Manchester United Banter Archive July 13 2012

13 Jul 2012 21:57:55
if we do get lucas moura,were will he fit?,anyway hope we still do looks very good,doesnt pass much but fergie will drill it into him he also takes that league on his own

13 Jul 2012 20:27:49
Just a quick rant fellas, Ive read a few things lately like why are we not just paying Martinez' buy out clause or we dont have any money or Fergie has no plan b blah blah blah. Are we all that daft to think its that simple? Heres a few reasons to think otherwise

1) not every player in the world sees utd like we do, as crazy as that may seem to some of us they would actually choose another club over us!

2) we have no devine right to just go and get who we want, we are no different to any other club in that respect.

3) some players lack the ambition to sign for us, they are happy to stay where they are rather than flop with us. Shearer springs to mind on all of the above points, we bid for him and shock horror he didnt want to sign for us, it happens!

3)we DO have money to spend. We have bid for modric, moura, Sneijder(last season) it is there for the right player.

4) we will have looked into signing other players and will have been told, not for sale, bid more, unwilling to move etc etc. we dont get to hear the half of what goes on. If anyone thinks we have only looked at powell, kagawa, moura maybe baines then they need to think again.

Rant over guys, i guess my point is Fergie will do whats best for us as much as he can, if that means no more signings then so be it, if it means spending another 30-40m all the better. Lets just get behind him and the players and get our title back!


Parks.

Nice one, Parks.

M.D.

I have to disagree on a few points mate.

The Shearer thing well yeah there are other players who could have moved to us and chose not to incase they flopped but he is not one imo. He would have moved from Blackburn to their rivals Utd while at the same time his boyhood team comes in and he knows he will get a heroes statis. I was totally not surprised he did go there although I still was gutted.

I agree with points 1 2 and 3(b) but again disagree on point 4.

Just a month or so ago Berliisconi stated Silva was 99.99% staying with Milan then low and behold PSG in just a 51m deal bring him AND Ibrahimovic in. So he went from unavailable to gone in that time. PSG MADE him available by paying what was needed. Similarly to Madrid who constantly prise assests from clubs who were thought of as untouchable.

We have the pulling power to make deals happen but I feel SAF has the stubbornness to say to a club 'Ok fair enough we won't bother then' when told they are unavailable instead of 'well how about this then?'. I think the thought of a plan B is accepting second best when in reality option B can be just as good as option A. Maybe a stronger No2 might tell him whats needed?

Jono

Jono
that's the nail on head every player is available at the right price, we keep hearing x player is not available but with the right money he will be.
now thats not a strategy you should follow all the time because it would lead to financial melt down but once in a while for a certain player/position.
for example is modric worth 32 mill as a player prob not but is he worth 32 mill to a team like united that is crying out for that type of player, i would say yes.
sometimes you have to pay over the odds for a player when looking at the bigger picture.
ferdinant for example
jred

Jono

Yeah i agree mate, shearer was maybe a bad example but you get my point. It just gets a bit annoying when people seem to think signing new players is as simple as it is on fifa or champ manager! I still expect us to further strengthen the squad but some people want new signing everyday, its unrealistic isnt it.

Parks

Jred, you are dead right. I think sooner or later we are going to have to pay slightly over the odds for a player to improve the first XI. I hope the Eriksen rumours are true.

Sydney!

Jonjo amd jred it`s all well and good saying pay the money thats needed then slag the owners off for the debt, we pay over the odds and the grows, wether we like it or not the Glazers aren`t going anywhere, or perhaos you want to join Newco Rangers in their League 3

Samster1

13 Jul 2012 19:58:49
Random question but does anyone know who the player is training with Kagawa in the daily fail. Its in the story about Kagawa and Vidic

Think it's Davide Petrucci.

Rudderpost

Looks like Davide Petrucci

Mike the Moston Red

Davide Petrucci, I think.

JKM

Tunnicliffe.

G.A.G.U.S

I think it is petrucci
AUSRED

It's Davide Petrucci

fearny

Woops, got it mixed with a different picture.

G.A.G.U.S {Ed007's Note - You don't want to mix your pictures GAGUS, I got a hell of a surprise from an internet 'friend' one night Ed002 was away!!! She (and I use that term very loosely) had 38Ds and and 34B Adam's apple, 'she' ended up staying for 4 days and re-grouted one of the bathrooms and fixed up Ed002's lapdancing pole which had became a bit shoogly since the last party we had.}

Your life must be a hell of a ride(get it? lolz).

G.A.G.U.S {Ed007's Note - Life or wife? ;-)

I would hope for your sake, it's the wife...

G.A.G.U.S {Ed007's Note - You have no idea ;-)

13 Jul 2012 19:40:11
I know its very early and the market's not even really started yet but thought i'd start now and then check again nearer deadline day.

1. Who is favourite in the sack race?

My tips would be Steve Clarke, Brendan Rogers and Martin Jol.

2. Favourites for relegation.

I'm going with Fulham, Reading, and West Ham.

Mort.

Sack - Di Matteo / Jol

Relegation - Norwich, Swansea .

Best buy - Kagawa

Worse buy - A season ticket at the Emptyhead

Busby 68

Wigan got lucky last year... everyone will get used to their new formation and they will finish bottom

fearny

1. Mark Hughes
2. QPR, West Brom and Reading

Relegation: Wigan
They need to do some serious work this summer to stand a chance.

M.D.

13 Jul 2012 19:11:34
It would be interesting to see the figures of debt repayments v increase in revenue
gav.

in 2004 before the glazers took over our income was 246.4mill euro
by 2012 that had gone up to 367.0mill euro.

but you need to take exchange rates in to account and the £500m that has gone out the club

hope this helps

Thanks for going to the trouble to find the figures. So we're now generating 120m euro more per year than in 2004? (less taking inflation into account obviously). And £500m is the total amount taken out to service the debt?

Interesting

Gav

If we assume a inflation rate of 3 percent compounded over 8 years it's 26% which reduces the increase to about 88 mil. If you then consider the value of "football" (hard to put a figure on it) it's really not a great increase. All in all I think from a business side the glazer are ok, without debt and assuming they don't take much in dividends we would definitely be able to compete at the highest level in transfers.

BornRed

13 Jul 2012 18:36:27
Given the choice I,d like to see Fellaini at Old Trafford . In a better quality team I could see him playing a similar role to that of Yaya Toure who was easily Citehs best and most influential player last year. How I wish he left for Barca this summer.

Modric plays a similar role to Kagawa and Moura, sorry but I have reservations about South Americans settling in this country. All the other names.....paper talk.

I am with you, Im a big admirer of Maurouane Fellaini, he has all the attributes to make it at Old trafford. Still only 24 and improves every season.

Cban

I agree Fellaini is a great player. I think he'd be a great signing. He would work well with all the midfielders we have atm and would be able to come in and dominate those tough battling midfields like Stokes. He adds the physical pressance were missing atm.

Shappy

I think fellaini would really add something different to the team
jred

You can't fool me! You guys just wanna wear those wigs at Old Trafford!

M.D.

M.D
lol you found me out
jred

13 Jul 2012 17:42:53
i dont know who united will sign but in imo it will be

1. a striker
2. I think nani will leave
3. a nani replacement

HeHe - aaww thanks for cheering me up mate.

Mike

Nice numbering skills.

I think Utd will sign
1) Carlton Palmer
2) L'Oreal
3) Because he's worth it

DodgyBanter

13 Jul 2012 16:53:37
We are annoyed because you post our good, young players i.e Rooney, Barkley and Luddtrum. Besides the players we have signed from us**ted are not half the players those 3 are so stfu you bitter Mancs.

Where do we post them to??

Simmo

Did we pin Moyes down and force him to sell us those player, or to take our players? No. Quite simply deals were offered and then accepted. Just part of life mate, don't let it stress you too much

Gav

*poach

If the players we bought were not half as good as the ones we gave to you then it's because your club is not half the club of United. And if we go by how much our club is worth, then your not even 10% percent, so think yourself lucky.

Red Joe

I thought we were using fedex?

Mike

Are you aware that of those players only 1 is actually at Utd?

Jono

I hope the OP sees the irony in calling us bitter?

TK-Red

Fact of the matter, Everton are not the same calibre of United, so it will always be a desirable switch for the players in blue. Not just United poaching but a willingness on both sides.

Cban

We did poach Rooney, nearly ruined his career too... Can't imagine what these other blue starlets are thinking?!

DodgyBanter

I think my blue friend (yes I'm a blue too) has got a little too worked up by the media. I frequently have a look at other teams pages, especially when there is a player linked between the teams. Working in Manchester I have quite a good rapport with Man United supporters and don't often find the "we'll take who we want" attitude that is so distasteful. Anyway good luck next season (except when you play us of course) and cross your fingers City's nouveau owners get bored and take their money with them.

Popeye

13 Jul 2012 15:53:17
Don't be surprised if we still get Modric.
That's all I can tell you as Modric has changed the Personell around him slightly in the last week or two, I personally wouldn't be surprised to maybe see Nani or Anderson included in a deal although I wouldn't really want to see either go as I feal our squad would be weaker for it.

Supasub

Not Nani maybe, but Anderson yes. Especially as Modric plays a more similar position and Anderson is likely to get injured AGAIN. £25m plus Ando would be great business! Not getting my hopes up though at all

Gav

13 Jul 2012 15:45:32
Don't think we'll buy a midfielder, Fergie has said he hopes to make Powell a natural CM, makes me thing, that Baines and another attacker will come in.

This is the problem at United, we buy strikers to play at CM and CM at Strikers.
Why not buy a natural CM?

13 Jul 2012 15:24:35
so according to sao paulo vice president, both united and real madrid have made bids for lucas moura. Both bids are currently being considered. source: .....i stress that the report contains quotes from the sao paulo vice president. My gut feeling is that Real Madrid will win the battle, and we end up with just leighton baines.

If real madrid get moura would they then also splash out on modric? I doubt it and if not it leaves him Available for united to try and sign. Bookedredmole

13 Jul 2012 15:12:19
A lot of rumours about us looking at various Everton players and in particular Baines, who personally I rate highly and would be happy to have at the club.
A lot of supporters on here saying we should go for a younger player so while we are looking at toffee players what about their young left back Luke Garbutt?
One of my best friends is a toffee supporter and rates Garbutt very highly, apparently he is a quality left back who is also good at CB and midfield and he thinks could take over from Baines no problem.
Does anyone else know much about him?
Could it be a possibility?

Red Daz.

13 Jul 2012 14:43:13
does anyone know the release date for the new away kit ?????

Thanks for the overwhelming response guys, why do i bother.

Maybe try Google?

M.D.

13 Jul 2012 14:06:56
All the latest rumors are about attacking wide men or strikers but surely a more central minded midfielder is required? news on berba leaving has all but disappeared and now PSG look likely to get Ibrahimovic, they wont need berba too? so that leaves us with 4 strikers with the likes of young, valancia, nani, giggs, cleverly, kagawa and now powell as attacking midfield options. i can see us playing a 4-2-3-1 formation next year with carrick and scholes being the only players to play as the holding 2 in midfield. Phil jones is an option to play there, however i still think we need another. Baines at left back looks certain if you read all the rumours but think an out right centre mid is what we require. Thoughts?

Powell will be used as a central midfielder, Cleverly is a central midfielder as is Anderson, Giggs, Scholes and Carrick. So what you are saying is wrong. Regardless, we need a midfield signing to improve the quality of the position, not the numbers.

RedDevil19

13 Jul 2012 13:54:07
I've been on this site everyday since the season ended and have been thoroughly entertained at times. I just wanted to post something as i get very confused about peoples views of the Glazers and if they are good, bad, dont know either way etc. Now i'm no pro Glazer person but neither am i an anti Glazer person either. I've never been happy with the debt that was placed on the club by the Glazers but they are business men and i dont blame them for doing so as if i could take over the Yankees the same way i would happily do it this minute. I blame Fifa, Uefa and most of all the FA for letting it ever happen in the first place. But i would like to know by how much the Glazers have increased revenue since they took over the club, they seem to me to have done a good job of this and that has meant the debt has not affected us too much. We have still spent money on good players and i believe that if it wasnt for Fergie's tight scottish background we would have spent more than we have. Now it looks as though they are looking to rid us of the debt in time for the next manager and FFP coming into effect. This can only be a good thing along with the increases in revenue as we will be in a fantastic position compared to nearly every other big club in england/europe. If it hadnt been for the debt put on the club we could have no complaints and if this debt is finally gone can we finally have a united club once more without some fans more intent on attacking the owners than supporting the team we all love. I have never understood why a certain group of our supposed fans deserted and began FC United, yes they may not have agreed with the takeover but is that really a reason to jump ship? I for one could never do that even if the club went tits up and we ended up in the 2nd division but then again i am a true red like so many others and have supported this great club since i was a toddler and City were finishing above us back in the 80's.

Sorry for such a long post guys n girls. Any comments welcome and no doubt the Glazer haters will be on slagging me off but i am a red, dont care who the owners are, where we finish in the league and who plays for us, i'm proud to have the badge on my chest, we have had much harder times in the past and no obe should ever forget how bad it can get (Feb 58 - never forget)

Brendan

Brendan I have not come on to attack you because you are obviously misguided or not very bright. It doesn't matter if the Glazers increase the revenue of the club if all the money is going out of the club and into their pockets. You really need to educate yourself as to how much money has gone out of the club and then think about if it had been spent on players or facilities. Oh yes and please please don't mention Feb 58 to try and justify arguments about those leeches. I AM KLOOT

I've got a comment - great post!

I'm Glazer-neutral like you but can see that so long as we clear our debt and remain reasonably successful in the mean time we will be in a great position. Obviously I'm against the debt in a big way but respect their ability to increase revenues so drastically. It would be interesting to see the figures of debt repayments v increase in revenue

I too have never understood the attitude of 'I'll just go and support another team because I don't like how things are run'. There is only one team, for me

Gav

IAMKLOOT if it was a test of who were brighter believe me you'd never get close. Its typical of someone who is so narrow minded, if someone doesnt agree with you they are obviously thick. Also, never ever say i use 58 as anything other than to show that times can be much much harder. It was nothing to do with the Glazers so read a post properly before commenting in future. I am a man united fan, not a trophy fan or an owner fan. I will support United no matter where we are or what we win unlike most people like yourself.

Brendan

Brendan

Well said brendan. I fully understand that the glazers have laden the club with debt and dont like the way they have spent the clubs money on repayments not players. However it has always been obvious that they are businessmen and thus need the team to be successful for the model to work. The obvious need to compete and thus the ipo to reduce/remove the debt is only because its what the business needs to maintain success and popularity (cash generation). The glazers dont support us they just intend to make money like any other business that said I always will support united and realise that the ipo is good for the club. Bookedredmole

Brendan I am sensitive about 58 as i have a relative who died in the crash and I don't see the point in you quoting it as a comparison to what is happening now. I AM KLOOT

Fair enough I AM KLOOT i understand how you'd be sensitive as i have also lost someone very close in very similar circumstances. There was mo disrespesct for the people who passed away its just that a lot of people come on here suicidal at the supposed state of the club when in actual fact things really arent that bad. We have some debt put on us by the owners but the same owners have worked hard and raised our annual income by £100+ million so really we are in no worse a position than before they arrived. If they hadnt come along we more than likely wouldnt have increased the income by so much so dont see such a huge problem. The only thing now is the FFP which will make things harder which is why they are trying the New York flotation which will pay off the debt quicker than originally neccessary. I am no Glazer fan but feel the bashing they get is at times harsh. But being yanks maybe they deserve it for that anyway :-)

Brendan

13 Jul 2012 12:43:49
Is it only me that was embarrassed with Fergie's press conference - show casing Shinji and Powell -with all the other big 4 clubs showcasing establised talent like Adebayor, Hazard, Giroud etc.

With the recent postings on here I thought I woud add what I feel is closer to the truth - we will not be makng any marquee signings - Hazard to Chelski, Motinho to Spurs, Modric to Madrid - should tell us all the real story at our beloved club.

We will only be signing players in the less than £20m category, if we are lucky. We can not compete with our contemporaries on fees and wages in this modern era of Citeh and PSG.

The reason for this is our own financial woes and the Glazers bulking at the situation with Berbatov - £31.5 m, £100k/wk wages and not used in almost 2 years, as well as deals such as Bebe and Owen.

I still believe that the talented young squad we have - Cleverly, Wellbeck, Hernandez, Jones, Young, Shinji and Powell will put in a valiant effort next season. But can't help but think what we would look like with a Sneijder, Motinho in the middle for us and another striker up front - Lewandoski, Benezma or Gomez type.

Baines will be our only other signing..... dismal for a club of our global standing and reputation......

Spot on mate, ive been posting on this site for a while now saying the same as you, and i have been slaughtered for it, people need to wake up, we cannot attract top class names anymore, fact.

Embarrassed at our signings? Kagawa is a 30million pound player with 4 or 5 years on a contract Powell is one of the brightest talents this country has aswell ..... Adebayor is losing it he has the odd good game and Giroud is so over rated its hilarious ... We are smart in the market where others jump at the gun and just offer as much as possible

Owen was on a free and a pay as you pay deal?
JF

Adebayor and Giroud are hardly anything to write home about. Kabaka got player of the season in the Bundesliga, do you forget there's player like Robben, Gomez, Muller, Ribery, Hummels etc all playing in that league?

I'l rather have Kagawa and Powell than Adebayor and Giroud. Moutinho to spurs and Modric to Real Madrid are far from done.

REDFAITH

Wow nice back handed dig at the greatest manager that ever lived! Yes Fergie has made mistakes in the transfer market what manager hasn't But never forget this is the man that plucked Ronny, Chicharito, Ole and the like from obscurity and turned them into United legends.buying players is never an exact science some work out (the majority in fergies case)and some don't.If what we have read is true we have made major offers for players like Hazzard and Modric and i believe a delegation is out in Brazil talking to Moura's people, hardly the actions of a club that is dying on its arse. Of course i am not naieve enough to believe that the debt on the club does not impact on team affairs and matters probably do have to be budgeted and handled with care and caution,but i can tell you one thing there is no one i would rather have steering this ship than the great SAF himself. How do you know that Kagawa will not be a total revelation and that Hazzard will not live up to his overinflated opinion of himself.The quiet and dignified response Shinji gave at his press conference yesterday were in stark contrast to the "tweet every detail to the world" and act like I've actually achieved something in the game attitude of hazzard. i knew who i was pleased with when the deals were done.This so called worst United team under Fergie got 89 points last season and were pipped on goal diff, We will have our skipper back(as good as any new signing)and with a few tweaks the Red lion will roar again.

Ah so we have to sign a 'big name' for it to be worthwhile.

I am starting to wish we had been chasing Kagawa all summer and finally managed to get him at the end of August, that would have pleased the fans more, as we signed him up early everyone forgets and wants lots more signings.

We need 2 new players, Baines is one and a midfielder is another, if we get one I would be delighted and think we have the squad to fight on all fronts.

GDS

Giroud and Adebayor are hardly marqee signings are they.
Kagawa looks like a great talent and alot of clubs were looking at him and he chose United.
Powell is a buy for the future but there is no guarantee that he will turn out to be a really good player but Fergie must have seen something in him.
I do sort of understand where you are coming from. My main worry is that Center of Midfield area, still no sign of anybody coming in and i like you do believe that Baines will be the only other signing which is worrying because we will have to watch another season of Scholes playing 30 plus games, Ryan Giggs continiously giving the ball away, Anderson playing his usual 10 - 15 games a season because he's always injured and who knows how long Cleverley will stay fit for?
Fletcher in my opinion is finished!
The only main stay has been Carrick who is nearly 32.

Simmo

Some fans make me embarrased to be a red, if we had paid £35 million for Kagawa and £20 million for Powell you'd all be at home beating one off about them but because we were shrewd and got them at fantastic prices they aren't good enough, what a bunch of brain dead numpties some people are :-)

Brendan

Haha OP I have to hand it to you, your post made me laugh. Established talent and Giroud in the same sentence is just funny. He has had 1 good season and he is established? Yet you are embarrased about Kagawa despite him having been outstanding in the Bundesliga for the last 2 seasons.

Regardless if we sign anyone else or not we have made 1 top quality signing in Kagawa and signed 1 future star in Nick Powell for a combined maximum of just over 20 million. Good business in my opinion.

Rjmanutd

13 Jul 2012 12:15:03
What about Younes Belhanda? He can play CM.

MelonRed

13 Jul 2012 11:45:05
Has there been an outbreak of crack smoking on this site I wasn't aware of ?

Cleverley + cash for RVP ?
Carrick + cash for Modric ?

Yep let's strengthen our midfield by getting rid of 2 of our best midfielders!

Slightly different argument in letting Anderson go in a similar swap deal as unfortunately he hasn't produced the goods. He looks set for one more crack of the whip though judging from manutd.com comments.

As much as I love this site (especially when Jenny posts :) ) I can't wait til 1st September either!!


Halesini

Why have you got any? ; )

Gav

13 Jul 2012 08:52:31
While I've said before that I don't think we need a player to act solely as a defensive midfielder Sky are running a story saying the scousers are looking at Igor Denisov, might be worth a shout and wouldn't cost a fortune like most mentioned on here either which suits as we don't seem to have much left in the kitty, he's very experienced and a tough tackler which is what you want from a DM.

Flimbo

How many of Liverpools last 10 signings would get in our team?

GDS

Based on ability, I reckon 3, Jose Enrique, Suarez and Craig Bellamy, what your point?

Flimbo

Also, how many of our last 10 signings would get into Barcas', Reals' or Citys' side?

Flimbo

Bellamy? Really??

GDS

He might be getting on a bit but hes' still a good player, think Giggs and Scholes and you will see my point! Hes a better player than Macheda and Chicharito on his day in my opinion

Flimbo

13 Jul 2012 08:22:43
Now that modric looks destined for Real Madrid and assuming that moutinho wishes to re-unite with Villa boas, who do You people think will we look to sign?Like fergie said, not many around who can improve us and those who could have are either moving elsewhere or are not available.Any idea ED's?

RED DEVIL FOR LIFE {Ed002's Note - I am sure folks will have plenty of ideas.}

Mauroune Fellaini
Yann M'villa
Thiago Alacantra

Them boys would be my top 3, any one of them would improve our squad.

Cban

Nobody. Us fans will have to accept that the supposed 'biggest club in the world' have again tried and failed to improve on the position even SAF has admitted needs TLC.

We don't have the money to sign the CM we need, unfortunately. Some of us have been saying this for years. But apparently trying and failing is good enough for some.

RED_SKY

Here comes Sneijder...

Gar

Thiago is too similar to Kagawa so wouldnt work we need Javi Garcia he is top notch

I am of the opinion that we needed 5 signings this summer. We have our CAM in Kagawa and a youngster to effectively replace Pogba so I would still think 2CM's 1 to bolster the quality and 1 to replace Fletch. With the 5th signing a top LB (Baines).

The squad as a whole could do with a couple of replacements so youngsters like Tunners, Petrucci and Powell can take over from Giggs, Ando and Carrick eventually but that could be 12-24 months away. Smallings squad place will need filled in 12 months when he takes over fully from Rio and a young striker like W Keane should take the fourth striker spot when fit again.

so there is the future progression but right now with Scholes and Giggs only capable of covering the amount of games 1 youngster could, Ando consistently injured (even when not he consistently fails to deliver imo), Fletch more than likely finished, Clevs still not fully integrated into the team and Carrick who can do a job but still gets exposed under pressure.

That's a pretty weak midfield. We have seen recently the manager has pulled Rooney back, Jones forward, Park inside, Rafa forward just to fill gaps when struggling with an injury or 2. So with no reinforcement in there we will be just as exposed as the last few years against average CMers.

With Mods and Moutinho looking at moving to other clubs where does that leave us? In a position where every man and his dog can see we need a CMer of top quality and yet Fergie seems to have all his eggs in a clearly Madrid bound Modric shaped basket. I for one hope to high heaven he does have a plan B,C and D if needed. There are enough CMers that will be or can be made available if we stump up the cash that will improve our quality but as has been highlighted the managers stubbornness could see him throw his toys out again if he doesn't get his way with Modric then stick with what we have.

If so we are further behind than last year imo. No sign of Fletch, Park gone, Powell new to the set up, Giggs/Carrick and Scholes older by a year. IMO we need 1 or 2 in there and can use Giggs, Ando and Scholes sparingly (if Ando is even with us).

Players like Cabaye, Strootman, Witsel, Khedira, Sahin amongst others are likely to either be available now or will be if we pay what is needed. I really hope we sign a minimum 1 CMer but am really hoping for 2.

Jono

13 Jul 2012 06:30:53
Isn't it funny over the years how we have almost given our players away to Everton, Neville 3.5mil, Saha Free with money based on goals etc and Gibson for what was rumoured 2mil and when it comes to selling us a average left back they try to hold us to ransom... If I was Fergie then I would just not bother negotiating and make sure in future we have no other dealings with them..

Nathana Se7en

Disgusting right

a1tjw

How mate are we holding you to ransom, Sir Alex hasnt put a bid in for Baines its all paper talk,most of us Everton fans respect and have time for man u and we share 1 thing we hate the kopites,so do me a favour lad dont try and course a rift between us fans until you know all the facts. Blue

I don't agree...
The players were past their prime when we sold them or offer very little to us.
But we approach them for THEIR best players Rooney, Baines...
Either way they are contracted to Everton and they can deal it in their own way...
And we didn't sold Ronaldo for less right... he was a world class player right... but i think you understand my point

AJ

They sold Rooney to us! That's why we have given them fair deals.

BornInToIt

I think thats more to do with the fact that united are selling players they no longer have a use for to everton whereas they are selling us there best players.

Yea, How dare they try to get the best price for one of their star players.............

CnM

13 Jul 2012 02:46:42
I keep hearing we are way off city/Chelsea!!

I think with goal difference being the deciding marging last year an the lose of our most influential player our captain out for a big chunk of the season, we will be fine going into this season.

I think if we would of spent 30 million on kagawa people would be raving about what a great signing we was. The fact we got him at a fair price people are underestimating him.

If we can keep ando and Clevs fit we have 2 very good cm's at great ages.

If we sign baines which looks likely , will be used as a bit part winger, which will give us more defensive stability (which we needed badly last year).

I am not worried about ManCity or Chelsea or any other club for that matter... All I am worried is the quality of our game is not what it is used to be... Maybe a fully fit squad can prove this wrong

I hope the coming season will be exciting for us to watch our club play with style.

AJ

13 Jul 2012 01:08:36
People get carried away with their pessamism on this site
Lets look at reality-we lost the title last year on goal difference-this year we get vida back,hopefully ando n cleverley can stay fit(dont forget they were on fire before injuries last year)
De gea has got a year under his belt n wont make the mistakes he did early on last season
Scholesey mite not play every game but Was the player of the year from january onwards and still has a big part to play this year
Add to that kagawa and for the lesser part powell n maybe baines-lets face the reality we are twice as strong as last year
Scholes maybe ageing but i can gaurentee he will still be one ov our top performaers this year
Stop bitching-realise wot we ave got rather than who all you armchair managers think we shud have

It should tell you something when you highlight 38 year old Scholes to hold our midfield together.

Most of last season people said City hadn't done it and could fall with the pressure, sure they nearly did but now they won it they will have gained confidence and will strengthen as well. It will be harder for them to be the team to beat but we will watch them win it again if the right 2 or three further players don't arrive. We will struggle with second as well, remember it took us dropping to third in years gone by before SAF pushed on.

It is not bitching when we can see the needs we have only to be told maybe one more. We now can see the financial problems highlighted and that is no longer acceptable

Red Man

We only just lost the title but it was a poor league last year , the standard at the top of the table was no were near what it has been over the last 10 years.
Our performance in europe was a concern we struggled in nearly every game and were given a lesson by bildao, which when you consider only a couple of years ago we set THE standard is a concern.
jred

Anderson and Cleverley played well for 3 games last season so to say they were on fire is an exaggeration, if you think we are going to win the league and CL with those 2 as our main midfield pair thats fine but there is a thin line between optimism and delusion I'm sorry to say.

Flimbo

That's the spirit mate. Dig a bigger hole in the sand to fit your entire body, while you're at it. Exactly the sort of spin Gill would be proud of. Wake up mate - if City were more experienced, they'd have won the title by February. Without SERIOUS reinforcements, we're gonna be competing for 4th this season.

RED_SKY

Yes scholes mite be 38 but was still class last year.i understand the need for a replacement but in the short term,if we dont get one,we ave still got the best in the business 38 or not

Cleverley and Anderson played well together all through the preseason tour and in the Shield as well as those "three games". Not saying they as a pairing are good enough to compete with the best team, but they are good enough to open up and destroy the weaker teams. I still want us to sign a Modric, but will not panic if we don't.

Sydney!

"Not saying they as a pairing are good enough to compete with the best team" Ok then you agree with my point then?

You're posts can be quite tedious at times

Flimbo

13 Jul 2012 00:00:20
M.D. {Ed007's Note - If you start posting players we should sign off of that you will be banned!! :-)

Not even Morten Wieghorst?!

M.D. {Ed007's Note - I can remember big Greenock playing in the Hoops, he asked me for my autograph one day :-)

12 Jul 2012 23:54:13
has there been any speculation on Jack Rodwell? Fergie seemed pretty keen to sign him last summer...

12 Jul 2012 23:48:25
After seeing SAF press conference I think the only other player coming in will be Leighton baines. I know we dnt have the money anymore due to the double glaziers bt I think we needed to add 3 top players this year to keep with city next year! I see a bleak few years ahead. Wot do u guys think? Any optimistic comments would be much appreciated lol!

12 Jul 2012 23:38:35
gan

So no positives then? Or are "revenue generation and merchandising and sponsorship" truly the only joy you get out of supporting United? I don't think so.
I think you missed the point of my post.
I just wanna see ngiak smile, gan! Sometimes! :-)

M.D.

12 Jul 2012 23:19:07
Definitley something.happening at old Trafford, marketing and pr still at work at 11 pm , must be looking at something ! {Ed007's Note - Videos of Kagawa's girlfriend................

I think thats probably the same reason we're all still up! She makes a great sandwich, apparently :-)

Flimbo

Haha Bond, you're married, and I'm sure Mrs Moneypenny reads the site. You're well fudged now LMAO.

G.A.G.U.S {Ed007's Note - Just don't tell 002 she gets jealous when I watch stuff like that and it's not 'our' movie. Especially when she is away on her travels.}

12 Jul 2012 22:08:15
This is a quote tonight from the MEN. It will make Sydney shudder because Manchesters own paper suggests money is an issue something Sydney has consistently denied is an issue.

Ferguson refused the opportunity to reveal even which position he was looking at, just as a Reds official quickly moved on from potential questioning over that IPO, which is intended for launch in the United States in the coming weeks. It was that move which contained the phrase "our indebtedness could adversely affect our health and competitive position", which was the first official admission that the massive debt burden the Glazer family have lodged against United could be a problem. Futures That debt currently stands at £423million, although no explanation was ever offered as to how the Glazers managed to pay off £249million of high-interest payment-in-kind notes in 2010.

It needs to be said that this is quite unusual because MEN journalists rely on a close relationship with the club and rarely are so critical and this is subtle but clearly critical.

SAF must know one more is not enough and perhaps this is the first time there is criticism so openly but I note there is no proclamation from SAF of how great the owners are

Red Man

Oh dear god - it is as bad as the Kremlin watching in the good old days !

Mike

Red man
on the same day andy green has said in his blog that the family are struggling to pay the interest on the money they borrowed to pay of the PIKs.
its claimed the the money borrowed is tied in the the amount of debt at the club and like the original pik if the debt doesnt come down the interest goes up , only this time it is the glazers paying not the club.
the other rumours icoming out of the US about the Glazers is that Darcie, Edward and Kevin don't like having wealth tied up in this pesky soccer club that Joel, Avram and Bryan are so fixated with.
jred

Redman have a look at the latest andersred blog he gives his oppinion of what he thinks is happening very interesting reading.
johndenton

Red Man, I have never said that money isn't an issue, but we will never be able to compete with the sugar daddy owned clubs and we will always struggle to get players who RM and Barcelona badly want to sign debt or no debt. I have always said that I believe there is money to sign top players and I still believe that. I think people suggesting we never had no intention of signing Hazard and we have no intention of signing Modric are talking nonsense. Money is there, but not there to blow on any player. I also think we would learn more about the manager's intentions when players like Berbatov, Kiko, Anderson etc are moved on. I get the feeling we are struggling to offload our 'deadwood' as many call it. I also think much depends on Nani too. Will we receive an acceptable bid for him? Then will he want that particular move? I think the manager's comments yesterday of 1 maybe 2, maybe based on if the squad stayed the same. If Berbatov is sold or Nani is sold then we will see more activity than 1 or maybe 2 signings.

Sydney!

Jred, just adds to my opinion that they are not doing this IPO to produce more funds for us. I have no doubt in my mind that the current cashflow isn't that bad and I did say they are doing this for some other reason. Like I said I do not believe our spending will improve a great deal or the wage bill.

Sydney!

Syd
No your wrong again pal I think your really need to have a look into this
Cos your way of the mark pal , just wait and see, in the mean time keep banging that drum
Jred

Jred, Wrong? How?

Sydney!

Sydney

Why have we not replaced Ronaldo yet? Why has Park, Pogba, Morrison, Fryars, Gibson and Owen been allowed to leave and replaced by Kagawa and a youth from Crewe?

Flimbo

12 Jul 2012 21:41:31
ok,who do you think is best holding mid in prem lge at the moment. me and brother disagree,just want to know who yous think,cheers {Ed007's Note - Did this disagreement take place while your mammy was bathing you both? I suppose it's better than splashing bubbles in each other's faces, that only leads to trouble.}}

12 Jul 2012 21:25:54
So Andy Carroll and Jordan Henderson (55m) cost more than Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva (51m)... Mental.

Dylan