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14 Aug 2013 23:12:21
RONNEY episode tonight show he is a good player but there is need for him to stop being spoilt, I wonder a player like him being spanish or german can earn like him in his native league with best team and still want transfer to 3rd team in d league
14 Aug 2013 23:01:05
when people here and paper start mentioning baines I thought I don't know him now tonight I know him better, he is far below evra!, stop hyping average english player here,
Seriously? Man, for me he is reliable in both defence and attack (which Evra is not) and his dead balls are a massive bonus. He's also younger. Evra is great at getting from box to box and linking up but IMO he's less effective in the final 3rd and less reliable at the back.
Yeah agree but Everton want to much for him.
Pauly
OP, 1 average game doesn't make Baines a bad player in the same way 1 good game doesn't make Cleverley a great player. Baines has been the most consistent left back in the league for a couple of years now. He woud strengthen our team and offer a great deal.
You are kidding right? Not only is he the most prolific and accurate crosser in the English League but he is in the top 5 in Europe. On top of that he is only a left back, which means he doesn't have as much time to focus on his crossing compared to wingers as he has defensive duties to worry about too. Don't understand how you can base your perception on watcing a player for one game!
Baines would improve us but I think Evra was ok last year after a coupel of poor ones and with Fabio and Buttner as back up I don't see the point in paying £20m for a player we don't urgently need and who at 28 doesn't improve us to the degree it is worth spending that money on him. Also agree he is over hyped though, people callign him the best left back in Europe, really?
Invisible STuey
14 Aug 2013 22:37:35
Baines delivery tonight (as usual) was spot on, time after time after time. He seems a really reliable all round LB too (not just based on tonight obv) and his dead ball skills are a clear bonus for a player of his position.
Moysie, Moysie sign him up!
Always thought he was the best left back in the league!
14 Aug 2013 22:23:48
On David Moyes' post match comments, he was very complimentary about Welbeck and Cleverly and seemed very uncomfortable when talking about Rooney. I would almost say that he seemed like he wanted to avoid any conversation on Rooney at all. If so, it doesn't look good for the chances of Rooney staying. Did anyone else notice that or was it just me being paranoid?
You are being paranoid, but it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!
14 Aug 2013 22:14:52
Anyone else see David Moyes reaction to Adrian Chiles question about when we can expect to see Wayne Rooney back in a United shirt? I have never thought for one minute this summer that he could possibly leave but Moyes's reaction has me very worried!
TomP
Haha I thought the same and made a similar post! :(
You never thought for a minute he would leave, are you kidding me? Do you not read the papers? I know they aren't always true but Rooney hasn't come out and said its all rubbish, he's going after the Chelsea game in my opinion, simple as that.
GDS
I think otherwise. Moyes will not look smart with the kind of comments he has made regarding the "not for sale" thing. I know that's a standard phrase and all that, but he has gone out of his way to quash rumours, including saying " You guys are going to get it so wrong". he will not want to look like a fool.
Deeps.
Maybe Moyes can save face by not selling Rooney, but trading him :)
14 Aug 2013 21:53:26
On a positive side note, henriquez scored for Chilli tonight
Is that for Chilli Con Carne or for Chile?
Lasagne Verdi
And Shinji for Japan earlier on in the day :)
2 letters out when I was hammered, I'd say that is a success
14 Aug 2013 21:32:08
I'll start it, would anyone swap lambert for Rooney.
My Mother after a bottle of gin?
Are we playing basketball? If not then no.
No wonder you didn't leave a name
Invisible stuey
14 Aug 2013 21:31:53
Saw that now yes eds, but please posters give credit to authors of articles in opening post, on a differrent note though, what interest me about this season is that united usually get stronger as the season goes on and players seem to get sharper in uniteds squad where everton usually trails off a bit after good start now it could be because of moyes pushing players hard in training or the everton squad being paper thin, just something to keep an eye on as season progresses
ADA
Everton have always had a good first XI under Moyes but no more. He now as a good squad at his disposal.
14 Aug 2013 21:21:08
Rooney's touch has been as great as ever I see. It amuses me how bad it is at times. The forward play breaks down in good areas due to him the majority of the time.
14 aug 2013 20:32:35
all the latest posts are just stabs in the dark who knows what will really transpire in the next week or so all you can believe is that we will make one reasonably big signing (not so long ago fellaini was being chased by chelsea etc offering 30 mil +) so would him coming on board be such a big let down?
14 Aug 2013 19:43:39
Hi Eds. With United and Moyes saying over the last few weeks that signings are being worked on etc, With only a few weeks left of the transfer window, Do you think Moyes will have identified who he wants and if so why is it taking so long for something to happen such as a bid for Fellaini/Baines? If he really wants these two especially i'm sure he could mount a bid and have it tied up quickly? Opinions please, Thanks
TomP {Ed044's Note - The club are pushing to bring players in Baines and Fellaini look very viable.}
14 Aug 2013 21:09:00
Just wanna state that the piece about fergies mind games wasn't written by moon but a young journo from england as a article on a website, please if people cut and paste atleast give credit to the author as it takes time and effort to put articles together
ADA {Ed004's Note - Moon did state he didnt write it}
Ada I read that too and moon did state it wasnt him that wrote it.
Singh
I closed the page it was on and I just so happen to find it randomly, I completely forgot the name of the author otherwise I would have credited him for it.
I could have looked through my history but in all fairness I didn't think it was a very big deal at all mate.
although I do agree, if people do post other articles it would be great if we could see who actually wrote it, for me, it means I have someone else to look out for when i'm looking for a good read about United.
The Moon.
14 Aug 2013 21:05:47
Cleverly isn't looking too bad with England. He'll most definitely get better with age and experience, just like most other English midfield players
Hes been average at best, like every other England player. Welbeck been brightest and Rooney looks good, but not quite fully fit
I always say watching football on a TV screen can be very deceptive.
I mean, that sideways 5 yard pass from Cleverly looked suspiciously like a 30 yard through ball on my set! ;)
We need to see it more consistently from Cleverley this season. Sometimes he plays things a little too safe for my liking and I would like to see him burst forward more like he did as a youngster and not be afraid to try a good pass or through ball. Tonight hasn't shown us anything we didn't already know. He has ability, but can he handle the pressure? Nighty night lads.
Sydney!
Totally agree Syd. He needs to show he can consistently impact the major games and be a little more adventurous. Having said that, I hope we buy a top CM so TC has to work harder for game time, which could be good for him.
No disrespect to anyone but I think you're all expecting far too little.
I want Manchester United mid fielders to boss games against the likes of Bayern and barca, not just "be a little more adventurous" or "not be afraid to try a good pass".
paul scholes used to make me gasp in amazement at some of the things he did, not to mention his ability to run a game. Roy Keane used to dominate teams through sheer personality and will, plus no little skill.
these are the yardsticks by which I measure our mid fielders and I think they give some perspective on where tom cleverley is at.
where's your ambition folks? tom cleverley is a decent footballer but he's nowhere near the standards we should be demanding as utd supporters
Paul Merson was commenting on the England game last night on a web site. When presented with the England team sheet. He picked out Wellbeck and Cleverly as the weak links in the team. He said something like are Spain and Germany going to be worried about facing Wellbeck and Cleverly? That's the current perception of two of our first team players
Andrew b,
I want a midfielder or 2 who can do that 2 obviously! We need to buy a top cm as we all know. But there is still plenty of space for clev in our 25 man squad. We're nevrer going to have 25 world beaters but I hope clev can develop into a very useful squad player for us? I really don't understand how people can't see that we need a mix of abilities in the squad.
Alex
Good for Paul merson and to an extent I agree. But then at the same time one of the commentators were raving about welbeck so everyone has an opinion. I think they are both good squad players for us and I think both will improve,, by how much I don't know. welbeck in particular has some really useful attributes but he needs to improve his finishing in the final 3rd.
Hb
I think Cleverly and Welbeck are invaluable players to Utd, English, Welbeck local, Utd fans and both seem to have great attitudes.
HOWEVER like players such as O'Shea being a prime example, they are invaluable as squad players but are playing more games than they should in reality, both would not get near the first eleven so often in most of our teams gone by, that isn't me slagging them off, just facing reality.
Invisible Stuey
14 Aug 2013 20:44:42
IF we do sell Rooney to Arsenal any chance of a swop for Wilshire, 21 years old and would be ideal future captain
I wish! The guy doesn't even have an agent. so rather unlikely me thinks.
If we wanted Cesc, would we let RvP go the other way?
Sydney!
No, no, no. What are you on Sydney man, perhaps sell it?
A man united.
He is proving s point.
14 Aug 2013 20:43:21
Hearing that Bale to Utd and Hernandez the other way plus £60m has been agreed unless RM stump up Spurs asking price upfront and not in instalments. Fellaini also due to arrive in next 48 hrs if Kondogbia turns our approach down
Utd are also negotiating with Arsenal for Rooney. fee is £40m and non negotiable we will not sell to Chelsea even if they match or increase on our valuation. Moyes plans to promote Januzaj and will not be replacing Rooney unless we receive encouragement from Barca re Fab who was our number 1 transfer target this Summer
So only 2 recognised strikers in tje entire squad? (I'm not counting Macheda.)
I'd take that though!
Ben
Would not be a bad summer imo, ideally another midfielder would be great, someone more creative, but hey we haven't signed any players who are going to play for us this season so far.
14 Aug 2013 20:41:29
Oops' 2000 sideway passes and 1 forward pass (but it were a good un):-) ' bigred1
14 Aug 2013 20:34:28
Cleverly proving you lot wrong!
Hes having a top game because he's aloud to go forward
First half winning tackles sets one up and could have scored aswell
More of the same second half!
14 Aug 2013 20:31:43
I thought people said Tom Cleverley had no killer balls in him? I think it is another story of SAF playing a player out of position for years. Anderson and Cleverley should both had been used as attacking midfielders not deep cm's.
All Carrick, Cleverley & Anderson are more attacking players than where they play for MU. SAF thought because it worked with Scholes it will work with anyone. Hopefully Powell won't be wasted there too. People forget Cleverley grew up playing CAM and left wing. He was moulded into a deep central midfielder during the pre-season of 2011. In the games TC was given license to roam forward last season, he scored and assisted more often. He's better suited there rather than sitting in front of the back four playing little passes. Cleverley had a decent game, but must be more consistent this season.
Sydney!
Syd, agree with most of that apart from Carrick - he may have started out there but I think he's found his ideal position as a deep lying playmaker. I hope we see Powell in a more advanced position though for sure.
It's a shame Powell has been missing all summer. Think he would have played well along with Januzaj, Zaha and Lingard. (Still don't think Lingard will make that potential superstar duo into a superstar trio. Step below those other two, who are truly special.) I worry that with the huge squad we currently have, plus a signing or two, that even in the cups that Januzaj, Lingard and Powell won't get enough minutes to progress as much as they could. We may still be missing two starting XI quality players, but we have enough depth for two PL teams and this could prove problematic as Moyes tries to find games for his veteran squad members while getting the youngsters the matches they need. Zaha is the exception, he is PL ready now, physically and all, and will be a regular starter/sub in all competitions. Januzaj will be a bench option in PL matches but is unlikely to get many minutes with the number of wingers we still have on the roster. Powell is the wildcard. Needs minutes more than anyone, but is also a step behind having missed the tour. All great prospects and let's hope we can finally produce some world class talent from our academy as its been quite a while since we have done it. (Welbeck, Clev, ehhhhh)
14 Aug 2013 20:30:53
Tom Cleverly is having a worldie of a game tonight, that plass was top quality
L.A.7
14 Aug 2013 20:30:30
Tom Cleverley. Just saying (to all you naive haters)
Paul
In all fairness he made one burst into the box and one pass, granted it was outstanding but it was only one. Been the best of 3 average cm performances tonight
14 Aug 2013 19:39:04
Could someone kindly inform me of the dislike towards Cleverley? I simply don't get it if I'm honest.
Is it that people think he is poor or that there are 'better' options out there?
Whistler.
The people that slate Cleverly are simply clueless when it comes to football. Yes he is still learning, but the boy is class!
Fred the red
Great assist. Could have had a couple of goals. 30 minutes gone. He will improve, the question is how much will he improve and will it be enough for MU. Also will he get the chance to improve before he is hounded out of the club.
Sydney!
I don't dislike him, I just think there are better options even for a squad player
It's not a case of not liking the lad, I have nothing against him, but in footballing terms, I'll answer your question
He's not good enough and never will be
And yes there are better options out there
If he was 18 fair enough, but he isn't and he isn't united quality
Hughesy
Hughesy. Sir Alex Ferguson, David Moyes and Roy Hodgson all seem to disagree with you.
I like Cleverly, is he title winning standard? I'm undecided, I personally think he drifts out the bigger games a lot and is relatively inconsistent
14 Aug 2013 21:27:24
Well you two look a bit silly.
Locky, I've noticed he drifts out of games too and is sometimes absent in bigger games. That could improve with maturity, who knows. I'm not sure if he's 'title winning standard' as a starter in every game but he's certainly good enough to be in our squad whilst we win titles. We definitely need a top CM to make an instant impact though and to make Cleverly work harder for game time.
14 Aug 2013 22:34:59
I don't understand it either. Even in this match for England, he hasn't given the ball away, he hasn't been knocked off the ball even ONCE! .and played a brilliant pass for the walcott goal, still people in twitter slating him.
Clev is a good squad player for England, better than others, but I would still rather see Carrick deep, with Wilshire and Gerrard slightly ahead of him. With Welbeck on the left, Walcott on the right and Wayne up front. It's the only lineup I can imagine that gives England a real chance against the top teams in the world. Conservative with 3 CMs, but dangerous bc Gerrard and Wilshire will have freedom to get forward with Carrick as protection behind. Little help on the right from Walker, which leaves Walcott a little isolated, but Baines on the left with Welbeck should give opponents nightmares. And the team still has five players on the pitch who can score goals (Rooney, Welbeck, Walcott, Wilshire, Gerrard). Carrick, like for UNited, cannot be relied upon for anything in the final third, but that's not his job. I think a 4-5-1 or 4-1-2-2-1 of some kind could be used very effectively and would give a questionable CB pairing some help with Carrick capable of slotting into the defense when needed.
14 Aug 2013 19:27:03
I'm please to see Cleverly get a chance to impress in what is his natural position for England tonight. He is always used as more of a deeper cm for utd due to the short number we have in that position and the amount of attacking talent we have. Will be interesting to see how he gets on in the more advanced role he is playing tonight.
Totally agree, he is played out of position in a deep CM role
Mad Hatter
14 Aug 2013 17:10:47
can somebody tell me the code for official premier league fantasy team
thanks
Search Function Anyone?
Takes longer to log in and post than it does to use the search function.
See these kind of things everyday.
I've searched and can't find one!
14 Aug 2013 17:19:37
Whats the chances of Rooney limping off tonight just before completing about 80 minutes or holding his arm. The other scenario is that he doesn't come out at half time due to a "slight niggle". Sorry just being cynical but since there were rumours that he'd shared with people he'd not play for us again he actually hasn't played for us yet since pulling out of Saf farewell game etc, unless someone can tell me otherwise?
Supasub
Did he pull out of SAF's last game?
He missed it to attend the birth of his child.
He was at the stadium watching the game! I remember the camera kept cutting to him in the stands.
14 Aug 2013 22:37:36
Rooney played against Betis indoor at Carrington. Unless you are saying he played wearing a Betis away top.
Deeps.
14 Aug 2013 17:05:10
I've been getting my hopes up about signings all summer. Thiago, Strootman, Fabregas. Now. Nothing. I don't know what's worse, the BS or the silence!
Not sure why anyone would be disappointed to not have signed Strootman. The guy is a good player, but that is it IMO. He would have been a good squad player, but that it; and we already have enough 'good' squad players to choose from.
Definitely the BS is worse
Nomidfield
14 Aug 2013 15:31:53
Eds,
Any reason a number of posts/threads got taken off the rumours page today and yesterday?
Ta,
Hb {Ed044's Note - Yes there is.}
What is that reason then?.
Was wondering that my self. Can I ask why ed? Thought I was going mad, windows like this do that to a man.
Jwalk {Ed044's Note - They had been posted on the incorrect page by an Editor who should have known better.}
OK thanks for the comprehensive answer ;)
I wasn't looking to cause trouble, just wondering if there was a particular reason I should not believe them (if they were found to be fakes or whatever)
No worries if you don't want to divulge!
BTW Ed044 thanks for the explanation you gave above, appreciated.
14 Aug 2013 16:44:38
Who would you rather have in midfield Giggs Anderson or Cleverly simple question i'd prefer a fit Anderson
None we are Manchester United for God's sake
A young Giggs, or a fit Anderson.
Zigza
Good question, a tricky one. Probably a fully fit Ando though at this moment in time.
14 Aug 2013 18:09:52
I would rather play with 9 men
Definitely non of these, as non of them will play in city, Chelsea, spurs or arsenal midfields.
Nomidfield
From 1 Paddy to the other, Anderson. No doubt
None of them are good enough IMO.
Anderson has had plenty of time to prove himself and hasn't. Cleverly looks promising but the jury's still out for me.
14 Aug 2013 16:39:45
Regarding my post this morning I caused quite a stir but what is the problem with us giving cleverly a chance and I also think he will be a late bloomer
Sydney talks sense, he is our product we should support him not slate one of our own
If people think he isn't good enough then that's their opinion, but some go a little OTT and make him a scapegoat for SAF's mistakes. If he only ever becomes a good squad player then so be it, but he deserves a fair chance without some fans hounding him out of the club like they did with Gibson.
Sydney!
Big V
I don't slate him, I just think he's average and has not yet done anything to justify playing regularly for United or England. Sorry if that sounds disloyal; I'm fairly ambivalent about him but don't get why some people rate him so highly. When the pressure is on, he disappears. Forgive me, but I don't believe is is United class
Big v
If people stop slating players this will turn in to a very quite site, it's all some people do.
Clevs for me is a decent player not as bad as some make out but also not as good as some try to make out either
Jred
Squad player, for now. Will only improve with experience.
AJH and jred you both talk sense, without feeling the need to slate the boy. Shame other's cannot follow your example.
As I've asked before, what does cleverly actually do in our midfield? Pass the ball 3 yards sideways, then ask for it back, then pass it 3 yards sideways again.
There is no end product and no point.
Nomidfield
Cleverly will definitely improve with age and experience. Other than Wilshere, I can't remember any English player who is Spanish -good with passes before atleast being past age 25. At the moment a squad player at best and I'd pick a fit Anderson over him
With the greatest respect the 3 yard passes help pull opposition players out of position and give space for others to run into. That is the whole point of pass and move and is a basic tenant of certain clubs football (see Barcelona for a example of one of the best). Its my humble opinion that cleverley misses the qualities of better midfielders but is a solid squad player and also committed to the club. I accept we need real quality in midfield for big games against class opposition but they can't play every game if we intend to try and win all competitions. Cleverley is perfect for games against lesser opposition during busy schedules.
14 Aug 2013 16:22:01
Its come to me now.Ive figured it all out!
Suarez is coming to Utd, Bale is going to Arsenal, Rooney is going to Spurs, Fellaini is going to Liverpool and Fabregas has very cleverly fooled us all and will proudly take up a cm role for Everton.
Thought they'd fooled us. Nice try!
Obviously I need to lie down with Moon!
14 Aug 2013 16:11:29
Afternoon lads just need a bit of advise for thensun dream team.
Jaaskalinan
Jones vidic Williams Taylor
Walcott mata zaha
Suarez rvp lukaku
Just need opinions lads would be much appreciated
Suarez is banned for the first few games so take him out
Suarez is banned for the first six games and in limbo club wise. You loon ;-)
Ben
Totally forgot about that ban cheers mate
Advise on a striker then?
Suarez is 7.5 million
Augero and Rooney are 7 million
Negrado is 6
Jovetic sturridge 5
Soldado michu 4.5
Hernandez giroud 4
Bony 3.5
Remy 3
Obviously then I can use the extra money to improve somewhere else
Just read Suarez has now Said he wants to stop at pool due to the love the fans have shown him .
Jred
I think when he said, 'due to the love the fans have shown me' that what he actually mean was, 'due to the "love" that John W Henry has shown me'
Michu is the best value for me in that list.
Might allow you to change Zaha and Jones for players who are likely to play more often too.
Ben
Id stick bony in there I reckon he's going to do well for swansea
14 Aug 2013 15:12:12
Not so much a rumour more of a double question. lol
Does anyone know what happened to the user PERCY?
Not seen any posts from him for along while.
Also do any of the ED's know what the current Avaliability is of Iker Munian and if he is a potential target?
Cheers in advance
Yeah he has been training hard trying to make sure he gets the new contract he wants ;)
I read on here that he is in Turin ;-)
Rk16
14 Aug 2013 14:26:47
******WAYNE ROONEY*******
Can we all put this to rest until he actually opens his mouth or we do.
The guy hasn't said he wants to move - we haven't said he's for sale.
No one is saying anything one way or another.
Speculation causes nothing but grief.
At the risk of sounding Rafaesque - let's deal with facts only.
He had an of season (in comparison to earlier seasons)- Fact
Fergie claimed the boy has requested to leave - fergie said this so it's a fact (not that wayne actually made the request formally)
He's not said he wants to leave (this time round) - Fact
He's not said he wants to join Chelsea - Fact
He's not match fit - Fact (both moyes and hodgson are reported to have said this)
Lets just stop with the Rooney crap and wait for some actual statement for either Wayne or Us.
Well he's set to play against Scotland tonight whether he starts or comes on as a sub. Will be interesting to see if he plays the Swansea game for us if he plays tonight because then there will be no reason not to.
Ozwald
To be fair Monk.
He hasn't said he's happy and staying either. There is always three sides to every story, Rooneys, United's and the truth - what has went on the last couple of months no one outside will ever know, but you are saying he hasn't said he wants to leave - this is the biggest sports story this summer - if there is nothing to it why hasn't Rooney come out and say 'All this paper talk is completely rubbish, I am staying and happy at united'
Oz
Couldn't agree more.
Though chances are they could claim he aggrevated his shoulder if we don't play him.?.
Conspiracies will always exist but I will reserve judgement on Wayne until a formal statement of intent is made.
He's been good for us and he has taken a lot of flak for his last contract debarcle (which I still have reservations about it all being his doing - another conspiracy about fergie trying to get funding)
Lets just wait for some real information - not that we really have a choice.
I agree Monk, there is so much nonsense that we should just wait and see how it pans out.
I'd like a pint of what Moon has been drinking having read his scenario further down the page.
Whats the bet that Rooney picks up a phantom injury tonight and will be out of squad for weekend?
14 Aug 2013 13:34:32
This transfer window has been a rollercoaster but it be great if we get this Rooney situation cleared up asap. He needs to come out and state what he wants.
One player linked with a while ago that has gone quite is Iker Munian (same agency as De Gea) he could help us on the left, was dangerous against us in the Europa league.
If Spurs end up pulling of Lamela and Arsenal get Gustavo then are scouts needs firing and we need Gill back to oversee transfers.
Do we even want to try and win the champions league again? Certainly does not look that way at the moment.
Fingers crossed we pull something of though!
Jobby
Someone else on this site pointed out that Moyes is obviously not going to be forced into a signing to appease the fans. He wants a player that he knows will come in and improve the squad straight away; hence why we haven't signed no-one yet. That said, I cannot believe, given his knowledge of German football, that Moyes hasn't moved for Gustavo. He seems like the sort of player that would not only improve our midfield, but would have an instant impact.
I don't expect us to make any signings this week; not unless we push the boat out. Otherwise, I think that it could run until transfer deadline day.
For me, keeping Rooney and getting the best out of players' like Kagawa, Anderson and nani - plus bring through some of the exciting young players - then I would be happy; for I still believe that we have some fantastic players of real quality.
14 Aug 2013 13:16:05
in reply to TJFs team '14 Aug 2013 00:14:18'
that does still look a very strong team even without signing but there is no denying that that midfield needs reinforcements as even on paper it looks weak and thin
Yes midfield need reinforcements. it is thin. otherwise it a very very good squad.
i for 1 will not complain about no signnings if our bright academy lads get more of playing time than giggs in absence of options. I m sick of seeing those old buddies over talented kid who leaves in absence of much needed game time. we all know one in pogba. has he been here we won't be so desperate for signing.
rodio17
14 Aug 2013 13:15:19
"Ajax midfielder Christian Eriksen has admitted he would be interested in joining Barclays Premier League outfit Tottenham."
Why Can't we try and get this Lad?
Mudit (India)
Because he's dreadful.
The Moon.
He isn't good enough?
Completely overrated!
Nozzla
Plays same position as kagawa and isn't on his level
Because he wanted EPL to be his stepping stone for his beloved Barcelona. competition is so fierce there that he just want to prove his game to them and join them as soon as they come calling.
so no big club is taking chance when they know that player will demand to leave in 3 seasons
Yes but he might be available so we should sign him!
Very lightweight
DL10
Way overrated!
/The Dane
Every time I have seen him (live and on tv) he has been excellent. I see him more as a CM playmaker than an attacking midfielder like Kagawa.
14 Aug 2013 22:38:00
Good player, but to be honest, he's only good enough to stand out at a spurs like team. I agree with DL10, he is lightweight. But he is certainly not dreadful as moon suggests.
I honestly believe if Welbeck, Cleverly or Anderson spent this season at Spurs, they would shine and we'd all be raving about them.
The difference is we are elite @ united and it is hard to stand out.
14 Aug 2013 13:11:40
i know Lamela has complex ownership issues but realistically if a price (30m) was quoted and we came straight back with the cash how complex would it still be?
14 Aug 2013 12:36:13
Frankly, I have had enough of hearing things along the lines of "David Moyes is pushing forward in his pursuit of. " And "David Moyes is closing in on. " And "David Moyes will bid for . In the coming days". All of this false hope is extremely disheartening to me as a United fan. I am a very big fan of David Moyes and his work but he HAS to pull his finger out NOW and bring in some players. We still have our title winning squad but it is so important to add to it to fight off City and Chelsea.
Also I believe we should be eyeing up a replacement for Rooney. An unhappy player could be detrimental in the dressing room next year.
Thoughts eds?
Joe the Red
If the delay is because we are trying for top quality then I would rather wait until the last minute than buy an inferior player now. Also it hopefully means Moyes is holding his nerve better than those panicking on here.
It doesn't matter what the manager says when forced to comment to the press what matters is what the players do on the pitch.
We have a good strong young squad with the added experience of Giggs and rio etc to teach the younger players how to maintain focus over the season.
We are in good shape and with everyone slting us and expecting us not to win the pl we are also without the pressure of City and Chelski so its all good.
Come on United!
My thought is you should stop reading tabloids because they make up stories to sell papers. Take everything with a huge pinch of salt then you won't be so disappointed.
Hb
Shall we play the game of listing all the payers we have been linked with this window? Strootman, Garay, Thiago, Fabregas, Modric, Fellaini, Baines, Ronaldo, Bale, Lewandowski, blah blah blah. Papers make so much guff up you can't tell what has any basis of fact.
Joe the red.
We have a title winning squad but not a title winning manager. This makes a big difference as some may say SAF was a given 11 or so points guaranteed.
United needs a statement of intent and currently there is none.
diego
14 Aug 2013 12:59:30
we should;
1, pay the 8mil buyout in kondogbias contract instead of fellanis 23mil
2, forget about marquee signigs and focus on the Barkleys, Hughes and the Classies
14 Aug 2013 13:16:28
We need an experienced midfielder not young kids.y We have to provide a solid platform.
Drawback to that is we turn into Everton with a decent name, need to think big not tiny
Does Kondogbia not have complicated ownership issues?
The Moon.
Are we not meant to be the biggest club in the world?! Yet we are looking at Everton players, none of which would be anywhere near to getting in the Chelsea or city side? Also they have no champions league experience between them!
No name, why does the midfielder need to be experienced? Kondogbia, Verratti, Pogba, Varane, Marquinhos, Phil Jones, just a few players that moved last summer, all I believe still in there teens with varying degrees of solid success. We don't need experience in midfield even though that would be a good thing, we need top quality, and age shouldn't come into it.
Invisible STuey
Noname, that is such a primative way of judging the merits of a possible transfer and it is what is wrong with a large chunk of our support.
Just because they have played for Everton they are not good enough? Maradona played for Napoli, batistuta for Fiorentina, need I go on?
City spent over £30m on a relatively unknown Brazilian midfielder from Russia, we are not in a position to waste such amounts.
Grow up and stop with these meaningless comparisons, they only work on FIFA!
Hb
14 Aug 2013 16:44:21
InvisibleStuey I said experienced because we have carrick at 32. Then cleverley at 24. And nothing in between. We have some good kids in the academy but they are two to three years off the first team. So a player like fabregas (26) or cabaye (27) would be perfect to take the pressure off carrick and not block the young lads coming up.
He wasn't from Russia he was from Ukraine.
Hb, An unknown player that has just won the confed cup beating the European and world champions on the way?! Instead let's spend £15m+ on a left back that still can't get a starting spot in an England shirt and £23m+ on a midfielder that has not played European football before, just take a look at the Munich side that just won the champions league and tell me does Fellaini even get close to lacing any of their boots? No
Sorry Ukraine, quite right. He was definitely worth the fee then :)
Noname no. 1, 2 or 3 (I'm losing count!);
The key word I used was "relatively" unknown. Taking the approx. £35m fee into context I will stand by my claim. I think he's 28 yrs old now, how many times has he played for Brazil? Has he proved himself in a top/competitive league by his age?
Fellaini - certainly wouldn't get in the Munich team - they have possibly the best midfield on Earth! He would improve our midfield although I'd prefer other targets.
Baines plays for Everton too and IMO is one of the best LB's around. I would take him at United all day long.
I agree that Munich have the best midfield by far and that is my point surely we should be looking at top class players that can compete with the likes of Munich, barca, real etc. our midfield lacks that spark we have always had and now the greats have gone we need to replace them with quality. Kagawa has potential but nothing else in their has that ability to compete with the very best. Names luke by the way
Hi Luke,
I do take your point our - midfield really doesn't stand up to some of the best teams. But I think we sometimes forget that we are blessed in other areas, for instance our current options at CB (Vidic, Rio, Evans, Jones, Smalling) and CF (RvP, Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck) are some of the best in Europe.
We definitely need to improve CM badly but so long as we close the gap to some degree some of these other areas will help us out IMO. We don't have to have the best midfield to be the best team, but it does help I admit.
In an ideal world I would love to see Vidal and Fabregas signed as the defensive and creative mids but realistically would be over the moon to get Fellaini and Modric. They would improve us no end and add attributes we are missing.
BTW, apologies for telling you to 'grow up' earlier, probably wasn't needed. We all support the same great team after all!
14 Aug 2013 12:42:46
"Could the old mastermind of the mind games be playing the game of his life from the director's box? Is the Wayne Rooney saga all an elaborate mind game to fool Chelsea?
Traffic was a nightmare on the way home from work yesterday evening. As I sat in congestion listening to the agitated drivers around me honk their horns in a futile gesture I decided instead to relax and listen to the radio.
The sports news came on and Roy Hodgson was talking about Wayne Rooney. I claimed, as the last season reached its climax, as so many others did too, that Wayne Rooney had sealed his fate at Old Trafford and was heading on a one way trajectory towards the exit doors.
Popular opinion is that this scenario is the only one that can and will play out. But then I got to thinking. It seems awfully disingenuous of Sir Alex to leave the club, on one hand recommend Moyes to take his place, and yet on the other hand create a distracting mess around Wayne Rooney that for all intents and purposes is overshadowing preseason as well as the new managers first weeks in charge.
It's a headache he didn't need and one that Fergie seemed to engineer as the season drew its last breaths.
And that's when it hit me, a revelation, and the proverbial lightning bolt. Could Fergie, instead of giving the new man in charge a drama and a problem he neither wants or needs, be actually giving him the best start a manager could ever want, especially when taking up the reins of a club like United?
Hear me out. Towards the end of the season Sir Alex takes Wayne Rooney into his confidence and let's him know that he's retiring and that Moyes will be taking his place.
Probably a clandestine meeting with Fergie, Moyes, Rooney, maybe even the likes of Giggs in attendance. I haven't yet worked out if Hodgson was also privy to the hatching of a masterplan but I'll work through the scenario that played out in my head, which potentially played out in the corridors of power at Old Trafford.
So, Sir Alex asks Rooney to take part in a ruse. He tells him that he's going to engineer a situation whereby it appears that he has lost all faith and confidence in his number 10, there'll be talk of a transfer request. The new manager will be announced, the fact that it's Moyes will further add to the speculation that Wayne's future at the club is uncertain, perhaps even untenable.
He instructs Moyes to set the bait and see who bites, and who better than the newly appointed Chelsea boss?
He knows the media will be hooked on the story, imagine Manchester United losing their former golden boy to Chelsea, it's unthinkable, but it has captured the attention of the press, of Mourinho and it seems that in all likelihood it could and possibly will happen. The dance plays out over the summer, Wayne isn't picked for club games but is fit enough for selection for England? Roy says he's fit to play and is able to separate club from country. It only adds fuel to the fact that his lack of club selection is because he's on his way out and United just haven't had the right offer.
Meanwhile, over a bottle of vintage red wine, Fergie is working alongside the new Chairman to do a deal for Cristiano Ronaldo, the whole Fabregas pursuit has just been another smokescreen designed to give United's rivals cause for celebration as it falls through. They see a United team that's about to lose Rooney, hasn't strengthened their squad, has failed to land their one and only high profile target and, on top of that haven't had great results in preseason.
Moyes' first season almost looks destined for anything but greatness, the United faithful fear a mediocre season and being pipped for league places by their closest rivals. Through it all the United hierarchy, and Wayne Rooney, behind closed doors, are very confident and comfortable.
Their coup of the century, the greatest mind game ever played by the master and his new apprentice will soon be realised, when Ronaldo once again dons the number 7 shirt and lines out to defend the title and challenge for so much more with Van Persie and Rooney alongside him in attack.
If this wildly speculative hypothesis is correct then David Moyes will forever be in the debt of Sir Alex, not just for putting him where he is, but for providing the most amazing foundation for a winning team, while embarrassing the press and Mourinho in the process, for they didn't see it coming.
And Fergie? He loves the club too much not to exercise some Machiavellian brilliance when it's needed the most."
The Moon.
That would be the ultimate long game ruse mate. Unlikely, but how good would that be? Haha.
I read this earlier. i'd like to think it's true.
I dearly hope this is the truth, but somehow I don't think this being the case.
Have thought the same myself but didn't have the balls to post it! Fair play moon.
I found it online, interesting to say the least.
The Moon.
You must have had the widow down in the traffic and enhaled to much fumes! thanks for giving me a laugh.
Moon
You should write a book with that imagination of yours.Epic absolutely epic.
I would absolutely love for this to more than mear fantasy I really would. I would litterally be over th moon (pardon the pun)
We'd still need a midfielder like fellaini but other than that we'd practically walk the league and the champions league final is a likely destination.
Does this story end with a cold pint in the Winchester as we wait for it all to blow over?
Alex Ferguson, thw ultinate godfather of the premier league. If anyobe can pull it off, its SAF
Mick
That was awesome. I was gripped to every word. If only.
You could get a script writing job for Ennerdale based on that!
Lol I hope so mate but highly unlikely!
How can you explain wayne's poor body language toward the end of the season as part of the ruse? Like I said, would be quality if TRUE but can't see it
Hb
It could work if betting odds was in play against man utd, people will make a killing right now as chelski and man city are favourites.
Donny
One problem:Why would Rooney Consent to putting his already fractured relationship with the fans on the chopping block?
BornIntoIt
14 Aug 2013 14:26:28
There was a theory about rooney's so called tantrum 2 years ago too that it could have been also engineered by saf to force glazer to spend some more dough and that ronney was getting better wages anyway
Mickey
Haha I've thought something along the same lines but its never been anything more than a thought. I mean why would Fergie say right at the end of his reign 'Wayne's asked for a transfer' making the hard job of taking over the biggest managerial position in the world even harder? SAF loves the club way too much to go do something as silly as that without bloody good reason behind it, so maybe?
Ozwald
Moon, great post by the way!
Ozwald
Nice imagination but even SAF would've struggled to get SG to play a role by faking WR "Confiding in him.".
Ben
I think the eds have engineered the whole thing, let's be honest it's the only thing that has been keeping the United site going through this transfer window
Jred
Moon
This ranks alongside the Ronaldo rumour posted last week where RM got a share of the increase in our share price.
Guys, I didn't write it. I copied it from a blog.
I don't really think its plausible but I found it very interesting to read.
The Moon.
I definitely wouldn't rule out the chance of a 'double bluff', good post Moon. Interesting.
14 Aug 2013 12:38:08
Hi all
Just looking at the recent reports that Willian would be available. Pretty pricey at 30m but I haven't seen an awful lot of him to judge whether that's reasonable.
Any thoughts on him?
Thanks in advance
Would rather get lamela at that price
19JackC94
Isn't he touring with the Black Eyed Peas?
AJH
Classic mate :-)
Rk16
AJH does pull off some crackers. :)
Well I Am - very impressed with AJH's post too :)
14 Aug 2013 11:26:35
Question for ED`s, and all members. Transfer days are passing, league start is just in few days, lot of talks but still nothing. Do you expect that we sign anyone till deadline?
Thanks
Steppewolf {Ed044's Note - The club are making an effort to bring players in.}
14 Aug 2013 11:12:58
With apparent relations breaking down between AC Milan and CSKA, regarding the transfer fee for Keisuke Honda, would anyone here grumble if we stepped in and make an offer ourselves?
His contract with CSKA expires in Jan 2014, therefore a potential transfer fee with CSKA would be minimal to take him this Summer.
If Rooney was to leave, I think Honda would do good job for us. He's plays with Shinji very well, with an almost telepathic connection between the two, and also chips in with a good amount of goals too.
As the transfer fee would be fairly minimal, and wages nothing too extravagant, it would allow Moyes to still bring in a 'marquee' signing in the form of a central midfielder (i.e. to sit alongside Carrick).
Thoughts and comments welcomes as always.
WF Red Devil
I would actually love him at United.
he can play deeper as well.
a great understanding with Kagawa, incredibly creative.
Although ask yourselves why Milan have pulled out?
CSKA are probably asking for a lot of money to negotiate.
The Moon.
Agreed Moon, and thought the exact same thing. I can only assume that Milan have an 'understanding' with the player and have agreed to just wait until January? Either way, if there's an opportunity to enter the race for the lads signatures, and get Kagawa to 'influence' things, I would be delighted if he arrived at Old Trafford.
WF Red Devil
I think we should definatally go in for him, we should sign a pre contract agreement with him so Cska can see he's coming to us in january for free anyway then try negotiage him for now much like spurs did with holtby
Imagine signing someone deeper then have A Line up like;
4-2-2-2; DDG - Raf, Vid, evans, Evra - Carrick, Def Mid - Kagawa, Honda - RVP, Rooney.
To me, that would be one of the most devastating teams in the league.
add some steel in terms of Fellaini, Kondogbia, Obiang and we'll be good to go.
The Moon.
I'd play 4-2-3-1 with Rooney, Kagawa and Honda as the 3 rotating/playing behind V.Persie.
Certainly a mouthwatering prospect either way!
WF Red Devil
14 Aug 2013 10:51:10
Linked with Ozil today. there's a player worth getting excited over. I remember being absolutely gutted when he moved to Madrid after being linked with us for so long. Suppose it will depend on Bale but anyone know if Madrid or infact the player would talk?
Stuey
Isn't he a bit too much like Kags. Probably usual lazy journalism. Hope not though, he's mint!
Gaz44
We should have an opening bid of 40mil to reduce negotiation times
19JackC94
14 Aug 2013 10:43:49
So quiet on the transfer front. Even the tabloids can't make stuff up, or atleast the big stories anyway. Hoping it is the quiet before the storm
14 Aug 2013 09:23:56
Just read Moyes will turn to youth instead of marquee signings, Geoffrey Kondogbia, Julian Draxler and Jetro Willems, although this was only off caughtoffslide so. also I don't even know who the third player is jus that he's a young left back from PSV. I would be more then happy with the first two though
All three players are excellent prospects, but should change their name to liarliarpantsonfire. They peddle bulls**t all day long. I would not believe it.
I would take all 3 tbh, we were looking at willems a couple of years ago, but think saf decided he needed a little time in the dutch league to develope further so went for buttner (to everyone surprise) instead, personally I think he is a great player and would be an ideal replacement for evra and may mean playing buttner in front as a winger (which I believe he started as)
dags
All three only 19 too, but if caughtoffslide are as bad as no name says I will forget about um for now. also do we really need another LB this season. we have evra buttner and fabio all on the books, seems a bit daft to me
I'd like Draxler but we should of done this long time ago.
Noname, strangely enough I was thinking the opposite might be true. Now that barca have neymar, real have isco and are after bale, Chelsea got loads of am's and added schurrle, city got jovetic and navas, Bayern have plenty options and added goetze and thiago - is now not the ideal time to go in strong for draxler?
Offer £25m to £30m and tell the player we want to build our attack around him, kags and rvp. Might be worth a shot and hopefully none of the big boys would gazzump us?
Hb
14 Aug 2013 09:20:12
Iv'e been informed that the Equaliser has cancelled his papers & milk and headed off to his caravan in The Lakes, as he does not expect the Real business to be done untill the last 2 or 3 days of the window. Albert Morgan has been left in charge of recruitment should an emergency arise during Eds abscence.
Raffa
I see what you did there not bad Rafa
Will be interesting to see how many get that equaliser reference, although I would say the odds are against us, and we do need help lol
How about 'Callan' - or am I the only one who's so old!
Al D Red
14 Aug 2013 08:04:06
Michael Carrick a few years ago was being slaughtered on here
Now you all love him
I see the same happening with cleverly
Nani looks like he's goanna stay so I hope he impresses and gets back to his old self
I don't mind fellaini either but I don't think moyes will buy him from his previous club
Not long until Swansea now my prediction is 3-2 to us
Remember people let's get behind moyes and our team and show some loyalty
Exactly! . And he's come through the academy. He's one of our own. How many top English clubs can say that about players these days?
On top of that, Sir.Alex, Roy Hodgson, and now David Moyes played him or play him regularly for United/England. And I am sure no one on the rumour site is more knowledgeable than the greatest manager of all time, another managed who has managed around Europe, and another very respected manager manager in the premier league combined.
So, some people need to get behind the team rather than just whine and cry.
Michael Carrick has always been a class operator in the midfield evan at 24 which is what Cleverley is now. He is so far ahead of Tom Cleverley it's frightening.
Cleverley is nothing more than a squad player, he doesn't create goals, he doesn't score goals, in fact I don't actually know what he does apart from run around in circles making 5 yard passes to the side, runs off and does it again and again and againand again and again. . .
Simmo
Those 5 yard passes are what create space for others to work in.
Miso
Michael carrick never through our academy he was signed from spurs in 2006
At almost 24 any player should be showing big signs of their potential coming to the fore. If we take (sorry) Pogba who didn't do any time away on loan and is 4-5 years younger you look at him and see the confident CMer we all hope Clevs could be. Its his mannerisms that to me imply the quiet, shy type on the park which can gulf many a strong character off the field. Clevs fails to make any specific role his own which will mean he cannot become a master at an area and because of which will always fall short to others who impose themsleves better at a younger age.
Clevs without a doubt can do a job for us but IMO would be squad player who is used as sparingly as Giggs should be.
And btw I don't rate Carrick all that much either in terms of the best CMers in the world, even though he has had to do a sterling job pretty much on his own for the last few years.
U meant tom cleverly sorry didn't read it properly
Simmo
Sorry to say this but your way off the mark you don't get to play for Manchester United and England if your ability or lack of is as how you describe it.Cleverley plays under orders and restrictions which benefit the team.You constantly hear pundits claim the opposition didn't show up when United get their wins the reason being our so called rubbish midfield and defence do great work that generally goes unnoticed.
You for one
Dylan
He does what he is asked to do, it's called keeping possession. Admittedly he didn't push on as much as I'd hoped he would, but still had a good first full season as a United and England player. Simmo talks about Cleverley not scoring or creating goals as a way of criticising him, well he scored more goals and created more goals than Carrick last season. Carrick has been appreciated over the past couple of seasons. Before that he was treated the same as Cleverley is now and the same as Fletcher was treated in his early years and the same as Gibson was treated before hounded out of the club.
Cleverley is no more than a scapegoat for United fans who are frustrated about our limited midfield options and signings over the past few years. Instead of being chucked in at the deep end, Cleverley should have been eased in gradually with better players playing ahead of him. SAF has to take the blame for the lack of midfield signings. This season is a big season for Cleverley, it will determine whether he will be a regular or just a very useful squad player. It's up to him, but at the very least should be given the time and support by the United fans. He has earned that much for the patience and hard work he has put in since he was 12.
He stays fit, has a great attitude, he is willing to play anywhere asked, is on a very low salary and is a product of our academy and still learning his trade. I struggle to see why people have a problem with him.
Sydney!
Remember fletcher was a late bloomer too, when he started he was slated for being useless but gave 110% and won the crowd over, he was never the greatest player but he did a good job for us and was a solid squad player, clev is the same, works hard, finds space and closes down the opponent, but most importantly he enables others to perform and shine, its no coincidence that carrick has just had his best season for us.
dags
Sydney, How about because he's clearly not good enough or ever going to be? I could name a hundred better players in his position and he's in line up for one of the top 3-4 teams in the world
Hughesy
Why does people complain about cleverley pass'es the ball sideways, well he pass the ball sideways because our wing's play's on the left and the right side or should he just keep the ball and wait until our wing's are in front of him so he can play the ball forwards, give him time, if u don't like him then please keep it to your self, the season is about to start so I want yo enjoy it, life is 2 short 4 complaining and whinning guy's, wait until january and if we are struggleing and cleverley does not show improvement then, I will join u guy's and complain about cleverley.have a nice day guy's zee:)
Hughesy, it's not TC fault he is being selected and that SAF has neglected the midfield. He's a scapegoat.
Sydney!
Agree with Syd, he has sadly become the next in a long line of scapegoats. He's a decent squad player, is homegrown, young, loves the club etc. People just moan because saf didn't buy a world class cm and played cleverly instead. Hardly the players fault!
Look at buttner, lindegaard, welbeck - all good squad players but nothing more than that. So what's the problem? We can't have a squad of 25 world class players, I really don't know what people expect.
Hb
Sydney your love of Cleverley is weird.
Your jockstrap
Yes a Manchester United fan defending a product of Manchester United, very weird. Goober!
Sydney!
14 Aug 2013 07:50:52
Seems Blanc is stepping up in his attempts to get Dreamboat to PSG. If qouted price of 15.5m is starting offer about 18-20m will no doubt get him and I for one couldn't see a better option for our CM for that value?
Lets hope we post notice of intent soon aswell ;)
Who do you mean by dream boat?
Cabaye.
Who is dreamboat?
Bebe?
PRIYA_DEVIL_UTD
14 Aug 2013 07:35:24
People on here repeatedly use the term "he's not United quality" when discussing certain players. So just what is a United quality player these days? It's certainly not the level it used to be at, and we have allow this to happen over a number of years.
Its a bit of a silly phrase. Squads have almost doubled in size over the last 20 yrs, you can't have all 25 world class players as some will hardly play.
Hb
Realistically we have about 5 players that would get in our main rivals teams, the rest wouldn't get anywhere near
johndenton
There are many brain dead fans who think every player must be world-class. It simply isn't feasible and the reason we have been so successful over the years is down to a squad of good players.
Sydney!
I quite like the phrase although it is over used. I know what I mean when I use it and I'm happy to agree or challenge others when they use it.
14 Aug 2013 07:32:46
Even the transfer gossip pages over the last few days don't carry a story a about united signing anyone. Even the tabloids can't make anything up.
14 Aug 2013 03:27:06
Hey all, just a quick comment but I have a sneaky/strange feeling that a 3rd bid could go on for fabregas and it could go down to the wire on deadline day?i could be totally wrong and I'm not saying he will sign but I do have a gut feeling. what do ye all think?sydney?fresh?
Fabregas came back from tour with a slight injury, if that clears up, as expected, and he is available for Barca's first game this weekend then there was a rumour that he would see what his involvement with the first team was this Sunday. Given the nature of how the deal progressed and Uniteds statement I don't think it is totally dead but does only have a low chance of happening
I think it's too late for that deal now. If united had gone in with an offer of £40 million before Fabregas' press conference I think Barca would have accepted it. Now that he's stated how much he loves the club, Barca can't sell due to the potential backlash from fans already gutted to lose Thiago.
14 Aug 2013 02:43:33
why don't we make a move fort kaka.
he needs game time on a top stage in order to get into the brazil world cup squad and that may still be difficult at madrid.
i know he's old and had a few injury problems but no one can deny his talent and couldn't the same be said about Rvp when he was bought. I could very well see him having a similar impact as rvp did.
Kaka days are numbered. he has been poor for 2 seasons now and I wouldn't waste a penny on him.
Kaka's biggest mistake was signing for Real Madrid, he never recovered after that.
Plus the wages he's on must be unreal, that's why Madrid probably can't get rid of him.
Simmo
I'd only take Kaka if it was on a free and a pay as you play contract - too injury prone unfortunlately
When fully fit though there is no denying his talent. he is only injured as he never gets that string of games that he needs. I also beleive he would be willing to take a pay cut in order to force thru any move due to this year been the one in which he needs to be playing and atching the eye of the brazilian coach in order to make it to the worldcup
Good idea, let's put a bid in for Fat Ronaldo whilst we are at it.
13 Aug 2013 23:53:25
Anyone who follows brasilian football happen to know how Ganso has been getting on, supposed to be next kaka and we are looking for someone of his ability
Last I heard was a very similar story to Jack Rodwells.
Good player, great potential but his injuries are taking a hold on his career massively.
the next progressive step he should have made would have seen him move into Europe the same way Neymar and Lucas have.
but he's missed months through injuries and he's not 1/2 years behind them while also being slightly older.
if we're looking for somebody like him then as i've said a million times Pedro Obiang is your man.
The Moon.
He is too slow mate but he does have all the skills and technical side but doesn't have the same physical attributes as kaka
He at one point was the next big thing, really shocked to see that he's faded away to this extent.
singh
Has he not since picked up since his move to Sao Paulo