Manchester United Banter Archive August 14 2012

14 Aug 2012 21:32:28
Delighted to see Fletch back and hope its not too long before he's back in the shirt week in week out!

Which brings me on to my next point. How can people still have faith in Anderson, he's a waste of talent. How can a professional footballer be so fat in this day and age? He can't pass, can't shoot. Every year he has a spell of 3 or 4 games when he looks class which buys him another year in the team. The sooner he leaves, the better!

Mumbles

He isnt bad at all !! When he remains fit and has a good partner in midfield he excels ! Look at him with Hargreaves he was class !

I agree, i am also annoyed at the people who continue to say give him another chance, this will be his season. Hes been here for many years and is no better than average. We need to get rid of this deadwood.
MU93

Anderson as been ok ! Its Scholey who looks dodgy . The fella is a legend , but I'm sorry , it really is time retire ! and Gigs should follow suit

fozzy58

Anderson is total crap and a disgrace. He's always overweight and offers absolutely nothing. How can any fans say he's OK? Maybe that's why we're no longer
Top dogs because we let our standards drop.

Anderson can have longer in my opinion.

Supasub

Anderson overweight !!and crap !! He is certainly more mobile than other players we have in midfield . He's passing as been really good and he is always available .... And to say he offers absolutely nothing is a joke !!

fozzy58

I never understand it when people say he is ''overweight''. Do you really think United would let one of their players get overweight and do nothing about it? Have you seen him with his shirt off? I'd love to be as 'overweight' as him.

APC

14 Aug 2012 21:02:31
i don't get why we in for van persie don't need him need a midfielder. Why didn't we go in for rodwell. We'd been linked for years, was cheap at fifteen million for player with lot of potential quality. And why are we not in for sahin. Again good player not expensive. Too good for liverpool or arsenal

We need van Persie more than we need Rodwell!

GDS

Rodwell is the most overrated player thats why. And we need someone who can make an immediate impact, not more people with 'potential'.
MU93

I'm sorry but Rodwell is not worth £15million, We could get a much better player for that price like M'Villa, Isco, Dembele theres quite a few

We don't need Rodwell as we have Cleverley and behind him Tunners. Both are more energetic and mobile, both have more to their game. If neither of them had shown the progress that they have then I believe we would have moved for Rodwell. However I believe thaqt City have bought him due to the need to raise the English quota of players in their squad with the likely departure of A.Johnsomn and Hargreaves already gone, also with the decline of Barry over the last year they are starting to lack a core of English based over 21s in the EPl squad.

Paso

14 Aug 2012 20:46:31
Interested to know from the visitors on this site that are regular visitors to Old Trafford/season ticket holders, where they drink before games.
I'm a season ticket holder tier 2 Stretford end and mostly get to the Bishops Blaize 3 or 4 hours before kick-off for refreshments. how about you guys?
Mitch.

Old trafford cricket club nice little venue £1 entrance pay once and use it before and after game
johndenton

The blaize is the best place, but that gets so busy they stop letting people in, the trafford is ok but need to have a ticket to get in, iff those to fail u can try the quarry

14 Aug 2012 20:34:04
We are absolutely shocking so far tonight, What were Blackmore and Fortune up to for the 2nd goal? Disaster and Yorke cant even hold on to the ball. We are becoming a laughing stock

FERGIE OUT !! :)

Dylan

Quality. I AM KLOOT {Ed007's Note - Hope you had a nice holiday KLOOT.}

I think we need a couple of quality wingers, someone like Gordon hill and Steve Coppell would be good aquisitions, the boy Stepney looks a decent keeper too, roll on the start of the season if we can get these players, the European Cup Winners Cup should be a doddle.

Samster1

Calm down its a testimonial

14 Aug 2012 19:06:47
Now this has to be the shocker of the pre season for me, Fletcher named on the bench against Aberdeen. I have always thought he'd return, many on here haven't - however will he be the same player? I hope he will be, but still think we could do with someone powerful like Witsel.

RedDevil19

I do not believe Fletch will return sadly.

Sydney!

I would be over the moon if he did make a full recovery. But that is unlikely. There is a huge differance between playing 30 minutes of a testamonial and playing 90 minutes every weekend in the premier league. I mean Clayton Blackmore played more minutes tonight than Fletcher, which goes to show you just how far he has to go in his recovery. Also the nature of his illness means he can suffer sudden bouts of it which makes it hard as he could spend 2/3 months getting better then slide back in the space of a few weeks. It is very hard to maintain a level of fitness with his illness and it will take a long time to get over it every time he suffers a relapse. Seeing as his game was about his fitness and energy then i seriously doubt we'll ever see Fletcher return to the kind of form that made him a key player for us, as this is what his illness has cruely taken from him.

I'm trying not to be a downer on this but i'm a realist. And it would be fool hardy to get your hopes up. I wish him the best and i hope he can make a full recovery but the prognosis isn't great.

Shappy

He will never be as good as what he was or as fit so therefore I would love to see one of Khedira, Witsel, Dembele, Tiote, Eriksen, Felliani, Moutinho, Modric, Cabaye or Marchisio.

He gets 20 minutes play and you think he's back. He's got 3 weeks to prove he's ready to be included in the official ELP squad for Man United.
Don't think that's going to happen and it's a massive gamble for Fergie to name him.
If he names him and he doesn't make it, then that's a spot someone else could have used.
Would love to see him back, but I don't think it will happen.

14 Aug 2012 19:25:15
Banter please Ed.

Just wondering if i can have my pennies worth? I don't understand the negative opinions towards Van Persie, my logic being: If (And that is a big IF!) we sign him on a 4 year deal pay £25 Million, max! That's £6.25 Million per year. Which relative to todays prices is not a great deal! Secondly he is a proven genius! I'm not going just on two games but for instance last year, the games which he pretty much single handedly pulled Arsenal out of a dark hole against arguably two of the top teams in the Premiership: Chelsea and Tottenham, he absolutely tore them apart!

Thirdly: Say we do sign Henriquez too, Imagine the crop that he would get to learn his trade from. Rooney and RVP!? Two of the best strikers in the world? That's great business!

Fourthly: I do get that he is 'injury prone' but we forked out £25 Million for Anderson. I still have faith in him. Also aren't all football players injury prone? It's one of the variables of being an athlete.

Finally, people that constantly berate our players or proposed players. You're Manchester United supporters. So 'support' is necessary to be able to call yourself a fan.

Ps: Fergie is pretty much always right!

Rant over, opinions wanted.

Andy S

We didn't pay 25m for anderson!...

but i agree with the rest.

JK92

Firstly it is not as simple as that. You have to take into account his high wages. So if he gets injured it is a lot of money down the drain. However i agree that we should sign him as it is worth the risk.

Anderson was not "injury prone" while playing for Porto, just when joined Man Utd.

Agree with the rest.
MU93

Couldn't agree more mate, van Persie would be a great signing, ando is quality when fit pace and power remember he outplayed gerrard and fabregas two of the est midfielders in the world!

Caolán.

Good post in my estimation. There will always be reservations over RVP because of past injuries but if our manager decides to grab him then I'm fully behind him and will be excited at the prospect of RVP, Rooney and Kagawa all linking up! Certainly won't be gutted as some other poster's sound like they will be (if he signs)

Gav

Good past mate. As always your entitled to your opinions.

For me, I think RVP is a luxury. That aside, there's no denying the quality he would add to our frontline.

Regarding point numero uno. I wouldn't pay more than £17million for him. He's 29 years old and in the last year of his contract. SAF has every right to be stubborn I feel because Arsenal sold Nasri to City for somewhere in the region of £25million and he was only 24 at the time.

Secondly. Genius? A bit strong imo. I'd class Messi as a genius but I can't argue about him single handedly destroying opposition last term. He had an unbelievable season and it's not a surprise now that he has proven what he capable of when he's fit, that he's seeking his last big deal.

Henriquez would add even more potential to our attack. I think he's more likely to be loaned back though initially. He'd definetly be one for the future.

Point 4 is true. £25million. Again though, Anderson was a young pup, 19 years old with the world at his feet and had burst on the scene at Porto. I remember SAF stating he was one of the most gifted players he'd ever seen. I like Ando but I feel this is now make or break for him.

Last but not least I am 100% behind you there fella! United till I die!

Rosco.

I agree RVP is a great player, I don't think there is any doubt about that. My concern is do we actually need him. Our major weakness for some time now is in the middle of the park. I would be much happier if the money possibly being used for RVP was spent on a Martinez type of player. A player who can sit and sure us the defence and then start the attacks. If we did get RVP I think we will have issues getting the best out of kagawa because he needs to be playing off a striker with no defensive responsibilities. I just don't see what formation we would play, we would have to play the likes of kagawa and possibly roon out of position to accommodate RVP. Just my humble opinion.

Shrek1980

But he wouldn't cost 6.25m a year as he'd be on wages of just over 10m which means he'll cost over 16m a year. Then you need to bear in mind how much of each year will he play for us? Over the past 5 years he has managed about 33 games a season on average. Now we play between 50-60 games a season on average which means he'll be fit for just over half the games based on his previous injury record.

So does 16m a year for a player who'll at best play 60% of our games sound so good now? Suddenly he's looking abit over priced. And that's not even taking into consideration that he is now 29 and players pick up more injuries once they get over 30 and they take longer to get over those injuries.
If we play on average 55 games a season then in his four years at the club he should be able to play in around 220 games. At his age and with his injury record it's not too far fetched to say he may struggle to play 100 games for us. Which when you think he'll cost 25m plus 10m a year thats 65m for a player who may stuggle to play 100 games for us. which would mean he'd cost 650k per game. Now he's starting to look a vastly over priced player.

As for his insurance, it's not as straight forward as you think. But you've failed to consider that in order to be paid out from an insurance policy that you need to pay for the policy. When you insure anything the higher the risk the higher the premium you have to pay. So we could accually end up paying a lot out in insurance for RVP. Which hasn't be factored into his cost, so he could be costing over 70m. And if you want to consider more cost, what about legal fees and agent fees, that could be another few million, now his price is being pushed up even more.

So you can see how his cost can spiral and given his injury record and that in seven years at Arsenal he has only justified a 20m+ fee in ONE season out of the seven. Then surely you can see why some of us are sceptical about signing him.

Shappy

My mistake. I had 25 Million in my head for some reason. I sincerely hope we do sign RVP. I can see Fergie dragging another season out of the Midfield we do have and bagging RVP, which i think i'd be happy with. (Although, if funds were available and so was the right player i wouldn't say no to a steely CM) Depending upon whether Clevs and Ando can stay fit.

Andy S

I bet these doubting posters and full of support 'supporters' will be the first the praise him if he does sign.

Andy S

Don't get me wrong, i'll support any player who pulls on the shirt and steps across that white line for the club. What i'm saying is could the money be spent wiser? And is he worth that much? If he comes i'll back him and prey he doesn't turn into another more expensive Hargreaves. It's.not his ability I doubt it's his fitness and his value for money.

Shappy

14 Aug 2012 18:57:13
Why are most ppl worried about injuries...United retired hargreaves to get a insurance pay out... If rvp gets a injury that affects his long term performance we as a club are covered... I'm off to Greece now on holiday, I really hope we sign Rvp and either Modric/sneijder/Martinez because we are desperate for a world class CM... see you soon guys...

Forget the insurance money on Haregraves, that injury set us back years and cost us a few trophies. If RVP gets hurt you can't just pick up a striker like that immediately. You need your players on the pitch not in the trainers

14 Aug 2012 18:37:23
darren fletcher starts on the bench in uniteds testimonial match. great news

14 Aug 2012 18:32:20
IMO I can't see us starting with kagawa and cleverly in midfield alone as both are too attacking.
Fergie rates carrick as much as any midfielder on the team so expect our best X1 to be :

..........de gea
Rafael..Ferdinand...vidic...evra
valencia...carrick...kagawa...young
....Rooney.......Rvp?/welbeck

Hope we don't stick to the 442 formation.
MU93

14 Aug 2012 18:16:34
Hi all,
It's impossible I know but what would you guys think of this line up and subs bench?

De gea
Valencia/Rafael Ferdinand vidic evra/Oviedo
Nani. Martinez. Muniain
Kagawa
Rvp. Rooney

On the bench:
Lindegaard
Smalling/ jones
Cleverly/anderson/ giggs
Carrick/ scholes
Hernandez/ welbeck

Ed's do you think in some miracle, the glazers would give us cash or we make it possible? Just wishful

Cypriotenglish

So that's 1 CM and 5 attacking players. Wouldn't work, although Martinez is class and would be my no.1 target.

14 Aug 2012 16:52:59
Numerous reports circulating on the 'facts only based' site Twitter that RVP has signed for £22m.

A usually more credible source of info is the bookies though where Skybet looked to have slashed RVP odds of signing for United to a measly 1/6.

A forward line of:
Rooney, Van Persie, Welbeck, Hernandez, Henriquez with Kagawa and Powell offering further attacking midfield options.

Owen gone and the exits opening for Berbatov, Macheda and Bebe now surely ??

I imagine Evra, Anderson and Nani have all been told this is their last season.

Halesini

People aren't told that 'this is your last season' as otherwise their performance would drop significantly. It simply wouldn't work.

RedDevil19

We have been 1/6 for a week and have been as short as 1/12 in the last 2 days. Wouldn't read much into odds at all.

GDS

Bookies are RARELY a good source.

This is what happens...

People read or hear that a player is moving to a certain club, then, a lot of people go put a bet on that player moving to that club. This means the bookie is exposed to that outcome, and they change the odds to hedge against that outcome. The change in a price at the bookies can almost always be traced back to a media outlet.

Are you for real....so one of the greatest man managers of all time has decided the best way to get the best out of Nani, Evra and Ando is to tell them this is their last year....genius

Whether they have been told or not this SHOULD be the last year for those 3!

Anderson - simply never cut it in a United shirt and has always looked out of condition. Lets hope we can have an injury-free season though and see how he fares as Fergie still clearly believes in him or we would be in the market for another midfielder.

Evra - I believe he has 2 years left on his contract hence we would look to offload next year IF his poor form continues. Class act on his day but my fear with Evra has always been his positional play hasn't been brilliant but he's got out of jail with his pace. As he gets older and pace goes that obviously becomes more problematic hence last years relatively poor showing.

Nani - the fact we look to be stalling on giving him a new contract surely means SAF has had enough. Yes he can play like a quality player but he is woefully inconsistent and his 'world beating' days are just too few and far between. I dont believe Nani has merited a further contract with United and would be glad to see his position in the squad replaced especially if someone like Rodriguez from Porto could come in.

Man management lessons aside none of these 3 should be playing for United come 13/14.

Halesini

14 Aug 2012 16:26:07
Edd/s if we do sign RVP and henriquez would you care to hazard a guess if that would be it for this window or could we still more new faces
Warrington red {Ed004's Note - I suspect a midfielder could be signed and I would hope Fergie signs a left back. He did say he would address that area of the pitch awhile back}

14 Aug 2012 16:08:15
Hi

Does anyone know what the situation is with Isco, I think for 12mil he would be a steal. Fantasric close control and looks to have good vision, no idea about his defensive side tho.

Can any of the Eds update the situation, and perhaps add a player profile! Thanks

Grovsey {Ed004's Note - He looks a top player but I just can't see where he would be played}

14 Aug 2012 16:02:35
Not sure how reliable the London evening standard is but it says the expect RVP to move to Old Trafford this week.

If the Henriquez transfer is true I think this is another excellent prospect signing. We have so many top quality youngsters our future looks bright!

Welsh Red

14 Aug 2012 15:42:49
Brady is yet to debut for United and spent last season on loan at Hull, where he lined up on the left wing and scored three goals.

He said: "On the first day back in pre-season, the gaffer put me into left-back and I had a feeling that was the way he was thinking for me.

"I had to learn quickly but I'm very comfortable playing at left-back. I'm not a bad tackler, decent in the air, but maybe I have to work on my positional sense as a defender. The manager was happy, though.

"We'll have to wait and see what happens between now and the start of the season next week, but they've no real cover for Patrice Evra. I think I'm first in line if anything happens to him, unless they sign someone in the meantime."

SAF has said that a LB will be signed.

Sydney!

Syd he never once said a left back will be signed... he said it is an area we will look at, and he was looking at players on the tour i.e Keane,Brady,blackett

RedKnight

Syd, did he not say that ''that area of the pitch needs to be addressed?''. I don't necessarily take that to mean he's going to sign another player. Not quite sure if he did say exactly that, but i'm pretty sure he didn't come out and say we were going to buy another LB.

Andy

He won't sign a left back for the sake of it though. If he doesn't get a target that he wants i.e. Baines then SAF will stick with Brady.

RedDevil19

Syd - I thought he said he would address this area, two entirely different things, he could well provide cover with Evans or Brady to see how well Blackett and Fabio progress. Whatever happens it is an area that needs attention as Evra is a liability.

Keanooh

Does anyone know whether the Fabio loan includes a call back clause in case Evra gets injured?
Is that even possible?

Thanks

Jonny8

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has confirmed he intends to sign a new left-back.

Ferguson has loaned his main cover in the shape of Fabio to Queens Park Rangers for next season.

He has a number of youngsters capable of filling in, but with Patrice Evra the only senior left-back he is ready to bolster his options.

Everton's Leighton Baines has been linked with a move to Old Trafford all summer, and Ferguson admits he will be looking at that area.

Asked if he would be signing a left-back he confirmed: "Yes. We have two young lads we gave a bit of time to against AmaZulu [their first pre-season friendly] but they are young.

"Patrice will be all right. He's shown he has a resilience about him and has a great attitude to playing, but he is 31 next month."

Ferguson admitted it can be an issue attracting a player when he has to compete with Evra - who is a virtual ever-present when fit.

"That's a possibility," he said.

"But we are not at the stage where we're assessing that. It's not an easy decision to make."

Sydney!

I think its fair to say that fegy never said he would be buying a lb then
unless you just read the headline of course
jred

Fergie gave a direct response when asked if he needed to find cover for Patrice Evra.

“Yes. We have two young lads we gave a bit of time to (against AmaZulu) last night but they are young. Patrice will be all right. He’s shown he has a resilience about him and has a great attitude to playing, but he is 31 next month,” Ferguson told the Daily Mail.
jred

14 Aug 2012 15:25:00
If all our wishes come true its likely to be a striker overhaul.

With RVP completing a medical in Holland +
Henriquez having his in Manchester.

Berbatov destined to go. Macheda likely to leave, he was rubbishe anyway.

Leaving us with
Rooney, Welbeck, RVP, Henriquez, Hernandez.

Henriquez will probably go out on loan.

I think he has to go on loan anyway... something like he needs his first international cap before he can join. Other option is if he goes to holland or something like that for a season

RedKnight

He will need a work permit, normally you get these when you play 70% (could be open to correction on the %) of your national teams games. He has not done this so will need a 'special talent' permit similar to what Chico got 2 years ago.

He will get a work permit on the premises of being a special talent for sure and if he didnt he would have to be loaned to Antwerp for 2 years to become an EU national which is where it takes one of the shortest times as each country is different.

George

14 Aug 2012 15:20:44
Just to kill off any silly rumours I have just walked my dog around the ground and there is not a single media van in sight. No blacked out beamers and no agents so RVP or anyone else is around. +they will go to carrington not here.

1redarmy

They were specifically staying at the other side of the stadium mate........where I was walking my dog ;-)

Jono

I am not joking haha I have litterally walked my dog around the ground this afternoon, will be doing again tonight as well!

1redarmy

14 Aug 2012 14:43:47
I know it isn't the summer plans everybody wants but this could be a realistic shop window from here till deadline day.

Van Persie-£20million

Neil Taylor-£5-8million

Angelo Henriquez £4million

Isco- £10-14million

I know it's not what we are looking for as we all would have preffered the likes of Moura,Hazard,Modric,Moutinho etc but it is a very realistic summer spending and would strengthen areas that are needed.

Everyone knows centre midfield is key but fergie will not buy a second rate midfielder, I think he could wait till January or next summer and move for someone like Strootman/Erkisen etc. and scout them for another season.

RedKnight

Would be happy with that, but i'd sign Vurnon Anita instead of Isco. Then we'd be covered in midfield.

Shappy

14 Aug 2012 14:29:55
Van Persie - Berbatov
Henriquez - Macheda
Witsel - Anderson
Powell - Pogba
Kagawa - Park
Taylor - Fabio (loan)
?.?.?.? - Nani

If this was the summer business concluded would people be happy with this? I think I would be happy only if Nani stayed or was replaced by a top talent.

Sydney!

Very happy indeed syd, it will mean lpool have a better squad than you this season.............lfc

I'd have that. Take Nani off the list as I'd also like him to stay but the rest would be a good summers business. Ideally we would bring in a better LB than Taylor but he is only young so could definitely improve.

TK-Red

I'd be positively giddy with that to be completely honest.

APC

I would be well chuffed with this!

All would be major upgrades imo although i don't know too much about Taylor but did see him a few times for Team GB.

I would keep Nani, frustrating player but world class on his day.

U'll need another 10 players at least to get close to been as good as our squad lfc.

Lfc, we will finish 25-30 points ahead of you. You will finish 6th at best.

Sydney!

Looks good to me Syd.
Mr Q

Syd more like 50 points 17th at best for lfc!

Caolán.

Hey syd , you could at least say 4th for us, think utd will be right up there , hate to sayit , but city or utd for the title again............lfc {Ed004's Note - I think Liverpool will improve but still come outside the top 4. I predict 5th or 6th}

Rodriguez for Nani would be the obvious suggestion but suggest he's staying in Porto for another year. I just hope we have tee'd him up to come to us in 1314.

Halesini

14 Aug 2012 14:24:45
Just looking at Angelo Henriquez's stats - 15 goals in 28 games makes impressive reading, plus 12 goals in 12 games for u15, u17, u20 and u23 level for his country.

Bring him on!

Andrew B

14 Aug 2012 13:40:50
Berba and Macheda out, RVP and Henriquez in? Would be an oustanding reshuffle for the strike force.

Dan

14 Aug 2012 13:36:58
I would like to think RVP will come to United before deadline day as he really wants too and would make a great addition to our squad.

I would also expect Fergie to launch a deadline day bid for either Witsel, Sahin, Moutinho or if the Real Madrid deal fails, Luka Modric.

Optimistic but it's what we need to do if we are gonna keep up with the likes of City and Chelski!

JK

14 Aug 2012 13:01:23
ed could you please give me some info about Angelo Henriquez as i know man city were intrested ? {Ed004's Note - He is a striker and is rated highly}

On wiki he already plays for man utd

Ross

14 Aug 2012 12:45:22
Angelo Henriquez will be expected to complete his move to OT this week. The young striker has long been reportedly ready to join the reds and with the interest coming from Man City, Utd have quickly reacted by re-activating the clause the clubs agreed.

£4million is the expected cost. I'm not sure whether he will be able to gain a work permit yet so maybe sent out on loan. He will be the young striker to replace Macheda. Expect RVP and one other to complete the clubs summer business

RedKnight

What a joke!
He is really going to transform our season.

No name,

He is 18 and a great prospect for the future, some people really will have a go at anything, I am starting to hate other united fans with a passion lol.

GDS

"What a joke!
He is really going to transform our season"

No he's not - he's only 18 and won't even play much this coming season, lol

You are the joke for making such a comment...what if we buy RVP and Henriquez...is it still a joke?

Gav

Gds is a moron, he thinks people who slag utd off arnt propper fans and he thinks everything we do is great, i bet hes one of those that that said bebe was a great signing, we're supposed to be the biggest club in the world yet our signing dont seem to reflect that, and MOST people are getting sic of it

14 Aug 2012 12:30:01
I am lucky but iv paid thousands of pounds for that privelidge, fergie bleats on about value for money! well im starting to feel a little bit short changed

----------------------

No name, who forced you to buy your ticket? Nobody. If you don't want to pay the money you don't have to.

I certainly don't buy my season ticket because we are good, I buy it because I love the club. If we were crap I would still have my ticket.

We are by no means the most expensive tickets in the country either, so that argument wouldn't work.

You sound like a spoilt United fan when you come out with things like that, like a lot of the people on here. Only fans because we are good, now there is a chance we might not be as good they feel short changed.

Didn't see you on here moaning you didn't pay enough when we won the league 3 years on the bounce and knocked the scousers off their perch, so why moan now?

GDS

Glory hunters GDS. Send the over to City.

Tommy

Gds = muppet, he thinks hes mr man utd, your right though nobody forced me to buy my tickets but i do it cos i love the club, always have always will, so dont try and tell me that i cant moan or complain, i worry for the future of the club that i love, u may look at it through you red tinted specs and think everthings rosie but it isnt

14 Aug 2012 12:25:26
There are some posters on here whom are more concerned with seeing farcical, circus headlines such as: "Manchester United sign £100 million starlet" than us actually winning the title next season.

I too, would love to wake every summer morning to the news that Man United have signed the most sought after players.

However,I personally don't care if Sir Alex raises the dead and offers that zombie a pay as you play contract if it results in us winning a 20th League title.

BornInToIt

14 Aug 2012 12:20:33
Anyone see that banner city fans put up at villa park think it said 93.20 may 13 2012 for when they won the league .....well I think the stretford end song will be better..... you've won it 3 times you've won it 3 tiiimmmeeesss the same amount as huddersfield you've won it 3 times. GGMU FOREVER IN OUR SHADOW

14 Aug 2012 11:44:58
alright guys!

just looking for peoples opinion on whether or not we should place a bid for adebyor or de jong(excuse the spelling!)?

ferguson placed a bid for adebyor when he was with arsenal but wenger refused point blank would he be worth a punt seen as we are willing to pay 200k a week wages to van persie?

de jong could be the steel we are missing is the middle of the park and seems surplus to requirements?

cheers

Why would City sell to us?

GDS

2 City players? Highly unlikely.
Mitch.

All i can say is please god,no. de jong offers nothing apart from being a defensive midfielder who sits in front of the back 4 and tackles hard,he is useless at anything else,sir alex said himself we've never played with a defensive midfielder and hes not about to start now.

phil

14 Aug 2012 09:46:30
Hi,

The transfer window is far from being shut, but there has been a lot of activity and transfers as usual.

If you had to rate the current transfers on the basis of your gut feeling as to the best transfers, what would be your top 3?.. For me its the following

Shinji Kagawa(Manchester United)
Santi Cazorla(Arsenal)
Jordi Alba(Barcelona)

Responses awaited...

Deeps...

Martinez
Sweinsteiger (spelling)
Higuain
We can all dream....
HERBIE

That Itailian striker for 'pool could be good too. Only seen him once but looks sharp. {Ed004's Note - He looks alright}

Nice herbie, but the poster asked the question which have been the best value for money transfers so far........

And I would agree with that list looking at the cost of the player and what they have/will contribute...

Oxred

14 Aug 2012 09:33:48
Worst.post.ever.
Nothing you said is true, I appreciate you are French but his name is sir Alex ferguson and he is a living legend and the greatest football manager in the world.
Now run along.

GDS"""
dear mr gds
ngiak is worried that you may be wrong in putting mr frenchman down
his decisions and team line ups in the run in has led to the loss of the title last year
ferguson, giggs and scholes are living legends
goes without saying
but ngiak believes they should not go the way of maradona... spoil his name and achievements by not knowing when to let go
they should do a cantona... retire
the young guys are outsmarting sir alex regularly now
both in the transfer market and on the field
and the club seems to have a 20th century view on buying players..
its the 21st century,... we have to starting thinking, buying and playing the 21st century way
the old ways are already obsolete... if we dont realise that soon
ngiak fears we will be left far far behind before we realise it...
gan

Gan, I have to say I miss you when you don't post. You always brighten up my day.
GDS is sometimes like a Bad Big Brother on this site - he seems to constantly criticize posters who are only giving their opinion. He seems to have taken over from Sydney, but at least Sydney has mellowed and turned into helpful Big Uncle.
Say hello to ngiak from me!!

J Bones.

J Bones,

What a joke of a post, you moron. Kidding.

I like to think I come on here and give my opinion mate, everything I say on here is my opinion. Did you read the original post from the French guy? He called SAF Fergusson and said a lot of stuff that he is still trying to back up above which really annoyed me.

Do you think SAF should retire like gan is saying? The heartbeat of the club for 26 years, he loses the title on goal difference so we want him to go? I agree with gan that Giggs should retire, I can't see what he brings to the team this season and would hope he plays a maximum 10 games in all comps.

Search for GDS on here, I quite often agree with people and most of my posts are positive. Everybody can have their opinion, but I don't have to agree with it like people don't have to agree with mine.

If we all agreed this site (and football in general) would be boring!

GDS

14 Aug 2012 07:10:57
Sir Alex Ferguson has held private discussions with Arsene Wenger over Manchester United's attempts to complete a dramatic swoop for Robin van Persie.
And Sportsmail understands Arsenal are expecting an improved offer following personal contact between the two managers which took place recently.
Sources say that a deal to take the Arsenal captain, who got 30 goals to win the golden boot last season, to Old Trafford could be completed by the time the season kicks off this weekend.
It is understood the Arsenal manager repeated his insistence to Ferguson the 29-year-old would not be allowed to leave for United for a penny under £30million - but the Gunners will listen to offers starting at £20million with add ons.


THE SHINING KNIGHT

14 Aug 2012 06:28:52
GDS

I wonder about your motivation because it has not, as you put it, been a wonderful summer. Frustrating to watch our attempts to buy the top players we need to compete . I read your posts which defend the owners activities and this latest one makes me wonder what you are trying to do. As to lower expectations , if you suggest that I don't believe you are in tune with the club at all because we should aim to win the big prizes every year with the best team however that wouldn't fit with Glazer spending levels that you are obviously enjoying

Red Man

Red man,

I am not sure I used the word wonderful so don't quote me with something I didn't say for a start. If I did I apologise but on my phone so I can't see it.

I have made it clear on many occasions that my motivation to watch the club I love comes from the enjoyment I get watching my team play and win. I also enjoy the excitement of the transfer window and all the ridiculous rumours people come out with. Nobody had heard of moura until we went to sign him, I had not seen him on one persons wishlist on this site, but as soon as we missed out it was a disaster and we were going to fail.

I judge the success of the transfer window on 31st August, otherwise it is like judging the success of the season in march. Long way to go and anything can happen.

I think so far we have signed 2 quality young players who want to play for the club and could easily become fan favourites.

I am pretty certain rvp will be signed by the weekend and once that is done I feel we are a left back and greedily a centre midfielder away from being top dogs again. What a summer it would be to have:

Left back
Powell
Van Persie
Kagawa

Anything extra would be a bonus. We were not that far off last season but a lot of the performances were well below what I would expect from a united team. This will hopefully be corrected by the quick passing and speed of kagawa and Cleverley, and the defensive frailties should be covered by the returning vidic and hopefully a left back.

I hate united losing, I want us to be massive, but is it wrong that I enjoy the transfer window as it goes along, looking who we might and might not buy and the weird and wonderful posts on here?

I feel proud to be a united fan and want the club to be successful, and IMO feel we are pretty close to the end of the transition period with a lot of quality in the squad.

Hope this clears up my motivation pal.

GDS

GDS

I meant to write enjoyable not wonderful , phones are awkward at times

We have missed too many key targets in recent seasons for the window to be enjoyable as you put it

We are several players short and the season starts at the weekend with a tough away game. City are a good side and don't discount others so we cannot afford to sit on our laurels

We have dithered and left it late to get key players in. I would be worried if RVP was the last player as for me midfield and Nani concern me. Evra is a concern but we need to think Blackett must get a chance

Red Man

I was trying to work out the team for next Monday earlier and there are so many different combinations that I feel could win that game it just shows how strong our squad is.

I think we need a left back to make it more difficult for Evra to get his place, at the moment he has no challenge and is going to be even worse this season. The rest of the team there are a number of players for every position.

We already have a good squad, anyone we add to it would be brilliant, but I do find it enjoyable. You are suggesting I am not allowed to enjoy football and the transfer window because United aren't buying who you would buy?

GDS

13 Aug 2012 23:36:20
Will someone tell Fergie to get his finger out and sign somebody before the weekend.
Forget about RVP, there are other players we should be going for before its too late.

Fed up RED

Ok fed up red... I'm on it right now... I'll let you know how it went :-)
HERBIE

14 Aug 2012 00:04:10
According to daily mail Welbeck signs new five year deal 75k a week