesnt make it any easier.

Mick

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13 Dec 2012 11:29:12
Not really a rumour but thought some might like to know that Brian Greenhoff will be doing a book signing in Sam Platts before the game on Saturday, I'm a bishops blaize man myself but may pop down sam's for an hour. he'll be there from 12:00.
Lets give these Sunderland fans some payback for their antics on the last game of the season!! Banter wise obviously.
Flyhalfmitch.

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13 Dec 2012 11:23:18
Please don't let these reports be true of us signing Walcott. I don't rate him that highly at all to be honest, and he seems to be getting more and more arrogant thinking he's the next Henry or something.

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13 Dec 2012 11:09:47
We are all united on the fact that Sunderland need to be punished, but we need to be careful on giving cheap free kicks near the box, Johnson and gardener can be lethal and the last thing we need is conceding from set pieces, though starting DDG instead of lindegaard would be a step in the right direction due to DDG's superior aerobatic skills IMO.

Let's put them out of their misery and into the relegation zone
DJ

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Aerobatics isn't the correct word but I like it to describe DDG!

You are correct but if doing 1 down early on means we start playing and win 5-1 I would take that!

GDS

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No, I don't even want them to have those 5 mins of pleasure of being in the lead , clean sheet and a rout would make me very happy, but I'll take any sort of a win tbh
DJ

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Sorry GDS, I actually wrote acrobatic, I really hate my iPad.
DJ

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Get a life. How on earth would getting battered at Old trafford bother us that much. We're used to it-it's normal. You're only so wound up about last season because you're not used to having to take the banter on the back of loosing something. We are so bring it on...

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Banter from a team who it didnt concern,your nobodies who finished no-where in the league yet you had the nerve to jump on another teams success to try and wind us up, we'll see who has the last laugh on saturday and hopefully your relegated,might not bother you but it'll make us very very happy.

phil

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DJ,

I thought you might have done but aerobatic is still good!

No name, glad to see you go into games expecting to lose, what a fan of Sunderland you must be, the only time you get to celebrate is when a team you don't even like win the league, I feel sorry for you.

GDS

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The red clouds are rolling in, my friend.....

RED_SKY

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Noname,

Problem being - getting smashed at OT will not be 'normal' to you from next year as you'll be playing in the Championship!

Nevermind, you can do the poznan when Newcaslte win from then on, they can be like you're North-East representatives (seeing as they are far superior ;)

Gav

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Sunderland fan you won't be saying that when your in the relegation zone

19-20 MUFC

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13 Dec 2012 11:08:07
Lot of rumours linking us with Lewandowski & dare I say it Sneijder in January.

Well if these two come in I can still see someone like Strootman or Bender coming in also in the summer.

I think Scholes will retire but Giggs will want one more season to join the 40 brigade like Sheringham, Friedel, Southall & Windass.

That leaves a central midfield of Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs, Anderson, Cleverley, Jones, Sneijder, Strootman/Bender, Kagawa, Powell & Petrucci.

It also leaves a strike force of Rooney, RVP, Chicharito, Welbeck, Lewandowski, Henriquez, W.Keane, Macheda?, Bebe?, King?, Cofie?

With it being an important season being a World Cup year do you think Cleverley & Welbeck might fancy a loan move so they can play every week?

I think it could be a make or break season for them.
With the players possibly bought they would be at least 5th choice.

Also could help us bring through Petrucci & W.Keane.

TJ

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TJ, Lewandowski will not be signing in January. Sneijder certainly will not be signing in January. Powell, Petrucci & Will Keane are more likely to get loaned out than Welbeck and Cleverley and it certainly isn't a make or break season for them. Our strike force is Hernandez, Welbeck, Rooney & RvP. Henriquez, Kiko & W. Keane are U21 strikers and the rest are out on loan. Bebe, Kiko, Cofie & King are highly unlikely to make the step up and will be sold at some point.

Sydney!

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I presume you mean 'in my opinion' Syd? Please dont start with all this certainty talk again because you dont know anything more than the rest of us.

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Why not leave a name you cowardly little muppet.

Lets see who is correct then shall we? Lets see if Sneijder and Lewy sign in January. Lets see if Welbeck and Cleverley get loaned out in January and lets see if Bebe, Kiko, King & Cofie make the grade at United.

Sydney!

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For once I agree with Sydney's forthright response and agree with everything that he said. I think that in a few years we will have a top strike force of:

Rooney, Lewandowski, Henriquez, Chicharito & Keane.

I think that ultimatly Welbeck will move on, he is not a striker, not a false number 9 and he is not really a winger - he doesn't excel at anything, he is just a decent player.

Fresh!

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Fresh, I expect we will see Lewandowski in the summer, but not in January for obvious reasons.

Sydney!

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Thats rubbish welbeck is a striker that is somtimes played out of position due to a very high level of competition upfront clearly the manager rates him, with all the attacking options he still finds a way to slot him in even removing berbatov (the league's top scorer the previous year) a 30m player from the team to incorporate him i think hes a quality player with a lot of promise n tbh i cant think of a better 4th choice striker in europe not to mention the fact he came from our academy, i dont get it?

marlow

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13 Dec 2012 19:19:28
@ above nameless. Arnt you stating your opinion ? but you dint say "in my opinion". Double standards ?

Desired.

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13 Dec 2012 10:46:08
United will sort the midfield out in the summer. Will Hughes joining from Derby and Dennis Praet joining from Anderlecht. United also follow Jack Wilshere in Arsenal, and will bid for him, should Arsenal end up with no European football next season..
Also, Ben Pearson will be ready for the first team with a year og two. Great prospect..

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Wilshere is highly unlikely. I see no need for Praet or Hughes when we have Powell, Petrucci, Tunnicliffe, Januzaj, Daehli, Rothwell & Pearson. I think it's time to sign the real McCoy for midfield, we have enough prospects.

Sydney!

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Anyone remember mark "Pearson" from the Busby days?
Cosh

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If we signed Wilshere I would be over the moon, however it is unlikely. I too think that we need to sign the real McCoy - either Wanyama, Strootman or Bender would be very good for us. Strootman I think could come in January and I would like Wanyama to sign in summer along with Rodriguez, Lewandowski & Baines.

Fresh!

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But syd all these younsters dont get gametime so how can you be sure? some of them propsects wont make the grade! Wilshere is top class and easily could be the new keano IMO

ms85

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Wilshere is not a 'Keane' type player. When Song was at Arsenal and they played together Song was the solid 'Keane'-like player and Wilshere had the flair.

Fresh!

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Ms85, I am a massive fan of Wilshere, but if Arsenal were to sell him it would be uproar. He is their Mr Arsenal. I will say this though, he is still friends with RvP whereas Frimpong is not. So I wouldn't be surprised to see Wilshere leave in a few years and the Arsenal board would enjoy cashing in on him, but he will not be sold to us and he will not be sold in the summer.

Sydney!

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13 Dec 2012 10:43:15
It seems likely now we are sending our young prospects on loan in pairs.

Amos & Brady at Hull
M.Keane & Lingard at Leicester

These are very promising players & it's good for the Club, Fans & most importantly Fergie to see what these lads can do in a more competitive league.

Now for this bunch.

These players it seems to me are just wasted playing cold nights with the U21's if we move these players out on loan some of the more talented U18's can step up.

So what about.......
W.Keane (when fit) & Vermijl at Middlesborough
Macheda & Petrucci at Watford
Thorpe & Tunnicliffe at Wolves

I do believe these teams I've chosen would be the right Club for a loan move for our players. Its important that they play & I think they'd be in the starting line up after a few weeks.

TJ

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They are a little bit too specific aren't they? Especially with keane being out for the rest of the season anyway.

Also who plays for the under 21s if we send all the players out on loan? We still learn things from the players playing in the under 21s.

GDS

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Petrucci is ready for a premier league loan. He should join a bottom team if the opportunity presents itself.

Mick

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13 Dec 2012 10:16:16
Hi guys been looking round the transfer sites and the january transfer rumors or should i say rubbish is really picking up speed tribal football and caught offside as well as the rest chat so much crap its scandarlous this site is with out doubt more honest and opionated i know without them the rumors would not be the same and when you think about them there really quite funny nani to everton on one site pep guardiola to arsenal on another how many of the rumors end up being true one in twenty one in a hundred what do you guys think and how do you think you can spot a rumor that has legs and may happen Katef

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13 Dec 2012 09:27:32
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying Valencia is better than Nani. Just tell me how many of you would sell Nani to the other top 4 teams. I guess even SAF won't sell him to any of the top 4 teams. That tells you the quality of the player.
I accept Valencia is a good player but IMO Nani is better.

AJ

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Silly comment really, sir alex would be reluctant to sell any of our players to a top 4 team,correct me if im wrong but i can only remember silvestre moving to arsenal and he was way past his best and injury prone,tevez wasnt sold as he was on loan so he didnt have a say in where he went so it hasnt got anything to do with how good nani is just that fergie doesnt like selling his players to prem clubs.

phil

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13 Dec 2012 10:26:45
So you've made that statement on a "guess". Good solid foundation.
Nani can be great, but is he great enough of the time?

Whistler.

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In one game Nani can be ten times better than Valencia ever could be but then in the next ten games Nani will most likely be USELESS.

Devil Dust.

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13 Dec 2012 09:18:30
Heard somewhere that AS Roma are looking to have Nani on loan? If this is true why not do it like player swap deal? Nani for De Rossi!

ProgrammerFan

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Nani for lamela

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13 Dec 2012 07:35:07
I love my team but it has to be said, Manchester United fans are persons. If Cleverley and Wellbeck played for anyone else we would be begging for Fergie to sign them. They are regulars for the national team as well. Are you all saying that you know better than Fergie, Pearce and Hodgson?

Why don't you all stick to your office jobs or afternoons watching Jeremy Kyle and let the PROFESSIONALS do what they do best. Stop criticising our players.

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I am sorry but Welbeck is not and will not be United class.... He is a Everton class player at best.... Cleverley is a decent player and just reminds me of a young carrick nothing more...

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Oh god two no names having a discussion where I disagree with both.

First off, people are allowed an opinion, so if they want to think welbeck isn't very good they can do. There are also a lot of people on here that say give youth a chance, and then when we do they say oh he's not good enough get rid of him. I think we can all see that cleverley will be a very good player for the club, and that with the effort welbeck puts in he could also be fantastic. Remember he has played out of position all season. How good would Rvp look playing right wing?

No name 2, if cleverley was to be Carrick class, a man who has won 4 premier league trophies and a champions league, then I would be over the moon.

What is the difference between united class and Everton class? What gives us the god given right to have any player because we are a better team? What you said is very disrespectful to Everton. Do we judge players ability now on what kind of team they should play for, so all the top players come to united and the average players go to Everton?

GDS

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No name.
What complete garbage. Welbeck is work in progress who still has the potential to be an excellent player in 2 to 3 years time. Cleverley is absolute class, one of the most important players in the team and he will get even better. Please leave your name in future so that your views can be ridiculed.
PerthDave

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So based on being picked for england you would be happy for us to sign downing,shelvey,henderson,carrol etc
johndenton

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OP - oooeeeewooo, chillout ; )

For what it's worth (not much to you evidently) I don't rate Wellbeck. I'm really sorry that I disagree with your clearly correct opinion.

Cleverly I'm hoping will develop into a good player but I'm not expecting him to be a regular starter necessarily

Gav

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Ha, good point johndenton!

G

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Hang on, who does this Jeremy Kyle play for? Have we been linked to him?

Ports

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P.S.

And yes, I would say that I know more than Pearce! (hardly a tactical genius lol)

G

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Haha, Welbeck is Everton class? Didn't Everton beat us this season?! Welbeck is still very young, and some of his link up play is exceptional. Not to mention he works his socks off in every game.

Ruudinthemood

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Ruudinthemood

Everything you say about Welbeck is correct but unfortunately that does not make him good enough for a starting birth ATM. If he's a striker he needs to improve his finishing and if he's a winger he needs to get more dangerous crosses and passes in the box. If he's just something in between then we're in trouble. I am willing to give him time though and am far from calling from his head in January. I'm just not convinced yet

Gav

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13 Dec 2012 02:26:43
Percy - You keep saying that Nani's stats are way better and that is all you have seem to care about..... Well

2011-2012 premiership stats -

Nani - 24 app. 8 goals. 10 assists.

Valencia - 22 apps. 4 goals, 13 assists.

They seem pretty close to me and you seem to only go on this and forget about the amount of defensive work Valencia does and he takes 0 set pieces.... You are so blind its verging on stupidity.

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Those stats still make Nani look good, and you should look at the 2010-2011 season.

Ruudinthemood

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To be fair the fact that Nani takes set pieces and Valencia doesn't doesn't really change anything given that Nani's never beat the 1st man

Jaxer

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Ruudinthemood - So you want to compare a fit Nani to a broken leg Valencia?.... Good one !

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Jaxer - I know his set pieces are awful but he still gets the odd one.

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Comparing best season of Nani against best season of Valencia can be used to judge the better player.

But come on guys Nani is definitely better than Valencia....

AJ

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As Navjot Singh Sidhu says, Statistics are like Mini Skirts what they reveal is suggestive but what they hide is vital :)..

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AJ,

That would be the worst thing to use because nani's best season he was brilliant, but has got absolutely nowhere near that since.

On the other hand Valencia has been consistent over a longer period of time. Using your system Kevin Phillips is better than a lot of players in the premier league as in his best season he got over 30 goals.

GDS

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AJ

What do you base this on?

Nani has been here longer, had more time and chances to convince SAF and everyone (except Percy) that he is reliable enough to depend on and yet is still not considered by the majority to be of any use.

I have produced multiple stats over differing years disproving the point you are saying is definite and even without stats you can see on the pitch if you asked his team mates who would you rather have, from the moaning Nani recieves I would be confident Toni would win.

Nani doesnt just infuriate us fans you can see the players have little confidence in him aswell. Who can say when watching him line up a free kick or corner that anyone was expecting a goal or assist? I ceratinly didn't!.

Without a doubt the skillfull Nani firing on all cylinders and playing well for the team out shades the top bursting runs and directness of Toni but when you consider there is absolutely no way of predicting when Nani is due his 1 top game in 10 then there is little point in even considering him as his bad performances are doubly as bad as Toni's.

Toni on average in ten games - 7-8 out of ten.

Nani on average in ten games - 4-5 out of ten.

Jono

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Jono,

Agree agree agree agree. Couldn't have put it better myself.

GDS

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13 Dec 2012 00:51:05
Ed's I have a technical question for you. I have just logged on but the United page seems to only be showing posts from 6 months ago. The times and dates are all correct but all I can see are posts from numerous people arguing with Percy about how good Nani is. Now I can only imagine that either I have jumped into my delorean without noticing or there is a glitch with the website as I know we can't be having THAT particular conversation again...

TK-Red {Ed001's Note - I will get it looked at.}

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Haha! Genius TK.

DodgyBanter

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13 Dec 2012 00:37:12
Ok so now I am sick of hearing the who's who and who will be joining etc......

At this moment in time it's an A or B option with a Transition C.

A - Sign an over-rated, over-paid player who lacks maturity and knowledge and be more focused on the green at his hand's more so than the green at his feet.!!!

B - Buy a promising player, proven and plenty of margin to improve. Who plays from the heart, will command drive and conquer to achieve.

C - Sign a player like Theo Walcott, plenty of potential and can score goals.... Offered 75k a week at Arsenal and has yet to sign a renewal because he wants to win.... Say what you want about him but if he does not renew at Arsenal for 75k, should utd

Offer money in January for him app 5-8 mill, and a wage of 50-60k a week or.........

Sign on a Bosman to become a UTD player in August and pay him 75k a week like Arsenal offered....

little apples and all that, so what is your view

Redddevilfan

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13 Dec 2012 00:31:15
Afternoon Gents,

Something away from the usual, I wanted to bring to you the attention of AC Milan's 15 year old Moroccan, Hachim Mastour.

I'm not suggesting we are linked with him, but google the kid and the videos of him are great, looks a real talent. AC Milan are already talking about him being involved in their first team but need permission from the Italian FA as they cannot field players under the age of 16. Could be one for the future, be great if we could snap him up but I will reiterate, not suggesting we are linked with him or will buy him, just wanted to let you know about him.

Let me know your thoughts.

Ports

Seems like something special, loved that elegant self set up volley, George Best style!

Percy

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