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14 Jan 2014 22:41:02
Rafael the silva has took to Instagram and stated he is not
Leaving united, good news. Why fix something that ain't even broken!
Can anyone help with who they possibly think realistically will purchase this month?
Coentrao and no one else. But if Nani is to go to Sporting then one would assume that William Carvalho may be involved.
Cheers lad, I expect only the one signing I'm afraid
14 Jan 2014 22:45:12
Plenty of lads on here losing the head with transfers or lack of. For me at best we were only ever going to sign 1 maybe 2 in this window and neither would be classed as "big" signings.
There are still 2 weeks left and I still expect some activity but even if not the summer is when I will judge Moyes and woody. they cannot be judged in this window and all the signs are pointing towards real top quality players been earmarked for the summer.
At least in 6 months Moyes has identified the areas that need strengthening while Fergie failed to see that for the last few years and used the cow next door story to try keep us all sweet.
Maybe i'm being naive but I think come the end of the summer and world cup we will all be licking our lips at the thought of the new EPL season and seeing our new look team for the first time. exciting times ahead lads.
I don't think most knowledgeable football fans expected a big change in January, I just think most were hanging on hope more than anything and trying to be positive. I am really excited though to see what Moyes can do given a little time and money over the next few years as I can see a big change.
I agree and quite encouraged to hear about the type of players he is looking at.
I think it is not a money issue but about availability. I have a feeling Gundogan is on for the summer and that might affect what else we are looking at whether this window or jan.
14 Jan 2014 22:15:52
If there are any Ed's around, could you give us your take as to why Zaha hasn't had a chance despite playing quite a lot in preseason? Will he go out on loan or now be given a chance after 6 months bedding into the squad?
Thanks.
{Ed004's Note - Moyes just must not rate him}
Moyes likes work horses like Valencia and Januzaj. Zaha is a luxury winger like Ronaldo was but not as good 'obviously'. It's unlikely our left winger will be a luxury signing, when we bring one in it will almost certainly be an hard worker, not a flair player.
If that's the case Syd then it's very sad. A Rolls Reus would be ideal.
Fresh, I would say Reus works hard.
14 Jan 2014 22:11:13
Ive read some ask why would he(vidal/koke/gundogan in fact any bloody body) sign for us. simple answer.
We are Manchester united, full stadium every home game, full stadium every away game, unreal away support, top facilities, great tradition, great recent and post war history, pay top wages to top players. The potential to win and consistently compete for top honors year in year out. If you pay top wages you will get top players regardless of what your league position is. City got them before they got into champions league. who attracted the 1st wave of players into city? Mark Hughes. with what european experience? after winning what? so did spurs this year even after selling their best player. MONEY TALKS. we have always still do and still can pay the very best wages to our biggest stars. For me vidal fits into that category, IMO one of the most complete midfielders in the world his natural game looks tailor made for EPL. Moys should insist the club pay whatever it takes to secure him. if there is even a glimmer of hope they will sell in Jan he should get it done even if they pay OTT. throw in vidic / nani just get it done. woody needs to remember money talks
Ken
Money talks up to a point. Should we throw in Rooney? January is difficult, get real. This is transition year, Summer is where we need to build.
Great post Ken
Paulo - finishing fourth this season will make rebuilding a hell of a lot easier in the summer. We need up to eight players. We should sign at least two of them in this window to make sure we finish in the top four (a CM and a left sided player).
If we were to buy all of the players we need in the summer not only would we finish outside the top four this year but would likely perform poorly next season as well given that it will take 6-8 new players a considerable amount of time to bed in and gel (just look at Spurs).
Ideally we will pick up a CM and LB/LW this window, a second CM, a CB, a LB/LW and a RW in the summer and then another top striker and potentially another CB in the following few windows.
14 Jan 2014 21:53:39
If we don't sign anyone this window (namely a midfielder) for me it will show more ineptitude of moyes and Woodward. They've had months to plan this.
Here's hoping that doesn't happen.
I think having Darren fletcher back is like a new signing to him
I'd rather a fully fit DF than a panic buy. Yes, if quality becomes available go for it. But there really aren't many options available, and any selling club will know this and use it to bump the price beyond what we're not willing but someone else is willing to spend (in my opinion) I.e. if Vidal and/or Pogba really are avaliable then why wouldn't City or Chelsea take a look?
14 Jan 2014 21:49:30
Do u guys think sending Ando to Fiorentina and bringing Lingard back means we might bringing in a mid. Also Nani could leave so the positions are covered?
Nani and Anderson never even make the bench so they don't need replacing or their positions to be covered. It doesn't meant there will be signings. Hope Lingard plays well though.
To be fair Fresh mate, Nani has been injured and when fit has made the bench. I think Ando has been wrapped up in cotton wool so we can sell him this month.
14 Jan 2014 21:12:59
Reports that Moyes is at the PSG game tonight. He's also said to have met with Bruno de Carvalho (the president of sporting) earlier today in France.
Who knows what he is planning? Probably flogging Nani, maybe William Carvalho? He's at every game these days.
Is Carvalho a hard worker? Does he get up and down the pitch putting in a shift? I have never seen him play.
Sorry Syd - but I don't really pay much attention to the Portuguese and Dutch leagues so haven't seen enough off him to make a real judgement.
When I have seen him play for Lisbon he tends to play just in front of the defense but does get forwards (he scored in the 3-1 loss to Porto earlier in the season).
He came on for the national team in the 3-2 victory over Sweden at the end of last year as well but didn't really have an impact (although I suppose it says a lot that the NT manager trusted him to come on and help the team hold on to a lead).
Redseven, thanks for the reply. Does anyone know if Konopylanka is a hard worker?
Redseven, I see from your summary of Carvalho they you also read wikepedia!
Betty - I've watched him play in three games this season and gave a summary based on that.
Sydney - I've only ever seen him play for the national team against England and in all honesty I wasn't really focusing on him specifically on either of those occasions. That said - he stood out in both games! He scored a cracker against us back in 2012 that curled into the top right hand corner from some distance which you will no doubt remember.
Redseven, I meant no offence mate, just banter. Go look at Wikepedia, and the you will see their assessment of Carvalho is remarkably similar.
Sydney he is a little bit like Pogba in terms of built and potential. It seems every team is looking for the stereotype Toure/viera type player and players like Carvalho fit the mould if they keep progressing.
16 Jan 2014 00:29:40
Betty - I see your point. I suppose those are just the most pertinent bits of information about the player. Either that - or like me - the person who wrote his wpedia entry only bothers to watch the big teams play each other in Portugal (Porto, Lisbon, Benfica).
14 Jan 2014 20:34:40
As good as welbeck has been recently O would like him and Valencia to drop out of Team when Rooney and RVP return then we could have Januzaj Rooney and kagawa all interchanging positions behind van Persie
Have wanted to see this for a while, doubt it would happen as it would potentially leave our wingbacks open to be doubled up on by opposition players.
Welbeck has not been good mate and he will be firmly on the bench the minute RVP and Rooney are back, don't you worry about that. :)
14 Jan 2014 19:54:44
Ok so we are 2 weeks into a 4 week transfer window & we are being linked with every player that has pulled on a pair of boots. I was hoping that after the farce of the summer transfer window we might compose ourselves, pick our targets, find out if they are available & willing to join us at an agreeable fee then get them. But no we have 2 weeks left & still not even a mention of talking to other clubs. All we have got is Anderson is going, so is Nani, Vidic is not going to re sign, both De Silvas going, Zaha not given a chance, Giggs & Ferdinand both to quit at end of season, Evra to leave in the summer, Rooney to Chelsea etc etc. We are going to need a massive squad overhaul & still we dither. People no longer fear United & unless Woodward/Glazers deliver some real quality & quickly this will get worse. I really feel for Moyes as he has been well & truly dropped in the brown stuff.
Ha!
Do you actually think that if we were in negotiations with anyone, that we (the supporters) would be informed?
If something was to happen you'll hear about it on the stock exchange first.
By not commenting, the club will try to keep some face by saying nothing and denying everything.
14 Jan 2014 19:47:39
I think united are in the position liverpool were in 3 years ago a lot of underachieving players who have to go and bring top quality so here goes Amos Lindegaard Vidic Rio Evra Fabio Buttner Anderson Young Nani Macheda Giggs to retire and Bebe that's 13 out and maybe need to bring 7 left back goalkeeper midfielders wingers this should be done over two windows this january and the summerthen we would have a quality team rather than quanitity
Blimey Paddy, you want 13 players to retire! That seems a bit harsh. :-)
I know but really only giggs will be retiring
14 Jan 2014 18:04:42
If there's any summer when it is more likely to persuade a player to come to a club that doesn't have Champions League football, it's this one. The next world cup is 4 years away, so there's plenty of time to stake a claim - and indeed if you're instrumental in bringing a club back to the top, then that claim will be a very good one. Also with fewer matches, assuming no Europa Cup, you and your team will be more rested, and less prone to injury. If Liverpool had European competition this year would they be riding so high in the league? There are benefits to a less hectic schedule.
In all, I don't think Champions League football next year will be quite such a clincher as some people are suggesting. More important will be the money and belief in the club, the coach, his project, playing time, position and ego.
We will make top 4 I'm sure. I am really hoping that the leverage of the World Cup could bring us one or two players (Mata and Coentrao) as both need to be playing to feature in their respective countries squads.
14 Jan 2014 17:56:26
Attitude,
It's getting a bit far down the page to post a reply about Mata. But I can't see why three of Rooney, Mata and Januzaj behind the striker wouldn't work well? Januzaj is as good on the right as he is left, I don't think it matters where he plays as he always excels. Kagawa and Valencia would be there for rotation with Young and Nani being sold with Zaha getting a much needed loan move.
There's no chance Chelsea would sell Mata to us
14 Jan 2014 19:38:09
Fresh.
Couple of Reasons mate.
Mata doesn't track back enough, and Moyes want someone who does this.
Mata for me is a perfect No.10, He hasn't been effective on the wings played this season for Chelsea.
I would want two/one exploding wingers to be purchased someone like Hazard and lay him with Rooney and Januzag.
Attitude
I didn't recognise your Post as there was an Absence of Random capital Letters. Looking forward to seeing this chap Januzag
14 Jan 2014 16:40:56
Anyone else think it might be worth playing Adnan on one wing and Jesse Lingard on the other in one of the upcoming games? Would love to see Jesse show the Premier League what he possesses
Lingard won't get to start ahead of Valencia but I think he will get a chance from the bench in the next few weeks. the guy deserves it.
He really isn't that far behind Adnan in terms of skill, Adnan is better at shielding the ball and a better runner but Lingard should be given a chance in our current team. His goal last night was top class.
Really think Zaha should get a go first!
I think we will have Valencia, Young, Januzaj, Kagawa and Lingard come the end of the window. Really hope that he gets his chance and performs well. No reason why he can't.
Ste, to be honest mate he's been that neglected I even forgot he played for us. That's not good is it? Haha
14 Jan 2014 16:34:26
According to ssn, the agent of Rafael and Fabio has stated that BOTH could be leaving OT this summer.
BOTH?!
Apparetly Inter and Napoli are interested in Rafael. Selling him would be a terrible move, does he want out? You have to wonder.
That could mean we lose Rafael, Fabio, Evra, Rio and Vidic this summer. so in other words, we'd need a new RB, new LB and 2 x new CB's along with the pressing midfield matters, the wingers and the possibility of losing Rooney.
According to Sky, Seamus Coleman is someone Moyes wants to replace Rafael. Coleman's a quality player, but IMO, he's not as good as Rafael.
I'm hoping this is the agent stirring up nonsense because Rafael has always looked happy at United. If he is being shown the door it is a huge error of judgment on Moyes's part. The club developed Rafael into a top class right back, and now we're willing to let him go so we can 'attempt' to bring in a lesser replacement. Has Moyes learned nothing from the Fellaini debacle? If he tries to buy from Everton they will rinse him.
I find if you treat most stories on tv as a load of rubbish you're usually right.
Im not saying I want this to happen don't think any United fan would but Coleman is REAL quality and would not be a step down IMO but not necessarily a step up either they are both better going forward than defending.
Nothing like working yourself up into an angry, self-righteous rage, Danny, without knowing absolutely any of the facts.
You start off by saying you hope its the agent at fault, before launching into Moyes on an, 'if', and a pretty big 'if', at that.
Deep breath now, count to ten, and relax. Repeat after me, 'they're only rumours. they're only rumours. they're only rumours. moyes is the one. they're only rumours. they're onl'.
Rafael will not be leaving, Fabio will. I think its as simple as that.
I don't think Rafael will leave. But, the quotes come from his agent. That's not just a rumour, it's got a bit of legs on it. Now I suspect that the agent is angling for a new deal for Rafael, and Coleman is mentioned because he is an Everton player and is doing well. However, IF Moyes is thinking about getting rid of one our best young players, and replacing him with an, inevitably, overpriced lesser Everton player, then he would want his head checked.
It doesn't take a genius to realise just how much better we are down the right side when Rafa plays, he's ha a few injuries but that's no reason why DM would sell him, maybe get in back up though.
It is quite an odd statement guys. I don't ever remember their agent making any news of this sort in the past.
Being in the middle of our toughest season in years, it is not the best message of unity and commitment by the players.
Maybe the stories about a split in the dressing room are true and some will get shipped out for reasons other than footballing ability.
First Vidic's agent and now these guy's agent.
Sounds to me like rafael's agent wants a new deal for him
Honerbadger, I think you may well be right. With all the talk of Rooneys contract talks, all the other players agents will surely be keeping a close eye on the situation. He is already on massive wages, and if the club bow to his reported demands of a further rise then maybe others will demand the same. Of course this is just a theory on my part, but it would make sense.
Apparently Rafael had come out on instagram and said he's not leaving,
A non-story? Well, knock me over with a feather duster.
Still, it gave some of us a chance to get our daily rant at Moyes off our chests.
14 Jan 2014 16:23:05
So now it seems Rafael & Fabio 'can leave in the summer'. Fabio I can undestand, although i'd still like to see him given more time to see if he can develop further, . but letting Rafael go and getting in Coleman! Why not solve our midfield issues with Steven Piennar and Leon Osman while we are at it!
Calm down, don't panic over a story on tv. And don't forget it's only a game!
14 Jan 2014 16:05:09
Arsenal fan here, I can't believe how deluded some of u united fans are. Do u honestly think u can sign Vidal and pogba and all the worldies, why the hell would pogba wanna come back to you?. And Vidal why would he join you? Struggling for top 4, your not going to like this, but your going to be the arsenal of the past few years, can't attract world class players just decent ones, they would have for SAF, but no one wants to play for moyes, uve dropped down the pecking order lads, draxler I.e would rather join arsenal now than united, that wouldn't have been the same last year. Then there's the real supporters who don't live in fantasy land who realise this, moyes has to go if u ask me, otherwise u turn into us the past 8 years. Doing nothing fighting for the top 4 as your 'trophy'. I'm not having a go. Just live in the real world. Anyway wish u the best of luck against chelsea hope u can nick a point.
@Valley-gooner
We are Manchester United and we do what we want.
Arsenal of the last 8 years? so Ozil, Ramsey, Chamberlain, Walcott, Flamini and Bendtner OMG thanks for dropping in bro made me much happier on our transfer targets.
Your talking as if you have won a trophy, did I miss something? who said we were ever in for draxler?stop guessing at things and wait until the season is over then come back and have you say.
Haha no matter where we come this season or for the next 2-3 for that matter United will be a bigger club than Arsenal so you can calm down.
Our status as one of the most successful football clubs in the world of football for the past two decades will make us appealing to a lot of the best players in the world. Our sponsorships and fan base along with one of the best training facilities of any sports club around the world means that there's no reason why we won't be back at the top very soon.
Makes me laugh how all these gooners have a good first half of the season in years and suddenly think they're the dogs boll**ks. Think it's you that needs a reality check mate.
Just wanted to point out that you were struggling for top four last year. Ozil still signed for you. The same Ozil who spent the entire of deadline day waiting to see if United would make an offer before he signed for you his second choice. Don't worry about us, go get some silverware, up your banter a little then come and give it the large. Until you win a trophy you'll be nothing more than 'that team we beat 8-2.' Rosie out.
Really, when did you speak to Draxler? Not deluded? I think you'll find that no one has actually said we will be signing Vidal and pogba. I love the old arsenal bit. Is that like old labour and new labour? Ffs. Wasn't long ago you lot were calling for wengers head on a plate.
Have arsenal won anything yet?
14 Jan 2014 17:43:46
Nice one Valley G,
Rattled some cages nicely, guess finding out the best ever squad wasn't that after all and the injury to RVP showing them exactly who won them the title and exactly how pants their team really is is pretty painful.
Chin up boys your coming to the bridge!
Let's see who parks the bus, or in your case the clapped out transit van.
{Ed004's Note - Classless , bitter fans...*sigh* atleast your manager showed how much he respects this club when he came to Old Trafford and parked the bus didnt play any of his strikers that day (Torres, Eto'o, Ba and not sure of Lukaku had been loaned yet)}
"Arsenal fan here, I can't believe how deluded some of u united fans are"
Posts like this bring to mind the old saying:
Sell the market when your best friends mrs starts to talk stock markets and how well she is doing in this new thing called options and figures she is a pro now and buy the market when your banker warns you of all the dangers out there.
The above post is generally a good indication of maybe we have seen the bottom and things are about to turn up :)
14 Jan 2014 17:57:16
Where is Nicolas. alias. giant. master. Bendtner these days?
Arsenal look in great shape but they could easily miss out on the league to city or Chelsea and easily end up trophyless for yet another year, almost a decade. I think you touched on a few valid points but tbh you've massively jumped the gun here making out you know we'll be in this position for the foreseeable future.
1. You bought ozil when you struggled to finish top 4 and hadn't won a trophy for 8 yrs. We are current epl champions and have won many trophies in last 8 yrs with many of the players still in our squad
2. Teams like Chelsea and real have always bought top quality players no matter what the league position
3. Top players have always signed for clubs regardless with managers who are not highly rated, again chelsea and real are examples
4. Contrary to popular belief we do have money to spend and aren't in the situation arsenal were in having tied their money up in a new stadium
5. With our support, revenue, stadium etc. It would take a few years in the wilderness before your prediction came true. We are not in the position Liverpool were in during early 90's (although some will have you believe otherwise) and not quite the situation arsenal have been in during the last 8 yrs
Finally, i'm not being complacent here as I know we have lots of work to do including improving our form, buying some good players and finding the right tactics. Perhaps moyes is not the right man, i'm not sure but I am sure that people are writing us off to soon. We are a huge club with a great history (including recent) and are financially very stable.
I guess all this inevitable taunting from opposition fans will make our climb over the next couple of seasons all the more rewarding :D
14 Jan 2014 16:03:02
This is just a gut feeling, but with the sudden outburst of Zidane and Buffon saying how big a mistake we made with Pogba, I can think it could be a response to our interest. Inititially I thought our interest was just lazy journalism but now I'm not so sure.
I have mixed feelings about it tbh.
I'm struggling to see it to be honest but would happily be proven wrong. It would definitely be either or Pogba / Vidal as no way would both be allowed to leave in the same window.
14 Jan 2014 20:09:59
Steve k
What your forgetting is. Villa boas was an exiting European coach who speaks spanish, Portuguese and great English, had won the league at Porto with a lot of sympathy for him after his sacking at Chelsea.
Rodgers at Liverpool can attract names because he worked under mouriniho at Chelsea and has an attack good football philosophy.before that Kenny Dalglesh was a legend, who could attract players. Also all had European experience
What has moyes got to attract players,
success? No
Charm? No
Great football philosophy no
European experience no.
I'll give him 2 years max. Our share price has dropped 250mil in just over 2 month. Glazers are buisness men. They won't care what ferguson thinks or says they will expect more from moyes as in their eyes this team won the league last season.
And when the fans get on his back over the season and start chanting moyes out and rival supporters shouting your getting sacked in the morning, it won't take long, beleive me.
Draig, why was AVB exciting? Because he speaks 3 languages? I must be an exciting fella too then! Think you'll find the average Spurs fan wouldn't agree with that description.
Rodgers has won nothing in the game - I doubt, until this season, that any foreign players would have even heard of him. Just because he used to work for Mourinho? Do me a favour.
What world-class players has he attracted by the way?
And European experience? Think you'll find Moyes has more than Rodgers, albeit that's still not very much.
You're clutching at straws.
As for charm, SAF was a real bundle of laughs, wasn't he? Really held him back. Not that you know Moyes personally to be able to comment on that anyway. You have no idea what the man is really like.
Players will come to Utd because of many reasons, the manager only being one of them.
All this talk of managers attracting players or not is part nonsense when we're talking about La Liga, Serie A (and PL following suit) when said player is looking for a 4 or 5 uear contract amd very few managers last more than 2 years. There are exceptions of course but it seems to me that they sign first and foremost for the club - or at least the club that oays them the most ;-)
14 Jan 2014 15:41:52
Sorry but it just isn't going to happen this January.
The only player I can see coming in is maybe Contreo and i'm not very optimistic about that to be honest.
It's ok Moyes saying the players that he is targeting are not available until the summer which must mean that they are all playing Champions League Football.
But David.what happens if we don't make the top 4 and don't get Champions League Football for next season. Who will want to come and play for us then?
If he doesn't make at least two signings, a midfielder being one of those signings then he just has no excuse and is making a rod for his own back.
He has had 6 months now to gauge the squad, everybody knows what we need and there are players out there to be had.
These pathetic excuses are just becoming laughable now and to be honest i'm getting a bit pi**ed off with him.
It seems to be all doom and gloom with him, he's never positive at a press conference and comes out with the same crap everytime he's asked about transfers.
Like I said, if no new players come in we are completely stuffed.
I would be extremely suprised if we break into the top 4 this season. if we don't break into the top 4 where then, and what players are going to want to join us?
Oh the irony of David Moyes being called all doom and gloom, in one of the biggest doom and gloom posts I've read on here :)
If we miss out on top 4, we miss out. The sky will not fall in, there will not be an Armageddon.
If Suarez could go to Liverpool when they were 30 points behind us and not even getting Europe League football, and 5th placed Spurs could attract the players last summer, that many on here were salivating over, then I think Utd will cope in still attracting players.
Or we could just go out and buy a lot of available, decent, if average players now to tide us over, then gurn in the summer that we've no money, and no room left in our squad for proper talents.
Money talks
Stevie K
You talk nonsence my friend!
Your obviously quite relaxed about our current situation.
You are deluded if you think we could attract players when we are not playing in the champions league.
We struggle to attract them now!
When you say average players what players are you talking about because there are some really good midfielders available NOW and are not playing champions league.
Benega, Llanna, Rakitic to name but a few. let's face it they would improve our side and yes it it meant paying 20 million pounds out and improving our chances of getting in the top 4 then it's a no brainer isn't it?
Good point, well made jred.
Finishing top 4 will have very little in attracting players. It is a red herring that is conveniently used.
If we are willing to sanction spending at a level where buying club and selling club see eye to eye, the players will come.
Given the fact that most of us have no Idea on the details of transfer dealings, I recommend before we start accusing the club or the manager of stuff, let's wait and see what happens.
I would rather get the best players than make do players even if that means we wait till the summer.
Simmo, I refer you to my previous comment re. Suarez, Erickson, Lamela etc.
Simmo
Deep breath now, try and focus out he positives, come on, I know you can do it. You didn't answer the questions - other teams have managed to sign quality players when not in the top 4 and they do not have the pull of United. I am worried for your heart as you always seem on the verge of a seizure. Go hug a tree man
Shahram, I don't think I care for your non-hysterical tone.
You need to work yourself up into a rage over false rumours, and run round like Chicken Licken, panicking over our inevitable slide into oblivion, if you want to survive on here!
StevieK
LOL, just too bloody aged to get worked up on stuff like this. No matter how much you kick and scream, certain things will work themselves out a specific way no matter way, so better save all that energy on other stuff.
We have a big game this weekend and hoping to hear some good news on jones, RVP and Rooney, who can influence the outcome of that game.
AJH
If you have nothing important to say don't say it, what a waste of a post.
Not even football related.
14 Jan 2014 15:33:33
Ed, if you were a betting man (maybe you are) and you had to put a bet on one of Gundogan or Vidal signing, who would you pick? Which is more likely? Sorry if this has been asked before!
{Ed004's Note - Vidal}
Thanks ed, I would of thought Gundogan would be easier to sign given his contract situation etc.
14 Jan 2014 14:31:45
Eds, Do you see ManUtd getting any players this transfer window, or will the fans have to wait till the summer? Coentrao, Garay were both close to be done but nothing yet! What do yall think?
{Ed004's Note - I was over optimistic in the summer maybe I'm being pessimistic now, but I can't see any signings though we need atleast 2 IMO}
14 Jan 2014 14:48:17
ED04, You are argubly the most Realestic around here. I had a feeling of getting atleast 1 after those first half horror show, But its getting slimmer day by day. I ain't getting what's DM mind, have they given up the Top4 and wanna concentrate from next summer?. I don't see many arriving in summer without CL or without even a fight this term. Pretty sure, chelsea would get Rooney and RVP would go in for another Rehab.
We need to Beat Chlesea this weekend.
Attitude, I don't think anyone can say that Moyes doesn't WANT to sign anyone. I'm sure there is a comprehensive list of targets. The issue is whether or not these players are attainable, and at the right price.
14 Jan 2014 15:12:08
Thats Rubbish. A blind fool would get an answer If you look those targets. Do we have some replacment or Excuses of not getting targets?.
Are these people paid for their Job?
I think we are negotiating with Garay for a move that will happen in the summer, any move for Vidal would probably happen then as well. I think we could be sniffing around Mata as he clearly wants to leave and January move makes so much sense for him. Nevertheless, the only likely move for me is Coentrao, would like more but its January so we have to be realistic.
{Ed004's Note - I still think we need 2-3 signings now 3-4 in the summer}
Agree 100 % Ed004 we need to invest now, because it's a world cup year, transfers in the summer will be tricky too, especially if we do not make top 4. Betty please explain to me what "The right price" is? If reports are to be believed we want Coentrao as our LB and are trying to secure a loan/buy deal for 12-14m. RM while saying, nobody in out, again reportedly want 18-20m. In the summer AB said Herrera could go for the asking price 36m euros we offered 30. My contention is at the moment ( actually over the last 5 or 6 years but more urgently now) we can't afford to try to play hardball on prices and come up empty again.
If we sign nobody this window probably a better financial plan would be a slower rebuild with more emphasis on promising players but then we are looking at 2-3 years of no CL. We would still need to invest significantly more than our £20m average over the last 6 years.
Attitude, you are the one talking rubbish. It is obvious we have transfer targets, and I'm sure Moyes has a list of who he wants. Whether the club are prepared to spend the money is not the manager's decision. Even if they are, we cannot make a club sell to us if they don't want to. Nor can we make a player come, especially in January. The fact remains, if the right players are available at the right price, we will do our best to sign those players. But I am pretty sure the club will not be held to ransom and pay massively over the odds to buy players.
I heard a little rumour that's fc zenit have bought garay and rodrigo from benfica for £29 million. Not twitter
Grund, the "right price" the price that we feel is reasonable for the player. Why an people not understand that, because its not difficult. If say for example we are interested in Vidal, the club will have a price in mind. If the club feel he is worth £35m, they will not pay £69m for him. Simple. Whether the fans like that or not is up to them, but it won't change anything. I Agree we need 3 or 4 signings asap, but you cannot blame Moyes if the club will not meet the asking prices. That is down to the owners. I'm not a big Moyes fan myself, but I get defensive over him because he is blamed on here for things that are beyond his control.
Betty
If you don't pay over the odds a bit you won't get any top players .
Jred, I agree with you but that is not the point of the post. For the umpteenth time I am just trying to get across that David Moyes does not hold the purse strings. Why is that so difficult to understand? He had said himself that we need a few world class players to compete, but whether of not the club back him in the transfer market is yet to be seen. It would appear that the club will spend a bit over the odds from the Fellaini transfer, but will they pay what it takes to get the very best players? Most sensible people agree that it is difficult to sign top players in January, but where David Moyes is concerned, some of out own fans decide to ignore that fact. How do you propose we sign top players if their clubs don't want to sell? Torture? Ransom? Blackmail?
Betty
If there clubs don't want to sell them you need to pay over the odds.
Why else would juventus want to sell Vidal.
If United want Vidal who is on a long term contract they will have to pay over the odds or they won't get him.
Torture etc won't work
I agree that we need to invest now. But I can't see it happening. The two that in my opinion we could go and get are Coentrao and Mata but it hasn't happened yet. Maybe sign Coentrao in the next few days with a deadline day move for Mata. Stranger things have happened.
14 Jan 2014 14:31:32
Just wanted to gauge opinion on Mata? Do we think he is surplus to requirements? Mourinho certainly doesn't seem to want him and he is too good to be a bench warm. In his first two seasons he racked up 32 goals and 48 assists which is incredible. Would a £27 million bid be enough to tempt Chelsea to sell? This would give them some funds to plough into a move for a striker, and if we gave them first refusal on Rooney could that seal the deal? I'm sure that Mata would be interested in a move and we would be silly not to be. An attacking midfielder who likes the left hand side is what we need with Januzaj / Kagawa or Valencia from the right.
14 Jan 2014 14:52:06
Juan Mata is a quality player like Kagawa, If played at the right position. We or any Top club could get Mata for 30 mill. because he needs first team football for world cup.
But where would you play Mata?.
Janugaz is occupied at Left, Mata isn't effective on wings, because of his lack of speed, which would bother Moyes who wants all 11 players to defend well.
14 Jan 2014 14:54:04
And BTW you Give them rooney, They would walk away with Title, the only mising link in Chelsea is a top quality striker and DM( lUiz playing there)
I wouldn't give them Rooney, what I would do is say 'if he doesn't sign a new deal you have first option on him'. I think Rooney has two or three good seasons left in him before he let's himself go for the last time. We may have given him his pay day or he may of left by then, we don't know yet. If it was me though I would go all out for Mata - he has played on the left for Chelsea on many occasion and has been excellent. Much like David Silva isn't a winger, he still plays on the left and is hugely effective.
Attitude
Mata operates on both sides and can also play as a number 10 in the hole.
14 Jan 2014 15:34:50
Fresh.
I agree your point, Silva and Navas aren"t brilliant tracking back and they have been employed in the wide areas. But City have solid back 4 and solid Midfield, who can break up anything which pass through them.
Mata played at No.10 throughout last seaosn,
And where would kagawa go then?. Since Janugz pays on Left, mata on right wouldn't be effective, As he doesn't cut inside well. (not like robben or ribery type)
Mata is a skillfull player who would link up with striker. that's my opinion.
14 Jan 2014 12:50:24
Can anyone confirm whether Dennis Irwin actually said this or is it made up? "David Moyes is going to build something special at ManUtd. The plans for new players are staggering and very exciting."
I'm sure it was Denis Irwin who said we were going "All out to sign esc Fabregas" last summer. Can anyone tell me whether Irwin is still associated to MUFC? either an ambassador or employee in some way? If he I, I am thinking he might be being put up to say these things. I like many am in a negative frame of mind at the moment so see a "conspiracy" in everything! :)
Would be nice if it is true, anyone know?
Denis Irwin is associated with United so far as he works the vip matchday lounges as a legend, he also does MUTV work. Whether or not this gets him inside knowledge I don't know. My son worked as a waiter in the vip lounge last season and spoke with Denis a lot, but he never mentioned inside transfer dealings.
14 Jan 2014 12:42:10
I think some realism needs to be injected into the site. We are not going to bid for, let alone sign both Vidal and Pogba. The Ed has made it clear that Vidal is the midfielder that Moyes wants but I would think a deal would be out of reach until summer if ever so other targets are being looked at like Herrera. If we get Coentrao this window we should think ourselves fortunate as at the minute, everything seems cold.
It's sad to hear Ronaldo say that he thought about coming back but ended up signing a new deal. We could of had him this year if Ferguson gave us one more year and did the rebuild himself which would of been better in my opinion.
Ronaldo was never coming back and Fergie was capable of another rebuild.
Bad idea Fresh, SAF stays one more year and the new Manager is left with his signings just would not work mate, I think Moyes will get things right but he needs time don't compare him taking over here to any were else because its not the same Chelsea City Bayern jobs were so much easier a task to walk straight into this job was different for many reasons and in the long term we will look back and say he did it his way which is the right way
We would be much better off now if we had Garay, Strootman, Thiago and Di Maria which is what SAF seemed to be lining up. That would of just been the start of the rebuild. But I can see that its good to give Moyes a blank canvas if you will.
14 Jan 2014 10:48:17
Hi Eds,
The Pogba and Vidal double bid is widely spread this morning. I can see Pogba returning myself but think Vidal is a real possibility. Is there any truth to this rumour to your knowledge?
Thanks,
KingGiggsy
{Ed004's Note - Read what Ed 2 has written}
14 Jan 2014 10:12:29
Ed04, You fancy RVP with UTD for long term, He is 30, and he is out injured half of the seaosn. Rooney isn't a striker anymore, Hernandesz and wellback are nothing short of part time strikers.
If you look at RVP past time with Arsenal, I think Wenger did a pretty good deal of getting 24 mill on a 29 year old in his last year of contract.
I have nothing against him and on his day he is pure class (But his days are very very less these days).
We should Bring a high profile world class striker (Not another Tap ins specialist), in the summer.
{Ed004's Note - I would wait a year. RVP surely has atleast 1 year left in him and we have other areas that need addressed}
I agree that another striker would be brilliant. The ideal player would be Ibrahimovic if he was younger and less of an arse. He is the kind of striker that I like, skilful and can score from anywhere.
14 Jan 2014 14:14:38
Ibra. within 6 months. he would start spouting about spain and Italy. The guy is quality and equally a gamble. I think he has played in almost all leagues in his career.
14 Jan 2014 09:08:26
After a couple of reports today online I would also spend 80 million on Vidal and pogba if I were in charge of the purse strings. Add Coentrao and I would have splurged enough for January.
Then again we will probably end up with some unknown midfielder from Cagliari, Laf*****gllana and Baines for 30 million.
14 Jan 2014 09:50:17
Dont loose yourself. Juventus have no interest in selling Vidal and pogba in jan, I don't see them selling Marchisio either in the midway.
I guess either we are wasting our time with Juventus or we will pull one among them.
Don't get me wrong, I'd be surprised if we got Vidal and I would have thought much less likely would be pogba if other reports are to be believed. All I was really suggesting was that if I were (in my own little world) doing our transfers this jan and we supposedly have the money irrespective of the fact one of this players left for free, that is what I would do. Every player(s) has their price Attitude.
1. Pogba couldn't wait to get away from Old Trafford.
2. Juventus do not want to sell
3. Juve will be in the Champions League next year.
Why would he come back?
14 Jan 2014 10:39:05
I agree, Every player has a price, So as the club needs to sell. Juventus is not a midtable, bottom club desperate in need of money, They are pretty tough and a high profile Club both in Italy and Europe.
And I don't think they would seel their best Assets without any replacement, The are aware what happened to Milan after Silva dn Ibra left.
14 Jan 2014 10:45:04
I too don't think Pogba would join UTD, He might Interest City, since Yaya toure is 30 and Juve would like to Bring Jovetic back to Italy.
If you ask me to pick the top 5 best team in Europe Now, City would be in it.
14 Jan 2014 03:34:05
Hey eds/all,
Just wondering if any of the eds are about do ye think now that Anderson is leaving do ye think his number vould be filled by a possible cm coming in or does it mean nothing?are we going to sign anybody this window?if we don't get a left back and a cm this window we are in big trouble in my book.thanks guys
{Ed002's Note - There is a chance he will go. The shirt numbers mean nothing.}
Shirt numbers mean a lot to players Ed there a funny breed some are very superstitious