Manchester United Banter Archive May 14 2018

 

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14 May 2018 23:22:44
Love all the people who support the manager, but not the team, the players, ethos or tradition of the club.

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14 May 2018 23:36:10
I support the club but the players to an extent. Too many of these players look like they don't give a toss about the club. Back when we had feegie you could see what Utd meant to the likes of evra, vidic, Ferdinand etc. One thing I hated about when we first spent big is that well now be seen as a place to come just to earn big $$$, not based on wanting to play for Utd and we can already see that in the lacksture performances of some players.

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14 May 2018 23:41:20
Actually been embarassing reading some of the posts lately. Some people need to get their heads out of their arses. No wonder we have been labelled toxic with some of the tripe I've read in the last 2 weeks.

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14 May 2018 23:50:50
Nobody said they support the manager and not the club/ players etc. Just because someone has a different opinion or supports the idea of giving the manager another year, doesn’t mean they don’t support the club. I seem to remember you saying further down the page that you don’t care who we sign as you don’t think it would make a difference. Doesn’t sound like supporting the club to me.

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15 May 2018 07:33:58
Exactly Park, I support the club. The manager is a transient employee as are the players but I will stand by what seems the best for the club.

James, you should try reading live chat, it’s tame on here compared to live chat.

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15 May 2018 07:35:40
Your right tumours. Your right park.

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15 May 2018 08:42:33
The ethos and traditions of the club are the most important thing, they are what makes us Manchester United. And they should be defended at all costs, even if that means sacrificing short term success to protect what in effect the club really is.

The players, the manager and the staff are just passing through. Some will be remembered for the right reasons others for the wrong ones the rest will mostly be forgotten about. But the club will remain.

I think most people have the clubs best interest at heart, we just differ on what we think is best for the club. One parent believes in one method of discipline for their child, another has a different idea on discipline. We can debate which one is right and which is wrong, but both love their kids and are doing what they think is best.

Some of us feel Jose is the best person to manage us at this time and feel he needs more time, while others feel he isn't going to succeed in the medium to long term and will create more issues that will need resolving when he does leave.

I fall into the latter category, I don't think he has the best intentions for the club just himself. He doesn't buy into the ethos of history of the club. For that reason I don't think he is a good fit for us, even though we will likely pick up a few cups under him.

For me the club is about fight and flair, a cavalier attitude, an expressive and expansive style of football and youth being given a chance (and not just to play the odd game, but to be allowed to make mistakes then grow and learn from them) . I don't see any of that under Jose. Since Sir Alex we have constantly gone for the experienced manager, or as I have come to see them yesterday's men. If we want to build for the future we need tomorrow's man to do it.

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15 May 2018 09:27:34
Tip top post Park and Trumours. It just feels like some people want Jose to fail so they can they say they knew it all. Some on here pretend they knoq it all but hey there is a reason why we are diacussing football and Jose is Managing the club.

Have some respect and back the Manager and not be negative and wait for him to fail.

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15 May 2018 09:41:54
Totally agree Shappy. His ego goes before the club and his players. People can criticise the players all they like, but he's the manager, he's the one guiding them, motivating them, advising them, if they are failing, it's because of him.

What annoys me the most is how easily commentators pick apart Mourinho's tactics, they are watching the games and are bewildered by his choices, his approach and come up with easy solutions.

My other concern is financial. With this boring football and our reliance on the international market and picking up further fans in new markets, how is our tedious football going to attract new fans in the long run? Winning trophies doesn't override this, who went on to support Greece after their boring Euro victory in 2004?

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15 May 2018 10:03:26
It annoys me LovelyLudwigVan or whatever, when these commentators try management themselves and suck at it.
Also some commentators that haven't kicked a ball in there life, or done a good days training and have literally no idea what goes on on the training pitch.

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15 May 2018 11:44:32
I've no problem with a manager having a go at a player that's playing week in week out.
But putting a player on for an odd game here and there and then singling him out and having a go at him is stupid carry on.
I'm not a big fan of Luke Shaw but the manager puts him on and then has a go at him in public.
If he is not what you want call him in to your office and tell him.
Now he had a few words with pogba and rightly so. he could have a few more words with him.
For me Jose isn't a fit for United.

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15 May 2018 11:48:21
Ahh Shappy, just imagine yourself in a Liverpool fan's shoes when you say that sacrifice trophies for entertainment. 25 years is it? We came, we saw, we won, we outclassed them, went downhill and are on the up again and they are still. what's the word. "entertaining".

It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive, what we need right now is a couple of pieces to fall into place and we can still be entertaining like Jose's Real and Chelsea were.

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15 May 2018 13:11:22
FZZ, I'm talking about the ex-football pundits, the likes of Dixon, Le Saux or Townsend, just because they haven't managed, does not mean they do not understand the basic workings of the game. Dixon is actually, surprisingly, quite fair when it comes to United, he acknowledges their pros and points out their flaws, but it's too easy for him to notice obvious problems in the tactical approach (ie. playing narrow against a tight West Brom defence, who cares if he's managed or not, that is just basic stuff) .

United Addict, I'd be interested to see who is gathering the most attention abroad between the tedious football or United or the entertaining football of Liverpool. I currently live in France and teach sports students, they are all enthusiastic about Liverpool and don't have much good to say about United, bar hoping Pogba and Martial do well. It's these kinds of things that can be damaging in the long run, especially in terms of foreign income and investments, which seem a priority in today's game.

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15 May 2018 14:48:01
LovelyLudwigVan i am not sure on that because i am sure nobody in India (where i come from) had heard of a team called Leicester City until they won the title and i can now vouch for at least a 100 folks who watch them week in week out. What type of football did Leicester play? let's talk about Chelsea too from last season, was their football any better than what we played this season?

As i said, entertainment and results don't have to be mutually exclusive. But for a CD player to play proper music, it needs to have all its parts functioning properly/ perfectly. You can't expect to listen to a symphony if one of the speakers has its wire lose or the disc reader isn't working as it should. Its up to the manager to make sure they work or replace the parts which i am sure our manager is trying. He is expected to put the CD in the reader and let the music play but with malfucntioning parts, the music will be painful which our football has been last season.

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14 May 2018 21:40:06
I've found it an interesting debate that's been going on, on here about Jose. I hope we don't all become entrenched in our views and stick to them no matter what .
If he's not yr cup of tea but he buys a few players and the performances improve then I hope we all root for him .
If it gets to Christmas and it's pretty clear we are nowhere near and it's still turgid to watch then I hope people say that's enough of this .
I think both points of view are valid his track record is that of a winner but then again we all have eyes and it's not pretty.
Everyone wants us to be successful we just disagree how that will happen for the record I'm not sitting totally on the fence I can't stand the way we play but I'd not fire a bloke for coming second and getting to a cup final but I would say to him if you want to play that way then you really do have to win things and compete for the major honours to justify it .

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14 May 2018 21:50:15
Good post, mate.

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14 May 2018 23:02:49
Both sides of the fence are correct in their own way. I think a lot of our problems don't stem from Jose but he often exacerbates them. Take the style of play issue for example. In Jose's favour the squad is still heavily unbalanced and short in key areas. We have no top level full backs and our centre backs need protection. Moreover, our right hand side is non existent offensively.

But, Jose has refused to develop Luke Shaw, whatever problems the lad has why can't Jose be the one to compromise and try and get through to him in a different manner than his usual 'push the player for a response'? Jose could have pushed for more players in the transfer market. Lastly, Mkhi was probably our best option on the right but Jose got rid of him, again he was a player who needed an arm round the shoulder not public humiliation to motivate him.

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14 May 2018 23:40:11
Good point Slate and i also agree with Nathaniel. As i said in a previous post further down, its his man management and his belief that his way or no way attitude is his downfall. A good manager is not one who doesn't listen, but one who listens and makes the right decisions. Mourinho to his detriment belongs to the former characteristic.

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15 May 2018 07:37:05
Must be all those trophies weighing him down that means he always makes bad decisions.

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15 May 2018 08:43:47
Luke Shaw is a professional athlete not fit enough to play matches. How is this Jose’s fault. He’s an adult and should take responsibility for his lack of application and effort because he has all the talent. Miki simply was a bad buy it happens under every manager at every club.

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15 May 2018 08:53:51
Ken, no one is saying Jose hasn't been successful. The question is has Jose become a victim of his own success?

Jose has always been arrogant, but has his success made him so arrogant that he can't learn from his mistakes as he doesn't believe he makes any?

Jose has won the title in his second year at every club bar ours, his last job ended with him leaving the club he took to the title close to the relegation zone.

He doesn't seem to have the same zest he used to, his interviews tend to come in one of two options. Sulky Jose who points out everyone messed up bar him or gloating Jose saying see I proved you wrong, or this is what I've won. No jokes, no smiles.

This is not the same Jose as before, so we can't say he will definitely have the same success as before.

At some point even the greatest become a spent force, I think it's safe to say there is more success in Jose's past then there will likely be in his future.

He is still a very good manager, he has just slipped into yesterday's man, as younger, fresher men have replaced him. The future success belongs to them. Maybe it makes more sense hitching our wagon onto someone on the up rather than someone on the down.

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15 May 2018 09:19:42
Eric, Shaw has the exact same issue Rooney had all of his career. He needs games to play himself into fitness. Wayne would come back at the start of every preseason over weight and would need to play 3-4 games in a row to reach peak fitness. When he came back from injury it would take nearly a month for him to be back up to speed. That's one of the reasons his goals often came in spurts.

Shaw is the same, he starts a game does well but tires towards the end. Then he doesn't play for a month and the same issue happens again. When Shaw played 3-4 games in a row for us by the time he got to the 3rd/ 4th game he was close to or was our man of the match in most games. Then Jose dropped him again.

Shaw could be great for us, and I fully expect him to do very well wherever he goes as long as he can steer clear of injury. He is unlikely to a player who plays at their peak into their mid 30's but he could like Rooney be a player who shines bright at a younger age then fades younger than others.

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15 May 2018 09:20:45
LVG came with a pretty decent CV. People could still see his best days were behind him, from watching the way Holland played in the World Cup alone.

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15 May 2018 09:27:24
And you gather that opinion even if you state it as fact based on what shappy?
You don't know him or have never met him and you have no idea what he says behind closed doors. For every player that says bad about him there will be 2 that sing his praises.
You really have no idea what mistakes he makes or what advice he takes. There was no more arrogant a manager than fergie in many respects. Or no more arrogant a man than pep. If you Ever get to the very top in your career after your studies you will probably have some arrogance about you then.
But you have no idea what it takes to become one of the best in the world at what you do. Most of us don't.
Your bias is very evident in your posts and remarks which clouds your judgements. The reality is none of us have the expertise to make such outlandish remarks. But it doesn't stop us doing it😂

You love an 'I told you so' but you are as often wrong as you are right on this page.

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15 May 2018 09:49:23
Top post ken. Shappy you simply dislike Jose and that is clouding your judgement on him. Every top manager has an ego and arrogance about their philosophy or how football should be played. For me pep is the best manager in the league. But he is also the most arrogant and stubborn. If it was not for an open chequebook he would be nowhere near where he is now. In his first season it was very clear that city did not have the right players to play out from the back yet he still did it and they were poor that season. Fast forward now the guy stuck to his guns and they have had a magnificent season. Whose to say Jose won’t get this side playing better once he sorts out the defence properly? You are almost hoping he fails so you can say I told you so. I am backing the manager because that is the right thing to do. I don’t agree with everything he does especially the way he has singled out shaw. But we also do not see what goes on behind the scenes. Fans are too quick to jump on Jose and blame him for being a narcissist and the devil incarnate. If he fails next year I will happily take the ‘I told you so’ from mourinho out brigade because I don’t mind being proven wrong. But at least I am backing the manager for as long as he is here because he is one of us whilst he is managing the club. Some may argue he does not get the club or the traditions blah blah blah but we protect or own at united. And when he leaves my loyalty to him will go and then it will be behind the next manager. What chance does Jose have when even his own fans are waiting for him to fail? Whose to say when the new manager comes in that this cycle will not repeat again if we are not playing city esque football?

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15 May 2018 11:17:41
Slate151 (OP), I think the beauty of this site is that the views of others who post here can be very persuasive. Before we had this latest debate on Jose I wanted him gone this summer. However, I have genuinely been convinced to be patient and give it another year.

Why? Well, because people have pointed out:
1) He's a serial winner
2. The squad has needed massive changes and two years is not long enough to rebuild
3. The first few years under Fergie were pretty dire.
4. Stability is better than constant change
5. There are perhaps reasons why we are not playing more attacking football yet.

Also, because I'm generally a positive person. I don't like to be negative. So, I have genuniely been convinced to put aside my dislikes and doubts and give Jose a chance to deliver. I'm even thinking that for the reasons I've listed above and barring some Jose self implosion, we should give him at least another two seasons and perhaps a full five years.

Of course, just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it's going to continue into the future. However, we can learn from history. So, I think that we can see Mourinho the same was as Moyes and LVC, in which case we should recognise that he will never come good and get rid ASAP. Or, we should see him as a Fergie figure and give him plenty of time and patience to do what he needs to do to get us back to the top again.

There's no point in flim flamming in the middle. That's just indecisive and confusing. So, if Jose is not a Moyes/ LVG, let's see if he can tap into his inner Fergie.

Go Jose or go home!

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15 May 2018 11:36:41
Really good post manc man.

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15 May 2018 12:16:58
Mourinho as a Fergie figure, whatever next.

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15 May 2018 12:21:40
Manc
The guy finished 2 Nd in the league and is in the cup final, I don't think he can be sacked for that, however the performances have been dire lots of times .
Posters have pointed out if he changes a few players that will get better, well I'm all for seeing if it does and hope it does . However if he changes some and it's still dire to watch then the it's the players thing goes out the window . I don't understand what's wrong with let's just see before forming yr opinion on the long term .

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15 May 2018 16:19:38
Sorry Shappy. Shaw is fat for a footballer and can’t stay fit or even try to. Ship him out.

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15 May 2018 18:17:48
Thanks Ken, he better bloody well deliver tho!

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14 May 2018 20:24:51
I'm interested to see how Sanchez starts next season with a full pre season and no distractions under his belt! Also whilst everyone else is playing in the World Cup!

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14 May 2018 21:13:17
we will never see the best of him while he spends half a game on the edge of his own area or in his own half looking for the ball - then he needs to understand the importance of not giving the ball away which is something that exasperated Wenger and his Arsenal team mates - hopefully then we can really see how good he is.

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14 May 2018 21:20:46
I've watched Sanchez with interest since he signed and I must confess I've been underwhelmed.

I was ecstatic when he came and honestly believed we'd got a player that would consistently deliver goals and assists and really improve our team but I'm not sure that's been the case.

Unfortunately he's not the player I expected. It's funny how you can often get the wrong impression of players from watching the odd game on TV or highlights on Match of the Day.

I thought we were getting a wide man with pace that could dribble, shoot and deliver quality crosses into the box. Someone that was a real threat on the counter and could carry the ball from one end to the other before playing a killer pass or cross.

In reality Sanchez is more of a midfield player. He likes the ball into feet, he likes to play quick one twos around the box, he's good on the ball in tight spaces where he can twist and turn with his low centre of gravity. He's always far too deep congesting the midfield, he rarely plays wide and constantly comes inside leaving us with no width and he prefers the ball to feet rather than making penetrating runs. In some respects he's very similar to Mata, (although he does have more pace and is a better dribbler) but I'm just not convinced he's going to give us what we need to take us to the next level.

I think if we signed a proper right winger he'll be ok because he's a quality player but he's very similar to Lingard and Mata and we really lack width and penetration.

For all the talk of transfers over the summer I think the only way we'll really see a more attacking, exciting brand of football is if we sign a right winger. A player that stays wide and gives us width, a player that can carry the ball at pace and beat a man, a player that can deliver quality crosses into the box for Lukaku, a player that can make penetrating runs and stretch defences.

In some respects Martial and Rashford we're providing this kind of penetration earlier in the season where we witnessed some decent attacking performances and scored some goals but maybe they both lacked that real consistency to nail their place in the team.

I have no doubt that Sanchez will play predominantly from the left next season therefore I think a right winger is vitally important if we want to see a more exciting brand of football.

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{Ed004's Note - Very very good post and I think you're spot on with what you're saying. I'd also like to add that I think we need to address whether Pogba and Sanchez can play together on the same side of the pitch without stepping on each other's toes. They both seem to occupy the same area of the pitch}

14 May 2018 21:44:14
Good post mate, I’m still not clear why we signed Sanchez. Whatever the Eason it seems to have negatively impacted Rashford and Martial.

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14 May 2018 21:48:42
Thanks Ed and totally agree about Pogba.

Dare I throw Gareth Bale into the mix?

I know many are not convinced and worried about his injury record but my god a fit Gareth Bale galloping down the right wing or running beyond Lukaku would surely get us all back on the edge of our seats. If ever there was a Utd type player it's a fit and in form Gareth Bale.

I think it's a gamble worth taking because if he's managed correctly and played the right way he's the player that could help us bridge the gap.

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{Ed004's Note - I was watching that Celta Vigo game the other day and Bale is still a world class player. I think he's probably the best player we could sign for the right side but not sure if he's the best option. I think though that over time and a bit of work during pre season we could get Sandro (new lb), Pogba and Sanchez working at a high level. When Sanchez comes inside would let Pogba drift wide and he's very effective there. If we signed someone capable of play wide right we also wouldn't have Mata or Lingard crowding the central areas as well}

14 May 2018 23:54:57
Looking and at our squad and the players we're targeting maybe the plan is to play a diamond next year. Pogba on the left side and Sanchez at the top of it. Would need a dynamic midfielder for the right hand side - SMS? And new full backs to provide the width.

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15 May 2018 08:56:54
Nathaniel, that's what I would love to see. 442 diamond, that way we can play Pogba, Sanchez and Martial in thier best positions, we just need a couple of flying fullbacks. Sandro and Cancelo would be ideal.

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15 May 2018 09:24:58
regarding wide right, Mahrez anyone? decent age, wants a big club and epl proven.

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15 May 2018 09:28:40
Been calling for that system for over a year now shaps.

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15 May 2018 15:08:19
I'd like to see how that could work Shaps with Martial or Rashford pulling into that wide left channel.

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14 May 2018 19:15:11
Seen a report on a red glory page that we are intrested in signing Albanian rb from napoli ELSEID HYSAJ anyone heard or know anything about him. don't no how reliable that red glory page is. thanks.

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14 May 2018 19:23:17
44 million apparently.

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15 May 2018 07:40:40
Rapid very promising and a good defender.

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14 May 2018 19:13:24
Anyone noticed that our 2008 side doesn't seem to get many mentions when compared to the current city side or the invincibles. Would personally take our 84 point haul and a premier league and champions league double over either of those sides.

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14 May 2018 20:08:33
Yes on 08 and also our 99 side and probably the 94 one but hyperbole and the urge to not have United as the best of anything gets in front of this. Ignore, they only won one league title, if they get three in a row they have achieved something, double it with the Champions League and they then can be talked about in more exalted company.

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14 May 2018 20:39:43
I heard a City fan in the radio saying they were the best Premier League team ever. They broke some records but let’s see how much stamina they have. I’d take our ‘94 or ‘99 teams to do them, probably the ‘08 as well.

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14 May 2018 21:33:16
Yeah I’ve noticed this, like we didn’t domaine for a decade or more ain’t it.

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14 May 2018 23:08:13
99 maybe .
Truth is how many times did fergy do pep? I feel sick.

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15 May 2018 07:31:13
Less times than jose.

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14 May 2018 19:08:26
I love reading people slagging off jose's ego. Because you have to have some ego to call a manager with his cv an idiot when the highest level most have played or coached is local league. 😂 every warehouse is full of people driving forklifts that call the board and managers idiots. Most of the time they are wrong.
Sporting managers always have to put up with that sort of crap. How many movie fans think they can direct a movie better than Spielberg?
Managers nearly always get my support before the players . Players play mangers manage. Players are paid to do what their told.
Good post below. Jose supporters see the new coaching set up as a positive jose detractors see it as an arrogant foolish move.
It's probably best to wait and see because nobody not even our resident know-it-alls knows anything about the coaching set up or how it will work.
Everybody wants the same thing but want to take different roads to get there. I can't wait to see how it pans out.

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14 May 2018 21:37:54
Interesting post Ken. I am a business owner. I have several "forklift" operators who along with the rest of my staff, do a superb job and we respect them immensely for it. None of these people or our managers will have the temerity to call themselves football managers. But they all go to matches on weekly basis and support their team. Most will have their finger on the pulse when it comes to knowing what works for their team.
I have never felt the urge or been stupid enough to think it's a good idea to assemble my staff and then single out one underachiever. It simply does not work this way and serves only to demotivate the said person. What Mourinho is doing, singling players out for critiscm, thinking only his decisions are correct, goes against every successful management process. He is in fact, an extremely bad man manager. This has been proved as he always falls foul of the players.
So as you say, let's wait and see what happens, but its not boding well at present.

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14 May 2018 22:15:11
I often call out employees In front of others when its needed. AAA. It's done us no harm.
Just for the record I was not paying any dis respect to or forklift drivers I was using the point to illustrate that everybody thinks they can do a better job than people who are qualified and experienced to that job.
Jose is not a bad manager he is a very successful one.

How many players did Fergus fall out with or cough for example. Your bias is evident in your posts and its clouding your statements And judgement. For every reason you think he is a bad manager there are 2 to say he is a good one.

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14 May 2018 22:29:24
Ken no point repeating the same things over and over. The people who don't like Jose they would never like him. let's just wait until next season and i am pretty sure we would do something special if the players don't down their tools.

Jose has done a remarkable job with this disjointed team and compared to where we were with Lvg and the players Josr took over from him.

I would say well done Jose, only if the players played a bit better we might have even challenged for something this year.

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14 May 2018 23:10:43
I love it when people slag of players when it is obvious they have never kicked a ball in there life.

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14 May 2018 23:47:52
That’s the problem nobody is saying Jose shouldn’t be criticised but some dislike him so will only abuse him rather than look at the positives.

Jred if you are going by that standard then none of us are qualified to comment on the players because none of us have played at a professional level. Everybody is entitled to their opinion but I do feel That fans unfairly subject Jose to a character assassination. Not his biggest fan but he is very successful and deserves another year.

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15 May 2018 06:40:30
Singe, Jose has done a remarkable job with this disjointed team. He signed Ibrahimovic, Pogba, Miki, Matic, Lukaku, Bailey, Lindelof. 2 strikers, 3 midfielders, 2 defenders. That’s well over half a team so if it’s disjointed then he is partly to blame.

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14 May 2018 18:43:19
Ok then, I'm convinced. I've been persuaded to put aside my dislike of Mourinho and his boring football and to give him my support for a further 12 months.

I'm doing this because I trust all the people on this site who tell me that there is a plan. You've told me that after one more season and three years as manager Jose will have the team he wants and can then play the dynamic high scoring football we all crave because that's what he did at Real Madrid with the record goal tally they achieved.

I'll accept your argument that the only reason we are so defensive is that Jose doesn't trust our defense. So, after this summer when he brings in two new full backs and a better centre back we will see players committed forwarded because he knows our new defense has got it covered.

I’m already looking forward to the more relaxed and happy special one because he knows that with the unlimited funds at his disposal, by the end of the season everything will be in place for him to have his perfect team. I have no doubt that once his perfect team is in place he will love and cherish each and every member like they are his own sons. There will be no need to criticise because they will be playing the football of the gods.

I believe you when you say that Jose doesn’t need a number two because he has all the ideas he will ever need so why would he want some fresh thinking. Also, if you think living in a hotel and flirting with other football clubs is what you want from your manager then I’ll accept that as well. Finally, if you tell me that our manager should disrespect the fans and the club I’ll buy into that as well.

I’m finally a believer! Jose! Jose! Jose!

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14 May 2018 20:41:34
Awesome MancMan. Enjoy the ride. 😂😂.

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14 May 2018 22:18:24
Welcome to The dark side manc man. Great post made me laugh😂.

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14 May 2018 23:11:15
You will upset Ken.

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14 May 2018 23:43:41
Manc. Class post.

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15 May 2018 02:04:30
MancMan-stop mincing your works fella and say what you mean will ya!

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15 May 2018 07:32:58
Wont upset me Denis why would it. silly little man.

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Should Mark Hughes should be kept on at Southampton FC for the long term?

14 May 2018 15:49:08
{Ed's Note - figodasilva has posted a new article entitled, Should Mark Hughes should be kept on at Southampton FC for the long term?

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14 May 2018 15:39:06
Good evening folks. The curtain has come down on the premier league season and the managers future again is causing a split. I get the football has been dour. At times its a chore watching us instead of it being a pleasure. I agree with most of the points from the supporters who want to play the Man Utd way and would be happy with seeing the back of Jose. And I also agree with the supporters who see improvement's and want to stick instead of twisting.

Progress is the key. If you can improve every step of the way, then success won't be far away. Like him or loathe him, Jose has improved us. Scored more, conceded less, more points in total, more points against our top rivals. The basics are more than there. The foundation's are nearly laid.

I seen a stat that blew me away. In the 21 games in the league we scored first, we went on to win all 21. That's a manager who knows how to win. That is extraordinary.

I do get that the football is tedious, but we are evolving. The team is learning how to win again. To win ugly. To grind out results. To come from behind. To keep going until the last minute. To hold onto leads.

I was in the pub last week. Having a chat about the world of football with some opposition fans. The stuff they were saying about our manager and our club was the same vitriol that was said when we were winning titles under Sir Alex.

Our perch was supposed to be destroyed. We were supposed to spend the next decade or two fighting for European football at best. Well it's not working out like that.

Give the Special One another year. That's nothing in football terms. With improvements in the squad, I can see us winning the league next year!

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14 May 2018 15:54:34
Can't see past city next year to be honest .

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14 May 2018 16:25:28
Mumbles. Good post, but City won the league by 19 points and a good of 39 more than us. They also played with style and aggression that will see them win the league quite comfortably for the next two seasons. If we continue being dour, unadventerous, boring, we will not be in top 4 next year. Liverpool and chelsea will improve further. So there's no way we're winning the league with mourinho in charge.

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14 May 2018 16:52:26
And man city will bring in a few more players in the summer.
So they might be that bit stronger next season.
We are a long way off the top teams in Europe.

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14 May 2018 18:10:24
AAA. So everyone will improve except for us? Can we not sign players? The league hasn't been retained in nearly a decade. Peps methods are strenuous on his players and near the end of the season when they played their 3 most important matches against us and two against Liverpool they fluffed their lines.

Liverpool have the best player in Europe playing for them and they only finished 4th. Spurs are at the end of their cycle, that team has peaked. Depends who Chelsea get in but their squad needs major work. Every team has flaws. You'd swear we fluked our way to second this year.

We have no divine right to win anything and finishing second and improving from our disastrous finishes over the last few years shows me we're on the right track.

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14 May 2018 18:22:23
Mourinho’ s football bores me, his whole persona these days bores me. We need fresh ideas and attacking entertaining football but he won’t be going anywhere not for another year at least. God help us.

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14 May 2018 18:27:55
Well said Mumbles. Our football had been pretty dull, but the amazing Liverpool and Spurs (and Chelsea) finished comfortably behind us. We will strengthen, Jose will see to that, and will be better next season. If not, Jose is a goner.

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14 May 2018 18:35:32
Very good post and expresses my feelings mostly, great record 21/ 21, my worry tho is when we fall behind most often we don’t seem able to recover, ok City and Palace was great comebacks but be interesting to see what our record in that department is.

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14 May 2018 21:37:43
Class mumbles.

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14 May 2018 10:18:38
What do people think about Jose's decision not to have an assistant next season?

I was hoping that bringing in a new person could help challenge Jose and push him to adapt. Now it looks like he'll have a team of coaches, but no assistant. To me this looks like Jose entrenched in his own methods, and not wanting any fresh perspectives. Not an encouraging sign given how poor the football has been at times this season. Are we going to see peak Jose?

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14 May 2018 11:18:27
The first thing he said yesterday after the game was, I am champion 8 times. It's all about him.
Never mentioned how many times United were champions.
He has an ego bigger than mount Everest.

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14 May 2018 11:43:17
And for me that is the size of ego required to manage this giant club. Remember the Chosen One?

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14 May 2018 11:33:04
We can only hope. I think the value of a number two lies in the reasons why number one has them. Maybe Jose sits with a white cat on his lap and throws Shaw and Martial in to a shark infested pool (and not under a bus) after all.

Poor attempt at humour aside for those old enough to get the gag, I’m not convinced that Jose’s football philosophy would change a great deal irrespective of who his assistants are and what they are called.

Jose is stubborn, and can point to a CV that may justify that, so don’t expect any radical changes simply because of Rui leaving. I’d far sooner see two decent full backs and a dominant midfielder before any number two of choice.

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14 May 2018 11:57:58
Not sure about that. Fergie always had the foresight to hire good assistants, particularly when it looked like his methods were getting a bit stale. Jose has had the same assistant for nearly 20 years, and doesn’t want to challenge his views by bringing in a new one. Ego needs to be tempered or it’ll blind you.

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14 May 2018 12:03:31
Jose last 12 month imo.

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14 May 2018 12:23:39
Jose Mourinho- the miserable one.

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14 May 2018 13:33:55
Bearing in mind jose has mentioned people earning his trust before he'll trully open up, you can't be too surprised by his decision surely? as mentioned above, having a different point of view is a BENEFIT most of the time, i'm put to mind that his old no.2 was able to temper jose's anger on the touchline on more than 1 occasion, and when jose was frothing he stepped in to give the after match comments, with no 'safety-net'for next season i hope the special one can make like a zen buddist, and not like a certain character in a well-known play, watching rome burn while he was on the fiddle (figuratively speaking of course! ), this has got to be jose's season i reckon, for all concerned.

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14 May 2018 13:58:09
His Ego couldn't handle someone challenging his views, and he is slow to trust people. He has had the same assistant for most of his career. He clearly only considers an assistant as a yes man, someone to relay his demands.

I think this could be the beginning of the end for Jose at United. It's concerning that Rui Daria isn't leaving for a better job or a stab at being a manager, he's leaving to spend more time with his family. Is his living situation the same as Jose's? Has he been living away from his family while at United? If so why? And if that is the case then how much longer will Jose be happy to continue without his family and his right hand man?

Jose tends to implode in his third season, all the ingredients are starting to be added to the pot.

He has lost his right hand man, people within the club still aren't convinced that by him, the fans are starting to get bored of his football and his antics and he still hasn't got his family around him.

I expect headlines in August/ September that he didn't get all the signings he needed, as Jose starts to pick fights he can't win while the team struggles and it all implodes.

Hopefully we can get an FA cup before then, but I don't see Jose seeing out next season.

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14 May 2018 14:53:25
"But I'm going to improve my staff in the performance level and, in relation to the tactical work, I'm going to bring some people that, until this moment, have not come with me yet. " He is going to bring in new people, he has mentioned the difficulty motivating some players and criticized the dynamics of the team. This could be a chance to solve all that. let's at least give next season a chance to start before we are writing it off.

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14 May 2018 15:04:20
Shappy you really think that or you hoping for it?

I see the manager being backed this summer completely on everything he asks for just like City. For me he sees out his contract and by then the groundwork would be laid for the new man to come in and take us forward.

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14 May 2018 15:11:29
There’s going to be a lot of humble pie eaten on this site this time next year, one way or another.

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14 May 2018 16:26:57
I think we will be better all round next year but that city will still win the league.

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14 May 2018 16:37:34
I agree with Danny. I think the fact he's not recruiting an assistant is utterly stupid and smacks of the big headed nature of our manager. He's a dictator that does not want to be challenged, and we all know that dictators never last anywhere and their methods are mostly wrong.
Fergie was a strong personality but he had the intelligence of asking for help from his right hand man, and look how well it worked out for him. Kidd, knox, Queiros and McLaren all contributed to our success in different ways.
Is Mourinho seriously trying to tell us that he's the font of all knowledgea? Its pathetic and dangerous at the sane time. The man is clearly a complete idiot to be thinking this way.
Agree with Shappy and Jred that it'll all end in tears in 12 months time.

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14 May 2018 17:12:34
AAA you are just making assumptions. How do you know the club aren’t looking into an assistant? We all know Jose says one thing in the media and then does another. Don’t just come to the conclusion Jose is a dictator and a tyrant to suit your agenda against him because it is quite frankly getting boring. Carrick has already been drafted in and Jose said he would restructure the coaching team so there would not necessarily be an ‘official’ assistant coach. He may well add to his team but this Jose bashing is so tiresome. I’m not a fan but he isn’t going anywhere for at least a year. Get behind the manager as sir alex told us to because that is part of the traditions of the club. Seems a lot of people pick and choose what traditions they endorse. Apparently we must play attacking football but we don’t have to support the manager? Ed002 was right we are a bunch of toxics.

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14 May 2018 18:03:35
United addict, of course I don't want it to happen. I just think it will. Jose has a proven track record of imploding in his third season at clubs. He has managed to implode when he has a happy home life, when he has just come off the back of winning a title so you would assume he was enjoying his professional life, and yet he still imploded.

Now he isn't having the same level of success, and he is isolated in his private life.

If I was a betting man I would bet on him being close to the edge.

All it will take is some poor performances at the start of next season for pressure to build and the house of cards to come tumbling down. Most of our players will be at the world cup this summer and will likely come back tired and jaded having not had much of a break either physical or mentally. That is likely to lead to poor performances. It happens after every international tournament.

I agree with Tokyo, one way or another people will be eating humble pie. Unless of course United continue to play a boring style, we don't challenge for the title and Jose doesn't implode and gets sacked/ leaves.

Who eats humble pie then?

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14 May 2018 18:05:32
I'm still shocked by a serious Danny post.

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14 May 2018 18:10:15
Did Chelsea not Winn the league with a best point record last season and fail to qualify for cl this season. I don't see that happening at city but to say that they will win the league for next 2 years because of the way they played this season is nonsense really. Aguero might leave anyone could get injured the loss of Silva or maybe arteta could prove pivotal .
Players there might lose form they are not machines.
Our new signings could make all the difference like city's signings did this season.
Martial might do a sterling and actually force his way in.
If you think it's all over before it starts your better off not watching at all.

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14 May 2018 18:10:51
So United have hired a chief scout from Juventus last year or so, add Michael Carrick to the set up. looks more like a re-structure. I wouldn't be surprised if Rui Faria was made redundant.

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14 May 2018 18:33:54
Or Utd May well be looking to re-structure the antiquated assistant manager model. Nowhere else does a company have a number 2, just a group of senior skilled professionals on a board reporting into the CEO. maybe this method means Jose is open to more varied and direct input from his staff not less.

Spin the story however you want to.

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14 May 2018 18:50:14
I don't think anyone will be eating humble pie or needs to.
Everybody wants the same thing.
If we win the league or mount a serious title challenge next season i'm sure everyone will be happy.
Personally I have 100% faith in the manager and i hope he is with us for a few more years. It's unlikely that will happen but that's what I hope for. If it does happen then we will be winning titles because it won't happen if we aren't.
If he fails and implodes and leaves or gets sacked my support for jose dies and goes towards the new manager 100% and i won't look back. I won't mind reading the 'I told you so's and i won't be eating humble pie for supporting a manager 100% even if he fails.
The need to win is what drives jose. He has always imploded left or got fired after winning a league his will to succeed at United won't be gone until he does.
Our problem is not only the manager. I think he has done well this season in many respects.
He inherited a really poor squad with our only top class player being our goal keeper. Players chins were on the ground.
Signings Fergies made before he had built his squad and got rid of the poor longstanding people's hero's that were ultra bad professionals looked very poor at first.
But once the squad had been turned around and everybody was on the same page with the same ambitions attitude and mentality improvement came quickly.
We have too many players who don't have the desire attitude and killer instinct and required application to be the best. Too many mentally weak players who think they have made it just because they are a United player. Well imo you have made nothing unless you are a winning Manchester United player.

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14 May 2018 18:59:28
Top post ken. Sums up exactly how I’m feeling at the moment.

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14 May 2018 09:27:26
I remember we predicted the final standings and golden boot etc at the starting of the season. 1 thing I'm sure about is that no one got the golden boot correct. Did anyone get the teams correct?

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14 May 2018 09:50:35
Bear with me, results will follow after the Champions League final.

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14 May 2018 09:53:04
Sailor.
Every year I put United down to win every comp so I never have a chance.
I bet nobody got salah.
I bet nobody had the 3 relegated clubs.
I bet very few had both cl finalists.
I reckon I did worse than Mrs Beast this year🤣
I'm sure ajh will give the detail after the cl final.

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14 May 2018 13:58:14
Fairly sure I put City then United this year so not a bad start.

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14 May 2018 14:35:47
Fairly sure I did United, city. So a bad start.

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14 May 2018 17:31:16
No more bets on Utd, no more predictions based on my support of Utd. Those our my new season resolutions.

Also - if I am getting no enjoyment from the game after 10mins, turn it off and don't let it ruin yet another weekend (it has destroyed far too many to count in recent years) .

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Review Of The Day 14th May 2018

14 May 2018 07:54:31
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 14th May 2018

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14 May 2018 07:03:40
81 points is a good return but god the football was awful .
Role on next season.

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14 May 2018 07:22:36
I'm not sure it will get much better jred.

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14 May 2018 07:46:29
Angle you might be right it's why I'm not that bothered who we buy I'm not sure it will make a massive difference.

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14 May 2018 02:47:57
Couldn’t agree more AJH everything you said I said something similar last week. It’s not just about winning. The man truly is a narcissist. Digging out players after every defeat, unless your matic lukaku or Sanchez. Taking credit for victories and even performances in shaws case. The choice of Mctominay as player of the year just to push his own agenda of he picks youth. He disappeared down the tunnel after the last away on Thursday night without the slightest acknowledgement of the fans. Today was similar, no wave of acknowledgement, no lap from him. He didn’t even give a speech. First Rome I can remember a united manager not doing that. It’s probably not going to happen but I can’t be the only one hoping that PSG come in for him over the summer.
He doesn’t get united and Sir Bobby was right in 2013. He’s a good manager but he’s not a united manager. Style of play, the narky personality, it’s all just adding up to a horror show. If we stick with him we could be in a mess that will take us years to get out of.

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14 May 2018 06:01:49
I’ve read the replies to my post down th page and most seem to focus on the style of play. Whilst this is an issue for me the bigger problem is the attitude and manner of the man. Have we really come to this? Winning is all that matters irrespective of the playing style, the negativity, the bullying of players, the crass comments?

Park, I want to win again but not at all costs. We are better than that.

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14 May 2018 06:36:30
He didn’t give a speech, oh no. Maybe his standards are that second is first loser and up and at them speeches mean little, especially to players some of whom need changing

So many posts of the equivalent of “Two years of excuses Tara Jose”. Only problem is two trophies last season and big improvement in league position plus a cup final again this. Have we become a set of stamp our feet manager out mob? Is that the new generation want it now and don’t want to work for it?

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14 May 2018 07:47:41
Redman come on you wanted moyes out before a ball had been kicked .
You stamped your feet and wanted lvg out.

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14 May 2018 07:52:00
airforcered, "If we stick with him we could be in a mess that will take us years to get out of. "

As opposed to?

What he has brought is trophies and a better winning mentality. What his predecessors brought was limited players who were happy just to play for us. They did not expect to win, Jose does and I love that.

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14 May 2018 09:39:03
Bang on 12 days.
the club means different things to different people.
Ajh you have your views we read them nearly daily which is great. I respect them but don't agree with them because supporting the club means something different to me than it does to you. We are the same generation but just have different views.

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14 May 2018 10:27:33
Fair enough Tony I think we will have to agree to disagree on this! I’m not saying sacrificing style completely but imo you cannot sack the manager when there has been improvements. Yes the style is woeful and I agree with that. We were in disarray when he joined and fast forward 2 years we are in a far better position. At least give the guy credit for that. I am neither Jose in or Jose out. He winds me up to no end with his narcissistic comments but he deserves another season. I know majority on here disagree with me but we cannot keep sacking managers. I seem to remember after the city game and the Tottenham semi that majority of fans were positive. Then a few bad results and it’s the end of the world. Why does there have to be 2 extremes? Why can’t we be objective when assessing the situation instead of discrediting the manager because of his character. Yes Liverpool and city play great football but I seem to remember many fans on here slagging off klopp’s Ability as a manager. And now he’s the best thing since sliced bread. Btw I have always been a fan of Klopp and wanted him to replace Fergie over pep or Jose. Winning is important to me. For me you play to win. Style is very important and we should not sacrifice it. But sometimes there has to be a compromise. If Jose is still serving up this rubbish this time next year and not winning the big trophies then he needs to go. But I believe he deserves to see out his 3 years. I really get where you are coming from but sacking him is not going to suddenly make everything hunky dory.

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14 May 2018 11:09:45
Where city right to get rid of Pellegrini or Madrid sacked at Madrid after getting there highest ever points total .
Just a simple yes no?

Lvg at United as well finished joint 4th and won the fa cup in his last season was that not improvement?

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14 May 2018 12:52:01
Yes some of us recognised from day one the disaster Moyes would be and were proved right.
Your correct LvG did improve things. But the toxics spoke. Now here we are again. Another manager. More improvement. Same bad style of play. And guess what the toxics are coming out again. let's see how next year goes and replace if needed. Although I wonder who with and how much time he'll get before the knives are out.

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14 May 2018 13:55:19
Spot on mort.

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14 May 2018 14:36:26
How did LVG improve things? His football was worse than Sexton's. We reached the final with one of the easiest passages I can remember, and we still made hard work of it. Have people forgotten so quickly just how bad the football was under him?

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14 May 2018 14:39:52
What's the difference between a toxic wanting rid of moyes or one wanting rid of lvg .
Both the same really

What has moyes got to do with Pellegrini.

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14 May 2018 14:58:05
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It was an improvement on the previous year?
Managers leave clubs I don't really get the back the manager from people who will be shouting to have him sacked by Xmas
Football at times this season has also been awful imo.

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14 May 2018 15:00:11
Mort
How long before the knives are out again?

But you wanted moyes out from day 1?

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14 May 2018 16:27:56
Because Moyes clearly wasn't the right appointment. As was proved. LvG like Jose arrived with a reputation more fitting a United manager.

LvG improved us in not finishing 7th and winning a cup.

Id just like to know who this footballing messiah is people want and how long they'll give him.

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{Ed007's Note - lennon

14 May 2018 16:31:39
Did anyone seriously think Moyes was the right man for the job?

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{Ed007's Note - Fergie?}

14 May 2018 18:57:06
Ed007, your a legend 😂😂😂.

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{Ed007's Note - :-D

14 May 2018 02:17:22
Anyone else notice at the final whistle today Sanchez heading straight down the tunnel (closely followed by Jose) and when the players eventually came back out for Carrick’s speech and the end of season lap Sanchez wasn’t with the team. Are the rumours of him not gelling with the squad true?

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{Ed001's Note - Sanchez is a loner, he always has been one of those that did not gel with team-mates. Similar to many Spanish players to be honest, Sanchez just wants to go home and be with family after training. He is a family man, similar to the way Bobby Charlton was. The difference was, back when Charlton was in the team, there were a few of them that would go out together as a group of families for meals etc, that had been together for years. The other players need to adapt to the way he is.}