Manchester United Banter Archive May 14 2012

14 May 2012 22:26:17
No one has really mentioned it but everyones description of the midfielder we need is a double of yaya toure. If only WE signed him from barca. If only...

14 May 2012 22:01:38
Tevez is a person for holdin up that sign about fergie

Red Assassin

14 May 2012 22:07:23
SAF has announced that we have giggs and scholes for another year . a big boost for us.
Suppose we get hazard or kagawa or modric or sneijder or gaitan and martinez........ that would mean we have carrick, scholes,giggs,young,cleverly,valencia,nani,a defensive midfielder and an attacking one. that makes eight or maybe nine. a big and strong team on pitch and equally strong bench(remember the 99 ucl final when we had a very strong midfield despite having scholes and keane suspended) i can see a very strong team ahead.
defensively we have jones,smalling,vidic,ferdinand,evans,evra,(i dont want rafael the guy has been simply useless he cannot mark properly which we saw in the 4-4 draw at everton and the 8/9 ucl quaterfinal against munich (which we could have gone to possibly win the ucl) where his indisciplne costed us the advancement.we need a rb , cb and lb that could possibly mean baines.debuchy and maybe hummels(because ferdinand is ageing and jones,smalling need atleat 2 years to become top quality)we need someone to partner vidic in centre and if any of them is injured we will have evans. patrice evra is ageing too so we need someone who can take his place ...... baines is good and cheap and so is debuchy(ever since the retirment of neville we struggled at the rb position)
in the attack rooney welbeck and hernandez are present , i think rooney will have a huge responsibilty but we can expect hernandez and welbeck to help him . hernandez will be back strongly next year but may be we might need another quality striker to make a spearhead assault on premier league and europe

so summing up
CAM x 2-hazard(he can also play as cam as well as winger)/modric/sneijder/ kagawa/gaitan/gylfi
CDM-martinez/yann m'vila(since arsenal has palyed down their reports to sign him)/javi garcia
rb-debuchy/clyne(maybe not bcoz he is too young)
lb-baines
cb- hummels/pique/Mapou Yanga-M'Biwa(he stated his desire to play for manu)
fw-Robert Lewandowski/RVP(slight hope but seems impossibile)
GOING OUT
berbatov
owen
park
anderson
pogba
rafael(SAF plz send this indisciplined guy out)
fabio (on loan)
macheda

14 May 2012 21:47:22
You could not make it up. Chairman of Manchester City supporters was on Sky talking about the game and admitting that he was leaving before the end of the game and only saw the goal in the concourse. The best supporters in the land. I AM KLOOT

14 May 2012 21:13:38
So, I'm going to conform and say who I would like to be brought in over the coming months, not who I think are likely, because I have no idea.

First up, as I've been saying all year, Joe Allen. He offers us something a little different to Cleverley. He's fast, intelligent and has a bit of steel.

A top young talent, my choice would be Lucas Moura. Unlike Neymar, he plays as an AM, is big, strong, fast, tricky. Everything we need for the money we'd be paying.

A left back. Baines or Cissoko whould be my choice. Both offer different things but are good in there own ways.

Finally, get Pogba signed up. He's going to be an incredible player, I just hope it's at United.

Our strongest team would look something like this:

________De Gea
Rafael_Evans_Vidic_Baines
______Pogba_Allen
__Nani_Cleverley_Lucas
_______Rooney

The team having an average age of 24. Vidic would eventually leave and Smalling would partner Evans. If we actually got these players, we could have another classic team in a few years, especially with the young players coming through, like Brady, Keane, Tunnicliffe, Johnstone, Daehli, etc. Well, feel free to criticise, I hope for a decent discussion on the matter.

Percy

14 May 2012 20:17:46
Anyone seen the pic of Tevez on the city bus holding a sign saying R.I.P FERGIE.

What a disgusting human being, they may have the title but there is absolutely no class to that club!

That pic is the team talk for next season!

Ports

14 May 2012 19:41:24
Nani vs chelsea should be goal of the season...

Rooney or Valencia for Fans Player of the season...

Carrick/Evans/Welbeck for Players Player of the season...

Will Keane/Petrucci or Lingaard for Reserve Player of the Season

Not seen much of academy so don't know that one maybe Mats Daelhi

There my predictions for tonight ...

fearny

14 May 2012 19:28:22
"official Man City Kit" is being advertised on this page, really rubbing salt in the wounds there ;)

Anon {Ed007's Note - The ads are done by Google and they are linked to your browsing history as well. Not everyone sees the same adverts. I noticed you didn't complain about the lady-boy dating advert you are seeing next to it.......}

14 May 2012 19:10:01
Anyone seen Sheik Muldoon's comments about how having 89 points it would have been criminal if they lost it? Er....

Also seen on the news the place is full of plastics, almost put my tv through after they inteviewed one bimbo who proudly stated she left on 85 minutes. Such a top fan eh, couldn't back them to the end but felt entitled to turn up to the trophy parade. It really gets my tree people who leave before the end of a game, stay to the bloody end for gods sake and be a supporter god knows it costs enough these days!

14 May 2012 18:30:59
I think man utd will sign kagawa is there anyother attacker united intrested in ?if yes then who is it and any chances of that players comming at old trafford

14 May 2012 18:29:01
gonna stick to the positive.

A system away and a couple of players from doing the business again thats what I believe. broken record but last preseason really was an insight. taking away any of the glazer issues; to hold it together this season was impressive.

Even just a cleverly alike or better and a settled back four would improve it and whatever signings on that and the blooding in of jones and de gea and a further year under the belt for hernandez and smalling the we should do much much better.

id like to believe we did the best with what we had injury wise. no partnerships on the field were settled. maybe rooney and welbeck who its great has come through
but lets not go through this again.

special credit to Carrick , De gea and Evans who stepped up

good luck Berbatov thanks Scholsey

congrats to city. thats all im saying-.- two goals in five mins you did an us on us. you owe me a new radio.

cu guys next season

..constantine..

14 May 2012 18:26:23
my ideal team next season

DDG
Rafael, Smalling, Vidic, Evra
toni, martinez, kagawa, young
rooney, lewandowski

I think evra may have another year left, i still dont rate him though. But SAF obviously does otherwise he wouldnt be vice captain.

I dont think Dortmund would be too inclined to sell us 2 of their best players but i can hope.

Ste-Utd

14 May 2012 17:28:34
Manchester United are looking to buy:

Hummels £30
huntelaar £20
Lorrente £25
Kagawa £10
Javi Martinez £20

Marcus R

14 May 2012 17:13:18
I think one of the big things next year will be continuity at the back, if we can have a settled back four and golakeeper then the rest of the team will swiftly follow. I think only squad players are needed at the back, our first team selection are going to be stuck with i think (even though many want Evra to leave). A defence of:

______________DDG
Rafa__Small/Ferd___Vidic__Evra

They will be the bed rock of the title campaign next year. It just depends how SAF wants to play it in front. I expect we will utilise three formations next year depending on the game. 4-4-2 / 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 (the 4-3-3 will double up as a 4-5-1 without the ball). The main formation will probably be a more defined 4-2-3-1 i expect with Kagawa as the proper attacking midfielder instead of Rooney.

In quite a few matches i'd like to see that Anderson/Cleverly partnership rekindled. They were very good at the start, and you may say that opposition had many shots on goal that was because we played Evans and Jones at the back as well as having the nervous DDG. They got the ball through midfield very quickly, remember how Cleverly transformed the Charity Shield match. In big games i wouldn't be oversed at seeing this as our midfield (rather have Martinez than Carrick):

_______Carrick
Cleverly______Modric

That would not be half bad. But normally I see us having Carrick and Modric or Cleverly as the main partnership. Carrick is going to be the main stay in the midfield for a good few years.

Up top Kagawa is going to replace Berbatov. With playing Rooney up top we don't need more strikers as Welbeck and Hernandez will need games as it is. Welbeck can get games at wide left, so i suppose that could be a reason why SAF may choose not to sign a left winger. If it was me the only two wingers i'd go for are Bale or Hazard. None others that are possibly available will improve out ream that much (i.e. Gaitan). Having said that i wouldn't say no to Jamie Rodriguez. If Bale is available, we will go for him, for sure. We have bid for him in the past.

Ideally this is what we are looking at:

Valencia___Kagawa___Bale
__________Rooney

But its more likely that Nani or Young will be occupying that left hand side next year. Young has done really very well and i think he will go from strength to strength. He has the desire to win his first EPL crown.

So overall, this is the most realistic side that we will see next year:

_____________DDG
Rafael__Smalling__Vidic__Evra
_______Modric___Carrick
Valencia____Kagawa____Nani
___________Rooney

With Young, Scholes, Giggs, Cleverly, Anderson, Park etc offering us other options. For Clyne, Modric and Kagawa i think we'd be looking at a spend of £40 million. That would leave us options of signing others, but i think SAF is genuinly largely happy with the squad and will just make tweaks here and there.

RedDevil19

14 May 2012 16:23:30
I think I saw on sky sport text that Fergie said the only over age player that he will allow to play at the Olympics is Giggsy?
If so that makes me think that he will be retireing and Scholes staying on.
It just doesnlt make sense otherwise for him to single one of the older players out.

If it is true then I weill be happy as he just isn't what he used to be and it kills me seeing negative (although justified) posts about a loyal die hard legend

karllap

14 May 2012 16:17:11
Ideal squad for next season:

De Gea
Walker (in)
Vidic
Smalling
Alba (in)
Martinez (in)
Kagawa (in)
Modric (in)
Nani
Valencia
Rooney (captain)

Subs: Lindegaard, Evra, Evans, Rafael, Jones, Carrick, Young, Lucas Moura (in), Welbeck, Cleverley, Anderson, Hernandez

14 May 2012 15:50:51
Ideal team for next season?

-------------DDG---------------

Clyne----Jones----Vidic-----Evra

-----Carrick--------Strootman---

------------Kagawa-------------


--------Ozil----------Rooney-----

-------------Benzema------------

INS:
Clyne-0m
Strootman-15m
Kagawa-7m
Ozil-28m
Benzema-38m

OUTS:
Berba-8m
Rio-4m (to shanghai)
Macheda-4m
Park-2m
Owen-free
ando-10m
Young?-20m

Net spend- ONLY 40M. Still have a great bench eg Nani, Valencia, Evans, Hernandez, Welbeck Smalling etc

Considering we spent 50m last season when we won the BPL and got to a champo league final, we should be able to afford this.

What do you think ed? (teams please) {Ed004's Note - I don't think it would work because there is no width in that team so teams would just pack the midfield and defence and make it hard to break through them}

14 May 2012 15:22:53
ed do you know how much money you get for winning the bpl {Ed004's Note - I don't unfortunately}

14 May 2012 15:11:00
One of the greatest footballers has announced his retirement. The legendary no 7..! Ruud Van Nistelrooy, take a bow..!

IBleedBlue

14 May 2012 14:53:01
What a finish! Gutted!
No complaints though - the winners are the team who played best through-out the 38 league games. This season it was City.
Saf nearly did it, and it arguably would have been his greatest accomplishment if we had won.
Farewell to Rudd - what a finisher! probably left before time like Stam and others.
The Future: what does it hold? We are waiting for 3 summers now for both the youth to come through and world-class players to sign. We're still waiting, will we be waiting come September.
Why are the youth leaving? This is a very serious question.
There is also serious questions to be asked of SAF's choice of players and formations this season. He still believes in 442 when it is not working, especially in europe.
Carrick is good, but not good enough. Scholes is good, but too old.
Park is not good anymore.
Giggs - how did Pogba not get games ahead of Giggs? Giggs was very bad this season, all the followers of the youths are raving about Paul for years now, why didn't SAF pick him ahead of Giggs, WHY? It's like SAF promised Giggs so many games in return for signing on for another season. (on another note, if I was Giggs and reviewed my season honestly, I would be retiring now).
I still feel SAF will stay another year, but would not be surprised if he retired now. He should and the Glazers should appoint someone with European experience, with and english assistant - (Wilkins anyone?)
and give them a lot of money to buy a new generation of players.
We need to move with the times people, SAF's vitality is waning, unfortunately, and if you don't move with the times, you get left behind.
And please don't anyone reply saying SAF is this and he is that, and all he has done for us, etc, etc. We all know what he has done for us, we all think he is the greatest, but time waits for no man!

J Bones.

14 May 2012 14:24:42
Moussa Dembele in....perfect replacement for Darren Fletcher who joins coaching staff !

14 May 2012 14:18:57
Congratulations to Gary Neville on joining the England coaching staff. I hope it all goes well for him.

The Moon.

14 May 2012 13:49:44
I know it is not possible and we are likely only buying 2-3 players this window but here are my moves
RB-Clyne (Fabio doesn't cut it)
CB-Subotic
LB-Boilesen
DM-martinez/M'villa (possibly both as Martinez would be a Yaya Toure and M'villa as a xabi alsonso)
LM-Hazard
RM-Gaitian
CM-Eirkson/Gotze
Striker-Luke de Jong

That 9 players but all have been linked (from what i know) and are quality
then reserves would be
Varane, muinian, barkely, rafa alcantra, jon toral.
{UNITEDFORLIFE77689}. {Ed004's Note - I think it would be the other way round. M'Villa can't pass half as good as Martinez or Alonso.}

14 May 2012 13:35:02
150 goals in 219 games, thanks for the memories Ruud!

Anon

14 May 2012 13:15:09
Have to be honest,all the talk about kagawa i wasnt sure about him.Having watched him a few times especially in the cup final,he is a smashing player.Really hope we get him.I was def wrong about him but its not the first and it sure wont be the last.Roll on august,we want our title back.
QUINNER99

14 May 2012 12:54:03
Although it pains me to say this we did not deserve to win the league this year. This may be hard to hear for some fans but a win yesterday would have been a steri-strip over the bandage that covers the wallpaper that covers the cracks that exist in the United midfield.
Since the departure of Keano we have nobody to boss the midfield. The returning Scholes did all he could to get our challenge back on the rails but ultimately he was found out in the game that mattered most v City. The United midfield of Giggs, Park, Carrick and Scholes were totally outclassed that day. This is not the first time this exact midfield got opened up, remember Barcelona. Against lesser teams you will get away with it. I would go so far as to say last year we got away with it and as a result nothing changed in CM.

There is and will continue to be speculation as to who we are going to sign. WE are being linked to Hazard (City will prob gazump us in his case), Kagawa (more likely signing), Modric, Gaitan, Munain all excellent players but who is going to win the ball for them. None of them are ball winners and no matter what formation SAF plays next season unless he has a player in the mold of Tiote/Parker/Lucas (who Liverpool missed so badly this year) that can be our ball winning midfield general we will continue to struggle. Admittedly players of that style and caliber are not plentiful or available too often. Martinez seems to be the stand out player of this type who we may be able to afford. The Glazers need to loosen the purse strings and take about 100M less out this year and invest it in players.

The other main area of concern should be LB as Evra has been successfully targeted by a number of teams this year and found wanting. Whether this is due to a complacency borne of lack of competition or just a decline due to age I don't know but it needs to be addressed.

THis is my hopeful starting XII next year

De Gea
Jones, Vidic, Smalling, Izziagure
Valencia, Martinez, Cleverly, Kagawa
Rooney, Lorente

Here's hoping {Ed004's Note - Kagawa a lm... I don't think it would suit him}

14 May 2012 12:42:11
Well, Mr. Ruud Van Nistelrooy..what a career he's had. extremely under-rated when people talk about the best forwards of all time, terrific player.

Shame he's retired but he knows he can't carry on at the highest level, shame the same can't be said about a few other players.

The Moon.

14 May 2012 12:11:55
Well what can be said about yesterday? I'm spent the last half an hour sitting on a bar stool hunched in a fetal position rocking back and forth, but I have to say that it's what football is all about. A league title literally down to the last minute. Well done to City.

This summer it's absolutely crucial that we sort out midfield, if some major signings aren't brought in then Fergie can't carry on the charade any longer. It's plainly obvious to everyone that our midfield isn't good enough to compete at the top level. Scholes and Giggs have given enough, Cleverly is a good prospect but not the solution, Anderson isn't and never will be good enough, Fletcher will struggle to come back, and Pogba is off. Kagawa will give us some creativity but what we need more than anything else is a no nonsense, tough tackling enforcer who can dominate a midfield.

This summer will tell us nothing new about the Glazers but it will tell us about Fergie. He knows the team isn't good enough, that's why he bottled it in Eastlands, because he knew we aren't good enough to go toe-to-toe with City. If he doesn't bring in players that allow him to challenge next year then we will see if he condemns the Glazers and their cheaply cheaply business plan, or if he's in their pocket like Gill.

Danny Pughnited

14 May 2012 11:30:35
Congrads to City....deserved it over the 38 games.

Anyone else impressed by James MacLean yesterday. Keen to avoid MOTD fever, however his work ethic was good and he looks to have the physique to do well in the EPL. Doubt Sunderland would stand in his way if a reasonable offer was made? Its common knowledge we are looking for left footed wingers. Maybe 10-12 million?

Stuey

14 May 2012 11:27:01
What is it with people comparing Kagawa to Park? Complete different players. Just because Kagawa is also asian he becomes Parks replacement. Really!?

Kagawa will be a brilliant addition to the squad, perhaps resulting in a formation change? Time will tell.

14 May 2012 10:36:31
Why is it EVERY Year we are saying "We have done well considering our Injury problems"?...........Something is HUGELY wrong in this department and NEEDS addressing ASAP!!..............why are most of our players Injury prone or becoming Injury prone playing for Us?........CIty had a pretty Immaculate season Injury wise....as did others.

Its every year now we are missing lots of players which has and WILL cost us in the future.

lewis.no.9

14 May 2012 10:28:07
What a crazy end to the season. I never gave us a chance of winning the league before the five minutes injury-time was announced at City. However when Dzeko scored his soft goal I knew they would get a third moments later. The Everton draw was a massive disappointment for us and really swung the league into City's favour, not just because of the goal difference, but mentally too. After the Everton game it was all in City's hands from then onwards.

Well done to City, they had to win it eventually with their unlimited resources, but hoped we could keep them at bay for a couple more seasons. We have been here before, back in 2004 to Chelsea when we were going through a transition then too. I only hope we can come back better like we did then, but we will not have Ronaldo this time round. We will need to spend well and buy the right players. Not necessarily expensive players, but players who are the right fit.

We had interest in Kagawa in the past and we know Kagawa wants to join United. What we do not know is if we have made Kagawa an offer recently via his agent. If we had some sort of clarification that we were talking to Kagawa's agent, then I would have no doubt that he would sign, but we just do not know and will not know until it's already widely reported amongst the press. I think he would be a very good signing and giving his age and low price-tag it only makes the move more likely.

Signing Kagawa would be a great start and with him being so cheap would mean we would have more cash for other areas, perhaps left wing? We need to bolster the fullback positions and retain Pogba, although Pogba looks destined for pastures new thanks to his persistent Juventus supporting agent. It seems the manager wants a left footed, left winger so perhaps Gaitan is more likely than most giving the fact he wants to join and we have made contact with Benfica.

With Fabio looking like joining Benfica on loan it looks quite likely Gaitan could move to the club eventually. Perhaps give them Anderson as a makeweight. With Ferdinand looking like retiring over the next season and with his injury concerns I would go all out for Vertonghen. He will probably end up in North London like many believe, but he isn't there yet. He can play as a CB, LB & DM so could be very useful. I think he will sign for Arsenal.

I think Willems, Clyne, Gaitan & Kagawa could be a good summer with Rooney moving to striker and us keeping Pogba. But lets wait and see. Would prefer Hazard to Gaitan, but City would keep trumping us until he chooses them. Seems Hazard will join City unless Barcelona or RM come in for him. I think I would look at Rodriguez ahead of Gaitan too, but it is down to the manager and he will do what he feels is best.

Sydney!

14 May 2012 10:15:11
A few good options have popped up now that the major leagues have finished. Firstly there are the two or three at Dortmund, personally i can see Lewandowski and Kagawa coming in but not Hummels. Benatia is a good target. Athletic Bilbao players could be an option, maybe they have peaked? Also there are a couple of players at Villareal that will interest us no doubt, Rossi and Bruno will be of interest - they would be available at a knock down price.

If Chelsea win on saturday which i hope they do, we could have a shout at getting Bale and/or Modric which would be great. Hazard has confirmed he is leaving Lille. There are so many options available in the summer, we could comprise so many lists, none will be right, but we can have a very good summer i'm sure. Also van Persie might choose to call time on his Arsenal career with Higuain doing the same at Madrd.

Clyne, Modric, Bale, Kagawa and Lewandowski wouldn't be bad now would it? Not that i'm saying all that would happen, but the final league tables do give us some options with what happened.

RedDevil19

14 May 2012 08:29:11
Hi Guys.

Well here it is my end of season review. We almost nicked it didn't we, but it wasn't in our hands and we got ourselves in to that position so you have to expect the worse to happen and it did. Tough we move on.

I am going down to Old Trafford this morning as I was working over the weekend, to renew my season ticket. I know I can do it online, but I want to speak to a rep about trying to get a family stand seat for me and my daughter next season. Rainfish or whatever he calls himself these days will have a right pop at me, because I would imagine he is on fire with the Glazers argument this morning. But he knows me, I can't walk away from a club that has brought me and my family so much pleasure of the years. I owe them patience and respect. Call me a Glazer puppet, but I was an Edwards and Cubic Expression one before they came along.

Can't see a lot of activity over the summer with Vidic coming back etc. I'm not making excuses but we had injuries aplenty this year so to get as far as we did was astonishing. Maybe a few 10-15 millioners but no marquee type signing. Lets be honest we are not in that ball park anymore, but we still have a lot more at our disposal than most clubs. And I know in order for a club to beat us to the title since 2004, the club that has won it as had to be bankrolled by a sugar daddy

Have a great closed season everybody, and our rivals who come on here.

If its any consolation I love Manchester United more today than I did yesterday

regards

Mike the Moston Red

14 May 2012 05:52:28
Come on you Mancs - suck it up a bit will ya. You guys love rubbing salt in our wounds as much as we love doing it to you guys. No harm in it - take it on the chin and quit whining. Those who whinge back sound and look as stupid as those childish posters.

It is obvious Liverpool have very little to cheer about this season, so we have to find false joy in something to take our minds of the disastrous season we have had.

I respect your team for the history, success and rivalry (in games, not the league as a whole - I know we're no contest atm), but I am glad to see you not add to your trophy haul. I wish it was to a team that didn't have to buy their way to the top, but that won't happen until the Gunners can actually play a consistent season of football.

We have won the league cup because we tried to win it and just missed out on the other trophy we knew we had a chance of winning - so in that respect we did have some success. We didn't try to win the league, so to compare your league result with ours is irrelevant. We aimed for top four, so have a go at us for that - not that we were so far behind first place. First place was never in our grasp, and as it turned out, neither was 7th, let alone 4th.

You bombed out in the two trophys you wanted - League and CL - so chew on that.

Love ya's

LIVERPRES

14 May 2012 03:28:14
Have you been in the pub all day watching the game, heskey ? you are obviously jokinng ?
johndenton"""
dear mr moon and mr johndenton
ha ha ha
yes with heskey on board
and with the re signing of giggs and scholes for next season
maybe keeping rio fit with a permanent spine brace
and of course there is the option of bringing back michael owen and berbatov
phil neville, oshea and brown are all quality that we need as well
maybe add that to a few more free geriatric transfers
we will be unbeatable for another 10 years
gan

14 May 2012 01:05:57
Joey Barton is a twit!
He could of at leasts kneed aguero harder and put him out of the game with a mega dead leg so he couldn't score the winning goal!

REDP