Manchester United Banter Archive June 14 2012

14 Jun 2012 21:54:26
Heard a little rumour that harry redknapp is hoping to become fergies number two and take over after a couple of years

Ozwald II

So he can take over for about a year when he's in his 70..

RedDevil19

Ozwald II, stop with the bullsh*t posts, they are so sad and embarrassing, you have heard nothing!

GDS

I really don't know why Ozwald II's crap gets posted, its not even funny. Poor attempts at wind ups.

This is a rumour site and if i hear a rumour i am posting it like the rest of you , gds ur nasty and i still havent seen a credible rumour from you , anyway gary neville looks set to join uniteds backroom staff straight after the euros

Unnamed poster above, GDS comes on here for the banter mate, this is a Banter site. You dont need to have a cousin who mows fergies lawn or a copy of the sun to come on here.

leave a name

1redarmy

In fairness theres a few people on here who think they own it and know everything when in truth we're all just guessing and messing and no one is really in the know,,,just relax and enjoy it,its only a bit of fun

The no name poster will be Ozwald II, he keeps posting replies on his own posts with no name as if people agree with him, it is really clear that is what is happening.

I have not posted any credible rumours because I do not have any 'sources' other than Twitter, and do not feel the need to make stuff up to fit in.

I like a good rumour, gets my interest up, but when the rumour comes from somebody's head and is 100% made up it is a little pointless no?

I love the site and I love the banter, I do not think what I said was 'nasty', in my opinion what you said was bullsh*t, I did not slag you off.

GDS
GDS

14 Jun 2012 21:39:50
all this talk of Sneijder's big wage demands, last years everything was agreed only the price with milan, united tried to hold out on the price and got it wrong.

14 Jun 2012 21:18:14
great challenge by martinez no way a booking

really wish we could get him

14 Jun 2012 21:06:26
We don't need load of players. We have signed an attacking midfielder, now I think we need a centre mid. Modric would be perfect as him and Kagawa would link really well and I think Hernenadez will love Kagawa for those through passes. With Valencia, Nani and Young we have a great mix of pacey, young, talented wingers who can score or create goals. With Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez we have three good class regular strikers. Other than another centre midfielder, we need a full back and we may get young winger or striker. Erick Torres was mentioned a lot once and I think Tom Ince and Nathan Redmon both look good players. Clyne would be perfect for fullback as we would then have Clyne Rafael Fabio Fryers and Blackett in years to come. With Vidic set to return we are fine for centre back although we could look at Hummels or Benatia. Gilly

14 Jun 2012 20:32:46
We should sign Iniesta

I'd rather give Brady a shot I think he has better potential

Gav

14 Jun 2012 19:53:57
Lol, Torres just scored for Spain, should United be trying to sign him? (kidding)

Seriously though, I know a lot of people on here have said that Torres has lost it, but I think that he'll have a good season with Chelsea this upcoming year. He gradually improved towards the end of last season, and if he can just regain his finishing touch, he could be a quality player again.

Although if Torres does end up having another pathetic season for Chelski, which I would not be opposed to, I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong.

Ruudinthemood

I honestly think Torres would thrive at United with the service from the wings if he falls out of form for Spain a low bid couldn't hurt. I'm not kidding Torres would flourish at United and with our counters its a very nice thought doubt it would happen though.

Darren-Bermuda

14 Jun 2012 18:51:42
After having watched all of the matches, the only potential target of ours that has properly impressed me has been Sneijder, he has shone like a beacon in both matches he has played and despite us signing Kagawa, i still think he could make a massive impact on the squad and start in the same 11. I would quite like to see a 4-3-3 formation like this as i said earlier:

_____________DDG
Rafael__Smalling__Vidic__Baines
___Sneijder__Carrick__Cleverly
___Nani_____Rooney__Kagawa

The reason i say 4-3-3 is because all of our players would fit in it. Baines and Rafael would give us great width, Nani, Kagawa and Rooney would all interchange easily. If we wanted to be more rigid we'd play Valencia and Young and tell them to hug the touch line. Carrick would be the deepest player in the midfield, picking up lose balls and distributing forwards. He is also a very effective shield as his stats show (second only to Parker in terms of succesful tackles and blocks).

Defensively Baines would be a massive upgrade as he primarily defends which we really really need. Rafael is good enough, and he does run back. But i believe the reason he looks like he leaves us short is because Evra is never ever there. Evra is at fault for many things i believe and i hope he leaves so we could just have Baines and Fabio or Willems.

Furthermore with a 4-3-3 we wouldn't need to splash out on Lewandowski as Welbeck and Hernandez would play second fiddle to Rooney. Welbeck would start quite a bit and Hernandez would be the Solskjaer-esq impact player.

The Sneijder deal for me is very do-able, providing his wage demands are more realistic this time around. Already we have freed up around 50k p/w, then with the departure of Berbatov and potentially Park thats around a 150k p/w. Wages would still probably be a problem, but i think deals could be worked out. As for the transfer fee £25 million would be a fair price (especially since we paid thatm uch for Anderson). Or we could offer £10-15 million + Anderson which would be an upgrade.

Thoughts?

RedDevil19

No I wouldn't want Sneijder any where near our team. He was given the chance but he wanted too much money which shows you what he's interested in. He is injury prone and has never been tested a physical league like the prem, his club form has been very bad in the last year or two. I don't.think you can take his form for his country into account as he is playing for the love of his country, if he signed.for.us.then he'd be playing for.the money, and looking at his form.with Inter.when playing for money he hasn't overly impressed me of late. Then there is the cost of signing him.

I think there are.better options available at better prices more suited.to what we need.

Shappy

Rafael should never play for United again. I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Smalling or Jones at rb

If we were going to buy Sneijder I wouldn't play a 4-3-3 as i don't want Kagawa to be played out wide, instead my dream team with Sneijder in it would look like this:

____________DDG___________
Rafael__Smalling__Vidic__Baines
_______Carrick_____Modric____
__Kagawa___Rooney___Sneijder
___________Welbeck_______

But if we were going play a formation like this we would also need a new striker to provide cover for Welbeck and the pea. I also feel that for both my team and your team we need a ball winning midfielder like M'villa as this midfield would get walked past by the stronger teams as there is no real player to go out and win the ball back.

CnM

That actually looks really good.

Percy

'Cnm'

You say you don't want Kagawa outwide? Yet you have put him on the right wing..

RedDevil19

RD19

My bad, I should of clarified. That team would play a very narrow 4-2-3-1, it would be more like having three CAM's than it would be having a left winger, a right winger and a CAM. Tbh I wouldn't really want this team as I like the wing play we have in the team now, I just built this team around Sneijder and for the sake of the discussion.

CnM

I honestly think Sneijder would struggle with injuries in the PL. He's suffered in the past and last season also, he had to put a support on his leg for the end of the game last night and Seedorf said he has struggled physically this year and he would rather see him play in a wider role for this reason. With the constant high pace of the PL I could see him stuggling to stay fit and put simply, paying someone £150+k p/w to watch from the stands is poor business. Sneijder has shown his true class again in the last 2 games theres no bout but I wouldn't take him due to the risk of injury alone

RD19 - I don't think your formation has enough balance somehow, I think perhaps Cleverly, Sneijder, Kagawa and Nani are 4 too similar players to put in one team. Could to with either some 'steel' or another lethal finisher (on top of Rooney)

Gav

RD19

maybe Strootman/Cabaye/Witsel in place of Sneijder.. and we look good and realistic for a 4-3-3

Shaun

The United boat sailed away from Robinson Sneijder island last Summer. It won't be going back to pick him up no matter how many flares are launched into the oh so blue skies over the Euros.

14 Jun 2012 17:25:19
Some time ago i posted that United's transfer policy this summer would be to buy youngsters and unknown players and put them on low wages as well as reducing the wage bill of senior players. i know we have been linked with some world class players as we were last summer but lets see at the end. I always only tell you the truth about United even if some of you don't want to hear about it or you Glazer apologists try to discredit it. I AM KLOOT

You are describing what is known as a "Transition" my friend.

Replacing older players on expensive salaries with younger players on lower salaries.

Sydney!

You've never heard of Kagawa RFT? ;)

Red Spark

Obviously you will swap an older player for a younger player as they have more years left in them. Generally a young player will be on a lower salary as the further along you are in your career the more your salary will increase. Salaries will always increase so you will want the salaries to start off reasonably low so you have wiggle room in the future when the player wants a better contract.

The thing we can be thankful for is the youth we are buying IE Jones, Smalling, Powell, DDG etc are top quality and not rubbish. We are in the middle of a transition and we will see a lot of young players brought in, but not necessarily cheap players and from time to time we will see a Kagawa or Young or hopefully a Modric.

Sydney!

Kloot u talk absolute rubbish!

You slate the glazers all the time but it's not their fault we miss out on players, they have never said no if Fergie wants to buy someone, there's nothing they can do if a Ayer picks someone else. Even if we had an Arab billionaire we would miss out on these players cos Fergie wudnt pay stupid wages. U say we're in for unknown players? Kagawa unknown? Best player in the German league unknown? We're in for Modric too, how can you say we're in for unknown players?

Big Mac

Haha shinji who? You tell your opinion Rft the sooner you learn that's all it is the more people might listen.

GDS

It will be interesting to see were we stand at the end of the transfer window
Jred

Big Mac is right, every team misses out on players. City have already missed out on Hazard, Sanchez, De Rossi etc in the space of a year. Chelsea have missed out on several top class players. Evidently big money is not always enough for some players.

Sydney!

What about hazard? If he had chosen us we would of bought a quite well known player for a big fee and he would of been on big wages.

REDP

We have bought Kagawa who is a good player at a reasonable cost and Powell who has potential. However we still lack two top quality players and a left back. Right now the Glazers remain on trial until we see the quality of players needed to put the team to a level where we can compete in Europe and at home.
Every summer we are linked with players and have been stung far too often because of no value. The Glazers have proved nothing yet

Red Man

People jus don't realise, it's not the glazers sayin were not buying him, it's fergie not going over the top! I was at a exhibition a few years ago wer David gill was doing a q&a, I asked him why we missed out on benzema cos it looked nailed on n he answered saying we was willing to bid £32 million for him, after they did he had a phone conversation saying Madrid had offered £34 million, he spoke to sir Alex and he said together the came to the conclusion benzema wasn't worth £34 million. Money is ther guys, it's clearly there, we've bid for big names , Ozil, Nasri, Sneijdet, Hazard, they just didn't wanna come

Big Mac

Sydney

The thing is we have seemed to miss out on all the top players for some time. I don't expect to sign every player but to not sign any top players and have the manager say things like no value in the market is no longer acceptable.

Again Sydney you subtly defend the Glazers, not their fault even big money at City and Chelsea doesn't get players. Simple fact is that if we really had the money then we have been spectacularly ineffective in the transfer market. The odds would strongly be in our favour and surely we would have got one top player in the last few years, but no we havent and Gill is still in a job. Linked with is just like doing a test drive in a car you can't afford

Red Man

REDP

The fact is like many other top players in the last few years Hazard didn't choose us. Yet again we sit and watch whilst another top player goes to our opposition.

Red Man

We've always missed out on top players, i'll give you 3 examplles, pre Glazer: Gascoigne, Shearer (twice) and Ronaldinho.

Yet if we had gotten Shearer the first time we would never have gotten Cantona and if we had gotten Ronaldinho we never would have gotten Ronaldo.

KLOOT - You are repeating yourself (once more) even though the international transfer window is yet to open. What you lack in patience you make up for in negativity ; )

Red Man - Didn't see Sydney defending the Glazer's there myself?! I think he believes Fergie has money available to him but that sometimes a transfer doesn't come off, either through a player wanting to go elsewhere or Fergie not happy with the price (including wage and agent's fee). I believe this to be the case

Gav

Bunch of sheep! And I should know, being a Valleysman!

KLOOT - I'm the only one standing alongside you for now, it seems. You're talking sense IMO, but none of these guys will see the light either way.

If we sign a big-money CM this summer, I'll have to rethink every single belief I have regarding our transfer policy.

Sadly, for the rest of the posters in this section, that won't be the case. If we fail to strengthen our CM yet again, you can guarantee KLOOT that the regulars will make excuse after excuse after excuse.

"We made a bid...."

"His agent is the devil....."

"He was making unreasonable demands...."

"We were never interested....."

"In SAF we trust....."

Time will tell.

RED_SKY

Gab

For a long time I have said there is a bit of both, SAF stubbornness and Glazer miserliness. Sydney is subtle sometimes but believes the funds are there. I don't believe funds are there for a £40m purchase unless we sell and I firmly believe the Vlxzers will not pay top player wages or agent fees unless it suits them. We have missed out on too many top class players for the above not to have a ring of truth about it

The subtlety above was that of course the Glazers had loads of money committed just the players all chose somewhere else. Yes it happens at city and Chelsea but they do actually sign top players occasionally something we have not done well in recent years.

Red Man

14 Jun 2012 16:34:20
Why has no one looked into walker(spurs) this lad is amazing I'm a huge baines fan but I would rather walker in the line up. So this leads me to a question how about let spurs keep modric an spend 15-22mill on walker and then hi jack m'villa from the so called arsenal deal two great players an two brilliant fits walker could walk in to the team I'm sure an m'villa in the middle. Why are we not doin this wit kagawa an Powell done surely Gill can pull his finger out an get the players we need instead of players we will one day need

You do realise its only the middle of june,have some patience and talk some sense,wait until the end of the transfer deadline then do your moaning,im delighted with the 2 signings we've tied up,yes powell is one for the future but i think we'll see more of him than you think and kagawa will more than likely be in the starting 11 come the start of the season,have a little bit of patience and faith!

phil

14 Jun 2012 15:46:14
What about james mcCarthy from wigan young,fast and good at passing

Shhhhhh!!! Or bond will hear you.

Shappy

The problem is Bond's commission

14 Jun 2012 15:19:41
right, so i had gone off of sneijder for various reasons, (to expensive, to old etc), however for me he really stood out against the germans for holland yesterday. one for his skill and eye for a pass and also for his sheer desire and bravery, (especially highlighted next to robben). i would love to see him come to united and this,i no i am being hopefull, could be a possibility as a price for him would be much less than say last season as he has been in bad form and had injurys etc.
just a thought,
Tarrant77

Added to the fact Inter not in the CL next year I think would be his excuse for moving for the fans and Inter will want him off the wage bill no doubt.

If he comes with an open mind and want to join our 'project' I think he could be deployed as a CM, in the hole or as last night showed, a left sided AM.

Jono

14 Jun 2012 14:56:29
Looks like we missed out on ashmoah (not sure if its correct spelling) were we actually interested because fergie doesn't really sign African players

There was interest but Juventus put a formal offer in... Liverpool apparently made a late bid on tuesday to get him but it was either Utd or Juventus in Asamoah's mind and only one team put an offer in.

fearny

City spent loads before so they had a squad to win the league. They've done that. They don't need to spend big anymore. Also they've got players on high wages that they don't want such as Adebayor and they're going to want to get rid of these players before they make another big splash. Just because they're billionaires doesn't make them stupid

14 Jun 2012 13:54:35
james ducker of the times has been told by sources high up.in old trafford that we have no interest in modric,we have signed kagawa who's a number 10 type player rather than a midfielder and a kid for fergies lad at petrrboro,arsenal have signed podolski and the montpelier striker and m'vila(renne have announced to the french stock exchange),and are lookin at dzagoev,chavs have and are signing anyone and everyone,city will undoubtedly add,i know its early doors but after early transfer window promise before the deadline for ticket renewal had passed everything seems to have gone quiet,if we dont sign a few world class players we are gonna b in trouble.
mick the red fireman

Modric isn't a number ten. He would play the Scholesy role.

Sydney!

Here we go....

1redarmy

What a pile of BS. What French Stock Exchange? Since 2000 Euronext Paris (formerly Paris Bourse) has been part of Euronext (a pan-European stock exchange).

IrishRed

I don't think mick is suggesting that Modric is a number 10 type player, he is saying that Kagawa is and we have signed that type of player instead of a midfielder.

RedDevil19

, mick the red fireman, cheer up pal, might never happen!

GDS

Thanks thats what i wrote kagawa is a number 10,abd if you read martin lipton he says that renne have announced it to the french stock exchange and hes one of the better reporters,read before making fools outta yourselves,thanks.
mick the red fireman.

And if you also read martin lipton who'd know he said it was a hoax.
NWDA

14 Jun 2012 13:27:32
any news on mvilla and how likely is modric out of ten edss??? {Ed004's Note - probably imo 2 for M'Villa and 8 for Modric}

14 Jun 2012 13:17:47
-------------------De Gea-------------

Rafael-------Hummels----Vidic------Evra

------------M'Vila---------Modric-------

-------Nani-------Sneijder----Kagawa--

------------------Rooney---------------

Cost: About 150m
Best team on the planet? Maybe
Going to happen? No

We are linked with too many players now and it is getting to a point where a lot of our fans will end up disapointed. We all seem to be expecting too much in my opinion and I think it will be a case of:

------------------De Gea----------------

Rafael------Smalling------Vidic-------Evra

------------Carrick-------Modric---------

Valenica-----------Kagawa-------Young/Nani

-------------------Rooney---------------

Cost: 42-45million
Very effective team still and I think we will sign a left back but Evra will still be number one choice. We have Powell and I think we will end up with Henriquez though he wont play.

the total cost will probs be around 60million and I think that is realistic bearing in mind Modric would be half of that alone.

I Just cant see us getting Modric, Kagawa, M'vila, Baines, Henriquez, Powell and Clyne in one window, it would cost too much.

Modric=30
Kagawa=12-17
M'vila=20-25
Baines=12-15
Henriquez=3
Powell=2-4
Clyne=2-4

Total at least= £81 million.
On top of that some want Bale and Lewandowski...

We have to look at our transfers realistically and not allow our selves to get carried away. I would be very happy with Kagawa, Modric and a cheap but effective left back. Powell is a Bonus and Im not sure what the plan would be for Henriquez.

I would be happy with a 55million spend as we could seriously improve our squad with that. Modric and Kagawa would have won us the league last season.

1redarmy

Evra? Haha. In the best team on the planet? Really!

Evra has been discussed further down the page and I will have to ask are you Percy in disguise? Haha.

I do not understand how you fail to see how Evra has cost us so much for the past two years. It started in Munich Q/F of CL when he got robbed by Olic in the box and they got the winner. He no doubt got a roasting from SAF as that changed our whole way of playing in the second leg and we know how that ended.

You highlighted about Rafa not picking Jelavic and Pienaar up for 2 Everton goals but in that exact same game Evra was roasted by some magician of a marauding RB in Tony bloody Hibbert. Hardly playing against a young, fitter player there was he?

Had it not been for the fact our defense was constantly injury ridden he would have been dropped for a couple of games here and there imo to at least have given him food for thought about his first team position.

But it looks as though his exp kept him first choice and gave him the armband (god knows why).

I for one wish we had taken the reported 15m we were offered for him and replaced him directly a year ago.

Who with is the question? For me Baines is not an ideal replacement but for a reasonable price would offer the best option as a first teamer until Fabio comes back from his loan and Blackett gets enough exp to start pushing for a first team slot.

Jono

14 Jun 2012 13:02:52
In an ideal world M'Villa, Modric, Clyne, Izzaguire, Powell, Kagawa and Henriquez would be a great summer.

I cant see us being interested in MVilla.... He seems to be a toys out of the pram kind of guy and SAF doesnt like that then theres Asamoah but being African SAF wont like that as the african cup of nations is at a vital part of the season so i see Kevin Strootman or Nobody coming in as a defensive midfielder unfortunately.

Modric oozes class and is a special player with immense talent but PSG will easily please Levy with money etc and spurs always plays hardball with us and i cant see us coughing up the amount wanted then theres Sneijder who i think could play deeper but fitness,injuries and age along with wages is a big ask theres not really anyone else imo that would better us and be available.

Clyne,Henriquez and Powell are all great prospects and with Clyne being versatile being able to play either fullback side would be good cover, Henriquez has bags of pace and great dribbling skills his physique is lacking but he can build himself up he is very talented also being able to play striker, second striker and on the wing he is versatile also, then Powell who we have signed already he is a great prospect again and could be a buy and a half but he could also end up like jonjo shelvey lol he has an immense long shot and good vision and quick feet along with dribbling ability and also being able to play second striker outwide centre mid or up top he is also versatile.

Izzaguire imo is what we are calling out for in our first eleven his physique pace and overall ability are superior to the shadow of patrice evra who has been desperately poor for 2-3 years he is innefective in either box cant block crosses gets out strengthed and out jumped and gets no assists when forward also i would like to see Blackett pushed further up the ranks with Fabio going out on loan id be happy with Izza and Blackett and then Clyne being able to play there.

Kagawa is a superb player no doubt about it you dont win bundesliga player of the year ahead of the likes of Gotze,Gomez,Robben,Lahm,Ribery,Lewandowski etc for being a shirt seller he has sublime vision and a great pass he uses both feet and has a low centre of gravity helping his little jinking runs and balance he is a great buy imo.

14 Jun 2012 11:50:52
Guys completely different I know bt cant get an answer anywhere else

In regards to group b in euro 2012

At the moment it stands

Team.........PL...w....d....l....f....a....p
Germany....2.....2....0....0...3...1.....6
portugal.....2.....1.....0...1....3..3....3
Denmark....2.....1.....0...1....3...3...3
Holland......2.....0.....0....2....1..3....3

What hdppens if holland beat Portugal 1-0
And Germany beat denmark 1-0

Then Germany are on 9 points

And holland Denmark and Portugal are all on 3points with-1 goal difference?

Goal scored and head to head means portugal would go

I'm pretty sure it goes to "goals for" which takes holland out the equation but Denmark and Protugal would be identical so I'm not sure after that!

LUKE CHADWICKS LOVE CHILD

Portugal will go through as they beat Denmark and have scored more goals than Holland.

Sydney!

Plonker...dutch will be on 6 {Ed004's Note - Plonker? If you are going to insult people make sure you have your facts right first. The dutch are yet to win a game. IF they win a game they get 3 points not 6....}

Ronaldo and Bendtner play rock, paper, scissors?

1redarmy

If Holland & Germany both win 1-0, after goal difference + goals scored, it'll come down to UEFA coefficient between Denmark and Portugal.... Denmark have 31205, Portugal 31202!

It is goal difference in the games between the 3 teams first as far as I am aware.

It could still be a draw, then I think they draw lots, or best looking players?

I believe it goes to goals for, then if Denmark and Portugal had the same then Portugal would go through as they beat them. Portugal are in a strong position and have their destiny in their own hands.

RedDevil19

Well 6 different explanations there, bet that answered your question OP. Think clearly nobody really knows and everybody has had a guess lol.

GDS

Re; plonker-to ed oo4 not according to plonkers table i now they hav'nt won his suggests they have

No name that's a good spot
Jred

Cheers jred

14 Jun 2012 11:26:33
Morning guys,

Haven't posted for a while as been pondering a few things and been looking at the situation with all the clubs and here are my thoughts.

It seems, most teams in todays football will play with 1 up top, 4-2-3-1, 4-1-4-1 etc and i started to think if this is the case, why play 4 at the back if the opposition only have 1 up top?

With this in mind I think we have the players to adopt a 3-5-2 formation and even more so if we make some decent signings!

Now I don't know the situation at Tottenham but if there was a chance to take ''advantage'' of it at the moment, I think we should try and pinch Bale to support the 3-5-2 formation!

So my team, IF POSSIBLE, would look like this:

________De Gea
__________Rio
____Smalling__Vidic
Valencia_Carrick_Modric_Bale
________Kagawa
____Rooney__Welbeck

With Valencia and Bale both being very fit, strong, quick and also with defensive strengths as well as attacking strengths, I think them as ''wing backs'' would work a treat, would also solve our Full back problems.

Our second string would look along the lines of:

_____Lindengaard
_______Evans
___Jones____(A Youngster or even Smalling as he's Young and could play more often then Vidic & Rio)
Nani__Scholes__Cleverley__Young
__________Giggs
__Hernandez___Powell

This still leaves all our promising youth players to come in as well.

Just a few thoughts really, I'm expecting us to adopt a 4-2-3-1 formation next season but I think looking at 3 at the back should be an option to look at?!

Anyway, feel free to poo-poo this idea.

Ports

I see where your coming from and with the addition of Bale it could work.
i do see us playing more of a 4-2-3-1 though or maybe 4-3-2-1 as we like to play from the wing, however your formation is plausable, considering we want to move to a more interchangeable team.
i dont think nani and young could play that way, as they wouldn't put the work in like Toni. V and Bale, but the second string could use raphael and evra in the wing roles, with nani or young behind the front men. Also you could ease Jones into the centre back position and improve his positioning with two others beside him.
my first team would be:

________De Gea__________
___Smalling__Vidic___Jone__
Valencia______________Bale
__________Carrick__________
___Nani____Kagawa______Young
__________Rooney__________

with a second string of:
___________Linders__________
_____Evans___Rio____M.Keane
Rapha_____________________Evra
___________Scholes_________
____Cleverly_________Powell
______Welbeck______Hernandez/W.keane

aaallj5

It looks like a stunning team in prospect but the chances of Fergie putting three at the back is the same as us having Messi and Ronaldo up front next season.

I think 4231 is most likely and would lead to fast flowing football and as long as we fit welbeck and hernandez in as much as possible i will be happy.

1redarmy

14 Jun 2012 11:19:19
If as it states below both Milan teams are fighting it out for Anderson, would it not be Inter with more of a chance with Sneijder as part of the deal?

Eds thoughts?

DJ {Ed004's Note - Don't think we would sign Kagawa and Powell as well as Sneijder...}

Ed004 You have hit the nail on the head I think, as I heard there are high expectations of Powell pushing for a first team place around Xmas so highly is he thought of

Pardoe {Ed004's Note - I am really excited about Powell. I can not wait to see him play...}

14 Jun 2012 11:11:56
Guys just watch the Modric saga now play out in the press etc...we bid, they reject, rumours others interested etc etc. Rubbish all of it. Deal done last summer, modric gave Arry another year and then to us this summer.thats why modric not linked with Chelski at all. relax and enjoy. Modrics ours and with Kagawa we are all set. Bring it.

14 Jun 2012 10:56:19
Manchester united should buy mordric

Could be expensive though if PSG had an offer of £25 million firmly rejected.

Red Spark

14 Jun 2012 10:29:49
I love how some people are jumping to the defence of Willems after he had a stinker of a game ( I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing, he will probably be a good player ), but these are the dame people who, if Nani or Evra have 1 bad game they want them sold. They seem to look at other clubs players through rose-tinted specs, while are own players cannot do right in their eyes.
SqueakyBum

Willems had a bad game against Germany's Mesut Oezil at 18 year's old. What's Evra's excuse for several bad games in the past two seasons?

Sydney!

Honestly, you don't need to try defend everyone you think would make a good signing

Evra is 31 Syd, He is playing against players younger and more energetic than him yet he still does it for us. With Vidic back in place next season not even half of the goals you blame Evra for will go in.

1redarmy

I think Willems will be world class within a couple of seasons, but I think Fabio could be also. Problem is, what do we do NOW though, because Evra is past his best & Baines isn't good enough.

Red Spark

Baines would be better than Evra imo.

1redarmy,

He still does what for us? Runs forward and doesn't get back meaning our winger spends the whole time covering him and when that doesn't happen the opposition get a chance?

Squeaky,

Nobody on here has slagged Evra for having 1 bad game, they slag him off for playing badly for 2 years!

GDS

I agree Evra is often caught out of position and he hasn't been great last season, but some people blame almost every goal solely on him. Yet they also say Rafael is great, yes he had some good games, but take the Everton game - he was responsible for 2 of their goals and that cost us the title. I'm just saying I think a lot of foreign players become overhyped.
SqueakyBum

GDS, as I have been through with Syd it is going to be an argument that will split us until Evra retires now.

I still see Evra is getting all this stick so people have someone to blame for our miserable time in europe and I think had we won the league nobody would be saying Evra is a bad player.

1redarmy

"I think had we won the league nobody would be saying Evra is a bad player."

Nonsense, I said exactly the same last summer after we won the league. No one is looking for a scapegoat here, we lost the league fair and square, the fact Evra has been poor for two years now is irrelevant. I am amazed some people cannot see the huge decline in Evra's defending. Perhaps they choose not to see it?

Sydney!

1redarmy,

Not sure when you started coming on this site but most people have been calling for Evra to be replaced for a year now. He had a very poor season and if we won the league we would definitely still need to replace him.

I like Evra, I have posted on here about my friends calling him 'Mr. United', his interviews are always so passionate and he has been a star for us, but now he is a liability.

Squeaky,

I think a lot of people would like somebody to challenge for right back as well, like Clyne coming in. Rafa is very young still with a lot to learn, Evra is very experienced and should not be making the mistakes he makes. Rafael did not 'cost us the title', we did not lose it on one game, and it is a team game, we lost it because the whole team was not good enough.

GDS

Syd, he hasn't got worse at defending, he has never been known for his defending he is a very attack minded player who has just lost his energy due to age and hardly ever been rested.

He still offers us much going forward and I think he is still an important player. If we do sign a defencive left back I can see the point as they could play the games we will likely be countered on.

1redarmy

I watched three games on MUTV recently, one in 2007 and two in 2008 and Evra was blocking crosses, he was getting up and down the field without much effort, he was hard to get past and he looked 10 years younger. Evra for the past couple of seasons hasn't bothered getting back into position, he doesn't block crosses and he is so easy to get by Tony Hibbert turned him inside out twice. Hibbert got two assists last season, both against us. Evra is a shell of his former self and his attacking isn't great either. From box to box he is STILL the best in the world, but in either box he is wasteful and a liability. I would swap him for a defender all day long. We have enough in attack to win games without Evra losing them for us. He has got to that age where it's too late for him, every player loses their legs and Evra's went a couple season's ago. Probably down to the manager overplaying him.

Sydney!

Syd, I agree he has lost some stamina, but he plays box to box every week and though he doesn't sprint back he doesn't stop running. Also his tackling are stats are impressive, but his positioning lets him down a lot. Gilly

I've mentioned it before lads, but some of the hostility directed towards Evra on this site is unreal. We're all aware he's not the player he was a few years ago, we've got eyes, but the man would still run through walls for United, and bleeds red through and through (I know all humans do, but you get my point! :) The way he's dismissively spoken about, regardless of the great service he has given us, shows a distinct lack of class by some fans. At least let the guy bow out gracefully and with our best wishes, than have him leaving with a collective boot up his arse - he deserves that at least.
ps. This is definitely not Patrice's mummy.

StevieK

14 Jun 2012 10:00:17
In an ideal world we could now capatalise on Spurs downfall....Imo Luka Modric, Gareth Bale and Kyle Walker would be sensational buys.

Modric - Well he oozes control and class he runs games and is what we need.

Bale - I think he is very effective in a weak Spurs side overall he has to do most things and he is very versatile which helps and very direct.

Walker - Imo he is on another level for a youngster and i rate him higher than Rafael i think he will improve more and i think he is better going forward and more solid defensively.

I think if we managed 2 of them 3 that would be sensational business.

P.S - How come Nani can cross a ball for Portugal?

I would seriously laugh if Levy actually agreed to these sales..............because If letting Redknapp leave through UCL failure then how would him leaving as well as Bale, Modric and Walker going to get them closer?.........

lewis.no.9

Just because a manager leaves a club it doesn't mean the players become available for sale. Modric and Bale were available at the right price with or without Arry at the helm. Not sure Spurs are willing to sell Walker.

Sydney!

Lewis, if the players want to leave then what can Levy do about it?

Sydney!

Did modric want to leave last year
jred

Block them like Modric last season Syd!

I dont think we would have the money for all three players and I think we will be fighting with Levy just to land Modric so Bale and Walker may not be a realistic option.

1redarmy

Modric gave Spurs one more year, just like Ronaldo did for us and Cesc did for Arsenal. If he is blocked then how would that effect his performances and team morale when they are trying for a top four spot? What will his fee be next summer after a disappointing season and being nearly 28? Now is the time for Spurs to cash in and that is exactly what they will do.

Sydney!

Syd
have you any evidence that modric gave spurs 1 more year.
also "if he was blocked how would it affect his performances"
well he played ok this year after being blocked.
jred

I think you can safely say that he was happy to give Spurs one more season. He owed that to the club. No player would be happy being kept at a club where they do not want to be. he never pushed for the move last summer, but he will this summer.

Sydney!

I think you can safely say he was unhappy to give the club one more season but had no choice because spurs refused to sell
He was even dropped for the first few games as "his head was not in the right place" as Harry put it

Jred

Initially he was unhappy and then he got on with it which suggests he cut a deal with the club that he would be able to leave a year later.

Sydney!

SYD
lol i think it suggest the transfer window shut
jred

14 Jun 2012 09:17:23
Harry redknapp has officially left spurs


TRUMORS

14 Jun 2012 08:41:09
I just thought I'd come on before I head to work and what do I find? A load of you saying that a bad first half by Willems should rule him out of United contention. I can only laugh really. What you people seem to be missing is that Willems would not be a direct replacement for Evra. Evra, IMO, still has another year or 2 at the club giving Willems time to mature. Then again these are probably the same people that put down Danny Welbeck because he isnt scoring 25 goals at the age of 21, something that I think he may do next season BTW. 20 atleast.

TK-Red

TK people can't slag Evra off for 2 years and then get an 18 y.o who has clearly stunk out the competition when he is worse. How can you keep Evra if hes as bad as everyone says
You need someone now not in 3 years

Pardoe

TK
or could it be that people dont see him as much better than fabio and blackett and feel we dont need him at the moment.
do you think we should loan fabio out and buy willems?

Could it be possible that United want Baines and Willems and will let Evra leave? Just a thought.

Sydney!

14 Jun 2012 08:18:53
Jetro Willems looked well dodgy last nite, out of his depth, i know he is young ect ect, but so is fabio n raf .

Forgot the twins were only 18.

Oh no, 22, next month, 4 years older. Come on, he played badly in one match.

GDS

14 Jun 2012 01:00:06
Lot of talk in London that Bale and Modric are going to United! This is the reason Harry has left!

I wouldn't say no. That would leave us with two direct traditional wingers in Tony and Bale, and with two more versatile wingers in Nani and Young. I know that Nani likes to play on the right so our RW would be Tony and Nani and LW in Young and Bale. This would leave us with so many attacking options! Choose two of the same kind of wingers or mix and match. I'd feel like a woman with way too many shoes if we could wrap up Kagawa, Modric, Bale, and Powell ;). Although that would leave us kind of strapped for defensive minded midfielders, I think that we would be okay. But, and only but, if Pogba stays, then he could split time with Carrick.

-------Pogba---Scholes--------
-Nani------Kagawa-----Young-
------------Rooney------------

or

---------Modric--Carrick---------
-Tony-------Rooney--------Bale-
-------------Welbeck-------------

well, a man can hope, can't he?

Sparty On

He has left because spurs chairman was not happy with the fact that rednapp would have taken the england coaching offer if offered .
it is daniel levy who was unhappy with rednapp's attitude ................................................ but rednapp's departure may lead for bale and modric's arrival at OT

Have we won the euromillions ;)

Mad Hatter

14 Jun 2012 00:16:59
Rumours are Harry was ready to face up to the fact Modric was leaving but decided enough was enough when he was told Bale would be following. The main interest is currently from Barcelona, Real Madrid, Inter Milan and Manchester United.