Manchester United Banter Archive April 15 2018

15 Apr 2018 19:40:26
Jose Mourinho has to be shown the door now! i think Utd have as good a squad as any team in the the league and miles better than most certainly better than west Brom. But clearly Jose can't get them to play his criticism of players negative tactics and all round bad attitude is reaking the place out! I think even an average manager would fair better than Mourinho with our squad bit we should go all out for Pochettino.

15 Apr 2018 21:03:46
Pochettino

I like him plays nice football. However, when it matters his team loses. Is that what we want? Pochettino has much to prove, not least that his teams can win something, regularly . Careful what you wish for.

15 Apr 2018 21:40:15
I'm with u on poch redman, I like his teams style of play and he's unearthed some good players, but he's bought some real disasters aswell . But not all Jose doubters see it as Jose or pochetino .

15 Apr 2018 21:47:54
Red man wouldn't you agree that we have a better squad than spurs set up in an aggressive attacking style we would rollover any team. Jose has our players confused about what they are meant to be doing i mean why buy pogba for 100m and try change the way he plays for 100m you should be getting exactly what you are looking for not trying make a player change his game Mourinho.

16 Apr 2018 07:46:58
I think one more season with Mourinho. Needs to win the league or Champ league - if not move on, available options dependent of course.

16 Apr 2018 10:06:03
Fur coat no knickers! Woof! This site's getting racey! Pity the football is like a cupful of bromine! Whatever happened to sexy football?

16 Apr 2018 11:30:50
Liverpool supporter here with his view. Mourinho plays with 1 of the most negative type of defensive form of football I have seen in years. He have a team that in terms of players is one of the most capable teams in premier league history. His individual players match city in most regards but he won't let the players play football. I don't think a quick fix by buying a player or two will fit it. I am not a supporter of mourinho and his negative football, as much as a hate the man Ferguson had one of the best fluid types of football ever seen in the premier league. So I think a change of manager is needed not players. This is just my opinion and nothing else, not here to stir.

16 Apr 2018 23:03:03
Good post Deisered can’t argue with any of that. And I agree man for man attacking we have the players to rival city. Yet one manager is getting the most out of them and the other isn’t. Same and sterling and not hugely more talented than rashford and martial. If they were in city’s team they would be doing similar to what sane and sterling are. You can have all the best attacking players in the world but if you do not coach them tactically and work on attacking patterns then you won't produce the attacking prowess you want.

15 Apr 2018 19:01:50
Everytime i watched united this season the opponents half always seems crowded and we struggle to find space or create goals from open play. On the other hand the opponents seem to find a lot of room and time in our half even though we play defensive cautious football. Still amazed we might end the season 2nd with all our problems.

15 Apr 2018 21:08:58
Its very simple, we don't have real wingers. The players that get to play on both wings don't provide width at all. Alexis and Mata are always trying to cut inside, they never try to go all the way down and put the ball in the penalty box. We seriously lack urgency, new manager is needed but some people here are very happy with jose. This is what we going to get as long as he is our manager, its not going to get better. Football has moved on and the new generation of managers see it differently.

15 Apr 2018 18:24:03
Will pogba be at United next season?

15 Apr 2018 18:31:54
Should he be?

15 Apr 2018 18:37:55
His style of play is incompatible with Mourinho's. So he should probably move on for his own sake.

15 Apr 2018 18:40:52
I would not be too upset to see him go.

15 Apr 2018 18:41:54
Tell us the answer to that jred or even your opinion.

15 Apr 2018 18:54:01
I would have thought he will be jred will teams pay the money involved to buy him or want to shell out huge wages for him, he's more often a show pony than an effective cm .
I wouldn't just pick him out today he was poor but all the team bar the goalie were . How many of the team would people be truely gutted to see leave as they are irreplaceable bar ddg, maybe rash .
The team were listless it's ok saying it's deadwood from previous managers but jm bought 5 of them .
I have no clue our best formation or best team . We have gained some decent results against good sides but have have shown poor attitude in some of our lesser games on paper .

15 Apr 2018 19:06:15
Makes you wonder why the manager bought him?

15 Apr 2018 19:27:05
are you suggesting he should go Jred? It looks like you don't want him to stay.

15 Apr 2018 19:49:54
Would Pogba get into any of the other top sides? Liverpool maybe who play Henderson and Milner but beyond that, who? He has been bang average for most games, he flatters to deceive.

15 Apr 2018 21:56:44
Back to the lost soul pogba today.

15 Apr 2018 23:42:59
In a game like last 2 seasons. doesn't matter. I was so excited when he returned. but I wish we would move for Kante instead.

16 Apr 2018 05:30:28
If Pogba leaves because he's "incompatible", then you might as well add martial rashford sanchez mata Herrera shaw blind Darmian fellaini to the list as not many players seem happy playing for Mourinho.

16 Apr 2018 06:23:22
Sing
I want rid of pogba because I asked "Will pogba be at United next season"

I hope he is here playing well next season, but I'm not sure he is going to be . Doesn't look happy to me.

15 Apr 2018 18:10:31
Bad loss for us today but congrats to Citeh winning the PL. Hope to be challenging them next season.

15 Apr 2018 18:44:33
Yeah, Congratulations to City, over the season they have played some football that is simply beyond the collection of bottlers Utd employs. We have always derided other teams and have all at one time been guilty of putting another teams decent performance against us as being their "Cup final" well I'll tell you something, last weeks game against City was our players Cup final. They came into todays match with the type of arrogance they do not merit, this team is writing cheques it cannot cash.

15 Apr 2018 17:53:29
Needs to be changes. Get some of the kids in there, Chong and Gomes would maybe play with a bit of bloody urgency. That makes last week completely pointless, dreadful performance.

15 Apr 2018 18:09:49
I thought the lack of fight shown when playing Sevilla couldn't be repeated, how wrong was I? We are simply light years away from being a top side, there is no way on God's Earth that we will any of the top prizes with his bunch of idlers.

15 Apr 2018 18:11:43
Agreed caolan some of these overpaid idiots need to have their head wobbled. No desire, urgency or creativity. I’m sick of it. People would kill to have the opportunities they do and they serve up dross like that. Get the youngsters in who will show some passion.

15 Apr 2018 18:50:32
There’s some really talented kids at this club. Maybe it’s time to put some faith in them. For example gribbin couldn’t have been worse that mata, Chong couldn’t have been worse than Sanchez. I could go on, what’s the point in continuing with players who may not even have a future here? Eg Herrera, Smalling. I’m at the point where I’m so bored watching Valencia do the same thing each game, I wanna see joe Riley get a chance or heck, even 16 year old Ethan Laird.

15 Apr 2018 16:49:10
So I wrote a post at half time against City saying how bad we were, and then got called out by a few, we know who they are, after we came back to win.

Is this acceptable to those of you who think we're a top side? Those who think we're improving? I'm sorry, I said it then, I said it the weeks before that and I'll say it now, we are miles away from a good side. This first half has been utter dross, I say it every week. Slow, lethargic, gutless, toothless football. Lukaku is a poor footballer. Sure he'll score 25 a season, but needs plenty of handed to hit that. He has a touch like rooneys. He's not a top striker. Matic does a job but is so slow on the ball it's like watching paint dry. Pogba has all the potential but can't be arsed to speed his play up.

This football is garbage, and I'm sick of watching it. Some still believe we're on the up. I worry about those people.

15 Apr 2018 16:55:25
Why do you keep watching stand?

15 Apr 2018 16:56:06
You'll look silly saying that after our open top parade for the 2nd place trophy.

15 Apr 2018 17:09:49
Because I’m a life long fan Angel. I’ll always follow. But I don’t enjoy it anymore. Are you enjoying this?

15 Apr 2018 17:11:24
West Brom are relegated and we are playing along the same lines as themselves.
Not great viewing for any United fan, watching the way we play.
We should be miles ahead of these.

15 Apr 2018 17:51:07
As with 90% of our performances this season we’ve witnessed tripe again! It frustrates me that the occasional city / palace performances happen and paper over all the Sevilla / Newcastle / West Brom cracks! I really don’t have an issue with loosing or drawing a match and I don’t really care who it’s against, it’s the nature of the performance and the attitude that really gets me. Pathetic result!

15 Apr 2018 17:51:39
Totally agree stand. We are boring beyond belief.

15 Apr 2018 17:53:17
Our play has been dreadful. Hats off to city, we criticise teams for not having a go at them, but city are excellent at breaking down teams that sit in. We are dreadful at it.

The usual gripe of lack of movement and poor defending. The ref is not helping matters. A stone wall penalty and Nyom has committed enough fouls to get 2 red cards (cumulative yellows) . The only performance worse than the ref was ours. Oh well, roll on next season. As the song says “things can only get better”. At least we will hopefully finish 2nd. maybe.!

15 Apr 2018 18:04:20
It is possible for us to be improving AND miles away from a top side. We are definitely better than last year. Still not great though and not happy with the level of our performances. What’s difficult to understand about that?

15 Apr 2018 18:13:47
RWWD, how are we improving? What are you watching that I’m not? Hundreds of millions spent, manager has lost his mojo years ago, half the squad wouldn’t get in a top 6 side. Really is piss poor.

{Ed004's Note - If half the squad wouldn't get into another top 6 side the managers doing something right to get 2nd in the league.}

15 Apr 2018 18:23:08
I thought today was dreadful, everyone with Theo rack to goal, slow, lacking ideas, a very very depressing performance.

15 Apr 2018 18:25:07
How are we improving? Scored more goals, won more games, lost less, drawn less, conceded less, higher league finish.

15 Apr 2018 18:27:57
another 2 hours of my life I won't get back. Different week, same old dross. Mourinho is too stubborn to adapt his winning style from the 00s. Football has evolved, his ethos hasn't. Sports science has gone from strength to strength in 10 years. Players are fitter, teams are more tactically astute and teams are all more wealthy due to financial circumstances (TV deals etc) . This WBA team would never have been relegated with sub 25 points 10 years ago. What i'm saying is that its now a more even playing field now and I don't believe Mourinho is tactically astute to compete with the very best in today's football.

I have no idea what the ideal and realistic solution is. Just my two cents.

15 Apr 2018 18:40:13
RWWD, it’s not the same team as last season. He has Lukaku, Sanchez, Lindelof, Matic, didn’t have them last season.

Liverpool and city have improved too. It’s not just about improving, at what rate we improve. We can improve every season and get further away from the top if we don’t improve more than the better sides. Totally flawless.

Last season we won a European and domestic cup. So in that sense we’ve declined.

15 Apr 2018 18:51:32
You’re arguing against points I’ve never made now. We’ve measurably improved. That was my only point. Doesn’t mean I think we’re improved enough or that I’m happy.

15 Apr 2018 19:15:13
I know it’s not the same team as last year. We improved it.

15 Apr 2018 18:31:52
Ed4
Ever noticed how good players look in a team that playing well?

15 Apr 2018 18:45:36
Ed004, which of city, Liverpool, spurs, arsenal or Chelsea would fight for the signature of Shaw, Smalling, Blind, Fellaini, Darmian, Young, Valencia ( past it now ) , etc etc?

{Ed004's Note - Ok so if we take it from that perspective which of Pep, Klopp, Pochetino etc get 2nd place with those players having to play keys roles for their teams throughout the season? Not going to lie I'm not in mood to have another repetitive and boring argument again and I've work I need to get done. It's my own fault for commenting apologies.}

15 Apr 2018 19:40:51
RWWD,

But apart from that, what did the Romans ever do for us?

15 Apr 2018 22:10:23
Pep and Klopp would do much better with this squad, of that I have no doubts.

17 Apr 2018 05:19:56
Hehehe, GDS2 that really made me laugh. i need to watch that movie again :D.

15 Apr 2018 07:35:43
Hi Lads, first time poster here. Just learned of this forum from a dear friend (also a die hard united fan) who used to post on here.

First off its best people understand that my allegiance is with the United manager, not Jose but the United manager position and as long as he is here he gets my support. He has my respect for what he has achieved with us so far.

That said i wish to ask why people favor Poch for our role. For me he is one of the weakest managers to really take over one of the title contenders. There is a saying that goes- WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH, THE TOUGH GET GOING.

But for Spurs, when the going gets tough, spurs pack up their bags and take the train home.

I really don't get why people always have that romance with him. His team may be playing some good ball but still has scored less than us, will finish lower than us. We really need to think like MANCHESTER UNITED. the pedigree of this club is huge.

15 Apr 2018 07:52:19
Welcome UA and good point posted.
Precisely my point but I also acknowledge that supporters here who do not like Jose doesn’t mean they do not support the club. Everyone thinks differently since we all come from different background and culture.
That is why this is the best site in the world for me and managed by a team of great Eds. You get to know people and read their comments. Best still we are biggest club in the world 😉.

15 Apr 2018 08:48:30
Welcome to the mad house UA! Trust me once you start posting you will be hooked to this site 😂.

15 Apr 2018 10:17:00
Agree Park. Speaking from experience? 🤣🤣.

15 Apr 2018 10:42:15
I like Poch. His teams play good football and he seems to get the best out of them, 2 key requirements for me where Jose is currently falling short. However, he hasn’t won anything and until he does he will just be another manager with potential.

15 Apr 2018 10:52:37
Welcome mate 😁.

15 Apr 2018 11:24:25
Haha 666 Absolutely i'm addicted to this site 😂. The missus thinks I spend too much time on my phone and thinks I’m up to no good. When I told her about this site she thought i was really sad 😂. My first love will always be Manchester United I’m afraid.

AJH I agree I’m a fan of Poch and spurs on song are a joy to watch. But for the first time yesterday I questioned whether he has what it takes to make the step up. On paper spurs have a very strong first 11 with very few weaknesses. And with the way they press, I would have thought they would do what Liverpool did to city. But they were shocking yesterday, albeit city were very good. I thought Davidson Sanchez was shocking and losing Alderweireld will be a huge loss if he goes, which looks very likely.

Poch for me needs to win the FA Cup. So do this spurs team because they are becoming the nearly men too often. Only putting ‘pressure’ on isn’t really good enough. I would like Poch at united and I think he would be a great fit. But perhaps not at the moment. He has shown tactical naivety against the big sides far too often for me, especially away from home. But no doubt Poch has done a good job at spurs, but it’s time for them to win something otherwise they will start to lose key players.

15 Apr 2018 11:46:41
Just to add my two pence worth. I think the reason Spurs never quite seem to realise their potential is Daniel Levy. Everyone knows he's tight as a ducks backside with wages and transfers which is admirable in a way but second tier money will only create a second tier team which is why the best players will always want to move on and why they'll never reach the top.

15 Apr 2018 12:09:06
Great point TopBomin. Levy really is a very shrewd businessman and is running spurs very well. It is admirable but when a player can double his wages at a city or united, and still be a relatively low earner in comparison to the top earners at these clubs, then it’s no wonder players heads are being turned. Spurs’ players must look at the likes of Ashley young and think I’m better than them and yet they earn more than me. Whether we like it or not football is a business and in any industry if you can get an increase of salary at a competitor then 9/ 10 you would move. I read that levy earns more than Kane per year. Not sure if it is true and please correct me if I’m wrong eds. I suppose there is two ways at looking at it. One way is that levy runs the club and has done a very good job so deserves it. But the other is that the start striker, who the fans adore and idolise, deserves to be the highest paid person at the club. I do think if spurs don’t change their playment structure then we will see the big players leave.

15 Apr 2018 12:13:14
I hear you guys and appreciate the comments.

But what good is the fancy football if there is no output? Livepool play the same way and have actually reached the semis of a major tournament so there you can actually take cognizance. Spurs have bottled it far too often for my liking. In a way they are the South Africa of football, "the chokers".

Yes their wage structure is a bit stringent but all their top players are still intact. They have the best striker in the league, goal keeper is top notch. Dembele is awesone, Eriksen is second to only De Bruyne. We would take their wingers in the blink of an eye and to top it all these guys have now been together for 3-4 years now. So they are a settled squad and should now be delivering. Some if not all the blame has to be at the managers doorstep.

I think Poch will get the job at Real once Zidane goes and then he might win something because only two teams play.

15 Apr 2018 13:16:24
And then we poach Poch once he has a medal around his neck.

15 Apr 2018 15:22:25
Could Jose take United to the next level with the same budget and wages as spurs

Could poch take spurs to the next level with the same budget and wages as United.

15 Apr 2018 05:58:02
Just saying, but if we'd have played like Spurs did at home to City and rolled over and had our belly tickled, Jose would have been hung, drawn and quartered. Meanwhile Poch is the man a large majority want in charge. Spurs have always bottled it when it counts under his stewardship so far!

15 Apr 2018 06:33:11
Eric no matter what, a lot of people will not give credit to Jose 🤣🤣. Other club supporters is giving him 💩 and even some of our supporters are.
I’m not a super Jose supporter but he is afterall our manager so as I support ManUtd I will support the manager. If Jose is bad I’m sure the board will know when to look for an alternative.
For me I would be look at his ultimate performance next season before I judge him. We will have an indication mid season and then we can manager hunt if if is showing regression.

15 Apr 2018 08:51:05
Jose is the best in the world.

15 Apr 2018 15:06:38
I think the debate about low press and high press was surely answered? The simplicity of the first goal was just pathetic. For the Tottenham CBs to be squeezing so high up the pitch with the pace of Jesus and Sterling against them was just plane stupidity.

{Ed001's Note - it really depends on the situation. The problem was a lack of pressure on the ball, as their high press was non-existent. If you have pressure on the ball, then you push the centre backs up, if you haven't then they should drop off. That is nothing to do with high or low press, it is basic defending.}

15 Apr 2018 04:13:13
Just saw the replay of Spur-Citeh game.
How come Baldy not making noise about the penalty wrong given? It was outside the box! He is just a pure whiner and sore loser. He should be sent to the stand permanently. Also still wearing that yellow political thing and FA not taking action? He should wear yellow underwear so he still have his conviction and not get into trouble 🤣🤣.

15 Apr 2018 06:41:44
I think that’s a bit harsh. He is a top bloke and a fantastic Manager. As for the ribbon, I applaud his stance, he knows he will get into trouble but he is prepared to take the punishment to continue to highlight something he passionately believes in.

15 Apr 2018 07:14:55
Pup guardiola is indeed a great manager, and he loves that region of spain the EU refuses to acknowledge have a case for independence, and as for being a top bloke, not so sure, if your someone he needs in his team then yeah, he's your dad, brother and bezzy mate all rolled into one, but if he deems you surplus to requirements, your toast-yes, that's part of the business he operates in, but for example, i seem to remember his assistant manager at Barcelona taking over when pup left and went to america on his year out, the guy got throat cancer and from what was written and reported at the time good old pup didn't seem to care enough to bother to visit him in hospital, now if i got that wrong then i apologise, or maybe there were background issues that were kept private, hence no visits, but that's what i recall at the time, some players also commenting on how pup was noticable by his absence, maybe he's changed and is an all round good egg now, no doubt he's one of the best managers around, but how good would he be in charge of a team with a limited budget, he's never had that worry, jose, klopp and lvg have been at clubs where limited funds have been an issue and showed their class, i find it interesting how good old pup doesn't seem to want to test himself like this.

15 Apr 2018 07:46:05
AJH I did not say he is a lousy manager. I feel he is an okay manager who inherited a good team and had strong financial support. Financial support much like Hose but better team than what Jose inherited.
We have all always say to detach politics from sports but here you seem to imply it is ok to wear that ribbon when he is appearing as the club manager? That’s not consistent. I couldn’t care less what f he wear whilst not on official duties or if he wears during his off days. Hell he can even wear whilst showering or to sleep. But after the FA punished him he still wear, is he trying to challenge the authorities or is he just having nothing between his ears? If he passionately believes in that then he should go back to his country and start a movement with his monies. At least Mata is donating some of his salary fo what he believes in!
If he is a great manager or if Jose or Klopp thinks they are great, very simple: take the challenge or a mid table club and let’s see where they can bring them with the limited funds.
Having said I agree with Co82 above.
On another note I’ve always felt Moyes did a good job all those Everton years. His biggest mistake was to try to wear a shoe he can’t fit (not knowing his own capabilities) . He would have been one the best manager inEverton’s history but he chose the wrong move and got punished big time. Anyway done is done. Wish him the best.

15 Apr 2018 10:43:25
You didn’t say he was lousy, you called him baldy, a sore loser, and whiny. Show me a good loser in the Premier League.

15 Apr 2018 14:29:44
Eddie Howe does not behave like the famous and great Mr Pep Guardiola. He just accepts it and move on?

15 Apr 2018 15:12:23
Classof82

I think that is the longest sentence I have ever read, I was exhausted by the end of it!

16 Apr 2018 02:53:55
Had my 3 wetabix this morning, nothings impossible DodgyBanter!