Manchester United Banter Archive June 13 2013

 

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13 Jun 2013 21:25:05
if we can not get lewandowski we could do a massive blow out on bale for 90 million plus rooney

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You would value Bale at 115-125m?
What planet are you from?

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That sounds like an excellent idea. Why don't we make it free entry to the ground while we're at it. We could loan RVP to Crystal Palace - they're going to need some help next year.

Right, I'm off to buy a kebab for £1M.

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No chance he's on£200 grand a week
Dylan

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Congratulations, possibly the most ridiculous post so far. So you are valuing Bale at £110M to £120M?

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AvidDevil -

You would value Rooney at £25m-£35m?
What planet are you from?

redseven

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And then he plays a few games and gets injured. Money well spent, Eggs in one basket comes to mind.

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Dodgy I salute you, in tears ha.

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Redseven,

I don't think we would accept a bid below 25m for Rooney and clubs like PSG would probably spend up to 35m on him if players like Fernandinhobare valued at 30m

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Rooney is valued at £25m-£35m.

Surely?

Sydney!

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13 Jun 2013 19:50:55
Am I the only one concerned with the number of posts starting with 'am I the only one concerned'? Just asking

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Glad you were just asking AJH, I was expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

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Am I the only one concerned with what AJH is saying?

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13 Jun 2013 21:02:35
Real want £90m for Ronaldo which will pursue them to let Ron go to UTD. I think we couldn't afford that from my side the deal is off. :[


Aly

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We could easily afford it - but we will not pay it.

redseven

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13 Jun 2013 17:09:17
Ed, Everyone seems so sure that Ronaldo wants to come back to United, Can you confirm, United are trying to re-sign Ronaldo, And do you think this dream could come true?

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13 Jun 2013 20:45:45
I truly believe Ronaldo is being treated as a separate issue to the clubs plans.
What I mean by that is we have our targets, the new manager has an idea of who and what he needs and we are pursuing them.
Personally I believe Thiago and Strootman.
If Ronaldo was available though, if Real cannot get him to sign a new contract or if they do sign Bale, I think we would have the money for him.
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there was something in place when we sold him. also I think he would be open to a return, he is adored by our fans (most of them).
Ferguson always used to say something along the lines of 'we weren't in the market but when a player like that becomes available '.
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RP

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13 Jun 2013 20:41:31
lets face it, Ronaldo is not going to leave madrid clearly they are using this situation to get the best possible contract I don't believe he ever wanted to leave why would he? a goal a game a superstar in madrid and if reports are to be believed over half a million euros a week is what he is being or going to be offered! I love him but let's not kid ourselves here he's going nowhere!

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He might leave to the likes of PSG.

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13 Jun 2013 20:39:39
Hi guys, if lewandowski were to sign, do you see that as the end of rooneys stay? Or do you think we will lose another?

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If we signed Lew then that would be the end for Rooney. He may be sold regardless, but I would say it's HIGHLY unlikely he would stay if Lew is signed.

Sydney!

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Agree with Syd - hence why I am hoping that we do not sign Lewandowski!

redseven

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I would swap Rooney for Lew in an heartbeat. Rooney is in decline whilst Lew is on the verge of becoming a very very good player. RvP & Lew beats RvP & Rooney hands down. However RvP (2011-13) & Rooney (2009/10) would have been a very special partnership.

Sydney!

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If we sign lewendowski then think it could spell the end for Hernandez or wellbeck.

swapping rooney for lewendowski doesn't really strengthen the squad (cue discussion whether Rooney is better than lewendowski) but swapping Hernandez and particularly wellbeck does.

the treble winning side of 99 had four fantastic strikers who were interchangeable without there being a drop in quality. we need to emulate that.

Andrew b

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13 Jun 2013 17:13:06
Ed002, What are the chances of United signing Ronaldo? {Ed002's Note - Measured how?}

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Inches.

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13 Jun 2013 16:37:58
Hi Ed,

sorry to bother you with details about contracts, but I find it to believe.
Some news outlet states, and it was rumoured before here in germany, that Lewandowski has signed one (or two) contracts with Bayern München already and that Manchester United would have to pay compensation should they sign him.
I am aware of the fact such compensation would have to be paid by the player who signed the contract, but he would want the money from the club he signs afterwards, obviously.

My question is: Shouldn't such a contract, should it even exist, be "tapping up" and be therefor be void. And shouldn't Bayern be punished by UEFA or FIFA or all of them :D for such behaviour?

Thank you for clearing this up.
And please be kind enough to clear it up, even if such a contract does not exist, you could still teach me in theory ;-) {Ed002's Note - He cannot sign a contract with another club.}

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Thx for the clarification.
Just as I thought.
Keep up the good work, pls.

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I read somewhere that he had signed two agreements to sign a contract with Bayern - but I'm not inclined to believe it.

I'm not to big on the rulings regarding tapping up - but the situation you describe sounds a little like that involving Obi Mikel, Manchester United and Chelsea.

redseven

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13 Jun 2013 16:36:03
12 Jun 2013 09:13:34
ed002, do you have any updates on nampalys mendy as I remember you saying we had no interest but there are a lot of rumours ssying we are now, have things changed and we are involved or is it just paper talk, thanks in advance.
mick the red fireman. {Ed002's Note - I got caught up in the ATC strikes in France so I never got to dealing with this. }
dear mr mick the red fireman
ngiak believes this has got to be an Internet prank
he is not even good enough to play in the championship
someone must have started a rumor by adding the fact that man united need a midfielder + looking for youngsters + he was on a free and made the connection
ngiak would not buy him with a barnacle from his left flipper
he is terrible!
gan

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I have never seen him play myself. What is your opinion on Strootman Gan out of interest as amongst the madness I like some of the views you say actually, penguin respect
Invisible stuey

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Again this morning Strootman is linked to an Italian club, no matter which paper or media website it is, they always value him at £8m. Personally I see him at around £12m, but English media tend to link him to us for £17m/£18m. I think it would be closer to £8m than £18m personally. I guess we may know more a week to ten days from now.

Sydney!

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I said he will end up in Italy
Dylan

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13 Jun 2013 09:59:28
Ed002 - I've seen you post regarding the FFP regulations which was very informative and has helped many with the understanding.

I was just wondering given the massive amounts of money being spent or rumoured to be spent by the likes of Monaco, Man City, Chelsea, and other clubs where the money is coming from a wealthy owner, has some sort of loophole been discovered?

Given the punishment dished out to Malaga, albeit not directly related to FFP, it appears that UEFA are serious about them. It is difficult to imagine that some of the clubs will not fall foul of the rules given the sums being spent.

Adz {Ed002's Note - There is no loophole. Malaga did not get ounished for spending too much.}

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Thanks Ed002

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13 Jun 2013 17:51:21
I know a lot of you girls are getting very excited about Ronaldo coming back but I just want to remind you that even though he is a brilliant player and he definitely is. He wanted to leave us he didn't want to wear the red shirt he was desperate to become a White Angel. It was his boyhood dream. This is not an anti Ronaldo player far from it he will always have a place in all our hearts because of his performances but I would just like some of you to calm down a little. This is not the Messiah returning. This is a footballer who knows his value commercially looking for that one last big deal. let's spend the money on world class players who hear a little boy inside them telling them to play for Manchester United

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Kloot, agreed. I'm fed up of hearing about ronaldo. just let us know if he signs for utd. until then let's make this a ronaldo free zone.

Andrew b

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Couldnt have put it better myself KLOOT
Love the guy but £100m+ in transfer and wages could be used a lot better.
Some sense at last regarding ronnie

BABY FACED ASSASIN

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I agree with you on this kloot, unfortunately at the minute I don't hear any world class players saying they want to play for us

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Kloot you are a romantic! Little boy? Wear "the shirt?" Nooooo. mainly it is about dosh mate. Foreigners are unlikely to have the love of the club we have (I was born in Old Trafford and moved to Stretford) - they weren't!
However, Ronaldo does seem to hold "some" affection - only 'cos he spent some time hear and still has some friends here (Rooney?) So we will see. But their agent's "guidance" will prevail.
Steve

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Ronaldo is quite possibly the best player ever to play football. Certianly the most complete. That on top of the fact that he is a United legend means United fans are perfectly entitled to be excited about his potential return. I personally don't think it will happen, but not fair to criticise people for dreaming.

GRD

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Yeah, let's reject the chance to sign the best player in the world. In the meantime, we can bet the future of the club on brilliant, "fulfilling boyhood dream of playing for Utd", Danny Welbeck.

If Ronaldo was looking for a big payday, he'd be at Monaco or in Russia. We cannot even match what Real currently pay him. If he does return, he'd be doing so because he genuinely wants to play for us again.

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Great post mate getting bored with all this he was never coming any way just the papers trying make money out of us united don't splash out on over priced players sooner have 3/4 qty players like baines hummels modric alcantara gaitan coming in

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Who's that then Kloot?

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Hi Kloot

But the way I have read things in the past is, the only reason Ronnie signed for RM is because he Dad always wanted this when he was alive, rip, and also he's mother wanted to see this in her lifetime, which just proves he has morals and respects he's parents wishes, what a legend, even if he never signs for us again he will always be a true red, sorry for no name yet but it will be posted as irishcanadian

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Quality post Kloot. I couldn't agree more.

Simmo

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Don't agree, he always had a dream to play in white, he has now done that! He never made a secret of the fact he missis united, and how much he loves the club! Maybe he truley does want to return "home" as he refers to it. and I for one would give him a piggy back all the way to sunny Manchester

Alex Fergusons Condom

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Hear what you're saying Kloot, but there is a little boy in me wanting to see Ronaldo running down the wing in the Red of Manchester United again.
It would be his last big move I imagine, so he'd be back for a few years and attract some great players.
Can't see it happening myself but allow me to dream.
Remember when Scholesy used to ping that 30yd diagonal ball to his feet and the whole stadium stood up with anticipation?. I miss that!
Flyhalfmitch.

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Although I think you have good intentions here KLOOT I fear you have gone wrong with your thinking.

My point is, which world class player's are there that hold a stronger attachment to our club than Ronaldo himself (other than the 1 or 2 we already have). Do you have any names as suggestions?

I fear this is a flawed plan from the outset. Having said that, I only see Ronaldo staying at Real after a big pay rise.

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Kloot
Cannot dispute your point, it's what makes our club stand apart however this lad stayed a year longer played his heart out showed in champs league with his whole persona that he didn't enjoy the experience (almost guilt) when they knocked us out, he's no manc that fired off he's a Southern European who like us fell truly in love with Manchester United and for that deserves the respect if he wants to come back.
Don't forget when Sir Alex arrived he had star players who didn't share Ronaldos respect!
On the lash round Sale they took the Micky but that went in those days, got away with because we knew no different but today these Utd players can't go on holiday without a snap shot getting out of a fancy car/hotel with their partners and people like us slagging um off.
Their far more professional than our heroes ever were so please give the greatest player that I've seen at OT and that includes Besty whose proved his class in Spain the chance to grace that hallowed surface in our shirt
Love
Dylan

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Well no one can say he still doesn't love Manchester United because when playing city he had made in Manchester on his boots, he was near tears when he returned and he almost looked sorry to score. We shall always love Ronaldo and I feel if he returns we have got the clubs greatest player back.

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GRD There is nothing wrong with dreaming. However Ronaldo is not the best player to play for United. George Best was. I have watched both for most of their home games and their is no doubt. Best could do everything - Ronaldo most.
Steve

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My only point here is that while many people are saying we can spread that money out over many players, we can only fit 11 on the pitch at any point. We have more depth than any squad in the world (2-3 teams deep with competitive players) and have absolutely no need for quantity at all. We need 2-3 players of world class quality, not the backups we have been signing (Varela, Garay) in positions of NO NEED. Does anyone honestly think that adding one CM and random bench players to our squad gets us to Bayern's level? Not a chance. We need an elite CM and another elite attacker (Ronaldo/Bale) to be real contenders for the European trophies we want to win.

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13 Jun 2013 17:28:06
Fabregas very clear today that he has no intention of leaving his beloved Barcelona. End of speculation methinks.

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Unless Barcelona decide to sell him.

Sydney!

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Why just because he said so? I don't think so. It may not be his dream to come and play here but it is ours to see him in a United shirt, and we won't just stop posting about him coming to OT just because of some personic comment he gave when he was drunk.
He better change himself because we at United don't like this kind of attitude and he might end up going to Galatasaray in a couple of seasons if the fans start to dislike him.

I Believe I Can Fly

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Correct Sydney but they won't let Cesc and Thiago both leave. Personally I think Thiago would be the better long term buy but the dream of getting them both is receding I'm afraid.

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I believe I can fly, do you really believe Fabregas makes " drunken comments"? I think you misunderstand the genuine nature of the man, he's Spanish,
loves playing in Spain for a great team, Barcelona, and I see nothing wrong in that.

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I agree Paulo regarding Thiago as the better buy. I seriously doubt we would have been after both anyway and personalyl I dotn buy into the rpess talk of us going for Fabregas either myself
Invisible STuey

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Paulo/Stuey, I think cesc would be the bigger coup for sure, but I have to agree with you both that Thiago will become the better player. Finders crossed we can nab him.

Sydney!

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13 Jun 2013 17:20:41
I wouldn't get too excited about Ronaldo's tweet. It could mean all rumours about him renewing or not are false. He didn't say he won't renew.

GRD

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Best thing to do with ronaldo is ignore him. frankly I'm fed up with his ego feeding look at me hystrionics and I'm bored with reading posts trying to decipher his intentions from what colour socks he's wearing today.

Andrew b

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13 Jun 2013 17:10:42
It is interesting to see us linked with a number of Latino players like Alcantara, Fabregas, Di Maria, Gaitan, Garay etc. Could this be the patern that Moyes goes for? I for love the style and the flare, attacking play is what Manchester United are about and there are no better nations. Having signed Varela and already having a number of Spanish speakers in the team could Moyes be looking for these types in particular. I think they represent better value for money than British players and are also technically far better.

From Spanish / Latino countries we already have De Gea, Rafael, Fabio, Anderson, Varela, Bebe, Nani, Valencia, Hernandez. Some will no doubt leave, but could Alcantara, Garay, Gaitan etc be the next wave of South American / Spaniards?

I do however think that certain types of players are better suited to certain countries, for example Holland / Eastern Countries or Germany for central midfield enforcers.

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I would have thought the transfer targets were all lined up prior to Moyes' appointment?

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13 Jun 2013 16:18:25
Ronaldo has just posted on his official tw*tter and f*cebook accounts that rumours of him renewing at Real are false
Not going to get particularly excited about this because it's more than likely some person has hacked his account or something but you never know.
He could also just be trying to hold Real to ransom for a bigger payday

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I think it's the latter.

Sydney!

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All the conspiracy theories! Is there a possibility it might be true?
He's only confirming that he has not signed a new contract with Real. That's all!
Nomidfield

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He might just want more money and a bigger house. Doesn't mean he'll leave until he says he wants to leave.

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13 Jun 2013 15:53:34
I really do believe, when it's all said and done, that people will speak of David de Gea in the same breath of VDS, Kahn, Schmeichel etc. And I can say I told you so to those who dared to doubt him.

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I echo that m8, had many an argument on here about him (you know who you are ;) lol). Outstanding keeper.

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Every good game I have seen Dave play for United he has had Vidic protecting him. He doesn't look half the keeper with Rio and Johnny Evans infront of him. I would swap him for Joe Hart in a second and that was obviously Fergie's plan with Rooney.

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Hey G. A. G. U. S.

I like him and never doubted his potential. My issue was paying £17M for someone who SAF then seemed to doubt. It's also risky playing a GK with potential as every mistake can lead to a goal. I agree he will be great, let's hope he has bulked up further and imposes himself even more next year.

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Then you certainly have not seen his games at Atletico or for Spain U-21

ZigZag.

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And every good game for Spain kloot. Is vidic in front of him then?

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Ridiculous statement KLOOT. Hart is half the GK without Kompany in front of him!

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Kloot

I honestly don't see the fuss about Hart. Very overrated in my opinion.

And Vidic wasn't playing in the Bernabeu, now was he?

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Also, Kloot, David is 3 years younger than Hart. And Hart has made many more mistake than David this season.

De Gea > Hart

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What plan Kloot; to swap Rooney for Jo Hart?

DDG many times better keeper than Hart and is nothing to do with Vidic (any goalkeeper looks better with Vidic playing in front of him).

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Kloot, that is drivel. DDG didn't have have those boys last nyt did he. Outstanding saves.
DDG is better than The dandruff trail hart.

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Joe Hart was average at best last season, don't know what games you are watching.

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So I guess Vidic played every game last year? Do you believe what you are saying, Vidic didn't play in the first game at Madrid and DDJ was the player of the game.

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WOW KLOOT you must have had a bump on the head, you will be saying you love the Glazers next.

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KLOOT, does Vidic play for Spain u21's then? Did he play for Athletico Madris whilst DDG was there? Very strange comment.

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Kloot, yes that was obviously fergies plan. I think we all saw that coming - Rooney and hart in a swap deal. I mean the rumours about it had been circulating for months.

hart for ddg? glad you're not a utd scout.

Andrew b

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Is this the same Joe Hart that had two clangers against Southampton, and another against West Ham this season? I can count 5 goals he was directly responsible for this season alone. By the way he's 25 years old so it's not like he's still learning his trade. Bad enough the English media and City fans are deluded but now a United fan as well. I hope your post is down to sleep deprivation or mind-altering drugs because cause I can't think of another excuse where someone would talk such s****.

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Er how many soft goals did Hart concede last year? Beaten on his near post how many times?

Nowhere near the player the media make him out to be.

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De Gea still has weaknesses to improve of course he is still a baby in goalkeeping terms and stands head and shoulders above any other keeper I have seen in U21s. He isn't there yet as a great goalkeeper all round, he certainly is as a shot stopper and I am Kloot I would totally disagree and "obviously". really? In ten years time we shall have this argument again, Hart will be talked about as a great keeper for England still, De Gea will be mentioned in the same breath as the greats, that is my opinion anyway, only time will tell
Invisible STuey

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Kloot, Joe Hart had a shocking season last year. Worst than De Gea's first season for us. Never seen De Gea chuck one in his own net yet like Hart this season.

Djay

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13 Jun 2013 15:52:36
Cristiano Ronaldo has sparked fresh speculation over his future at the Bernabeu by Tweeting: "All the news about my renewal with Real Madrid are false. "

Haha, I love a little bit of speculation.
That tweet could mean many things though.
He could be trying to force Perez's hand to offer him an outrageous wage increase to become the highest paid player or he may truly want out?

Whether United has the intention of bringing him back we'll just have to wait and see!

I just have this feeling there may have been a buy back clause or we haven't spent the money he was sold for. But anyway that is just my opinion, please take it with a pinch of salt.

We can all dream sometimes; )

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13 Jun 2013 15:32:59
Looking as though City and Chelsea want to get there business done early this summer hopefully we do the same not really worried by City's 2 new signings Schurrle is a decent signing and looking as Cheksea are oushing hard for Cavani

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13 Jun 2013 15:30:33
Im sure There Are going To Be a lot Of Posts Regarding Ronaldos Tweet, But What Do People Think Of It?
JF

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He certainly knows how to tease you girls

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I Think That he's Trying To Get A Better Paying Contract. Btw Why Are You Writing Like That?

Nicolas_United

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It is what it is, he hasn't signed a contract yet that's all. It does show he's willing to play hardball with Real but I'm convinced he just wants a big enough pay rise from them TBH.

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Jf, who cares? its boring.

Andrew b

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Title Case Is The New sentence case

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13 Jun 2013 15:13:38
30 days until our first pre-season game, I wonder if thiago and strootman will be on it, I imagine we will unveil a signing on the 1st of july along with moysie is my guess.

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It would be great if on the day big Dave gives his first mu interview it is with strootman, thiago, varela and isco by his side.

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13 Jun 2013 14:33:34
Good signing that Schurrle better then Navas but how many attacking players do Chelsea want? Red91

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12 Jun 2013 22:42:50
How much of a possibility is Thiago this summer ed? Do you expect to see him in a united shirt come the start it the new season?, he looks a smashing little player who would imo bring the best out of kagawa because st current we don't have anyone on his wave length in terms of passing and Thiago fits the billl, thanks ed.

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13 Jun 2013 12:45:43
Mick, any of the players from the "group" can get themselves representation and join a club of their choice. Wellington was very much part of the "group", as was Lucas Evangelista, as is Bruno Gomes etc etc. Wellington has either been advised to join Anderlecht to steer him away from our clutches (like I feared would happen) or the move to Anderlecht MU are happy with.

Like I said, Lucas Evangelista was part of the "group" and he joined Anderlecht. We have first dibs on him when he turns 18. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we have first dibs on Wellington too when he turns 18. I think this is one of two things. He has left us completely and join Anderlecht at the wish of his agent or MU are well aware of what is going on and will use this move as a way of him getting a European passport.

I highly doubt Anderlecht would have more pull than us, especially when we took their best talent (Januzaj). I cannot see why a Brazilian would choose Anderlecht over MU having visited us on a number of occasions. So for me he has either been advised to join Anderlecht to get him away from our grasp or he is at Anderlecht with our blessing. And like Evangelista we have first option on him.

Sydney!

sydney, I don't want to embarress you but lucas evangelista is at sao paulo fella, he joined them on a two year loan deal in march, sao paulo own 30% of him, and can sign him permenant whenever they want, i'm sure you are aware that brazillians can't leave brazil until they turn 18 angway so it would be impossible for him to be at anderlecht, (bueno joins when he turns 18), now, bueno was never part of our group anx he joined anderlecht because he felt he could play more and they have a strong brazillian personnel there, mow please stop arguing with me about this matter as its obvious you are not up to date or you just posting whatever sounds like you know what your talking about when in this matter plainly you do not.
mick the red fireman.

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Mick, yes I can read the 'Sambafoot' website too. Evangelista had trials at Anderlecht and couldn't complete a move due to Sao Paulo claiming they have rights to him. I am not pretending I have inside info on this stuff, everything I know is from websites just like yourself.

Sydney!

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Wellington has gone to Anderlecht as he doesn't want to come to us or we are happy for him to go there - genius Sydney, "out of our grasp" is Anderlecht a safe house or something we can't find him in, though as from Micks comments you don't even seem aware which country some players are in within this petty argument (which you seem to be pwned in by the way) he is certainly out of your grasp I suspect.
Invisible STuey

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Mick,

You don't help yourself with the way you talk to people 'fella'.

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Stuey, I haven't been arguing with anyone. Mick is clearly a very emotional person and is getting hurt by my replies.

A month ago I mentioned on here that with Wellington having Ribeiro as his agent, I felt he would steer his client away from us.

I think it's possible that it has already happened.

Sydney!

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Leave him with the rope GDS he's making himself look a tool
Chris the REDman

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That could apply to either of them gds

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Sydney of course all my info is from websites and research of papers on line and such, also south american journos on tw***er, I've never once pretended it to be anything else, my beef was being told my original post was wrong by someone who obviously hadnt bothered to be well up on the subject, next time if you want to be pompous and slap folk down make sure your aware of facts and don't just make them up as you go along (lucas is at anderlecht and we have first option on him), GDS, i'm sorry if I've offended your obvious sense of etiquette.

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Syd your a goon

brapppp

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I like mick

Ross

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Brapppp, I think that's "you're", not "your".

Clearly I'm not the goon ;)

Sydney!

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Brapppp. at least spell it correctly if you're going to insult someone.

JK92

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Mick, I am confused as to why you are getting so irate over something so petty. Are you alright? Can a fireman really be this emotional? Do you put fires out with your tears ;)

Sydney!

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Absolute lack of class by Sydney always trying to make out ITK and then starts with smart ar5e comments when your found out

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13 Jun 2013 19:53:29
Sorry am I missin something here, when did syd say he was itk? Besides didn't I reed yesterday that mick said lucas was at andlerhct?

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13 Jun 2013 12:35:09
Just thinking back to the Real Madrid game and SAF's interview saying rafael had the biggest challange of his life marking ronaldo! Well personally I thought the performances in both legs just show the progression he has made from that rash player he was just a season before into what I think is one of the best full backs in the world! He's had a great season and is often overlooked by many pundits. That also goes for Jonny Evans! Our most consistent defender this season, 18 months ago I wasn't much of a fan of Jonny now I feel that he is a key player who I hope moyes continues to use properly like SAF did! I personally think Evans could be a future captain if ours and he's only going to get better!

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13 Jun 2013 12:31:56
Ezequiel Garay 26,

6ft 4" tall,

Likes to bring the ball out of the area. Good on the ball, technically very good. Would improve our midfield strangely.

If signed would be a good signing and a great addition to the team, but people think our priorities should lay elsewhere.

That maybe true, but let's not forget the window doesn't shut until September 1st.

Being Argentinian and us holding a strong interest in Gaitan & Di Maria. Could one of them pair be next?

Sydney!

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Drawback to our centre back players are they are always injured so another CB makes good sense that is if we don't offload one as is

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13 Jun 2013 14:51:13
Personally if we are to sign a central defender i'd prefer Mehdi Benatia. He's stronger in the air, quicker on the ground and almost as good at passing the ball out from the back. And he'd probably be cheaper. But hey ho. Lol.

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If you look at it, Vidic was out for the a hole year season before last. Ferdinand is on and off with his back. Smalling injures literally everything and missed a large chunk of the season. Evans is susceptible at times with his knees and Jones is still growing and has had a few spells on the side. We had to start of the season with Carrick at centre back, this is not the way Moyes wants to start his Old Trafford tenure. Its hard enough to take over from a man like SAF as it is, let alone start with no centre backs which could potentially happen as it did last year.
Also you have to remember that Vidic and Ferdinand will rarely play twice and week and the latter is set to retire at the end of the season. The move makes perfect sense.

Garay is a top player and has proven his worth for Benfica, he should be welcomed.

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Fresh!, I think you're the only person who knows what there talking about.

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13 Jun 2013 12:06:25
"We're happy not to have conceded but apart from the quality of the team overall, David was sensational in two or three incidents, we have to recognise that. "

- Spain manager Julen Lopetegui


WELL DONE AGAIN DAVE.

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De Gea was cracker yesterday against holland - free kick save from a ronaldo style kick was something else

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He was superb. his save he tipped onto bar was outstanding.

future best without a doubt. credit to whoever scouted him as he really is a true talent.

ms85

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Yeah, so why has Moyes sacked Steele? Mistake.
Nomidfield

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13 Jun 2013 16:57:33
I thought this was sorted. Steele retired, he was not fired, he left of his own accord. He was always likely to retire at the end of the season, then when Sir Alex retired Eric just confirmed what everyone else thought was likely and he announced his retirement too.

So can we stop blaming Moyes for Eric Steele making a decision to retire.

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Yes a huge mistake to LET someone retire! ;)

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Give woods a chance. I think he's improved howard at Everton.

Andrew b

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13 Jun 2013 11:51:39
helloo guys,

I just wanted to say its been quite dry on the rumours side of things.

we're just going to have to wait until moyes is appointed 1st july, only 2 weeks left.

Once that's done I think we'll start to make moves in the transfer market. Hopefully sign Thiago as I think we have a genuine interest and he is really good in his position along with strootman which will also be a good addition.

I just hope we sort our wings situation as this is what was our one of the two main problems last year along with midfield.
If we signed a quality winger such as Ronaldo bale ( these two highly unlikely), di maria, reus, isco, sanchez. i'd be happy with any of those, Garay would also be a good addition to our defensive line, Although we could do without another centre back this year and put those funds into other areas.

I also hope we get lewandowski if rooney does leave. Unless lewandowski only wants munich then we can't do much, itd be better if he goes if his hearts in munich. If we get the chance to sign him, itd be a great business and a very good replacement for rooney.


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You might be right Singh, but why wait for Moyes official appointment before doing anything? I'm sure Moyes is already working flat out even though he's on holiday.
I think we will get strootman and possibly a winger and that will be it.
Woodward has already said there is no need for major upheaval of the squad.
Nomidfield

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12 Jun 2013 16:22:39
The schizophrenic penguin making sense, madness, nice to see you back gan, joeyored {Ed007's Note - Nice to see you back Gan. }"""
dearest mr bond
ngiak missed you and is still waiting for your martini with olive date
and how's your gal miss 002?
mr joeyored
it brings a tear to the eye of ngiak that the "mature" audience still remember this little species
yep ngiak was glad to hear the above news. the team will surely be revamped with a good hardworking and professional bunch of defenders and midfielders soon
gan

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Welcome back Gan;

You seem to have had a long swim up from the south pole this year? not to harassed by those leopard seals I hope?

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Dear mr mike
ngiak and friends are too smart for those bully seals but the orcas are super dangerous
gan

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Alright gan mate?

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12 Jun 2013 16:13:01
Ed007 look at this team and say is it good or not
INS
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Thiago
Fabregas
Lewandowski
Strootman
Baines
Varela (Signed)
OUTS
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Scholes
Fletcher
Nani
Evra
Anderson
Macheda
CR7 will probably sign a new contract fellaini might go to arsenal {Ed007's Note - Not.}

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It will be superb, but cesc and thiago will stay at barca, lewi will go to Bayern. So it leaves us with strootman and a winger and possibly baines. If that is what happens, then no that will not be a great summer.
But let's see what happens!
Nomidfield

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Awful team, we couldn't field a team of 7 and expect to beat everyone ;)

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13 Jun 2013 08:28:17
Mufc will sing one midfeilder and on cb defender!

Strootman and a cb as jones is being moved into midfeild

Januzi is to be our back up on the wings to zaha young and valencia

Powell will cover for midfeild when needed!

Rooney will stay! anderson will stay!
Evra will stay!

Varela, zaha, strootman and the a cb!

4 players in nani out and that will be our summer dealings. Depending on funds and if anyone else is sold we may sign someone in late august!

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Who is this new winger januzi we have signed?

Januzaj is in the under 21s and isn't ready to step up yet but he's certainly not a winger so you can't mean him.

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Januzaj could be given a wing role to gain expeirence before moving inside

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How on earth would that be a good idea for his development?

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So is your original post exactly what will happen as you suggested? Should we shut the rumour site down as we know exactly who we are signing?

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13 Jun 2013 08:22:24
Am I the only one who thinks Strootman is overrated and btw he isn't playing DMF for the U21x so what makes you think in champions league against bayern he would be as good as Martinez. Manchester United should move for gustavo /gundogan
Lewandoski on his way to Manchester United this coming transfer window and thiago as well

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No you are not. Dylan bangs on about this in every post. :)

Kuala

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Strootman will be good but only if we can play him alongside carrick and a creative midfielders, is thiago or cesc or modric. I can't see any of these leaving their current clubs.
Might have to go back for sneidggeeer! Here we go again!
Nomidfield

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Could this be Dylan posting but not signing his post heh? Or even Dylans dad lol

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Overrated? Does his price tag reflect this tarnishing? I think not.
He is simply a good box to box player who will get better with more gifted players surrounding him creating space for him to run. He can put in a challenge too. United lack a no nonsense midfielder of this mould so IMO he is quite an improvement if signed.

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13 Jun 2013 08:02:57
I didn't realise but supposedly Cristian Tello also has a very low release/buy out clause according to some news outlets (so taken with a pinch of salt). Apparently its just 8.5m. I know a lot of you would like another winger. What about Tello? We could even make it a double swoop for Thiago and Tello. If we can get two of Barca's most promising young players for less than 25m, that would certainly represent value in the transfer market.

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I would be happy with that actually, when our only real targets are the unlikely bale or Ronnie or the not so popular options of di Maria and gaitan then yeah tello could be a good option

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From watching Tello a few times he looks like a Spanish Walcott.

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Tello for me is very similar to Henry in his playing style, but he has said countless times that Henry is his idol so that explains why.

he'll never be as good as Henry and I would much rather have Pedro. However I wouldn't say no to Tello.

Although what would we do with young Welbeck?

The Moon.

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Shappy, not being funny but you really do seem to want us to sign the most average of players. I don't think Tello is all that good, just as I don't rate Claudio Yacob who you advocated signing every day last year. We need better.

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I agree wiv Shappy, I believe Liverpool are after him. Some journalists see similarities between him and Ronaldo. He certainly wouldn't be an average signing, he's scored some crackers for Barca. I'd ditch Young in a heartbeat for him.
I near certain he was assured last season of a future at Barca when Liverpool tried like mad to sign him. Maybe an ed could shine some light?

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13 Jun 2013 07:52:51
Am I the only one concerned that we are signing or looking to sign more defenders. We buy a right back when we got Rafa, Jones, Smalling and Fabio that can play there. Then looking at garay we have vidic, rio, jones, smalling, evans and a couple of youngsters like wooton etc. Still don't see the need yet maybe a left back but then again we still have evra, buttner and fabio?"""
dear mr tucker
ngiak agrees that there are concerns in our current squad
but ngiak rather a right back play right back
jones and smalling are not right backs naturally and neither is valencia
rafa is injury prone and his brother. well. may flatter to decieve
rio is very slow and has been making mistakes, he also can't play the whole season.
vidic is getting injury prone and has been grumbling a lot about "leaving"
evans jones and smalling are a good young bunch but are not the finished article in centreback
evra? has been a liability in defence for the last 3 years. almost always out of position in almost every game
the strikers, scoring goals, and the other defenders have been bailing him out time and again
buttner and fabio. well. ngiak has seen better
so many of the youngsters have impressed ngiak
but they are leaving by the truckloads every season
ngiak believes moyes knows we have a great attack
a little tweak at the back and two good CM will do the trick for him
nani will probably go as will his buddy anderson (ngiak's ex fav player) cleverly is coming up very nicely and will be an england regular very soon without his injuries
fletcher has a chronic illness on strong drugs, the likelihood of him playing regularly are almost nil
up front we are strongest but with rooney being more difficult by the season one good player is required. welbeck and chicarito are good back ups.
and finally moyes
ngiak believes a great team has to be built from the back and the deadwood has to be removed
this is the best opportunity to keep the core and let go of the rest as sir alex's sentimentality sometimes gets in the way of clear obvious poor players hanging around and playing
ngiak expects a lot of positive changes!
gan

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Well said Mr Gan.

I agree with most of what you wrote, but especially agree with your last paragraph. I'm really looking forward to the coming months to see where Moyes goes with both the players and the playing style.

J Bones.

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Logical thoughts on the full backs Gan. Persoanlyl I thought Evra was ok last season and Fabio as a back up for a season to proe himself is no bad thing is it? The fact it took you about 10 lines to go through our defenders says a lot too, we have numbers there, we don't particularly in midfield and talkign of dead wood and quality am I the only one concerned about our lack of quality out wide in midfield? I see us linekd with Di Maria/Gaitan and don't see either happening personally, then again I don't with Garay either but the Eds seem so confident things are happenig there and the constant press rumours makes me wonder. The thing is apart from Bale/Ronaldo like bank busting transfers I would be surprised to see happening, hwat other viable options are there, another surprise name perhaps?
Invisible STuey

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13 Jun 2013 07:43:25
This could be a very busy transfer window for the CHAMPIONS.

INS.
VELARO 1. 2
GARAY 17. 0
STROOTMAN 16. 0
ALCANTARA 15. 0

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13 Jun 2013 07:40:22
Sorry for the randomness, I've been a bit quiet. Just seen some pictures of Rooney looking like he has lost weight. Let's see if he can keep it off through the close season.

On Lewandowski, his Agents have been talking again about Bayern. If what they say is true then we should move on and look elsewhere, it appears he is interested only in Bayern.

I didn't join in with Moon's predictions but I do believe we will sign at least 1, if not 2 midfielders. Flatcher may come back but sadly I can't see him being the player he was. Scholes has gone, Nani appears to be going, Anderson failed to impress yet again and Giggs is another year older. Powell may step up but I believe Moyes and SAF will know where the real weakness was last year - all across the middle. I don't have strong opinions on individuals but we do need 2, a ball winner / strong engine type of player, and a creative / makes things happen type. Tbh, getting a bit fed up with daily headlines about all the players we are after but hey ho, in 4-6 weeks it should all be settled.

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13 Jun 2013 11:06:40
I don't care if he looks like Kate Moss I still want him gone.

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Ajh, totally agree with you. It is dragging on. And I think most of it is just speculation. This garay move has been in the news for over five months. So if it is taking us five months to sign a £17m center back (who any benfica fan will tell you is good but not brilliant), then all the talk of making really big signings is just that, talk.
Unfortunately, all the money bags and the well run clubs, such as Bayern, go in and get their players quickly. But at united, we seem to drag out all the transfers for months.
So I don't expect any major signings this year, and if we do, then no one will be happier than me!
Nomidfield

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13 Jun 2013 07:28:59
Talk sport manchesterManchester United have made a gentlemen's agreement with Benfica to sign Ezequiel Garay this summer, according to reports in Portugal.

The 26-year-old has been tracked by the Premier League champions for some time but he looked set to return to Real Madrid, the club he left in 2011, after reportedly buying a house in the Spanish capital.

But now Portuguese newspaper Record have revealed that United have moved ahead of Madrid and are closing in on the Argentinean centre-back.

New manager David Moyes made Guillermo Varela his first signing at Old Trafford earlier this week and Garay looks set to follow swiftly.

But it has been reported that Madrid could be entitled to 50 per cent of any transfer fee so United could end up paying Benfica around £17m to land him.

Chris mufc

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12 Jun 2013 21:26:41
002, I was wondering if there has been any news regarding Thiago? Do you see him staying at Barca or moving to United?

Cheers {Ed002's Note - There is nothing new.}

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13 Jun 2013 07:17:12
Good mornings guys.
I want to draw attention to one point. If people remember when every1 was hoping for a midfielder I before any official statement said saf is not signing anybody because fletcher is back.
Now we all know he didn't lasted long. This tume same is happening. All are look8ng for 2 proper midfielder to come we are given the news that fletcher is ready to return. we all know in last matches of season we have nobody to even substitue properly.
Now this things worry me about glazers and board members who play such mind games at this time with fans.
I m admirer of fletcher

Rodio17

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13 Jun 2013 07:49:55
Sir Alex and David Moyes are different people. Moyes won't be making any decisions where emotion plays a part. Regardless of what happens with Fletcher I expect us to sign a midfielder or two.

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I don't believe Fletcher will ever be back to a fully fit premier league player. He will probably be involved in smaller games or in cup games.

We will see after this summer how the midfield signings go.

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Agreed, Fletcher was a good player for us, but he is never going to come back and be 100% like before.
This constant referring to his return is worrying, he looked short of a yard when he tried too come back last time, and I was really sad to see him struggle.
He's got a never say die spirit inside him that will take him a long way, unfortunately, I can't see him playing at top level again.
Nomidfield

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13 Jun 2013 05:34:10
Am I the only one concerned that we are signing or looking to sign more defenders. We buy a right back when we got Rafa, Jones, Smalling and Fabio that can play there. Then looking at garay we have vidic, rio, jones, smalling, evans and a couple of youngsters like wooton etc. Still don't see the need yet maybe a left back but then again we still have evra, buttner and fabio?

We lack 2 top centre midfielders, a left/right winger and a striker if Rooney leaves.

Everyone was going on about Mourinho being a negative manager playing style, I personally think Moyes is exactly the same. Hopefully I am wrong but a few Everton fans say his football was direct and defensive at times.

O well can't wait for the season to start all this speculation is so frustating, come on UNITED! UNITED! UNITED!

tucker

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We now have 2 actual RBs.

Fabio will probably be sold.

Smalling, Jones and Toni can now concentrate in their actual positions instead of being moved about.

Jones will most likely play midfield next season, plus with Rio more than certainly in his last season with United we're going to need to replace him, so why not do it now? give the player time to bed in and come next season everything will move along smoothly.

it looks likely right now that we're signing Strootman, Thiago, Varela, Garay and maybe Lewandowski - not to mention the possibility of a winger.

consider the position change of Jones to play infront of the back 4.

so next seasons midfield will have; Powell, Giggs, Carrick, Cleverley, Thiago, Jones, Strootman, Fletcher and possibly Anderson as well. - to me, that is pretty strong.

I think we're looking pretty good for next year.

Have you been watching United for the last 2 years? we're a defensive side! we play Counter attacking football, as do Mourinho's teams and Moyes' Everton.

In fact Everton played some beautiful football last year, even more so than they did with Arteta, Cahill, etc.

All in all I think we're going to be brilliant next year. a new level of fitness to press high up, a new system of play which looks really entertaining and a new Manager who I GUARANTEE will be a success at United.

The Moon.

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At 1.2mill varela was probably an extra addittion ie one for the future and at that price won't affect whatever we have in mind for major transfers. garay is a tough but decent ball playing centre back, rio is in his last year and with his back problems you don't know how that will go, vidic as good as he is, now starting to pick up a few injuries so who knows, smalling has a lot of potential but the game time he got last season he failed to impress in my opinion, and wooton I don't think is good enough for utd and won't be here long term.
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Hmm I was questioning the signing od Garay back in April WAY BEFORE Moyes wasnamed as next manager. What I find worrying is, exactly how much input Moyes is having in our signings as we are still linked with exactly the same targets.
Hopefully LINKED is all some of them are and Moyes gets the chance to pick his own signings.
Baines, Vidal (dream on Grund), Thiago, Ronaldo or Bale would be my dream signings, Strootman instead of Vidal and Di Maria or Gaitan instead of Ronaldo/Bale would seem more likely though.

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I am not surprised about a right back at all. I think that Fabio might not get a chance so therefore Rafael will be first choice with Varela second choice. Also, Vermijl is refusing to sign a new deal, so Varela could have been brought in because we are getting short of natural right backs at the club. This is a good move for me as I think Smalling & Jones need to be focusing on central duties.

As for centre backs. Ferdinand is to retire I think at the end of the season and Vidic has been injured a lot. This leaves us with only Smalling, Jones & Evans. None of our centre backs in fact have the best injury records, so bringing in another is sensible given the amount of times we have had to play Carrick at centre back the past two years. Whilst we seem to be well stocked numbers wise, the reality is that we are likely to have more and more injuries and a retirement at the end of the season.

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12 Jun 2013 23:45:35
Lads, I know some of you have been asking who has been released etc. and some don't know 100%. So, here's the only people - as of right this minute - that have been released.

Reece Brown
John Cofie
Michele Fornasier
Luke Giverin
Frederic Veseli
Luke Hendrie
Luke McCullough
Paul Scholes
Gyliano van Velzen

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I thought that kid Scholes was destined to be a great player, the lad looked promising.

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"I thought that kid Scholes was destined to be a great player, the lad looked promising. "

Got rid as Fergie / United were worried has he has a dodgy asthma problem which would have hampered his progress!

Red Snapper

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Turns out that kid Scholes is 39. Talk about age cheating

Lwi

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Apparently that young lad scholes was a bit lightweight in the tackling department :)
johndenton

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I wouldn't say Scholes has been released lol. Being released is a bit different to retiring.

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I don't know if that was supposed to be a joke or if it was sarcasm, but yes Mumbai, Paul Scholes was released. Surely you know he retired?

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Fresh, according to MUTV Paul Scholes has been "released".

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12 Jun 2013 22:19:40
This is a question for Sydney! if he's around and doesn't mind answering.

Why does everyone ask you random questions, rather than just asking anyone?!

In fact ED001. Could we have an ask Sydney! page?

;) {Ed001's Note - I would set it up but he would expect paying! }

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Dodgy,

This question comes up quite often, I think it is probably just to do with the fact syd posts on here almost every day so people who read the page will always see his name and see how passionate he is about the club.

He also answers questions with a very strong opinion that I guess sometimes would suggest he is ITK, if you write your opinions down in the correct way they can be very believable. (That isn't a dig syd, more a dig at some of the terribly written posts by people on here).

Sorry for getting involved here, I know syd will answer as well just thought I would throw my opinion as to why out there.

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I have no idea why people ask me questions directly or with the Eds. Perhaps because my name has been on here for years and I am free most days as I finish work at 9am. I have no inside knowledge of transfers like Ed002, but can sometimes find out stuff from the youth side. Like I know Vermijl is/was rejecting contract offers. I doubt this has been made public knowledge and probably won't be as it's not very interesting to the average MU fan. Mostly I give opinion and wind up Liverpool fans on their page ;)

Sydney!

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12 Jun 2013 23:55:08
"Gutted. I just looked it up and apparently in Spain a pat on the back means 'I don't like Manchester' : (

HoneyBadger"

Congratulations, I give you great credit for actually being able to fool two people into believing that this was the actual meaning of a pat on the back.

It gave me a great spell of laughter at the fact your obvious sarcasm was so obliviously overlooked.

I believe it's Gav if i'm correct? I applaud you Gav, thank you for making my night much more enjoyable as revision for A Levels is making it greatly unenjoyable.

Once again, thank you. {Ed003's Note - and your lack of ability to use a reply button means you should take a course on common sense}

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Who's looking like a fool now Mpez?

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Im lost lol please explain
Chris the REDman

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Lol, I try my best! I have been told my humour is so dry it's difficult to tell sometimes if I'm being seriuous :)

HB (Gav)

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Why is my reply to this not being posted? {Ed007's Note - Without you bothering your ar$e to be even leave a name I am just deleting all the anonymous ones on the hope of catching you you, now I know I've done that I can get back to be sensible.}

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I have to admit i'm a bit disappointed with the two editor responses to my two posts.

I didn't leave a name as you are automatically signed out on mobile devices after an hour or so, my mistake for that.

However, a blatant refusal of not posting my reply which I submitted a couple of times, which contained myself justifying why it was posted on here, as it had no reference to a rumour about Thiago, is quite unjustifiable.

If I had offended anyone, then yes foolish on my behalf, but when bantering with fellow United fans deems a response as such, frankly I feel offended.

I've been posting on this site since it began, and I would have thought there would be more respect for posters, especially when I have stuck up for the editors on numerous occasions. {Ed007's Note - Your posts are waiting for the appropriate Editor. Quit girning Mpez and man up ffs, are you on the blob? If you really want me to deal with your posts to Ed003 I will. Just to get you to shut up.}

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Chris,

It was a response I left on the 'transfers' page mate.

HB

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What's got your knickers in a twist, 003? I was bantering, and so seen it very plausible to post it on the "Banter" page instead of as a reply to a rumour about Thiago.

Maybe one should 'take a course' on common decency, instead of belittling a regular poster who has been using this site since before you were even an editor. {Ed003's Note - I don't wear knickers,well sometimes but that's another story.}

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