Manchester United Banter Archive January 13 2019

 

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13 Jan 2019 22:07:57
Is it so outrageous to think Ole could get the job permanently?

A significant part of management is relationships with players. He motivates, he inspires and he makes them happy. With good coaches around him like big Mick Phelan then we have the perfect set up. In my opinion the manager doesn't have to be all things to all men. Sir Alex wasn't, he often didn't even run training.

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13 Jan 2019 23:13:12
No, its not. To me he is the man. He loves the club and judging by our first half today he can outsmart one of the best current managers in world footy so i would love it if he is given the job permanently.

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14 Jan 2019 00:21:19
Before the Spurs game I'd have said it's impossible and not to get swept up in the short term 'new bounce' effect BUT I have to say tactically he seems far more competent that I gave him credit for. Gary Neville's comments were bang on, he watched where Liverpool got joy vs spurs then adapted our formation (trained it on the Dubai break) and used a diamond and split strikers to great effect to get the lead. That is legitimate managerial nouse and combined with the players really digging in for him 2nd half its a good combination. If he gets us into top 4 and wins a trophy (big ask i know) then i think you have to seriously consider giving it to him.

Other big clubs aren't as shy to appoint new (less experienced) managers - Zidane at Real anyone? Ole coached at man U, earned his stripes about albeit not at the highest level - learned a harsh lesson at Cardiff and so forth so maybe cometh the hour cometh the man.

I'd still take Poch if available but not that many others over Ole as things stand.

Funny old game football.

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14 Jan 2019 00:26:07
I can't see any other alternative now then him being made permanent. If we win our next two at home (winnable games) then that's 8 on the spin.

The huge plus would be that we can start planning for next season now! Sort out DDG, Martial and Herrera's contracts and start the recruitment process now.

Waiting to see does Ole not cut the mustard is dangerous.

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14 Jan 2019 01:25:21
Mike phelan is returning to Australia in the summer doesn't he have a job as a sporting director.

As it stands if we continue this way ole has to be given the job. Keep the coughing staff get a dof in and let's see what this team can do.

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14 Jan 2019 01:29:34
He’s definitely top of my list based on some of the names we have been linked in. Who the long term manager is does not interest me until we have the right DOF. Until this is addressed I believe the next manager is irrelevant.

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14 Jan 2019 05:39:44
Ole's relationship with the fans, players and Sir Alex could play a vital role.
He has the United DNA.
Also, he is not afraid to bench the established forward like Lukaku. He is bringing the best out of Pogba and Rashford as well.

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14 Jan 2019 10:36:41
Ole is in pole position now.

If Utd employ a suitable DoF and Ole maintains good coaching staff around him that know the Utd way then this could work long term.

Ole knows the defending is not good enough and he has commented on that several times already. Yesterday he said that we were panicking in the 2nd half and on occasions 2 players were going for the same ball.
Ole will not hesitate with youth and so this gives players like Chong, Gomes and Greenwood etc a real of making the squad for next season and beyond.

Such a turnaround in the mood and optimism around the club since he joined.

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14 Jan 2019 10:50:52
Poch has to be first choice. If we hit top 4 and give a decent account of ourselves in the cuos, then it has to be Ole.
Could Ole be the man to take a DOF role we keep talking about? He knows the club, the players, the board, the academy and he knows the day to day running of a club. Ole loves this club and would sell out of it to any potential signing. Ole has respect for what he acheived in the game and he is earning more and more each week at the minute. I suppose I'm being greedy and saying I want both Ole and Poch!

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14 Jan 2019 11:24:31
You're all sentimental fools! 😉.

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14 Jan 2019 11:38:25
You can call me sentimental all day long if he keeps going the way he’s going 😊.

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14 Jan 2019 11:42:34
I wonder how he would perform with regards transfer targets or indeed if he'd even get much of a say in them. DOF really needed badly as that bridge between business side and 1st team but I guess it's key that the DOF can work well with the manager (as ED002 pointed out) . So what do we do first, figure out who's DOF then let him/ her have a say on the manager OR get a manager and select a DOF who's happy to work with that individual. It seems to be a catch 22 of sorts to me atm.
Definitely a brighter future though it would seem, I just hope we finally get it right and get some stability back.

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13 Jan 2019 19:06:25
Delighted we have caught Arsenal and are catching Chelsea and they play each other next which means one or both will drop more points. Happy days.

As for today I thought it was a game of 2 halves. In the first half Ole out thought Poch and we dominated, second half I think the reverse happened. Looking at the stats whilst Spurs had a lot of chances, they had 11 on target whilst we had 8, so I know DDG was MOTM but overall it was pretty even. On another day we would have drawn or lost but the commitment and effort was top.

Rashford is now first choice CF which puts Lukaku’s future in doubt and he didn’t do himself any favours when he came on. It’s clear that is Ole’s preferred starting eleven and would any of us change anything? Great to see Herrera back in, his work often goes unnoticed and Matic looks refreshed.

Pogba looks a different player but I still think he has another level he can step up to, and that will have a huge impact if he can dominate consistently.

Onwards and upwards, if we can see Brighton off at home next week we will make up more ground, other fans may scoff but they are looking over their shoulders right now.

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13 Jan 2019 19:14:39
Delighted with this. Ole is certainly playing himself in to the job! First big test passed with flying colours. The team are confident and happy. When this happens natural talent shines through.

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13 Jan 2019 20:25:35
Obviously upgrades on jones, young and matic but other than that not much at the moment needs doing.

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13 Jan 2019 21:06:24
What could have been if we got rid of Jose earlier. Fantastic result against a very good spurs side. De Gea was magnificent. Lindelof and Herrera amazing. Herrera is so pivotal for us. He is everywhere and controls the tempo of our side. I actually think our midfield trio has a great balance to it. People call for a matic replacement but I think he’s been one of our best players. Someone like ndombele rotating with him next year would be brilliant. Fred needs to play the Herrera role. Tackle and give the ball to matic and pogba. All in all we are on such a great run. I really do think a cb is a must in January though. Jones was caught out far too many times. I think we need to pay top dollar even if it’s the winter window. The most in form team in the league. Take each game as it comes and you never know where we will be in the summer. Let’s just say bring on PSG.

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13 Jan 2019 21:07:37
Ole set us up right and it paid off in the first half, but I thought it was dangerous to sit back like we did. We got away with it. Two winnable games coming up.

One reinforcement at the back and a push for top 4 is very doable.

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13 Jan 2019 22:38:24
Great to see, 6 on the bounce, we are heading in the right direction again. Confidence and smiles are back. Well done De Gea and Rashford. The form team right now.
Let’s be realistic, it was only spurs, there are tougher challenges ahead (sarcasm)
GGMU.

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14 Jan 2019 05:41:03
Matic was superb in the first half, cut out lots of attacks.
His ability on the ball is underrated.

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13 Jan 2019 18:27:21
Absolutely brilliant. that david de gea is some GK. The second half was a typical Jose performance and we were lucky to hold on in that second half but i am not complaining. Rashford CAN score. I am glad.

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13 Jan 2019 18:40:25
This is a very good spurs team. They were missing a few in midfield, but all their stars were there up front. What a fantastic team performance. DDG was immense second half, games like this may just convince him to stay, give him whatever he wants and sign him up Woody.

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13 Jan 2019 19:05:50
Along side extending martial, ddg and Herrera's contract we need to get a cb in this month, Jones spent the entire game in kane's pocket.

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13 Jan 2019 19:08:08
Brilliant DDG tho a lot saveable, rode out luck but tactics was good from Ole, another question answered, dangerous attacks and could’ve had a few ourselves m, thought we deserved the win tbh. 6 in a row, what about it now, beaten Poch. Said it all along, going to be hard to shift Ole on now.

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13 Jan 2019 19:14:40
We can’t have won we can only beat the useless teams 🤣🤣 yes Rashford can score because he’s a hell of a lot better than you give him credit for, did you see the stats against Kane at the same age? We have a potential world class player at the club and I can’t wait to see him achieve it.

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13 Jan 2019 19:24:05
A typical Mourinho second half vs Spurs would have resulted in a 3-0 loss, no?

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13 Jan 2019 19:48:56
I, shine the 2 halves the other way round. They dominate first half, have 11shots on target, and then second half we dominate and take the win with them not having a shot on target. The fact is was the other way round has expletive calling us lucky which is harsh.

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13 Jan 2019 20:06:04
? Very fot fungers.

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13 Jan 2019 18:26:06
Great win and a great team effort but for me 3 words sum it up.
WHAT A KEEPER😂😂😂.

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13 Jan 2019 19:02:04
My blood pressure was sky high watching the 2nd half!

Good 1st half performance back to our old ways a bit in the 2nd half.

De Gea was sensational.

A great result.

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13 Jan 2019 19:07:25
He is unbelievable. I run out of superlatives for him!

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13 Jan 2019 18:24:32
Maybe the problem was the special one?

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13 Jan 2019 18:39:42
Six games won in a row and jred wants to talk about Jose. Get over it man.

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13 Jan 2019 18:54:37
Im a very happy man,

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13 Jan 2019 19:32:32
Maybe it was? Who knows? How many questions can I ask in a sentence? Did we win? Is it Jose fault?

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14 Jan 2019 08:49:58
Let's not forget Lloris made on or 2 great saves as well. Else we'd be 2 up. Pogba's lob come's to mind.

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13 Jan 2019 16:17:06
Anyone else feel blanc could be perfect as our director of football?

Knows our club and its traditions, if we had sack our next manager he could step in till a new manager was appointed.

If poch has any negative its his lack of trophies, blanc can be there for advice on getting over the line.

If ole is manager and needs help with the defensive side of things who better than blanc to ask.

If zz is manager there's an obvious connection there too.

Blanc ticks loads of boxes as a DOF

Any thoughts?

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13 Jan 2019 22:42:43
Does he have any experience in that role though?

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14 Jan 2019 01:26:14
To paraphrase Busby if you're good enough you're experienced enough.
Is my view.

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14 Jan 2019 05:44:01
We cannot have a person with no DOF experience run a club like United.

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14 Jan 2019 06:42:39
To paraphrase Perthredmike . is he good enough?
What do we base that on?

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14 Jan 2019 09:09:59
Name a better candidate and what makes them better than blanc at doing it?

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13 Jan 2019 10:49:33
So we have been linked with Southgate this morning, which has gotten a seemingly negative response from most fans. So I thought I would ask, who is your top three choices in order of preference for the United Job?

For me it would be
1, Pochettino
2, Blanc
3, Tuchel

Then there are 3 or 4 young managers I feel we should keep a close eye on as they could be great options in the future or even now if we wanted to take that gamble. Eddie Howe, Nuno Espirito Santo, Marco Rose and Paulo Fonseca all look like excellent young managers who could be ready to challenge themselves at a higher level.

However, considering the amount of work that needs to be done with our squad, I would opt for someone a little more experienced this time, hence Pochettino, Blanc and Tuchel.

Who would you guys go for and why?

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13 Jan 2019 11:36:50
To be honest i'd prefer to go for the others you mentioned. I would ask why blanc figures so high?

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13 Jan 2019 11:37:20
Shappy

Southgate is a total no

Howe, I seriously don’t think he is a viable option, there has been gathering criticism for his clubs situation recently. Perhaps if he takes a step up to a top 6 candidate, a Leicester and after we see how he copes in that next role.

Blanc, not for me, what has he been doing for the last couple of years.

We need to be careful with gambles, those younger managers can get lost in the size of job we have at OT. We gambled with Moyes and LvG, Mourinho didn’t work and wasn’t supported, so another gamble with a multi Billion pound business is too risky for me.
Pep is unattainable
So despite not yet winning anything (which may be put right by summer) Pochettino would be my first choice. However, knowing our club, they may not be willing to pay what it takes, what Levy will demand, providing, of course, he wants to come to us and we should not assume that.

After Poch, perhaps we should consider Simeone?

Third choice, how about Woodward.?

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13 Jan 2019 11:41:22
Pochachino
Ole
Rose

I think Pochachino will stay at Spurs😆😆.

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13 Jan 2019 11:44:47
Nice list shappy. I think the Southgate rumours are pure rubbish. I see there is a massive twitter meltdown about it. I think he’s doing a great job for england and should stay where he is. He may be in ‘consideration’ but I’m sure there is 3/ 4 options before him.

1. Poch - even if we win today Poch would be my first choice. I think the way he carries himself in the media, his man management and his style of play are all in keeping with the way a united manager should be. We should go all out for him.

2. Tuchel - always a fan of his but there have been issues with his handling of egos in the past. Seems to be doing alright at PSG but may get sacked if they don’t win it. His team plays entertaining football but like I said he seems like a bit of a loose canon.

3. Ole - if we can’t get Poch and ole gets top 4 I would give it to him with the same back room staff. I was underwhelmed when we appointed ole but he’s done great. Saying all the right things and truly gets united. Question marks about how he will perform against the big boys so that remains to be seen. If we can’t get Poch we should keep him.

4. Zidane - brilliant record at real and I think that his achievements disrespected quite a lot by fans. Winning 3 champions leagues in a row is unprecedented so he knows how to win the biggest silverware. Also won the league in his second season. Whilst he has the trophy credentials, doubts remain on whether he can really build a team as opposed to inherting a very talented real side. Perhaps someone like Evra as no 2 would help him.

5. Blanc - I think he’s a quite underrated. Won the league with Bordeaux and did well at PSG. Been out of the game for a while but his sides played attractive football. He would be a ‘safe’ appointment and perhaps another experienced/ LVG type appointment. He wouldn’t be in the reckoning for me.

Wildcard - Nagelsmann. Love this guy he is destined for the very top. Progressive young manager who would have been a great fit for arsenal. Unfortunately he has signed for Leipzig otherwise he would have been my option along with Poch. Looks like he is being groomed for the Bayern job. He will do great things.

Top managers but not right for united - Allegri, Simeone. Both very good managers with extremely well drilled sides defensively. But that’s the issue for me. Far too conservative and that’s why we had issues with Jose. Simeone’s teams play with great intensity and are so well drilled. But ultimately they are boring to watch. His style would not go down well with the old Trafford faithful.

Allegri perhaps would be a better fit. Very good tactician and rotates his squad brilliantly. But with the Juve side he has at his disposal he should really be blowing sides away. Some say he is conservative because he is under so much pressure to win the champions league so he is prioritising results over style. Is his defence, his sides usually are conervative from September to March. Then they really finish strongly. Fergieesque in some ways. Last year I would have jumped at the opportunity of him as manager. But now I would avoid based on his style of play. Also, he is unlikely to be interested after we messed him around.

So for me it has to be Poch. I think we are the right move at the right time for him. Win lose or draw today he is the guy we should be going all out for. Nagelsmann would have been a nice option but attainable. If Poch fails and ole wins a cup and gets top 4 he gets my vote. Never thought I would even entertain that idea but he has been a breathe of fresh air. I would rather have someone who knows the club than an outsider who will take time to adjust to the magnitude of the task at hand. But keeping Phelan is key for ole.

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13 Jan 2019 12:07:42
Poch should be the clear number 1 choice in my opinion. He's done brilliantly at Spurs.

Others such as Allegri or Blanc are possible alternatives.

However, if we are simply looking at managers we would like and not necessarily those who are likely to move, how about Lucian Favre? He did well at Gladbach, made Nice a much better side and now at Dortmund he has them playing quick, exciting football which has them top of the Bundesliga. The average age of the Dortmund starting line up has been something like 23 which is unbelievable considering how successful they have been this season.

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13 Jan 2019 12:48:35
I like the way bielsa has Leeds playing although pochettino is 1st choice and Favre seems decent too.

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13 Jan 2019 12:59:12
Favre is brilliant RJ. But I don’t think we have much chance tbh.

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13 Jan 2019 14:02:58
Farve is someone I considered but I doubt we will be able to get him.

For me the three key factors are:
Play good football.
Promote and develop youth.
Be in contention to win titles.

Other good traits but maybe not as important to me are how they handle themselves in the press and how they handle egos within a group. Both are very important but I wouldn't choose a manager who has one of those traits over a manager who had the first three.

Not a fan of Zidane, I'm not convinced by his tactics or his ability to maintain challenges on more than one front. He consistently struggled to challenge in a league where there is only one other team likely to win the league.

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13 Jan 2019 13:47:36
I don’t understand the meltdown over Southgate he’s done a great job with England and it’s easy to forget how dreadfully the previous Managrs did, probably with better players. I get he’s not to some peoples taste but the reaction has been over the to.

I think there are a few things we need from a Manager. A willingness to develop what we have and also bring the young players on. A desire to play expansive attacking football. Strong man management skills. I also think they need to be able to speak English, not just to the players but to all the staff at the club.

I’m not as knowledgeable as a lot of you about overseas Managers but I don’t like Simeone at all, not sure what Blanc has done to merit consideration, Allegri was once in the plan but not sure if that ship has sailed.

Poch has to be the favourite, he knows the league, he plays the game the right way, he develops what he has, he doesn’t whinge, but he also hasn’t won anything yet. That might be an issue for some, not for me.

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13 Jan 2019 14:07:19
My view is simple.
We have a manager at the moment. If he secures top 4 and has a good run in both cup comps then for me he should get the job.
Anything short of that and the club will look elsewhere.
Ole has done well we were 8 points off top 4 when he came in. But if we lose today we will be 9 points off top 4. If we win it will be 6 points.
Poch is top candidate.
Southgate no
Zidane no
Howe no
Biesla very much worth considering
Simione likewise
Although both have language barrier.
Im hoping ole gets the job because it means we will have done great between now and then.

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13 Jan 2019 14:12:14
Southgate beat Panama, Tunisia, Colombia and Sweden. On top of that he couldn't hack it in club football with Middlesbrough.

Who in their right mind would even consider him for one of the biggest jobs in world football?

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13 Jan 2019 15:07:17
Allegri probably would join us after being messed around by us before.

Someone and Narglesmann both play football far closer to that of Mourinho than Pep or Klopp. Rugged counter attacking style is something I would like us to get away from.

I'm a little surprised how quickly everyone dismisses Blanc, he has managed big clubs, has won titles (not just at PSG but with Bordeaux as well), his teams play good football and he knows are club well to boot. Considering the club is in a bit of a mess and needs sorting out top to bottom having someone with experience and experience of our club at its peak puts him in a far better position than someone who is younger and less experienced. That could be something important to consider when hiring the next manager. For me Blanc is an extremely good choice for all those reasons. He just isn't as flashy as some of the other names.

Also Ed002 feels he should be first choice, for me that's someone who's opinion I value on theses sort of matters. So although my tendency is towards Pochettino, Blanc should be seriously considered.

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13 Jan 2019 15:19:02
1 - Julian Nagelsmann
2 - Marcelo Gallardo
3 - Mauricio Pochettino (would still prefer an Ancelotti over him though)

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13 Jan 2019 16:35:00
I question Tottenhams mental fragility the moment there's the slightest bit of pressure. For me that doesn't just come from the players but from the top and for me that rules him out.

Blanc has been out of a job for a bit. Surely there's a reason for that and again for me that rules him out.

Simeone's style is awful to watch.

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13 Jan 2019 18:53:20
Not sure how that works Mort. Could've been a personal choice by blanc the last couple of years.

I think he's a good coach and would be a good fit. But Ole seems to keep improving this side, so I'd imagine he will be close to it.

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13 Jan 2019 09:46:13
Going into today with a sense of optimism that has been missing for quite a while, yes we may lose but knowing we will go out and have a good crack at it fills me with hope and happiness.

Divine intervention could see us sitting 4th at the end of the day, who would have thought that possible a month ago.

We have a lot to be happy about and grateful for atm.

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13 Jan 2019 10:08:19
It would be some intervention. The most we can hope for is 5th on goal difference.
I agree about the optimism though mate. Player for player we can match spurs except at CB. Ole will be telling them exactly that. If spurs score 2 we can score 3. I’ve got a feeling this could be a very good game of football.

(FT 0-0 you watch)

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13 Jan 2019 10:10:30
It would definitely be a miracle if we're sitting 4th by the end of the day.

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13 Jan 2019 10:17:48
Only have to win by 4 clear goals lol.

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13 Jan 2019 10:21:29
Haha my mistake we can go above arsenal sorry guys 😊.

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Review Of The Day 13th January 2019

13 Jan 2019 07:29:01
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13 Jan 2019 13:50:48
Benitez is an interesting one Tris, why does he put up with it. He’s clearly a very good manager yet he is rarely linked with big jobs and is living with the Ashley circus. I think his family is settled in the North West so Newcastle isn’t exactly round the corner but perhaps it works for him.

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{Ed001's Note - Montse would never leave Liverpool and she has, in the past, told Rafa she won't go with him, which is why he took the Newcastle job in the first place, to be able to live at home again. She has her charity work in the city that she devotes her time to and will not move.

So Rafa is limited in his options. It has to be a club in England. Having said that, I don't know how he puts up with Ashley. Everyone knows the talk of selling is bull. He has no genuine interest in offloading a platform for advertising his other businesses and that he can draw so much money from. I honestly think it is a false hope that Rafa is holding onto of him selling.}

13 Jan 2019 14:13:27
Really think that ed001? Why does he constantly 'put it on the market' is it just all for show?

Rio let himself down last night I felt.

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{Ed001's Note - all about stopping the fans protesting against him. Every time the protests get too much he conveniently announces a sale is close.

Rio? You've lost me on that one sorry.}

13 Jan 2019 18:51:51
Rios staunch defence of Mike Ashley on BT sport. Worth a look, sounded as though he was sticking up for his mate.

Very bizarre.

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13 Jan 2019 19:31:08
Does Rafa know there’s a vacancy down the M62? 🙄.

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