Manchester United Banter Archive May 14 2019

 

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14 May 2019 14:43:56
Angel Gomes departure rumours doing the rounds. Sounds like Herrera has put him in his removal van to PSG.

No idea if true, however arguably the last thing United need right now is for future prospects to be unsettled. If true, is this a case of an impatient youngster not being ready or a genuinely "ready" talent being held back?

I think the strength of the "lightweight not ready for the PL" argument has been well and truly destroyed by David and Bernado at City!

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14 May 2019 14:51:58
I know what your saying about size but Gomes is even smaller and far more lightweight than those two. I personally don’t think he will make it but hope otherwise. If he has said what is reported then it’s goodnight Vienna I’m afraid. Most of these supposed wonder kids have there filled with absolute tosh from most coaches I know from my 15 year old being in the academy process. Glorified PE coaches most of them.

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14 May 2019 15:19:36
Bye bye Gomes.

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14 May 2019 15:44:09
There is a big difference between small and lightweight the 2 silva's are small not light weight, gomes on the other hand genuinely looks like a shoulder to shoulder will end up with him ending up a few feet from where he started.

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14 May 2019 16:06:19
Gomes needs to fill out. I'm not a fan of the idea that you need to have a certain physique to play football in the EPL. That isn't true, there are many examples of players with a smaller stature being able to compete at that level. However, it isn't Gomes's height that is the problem, more that he hasn't yet filled out. There is a concern that he could be injured when going toe to toe with many EPL players.

That said, playing at youth level is beneath him at this stage. A loan out to a less physically demanding, but of higher technical skill is what he needs at this juncture. Portugal, Belgium, the Netherlands could all be good destinations for him.

Hopefully, that is what he was was getting at with these comments. There are no direct quotes, just suggestive comments from someone "close to the player". So there may or may not be anything in these comments. He is a super talented lad, who needs a good structure to his development. If the club can get it right then we will have a great young player. Let's wait and see.

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14 May 2019 16:25:58
I have a hard time believing this one. I have heard great things about Gomes, and the idea of a loan makes sense to where he can gain experience.

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14 May 2019 17:24:04
He is still an old boy not yet developed into a young man.
He has a contract. There is no issue. Bad red devil. I bet the publication that released t hay crap also has had us signing at least 2 dozen different names.
Why does anyone believe all this crap?

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14 May 2019 17:30:21
Stick him in the championship for a season, that’ll learn him!

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14 May 2019 17:52:56
You often get noises like this at the end of a season, however how are his compatriots in the World Cup winning team progressing? He could and should have had some time at the end of the season yet got none or almost none, that has to rankle with him. It happened to city with Sancho and Brahim so easily happen with Gomes. Depends how they have been managing him and the explanations as to why he wasn’t given any time at all on the pitch. At that age you think you are better than you are but if you are given no time at all then you may agitate to go.

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14 May 2019 18:29:39
Red man disagree completely. If your 18 and supposedly a Utd fan and your around the first team it’s what I and many of us would dream for. If he’s good enough he’ll get his chance. It beggars belief the impatience of some people. He’s 18 for Christ sake but looks 12.He would be bullied off the ball so easily. If he wants to play regular then a loan is in order but these kids think there too good for a loan and should be starting every game.

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14 May 2019 18:39:56
Blackpool Red

So he was ok for Mourinho to give a sub appearance nearly what 2 years ago but not good enough to get on the pitch. So we prefer non performing experience over even 15 mins of youth?

If he isn’t good enough fair enough but to go with experience over youth when you are being let down with experience is illogical. I would rather have lost with those kids given minutes but making managerial decisions when under pressure is not easy, takes experience and confidence.

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14 May 2019 18:39:12
Would agree a loan to a championship call will do good for him. The championship league is a tough place and he will show people what h3 is made off.

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14 May 2019 19:05:07
You don’t get my point. If it’s true what’s he’s said then it’s another kid getting too big for his boots. I’d rather play youngsters than these overpaid clowns.

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14 May 2019 19:32:31
Singh I was half joking actually as I think he’d be massively humbled and it would prove him wrong, but who knows it might be a good move.

Perhaps a season in Portugal would be better for him.

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14 May 2019 20:28:56
He has to test himself somehow and if he isn't going to get games here and its no point playing for under 21s or as you don't learn much.

It would be better for him to either stick and fight buf if he is itching for a move then he can go on loan and test himself.

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14 May 2019 20:32:29
Don't think he will make it balckpool red? as what a footballer? or with Utd? because he will defiantly make it as a footballer, he's a class little player and would be stupid to let him go.

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14 May 2019 20:42:34
More and more youngsters from PL are echoing similar sentiments and expressing similar desires it seems. They see a kid like Sancho moving to Bundesliga and lighting it up, and they're probably wondering why they should wait patiently and go on loans left and right.

If Gomes is feeling that way, then it's no different to a couple of youngsters of ours (Chelsea) . Just recently we had a top GK prospect decline to extend his contract and he's joining PSG on a free this summer.

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14 May 2019 22:09:34
All Ole apparently said is that he's physically fragile. Which he is. A good gust of wind could have him over. Imagine a shoulder barge off of some big meat head.

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14 May 2019 22:29:13
😂😂😂😂😂.

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14 May 2019 22:52:28
Kids develop muscle mass at different stages. He is a late developer In that sense . He is a very talented kid. But even at 18 he is physically behind where many a16 yo would be. He just needs to be patient. Its unwise sms wrong to over train until a certain muscle mass is naturally developed. If you do you will hamper growth of natural muscle mass which leads to muscle issues long term.
Jessie had the same issue. Great at under age but didn't make any impact at men's level until he was 22.
Its not about heigths either. Remember pallister. A bean pole when he arrived.
He will always be small in stature but he can be as strong as aguero salah hazzard etc who are all diminutive players who you just can't knock off the ball.
He can get there he needs to listen to the best advice work on his skills movement passing technique and just wait for his body to catch up. PATIENCE.

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14 May 2019 23:21:29
rubbish. Best at 17 / 18? Put weight on when he was 20.Can only knock him over if they can catch him. Go Angel prove these "know all's" wrong son!

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15 May 2019 06:49:25
He’s one of our highest rated youngsters yet he is sat watching players underperforming every week and he can’t get on the pitch. If he isn’t going to get a chance this year then when is he? I’d be peed off.

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15 May 2019 07:21:37
Ignorance is bliss.

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14 May 2019 12:50:24
I'm struggling to understand where these Fletcher rumours for Technical Director are coming from? Apart from he was at United, why him specifically? I can imagine Rio's PR team drumming up some interest and stories for him but the Fletcher rumour just seems bizarre to me considering all the ex players we have who could also be linked. He's not that long been retired also. Is it that inconceivable that some players prepare for life after football by doing their coaching badges, has Fletcher, like Van Der Saar gone and done a masters degree in sports and brand management?

Otherwise it just baffles me where the rumour has come from!

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14 May 2019 16:09:03
I don't think we should be looking at an ex player for this role. However, depending on what the role will entail I could imagine the fact that Fletcher came through our academy might be something that places him above other candidates. He does understand the inner workings from a players perspective from academy to first team. What benefit that could have depends on what his job would be.

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14 May 2019 17:08:38
Its not going to be the normal "director role" that normal clubs hire someone for anyway.


We may aswell add krusty the clown the the mix to go along side coco and Ronald.

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14 May 2019 17:54:31
Why appoint someone who understands the workings of the past? We should be appointing someone who will structure the workings of the future.

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14 May 2019 18:16:11
Red Man, how do you build for the future if you don't know what was done in the past? Understanding what worked and what didn't work previously and why, is the starting point of any future plan.

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14 May 2019 18:28:42
Shappy

We learn from history but have to build for the future. You can learn the structure as is, in fact that is what consultants do before designing a forward path, a forward strategy, the knowing how to implement it. If you bring someone in just to do the same old, nothing will change. We have to modernise with new ideas to face the football of now, not the 90’s. This is a fundamental problem and one which brings decline in many industries, the lack of willingness to accept change. It’s denial and we are in it.

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14 May 2019 18:29:46
That doesn't have to be someone who came through the club though shappy does it?

It would be nice if there was someone qualified who came through the club. But Darren Fletcher and Rio are certainly not qualified.

Its ridiculous to even have their names mentioned for these type of roles.

I can't believe that people are even considering it. It just shows our clear lack of knowledge when it comes to this.

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14 May 2019 18:54:21
Red man and Angel, I completely agree. I said in the first line of my reply that I don't think we should hire an ex-player for that sort of role.

I'm merely saying why the club might want an ex player for that role. I agree with Red man's analysis that you can learn the structure without ever having been involved with it.

Just pointing out why the might be looking for an ex player.

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14 May 2019 19:50:03
I know, I can see the half logic in it. But an explayer should only be considered if they are truly qualified to fill such a position. It would be a dream, much like the appointment of an explayer to the managers role.

But I am in fear that even though we have wandered down a troublesome road, it is only going to get worse.

The only positive I can take right now is that Woodward is making a rod off his own back. If this fails and it most likely will, Woodward and the decision makers will be directly in the firing line.

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14 May 2019 22:08:11
How do people get experience without doing it.

We've been trying for 4 years to bring someone in and have been turned down by practically everyone in European football because we haven't a clue or we're such a mess no one will touch us. Hence its ex players we're looking at.

It also depends on the role. If as Ed2 said all he's doing is coordinating scouting with what the manager needs how much experience is needed. If he's going to see potential signings to sell them United then an ex player is perfect.

We don't know what the job will be yet so let's leave the panic for another day.

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14 May 2019 22:31:04
Sometimes in life its not about what you know, it's about who you know.

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14 May 2019 11:58:41
Longshot as money talks and city will get out of it.

But if city get banned from european competitions and Arsenal win Europa would citys place go to United?

Although would be undeserved but would never knock a chance back.

Never know could do a Denmark in Euro 1992 i think it was.

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14 May 2019 12:16:35
Hahahaha.

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14 May 2019 12:17:33
The spot would be more than deserved. City have cheated simple as that. They have gained an unfair advantage.

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14 May 2019 12:37:39
They have but they always knew the punishment was never going to fit the crime, 1 year ban from a competition for cheating to get yourself into a position to win it for years to come seems ok to me, unlikely they will even get the ban.

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14 May 2019 12:52:25
If that happens, the scousers will be demanding City hand over the Premier League Trophy!

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14 May 2019 12:54:31
Thats exactly the reason i don't like city, their owners and their fans.

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14 May 2019 15:18:26
Fans Singh?

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14 May 2019 17:43:34
Yupe their fans seem to think they are bigger then they are.

My friend supports them but he is in denial that he started supported them before th3 sheikhs came in but most of their fans start3d supported City when the new owners came in.

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14 May 2019 20:24:18
Apparently if city get banned will be season after next. That mean how much money uefa can drain from city before slap on the wrist and a let off?

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14 May 2019 11:45:32
The links to edinson cavani worry me, the guy needs 5 chances to score a goal and apart from pogba our players struggle to create 5 clear goalscoring chances in a league season.

What would you guys do for the striker position?

1.) Move Martial up there.
2.) Stick with Rashford
3.) Trust Greenwood
4.) Sign an experienced striker like cavani or icardi
5.) Sign a young striker like jovic or piatek.

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14 May 2019 12:26:20
Hes better then all the strikers we have and i wouldn't b3 against having Cavani. I think Psg were interested in Sanchez and i would give them Sanchez and have Cavani.

We simply can't go next year with Martial, Rashford and Lukaku as our main strikers.

We qill struggle to score goals like we have for the last 5 years.

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14 May 2019 12:33:59
First choice would be Jovic or Piatek which isn't happening.

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14 May 2019 14:30:03
If Martial is staying, then I would give him a run as our main striker, I know his attitude is questionable, but he is the best finisher at the club and has had very limited chances as striker since Ibra took his shirt. Rashford has had plenty of time as striker, but still looks like he has a lot to learn.

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14 May 2019 16:58:28
Mmmm let me think dsg.
Your stats are questionable. Cavani does not miss 4 for every chance he takes.
He is better than anyone on our books at the moment.
In a swap with sanchez it makes total sense but i would not pay a significant fee for cavani.
Martial i would sell but very hard to find a buyer as we want a big fee and nobody will pay one. You need to ask yourself why none of his managers and coaches have played him up front consistently. He has played under 3 here and 1 In Monaco. Maybe they are all wrong.
Rash has not been playing well that's for sure but displayed a good attitude and desire to work hard.
Lukaku looks unfit to me.

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14 May 2019 17:10:05
We don't create chances for our strikers to score goals that needs addressing first.


What's the use of a proven goalscorer when he will get fed scraps.

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Louis van Gaal

14 May 2019 11:28:27
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new manager profile about, Louis van Gaal

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Liverpool v Wolverhampton Wanderers - A Liverpool Perspective

14 May 2019 10:38:16
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Wolverhampton Wanderers - A Liverpool Perspective

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14 May 2019 09:23:43
Someone, I forget who, asked the other day who should be our captain next year and the consensus seemed to be Lindelof. That may be a good shout but I doubt he would get it and it may be too much on his shoulders and could negatively impact his development as a CB.

If we were to sign a player with the intention of them being our captain next season who would you like it to be? Who could provide that inspirational leadership that our team has lacked of late?

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14 May 2019 09:31:25
Alderweireld.

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14 May 2019 09:31:58
Difficult to say really. I would have gone all out for Godin. Absolute warrior in defence and a leader. We really missed a trick there not getting him.

I like my cbs as captain tbh. They can see the whole pitch and lead by example. Koulibaly would be a shout if we are willing to pay the astronomical fee, which we are not unfortunately. Another shout would be De Ligt but he seems to be off to Barcelona or city. So lindelof is a decent shout I think.

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14 May 2019 11:53:49
Park3lung, Godin? Are you serious? He's 33 now and how do you expect him to cope with the physical demands of the premier league. We really need to stop buying players who are at the end of their careers and concentrate on younger talented players in their mid 20's who are ready to step up.

For the moment, Lindelof seems the only viable option to be the captain (not sure how much of a influence he could have on our current crop though) .

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14 May 2019 13:15:33
De Ligt, Alderweireld or left field Noble.

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14 May 2019 15:51:48
Letsplay we are seriously lacking an experienced head in the heart of defence who can organise and set a standard. Godin would have been worth a punt even at 33 with us also signing a younger cb such as Milenkovic or De Ligt. Unfortunately we have no chance of De Ligt. I agree with others though on alderweireld. Think he would be a top signing.

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14 May 2019 18:25:01
De Ligt, he's already captain at Ajax and seems to have the right mentality. Easily the best young defender around and has a good head on his shoulders, but we won't get him.

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14 May 2019
New image uploaded to the
Manchester United Player Sightings page entitled, Ole of Thrones

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Review Of The Day 14th May 2019

14 May 2019 07:29:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 14th May 2019

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14 May 2019 09:03:44
Cheers Ed, great read as usual. have a good day!

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{Ed001's Note - thanks ne99il.}

14 May 2019 06:59:05
May I recommend reading a comment article today by Ian Herbert, I think it sums things up fairly well.

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14 May 2019 07:06:11
any link to it?

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14 May 2019 12:48:12
It's in the Daily Fail, Programmer.

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14 May 2019 13:33:52
Ole sacked

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14 May 2019 00:50:48
So the technical director won't be expected to deal with player transfers just work as sky put it the GLUE between the manager and the board.



Wtf is the point in hiring someone then.

I don't get It.

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14 May 2019 06:17:09
The technical director is going to have input in signings, its just not going to be largely his responsibility as it was say with monchi at roma. That was hardly a roaring success.

We have a large scouting network, matt judge who deals with the financial aspects of the deal, the manager at the time and woodward who i assume has oversight and has the final say on whether a deal goes ahead. They all need to be on the same page and the director will help facilitate this.

The club needs to avoid a situation where managers are solely picking players they fancy, that is how you end up in a situation with daley blind, fellaini and zlatan all in the same team playing 3 completely different styles of football.

We haven't exactly had troubles doing transfer deals, its just we have been so haphazard with it, we end up with one of the most unbalanced and poorly put together squads in europe.

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