15 Jul 2013 23:11:51
Last week David Moyes said Everyone at unit is working hard behind the scenes in the transfer market. Today United have made a statement of intent bidding for fabregas. Thiago looks good in you tube clips and has potential I can't argue, but fabregas is tried and tested quality in prem and champions league. Just sayin is it possible that Moyes has looked at our fixtures till Christmas and thought at this point in Manchester United career maintain the status quo, being prem champions. In the next two or three years he will naturally mould his own team, as The Boss was famous for. To go for Fabregas now to me means its a possibility. Fabregas said a couple of weeks ago he wanted to stay at barca but it was up to the club, the barca haven't come out and said he is not for sale. Fabregas's team and barca insiders must have give. Utd hope. Who wants there first player to decline. I think Baines, Garay and Fellini lined up but this is Moyes statement of intent. Just my thoughts
Ben the red
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15 Jul 2013 22:55:29
I don't know how likely it is for Barca to seel Cesc, since Xavi is not guetting any younger and Cesc apparently has no intention of leaving, but if they did I would very much doubt that he'd be willing to return to Arsenal.
Moving from Barca to Arsenal is a down step, and he would be back with his " tail between his leg ". Pride does have some say in it. And with Arsenal already having Wilshere and Cazorla in his positiom, I don't see them spending that much cash for a player they don't necessarly need but have to buy in order not to strengthen a rival.
And if he was to move, I think it would be to either one of the English giants or to Bayern Munich. But with Bayern beeing already overstoked in midfield and Guardiola already under some serious pressure from the fans ( who don't seem too happy with Thiago coming since it might limit the playing time of some of the german supertalents and upset the balance of the squad ), I don't see him moving to Bayern.
So he would have to choose between Chelsea, us and City. For some reason I don't see Fabregas as one to be after the biggest wage but wherever he goes, he would be considered a traitor. Weather it's Cole, Nasri or Van Persie, abuse from Arsenal fans is assured. I have the feeling that if he does decide to come to England, it would be to manchester united. In an interview in 2009 in a pre-match interview he praised Ronaldo and Rooney and admitted to beeing and admirer of our team.
speaking to the an extinct gutter rag newspaper ahead of the game, the Spaniard revealed the enormous amount of respect he has for the reigning European champions.
"I'm a massive Man United fan, " explained the 21-year-old.
"I have no problem saying United are one of the best clubs in the world - even though I want to beat them.
"They are the best side in the world at the moment - a top, top side and we respect them a lot. "
But that is all hypothethical. It is really unlikely Barcelona would be willing to lose him especially since Sergi Roberto still has some way to go before beeing ready, and who is to say Fabregas wouldn't swallow his pride and come back to the team that gave him his chance and made him great. But let's hope for the best
Mick
16 Jul 2013 07:29:56
Jesus H Christ,
Going from Barcelona to Arsenal is a step down, so what exactly is going from Barcelona to United.
You really are a clutz, you're team are no nearer being a European powerhouse than Arsenal are to winning the EPL and I thought you were one of the sensible posters on here.
You have the likes of Cleverley, Welbeck, Anderson, Nani, Rooney, Evra, Young, Valencia and other mediocrity filling your squad and are desperate beyond belief for anyone. Thiago must have been thinking, Utd, you are sh1tt1ng me!
You just skip from one vain hope to the next.
Your arrogance as a fan base knows absolutely no bounds, it really is no wonder people get on your backs.
Pretty sure arsenal ain't won anything in what 10 years or something? that alone makes arsenal a smaller club no name
I'm sorry no name, I was reading your post but I was distracted by these shiny objects (you know how people are with shiny objects). Have you seen these things before, they're called trophies. Like 'TROW-FEES'. If you head north to visit family or for business stop on by Old Trafford and check them out. United will win the league again and are one transfer away from contending for and two transfers away from being European champions again, while Arsenal will have another year of "celebrating" a top-4 spot. The funny thing is that Rooney, Evra, and Welbeck walk into your team and the others would easily compete with their competition on the wings. There's a reason big clubs aren't knocking down the doors for Walcott or Ox. Arsenal have Wilshire (on the rare occasion he's healthy he's great) and Santi who's good but not going to win you the league. Besides that, the backline is questionable, keeper is a mess, and your strikers, well, they just don't score goals. As a United fan, I'm confident that whatever problems we have this upcoming season, Arsenal will not be one of them. Chelsea and City and even Spurs will prove far more capable.
No name, shut up, United are the biggest club in England, they have a very good chance of winning trophies and they have a good chance of doing well in the Champions League and winning the Premier League. We are two CMs short of really challenging for the CL again.
Unnamed, I think i'm beeing more realistic than arrogant. We are not at the top of our game atm, but we have been the bestside in Europe just 5 years ago and weather you like it or not, we've won 5 premier league titles in the last 7 seasons. What has Arsenal won? Exactly.
Fact is we might not be as good as Real, Barcelona and munich atm. But I do think we're just as good as the likes of Juventus, Dortmund, PSG and the english big boys who we have just beaten to the title, despite having a lack of quality in midfield. Arsenal have a lot to do to catch up with us. Just look at the trophies won in the last 10 years. We've been as good as anyone in Europe and just because we need a couple of signings to reach the top, Fabregas knows he is one of those.
Mick
15 Jul 2013 22:38:53
Who would swap Wellbeck and cash for Benteke?
I would!
Pedroknight {Ed007's Note - How about just giving Villa Welbeck and a bag of training balls as an early Christmas present?}
Are you for real Bond?. DW was outstanding at times last season! Yes he needs to improve his finishing, but don't u remember how he contributed against Madrid in the CL!
Fred the red {Ed007's Note - So a striker that needs to improve his finishing was outstanding playing anywhere he could get a jersey and he contributed so much in a CL tie Utd lost. Anyone one here will tell you how I feel about Welbeck and Cleverley. I ask anyone backing him that if Welbeck was at a Stoke/Fulham would you be on here saying Utd should go out and buy him?}
All this fabregas is crap they will just say we tried and we will end up with hair do whick they have been planing all along we will become a slightly better version of everton coned again for season ticket sales a red united fan
16 Jul 2013 04:04:21
In a heartbeat
I think I get what your saying but boy it was hard work
15 Jul 2013 20:27:43
God some of the negativity on here recently is shocking! Anyone would think Moyes's first interview went as follows '' David we have decided to offer u the mufc job''
Moyes, ''great count on me, I have many ideas on how to take the team forward''.
The board ''No david ure first job is to bid for players we won't be able to sign''.
Moyes ''but the midfield needs improving''!
Board '' so pretend to bid for Thiago and Fabregas and when all the season tickets are sold we will bring Scholes out of retirement again''.
Then Moyes i'm guessing agreed totally and planed a business class flight to Bangkok.
Not the first time that has happened redman
15 Jul 2013 20:19:47
arsenal fan here in peace.
Just to clear up any confusion with the clauses when arsenal sold cesc to barca:
Barcelona agreed to give Arsenal a first refusal £25million first-option clause should they eventually decide to sell.
If Arsenal were to refuse that option, they would still be entitled to half of Fabregas's next transfer fee.
The key thing is, "should they decide to sell".
Just because utd have bid, it doesn't mean they will accept it. IF they do then the clause they have with arsenal will be activated.
If they did decide to sell and arsenal didn't bid or cesc decided to join utd and not arsenal- then bacra would want a lot more than 25mil!
Especially with the 50% sell on.
In fact, unless they received 50mil+ then they may as well sell to arsenal and get the full 25mil (as opposed to half of let's say 35-40mil, if that makes sense?).
But by all accounts its unlikely that either barca or cesc want to part company right now. Personally, I don't him going to either arsenal or barca.
Unless, that is, cesc is unhappy about neymar signing and playing time, etc. But still.
On a separate note, there is some speculation amongst a few gooners that that there might be some sort of deal where utd sell rooney to arsenal, if arsenal stay out of the way of utd signing cesc.
Anyone here heard that? But tbh it seems very far fetched.
With respect,
A gooner.
From what I've read, you get 50% of the fee over €30M. So you could look at it and say the incentive for Barca to get a much greater fee over €30M (circa £25M) is less than it would be without the clause.
Rudderpost
Really? What I've read is Arsenal would only get 50% of any profit (i. e. if Barca sell for more than they bought him). Which would mean it unlikely that Arsenal would benefit financially to any great extent, if at all. Perhaps they have 1st refusal but the player would have to consent to that. Obviously it's all speculation and only a select few know the ins and outs but that was my understanding.
The 50% sell on clause is the difference between the £25 million Arsenal would have to pay and the amount another team bid.
i. e. if another team buys Cesc for £40 million and Arsenal don't exercise the clause, then Arsenal will be entitled to 50% of £40m - £25 m = £15m / 2 = £7.5 million.
Hello mate, i'm afraid I think u may find u have misread or got your wires crossed here, U have a 50% sell on fee dependant on profit made.
For example u sold Fab for say £25m Now if Barca sell him to us for say £35m then u would be eligable to 50% of the profit which in this case would be £5m.
Now u do have first refusal on him if he is sold but at a 'set price' and Fab has to want to go if not Barca are free to sell him to united for whatever they desire and u will still get your 50% of PROFIT made from the sale
Thanks for the clarification but it doesn't make any sense for utd to submit a formal bid when I'm sure they also know these are the terms of agreement between arsenal and barca.
surely no one at utd would expect barca to do business at the £25 to £35 mill mark if they only get half the fee?
as for the Rooney theory, you might be right but I expect him to remain at OT. I think at the moment Moyes is just putting him back in his box
It would be a crazy series of transfers if Rooney was part of a sweetener to stay away from Cesc, but it makes a small amount of sense.
Rooney would not want to move abroad, he'll never learn another language!
Selling to Citeh or Chelski is a big no-no. Arsenal & Tottenham are the only other realistic options, but I'm sure Wayne would be very wary of joining a club that fails to make top 4.
I would expect him to insist on assurances they were investing heavily to ensure top 4, perhaps Rooney plus money for Bale would make more sense, But then Tottenham would really struggle to make top 4!
This 50% of any future transfer is rubbish.
I don't think Arsenal would pay Rooney his wages which are over 200k p/w and let me tell you he isn't worth that much
There is catagorically not a 50% sell on fee. what a load of dribble.
Forst refusal only counts if the player is happy, personally I would see him coming for a medal or two.
Q
Im begining to think that Arsenal will be entitlerd to 50% of any profit that Barca make on Fabregas rather than 50% of the overall transfer fee, that makes more sense.
But as you said, it's IF they decide to sell.
If he joined us, the pessimistic side of me thnks that we'd get 2-3 years then he'd be wanting to go back to Barca anyway when Iniesta and Xavi retire.
Sorry guys- I thought I was trying to clarify, but I was the one who misunderstood!
It seems you know anyway.
But this is the most definitive I've seen, by a Spanish gooner:
"Length: 5 years, 7m� per year.
Initial Fee: 35m� paid in two parts.6m� loyalty fee due to transfer waived by Cesc.
Add Ons: 6m� for 1 CL or 2 La Liga titles in 3 years, was later reported to be broken down per La Liga title.
Clauses: 30m� First Option, Right of First Refusal clause. This is the one most people don't get. FCB have to either get a bid in and accept and no matter that offer, say it is 40m�, we have a right of first refusal to buy him back for 30m�.
Or if FCB decide to sell, we have a right of first refusal for the 30m�.
We do NOT have an option where we can go in blindly, pony up 30m� and FCB HAVE to sell to us, this is where people are getting confused.
In the contract there is also a 50% Sell On clause, meaning, if there is a bid for him and we pass on buying him with our first option clause, we get 50% of the transfer fee.
Edit - We would get 50% of what is left over above the 25m£ base fee FCB paid for him. So if a 30m£ is accepted and we pass on re-signing him, we get 50% of 5m£.
The third scenario is that Cesc can convince FCB that he wants a move back to AFC and a mutual break of the above contract could lead to a transfer.
His release clause is unclear, there are reports it was 90m� and others reported that it was 200m�.
Interesting!
I still think that Madrid is the on who would be more keen to let Modric/Alonso/Khedira go. Modric would be a clear choice if available.
16 Jul 2013 13:07:28
Actually I don't know how accurate your information is. I have no inside knowledge whatsoever but from what I've heard (when Barcelona bought Fabregas ) Arsenal are supposed to get half of the profit should Fabregas be sold by Barcelona. That means if a team pays let's say 45 million on him, Barca would get 5 million and so would Arsenal.
Mick
15 Jul 2013 20:08:23
Interesting stuff coming out about Fabregas. I don't think much will cone of it. Personally I think it is the club trying to save face over Thiago by making it look like he wasn't a target. that's why Moyes made a point of saying he wasn't a target when asked about it.
But if we think logically the only reason Thiago was allowed to leave was because Fabregas was in his way to the first team.
Barca wanted to keep both Thiago and Fabregas as they see them as thr long term replacements to Xavi and Iniesta.
But they couldn't keep both happy so it ment one was likely to leave. That was always more than likely be Thiago.
But they chose to allow Thiago to leave. They could have sold Fabregas which would have reassured Thiago and maybe offer him a new deal into the bargin thus removing that clause.
But they chose to keep Fabregas over him.
So we know that Barca don't wanna sell Fabregas, and Fabregas has stated that he would only leave Barca if they didn't want him anymore.
So this whole deal looks a totall none starter
Shappy, maybe you are correct, but I would not be sure, Barcelona want to sign a new CB, and they preferably want Thiago Silve, who would cost more than £30m, and since they spent nearly £50m on Neymar, they need to sell one player for fairly big money to afford Thiago Silva. Since Xavi and Iniesta are still perfectly capable, they may see Cesc as expendable. The only other player they may sell would be Sanchez, who I think would also be a good option for United.
Apart from barca haven't flat out rejected it as of yet and the bid has been known about for about 12 hours and since then zilch from either party. I think its a long shote but it could happen
The sad thing is why would a club of manchester united's stature want to bid for a player just to hide its face due to not bidding for a player. shappy if what you said is how the club is running then its not good news for us fans. let's just see how we end up on 31st August
singh
We've had no official line from OT but if it turns out an offer went in this morning then I'd be surprised a club of Utd stature would be playing some sort of games.
Sure we have a bit more class than that as for Thiago it's simple Guidiolla has seen In early sessions with Bayern that he can accommodate him and who'd blame him ex manager and so on.
Listened to Sky Andrews on radio recently, could not believe the amount of people/agents involved in the big deals.
Dylan
Shappy, surely it all comes down to how much money is offered both to club and player?
the arsenal involvement is intriguing and there's a post further up the page from a gooner about that.
I just don't get why utd have made a formal bid unless they've had encouragement or they are prepared to make it worth it to barca with an offer they can't refuse.
its just my humble opinion but I think it would need about £35 mill for barca to give it serious consideration and that's assuming half doesn't go to arsenal as the gooner, s post above says.
I agree partly shappy, I don't think we're doing it entirely to save face, but perhaps because of the way we've missed out on transfers in the past, it's a possibility that its to distract teams from our real targets, ( haven't got a clue who they could be though) but I don't think our interest in fabregas will come to any fruition.
Jase
15 Jul 2013 20:03:37
United dropping to second in the Forbes rich list could well be a blessing in disguise!
It appears that now, all of a sudden we have big money to spend.
The Glazers will be aware that despite winning the EPL, we still managed to lose top spot, the fact we've lost SAF and gained the less desirable Moyes will ultimately turn some 'worldwide' fans elsewhere, and so be it.
The loss of SAF could mean United fall even further down the Forbes list.
This is why I now think the Money is being pumped into the club!
If somehow, through some miracle United managed to Sign Bale, Ronaldo, Baines and Fabregas this summer then our sales will pick up, sponsors will be even more keen to work with United.
essentially, it looks as if the Glazers are spending money in order to make money.
Just my point of view guys!
Not sure if this is wishful thinking by I want to believe this :) soundslike something the glazers would do?
Forgive my ignorance here but who is first on the rich list?
LUKE CHADWICKS LOVE CHILD
It's a definite possibility, I hate the phrase but "the brand" would only benefit from such signings.
Jase
16 Jul 2013 13:08:40
@ Luke
1- Real Madrid
2- Man Utd
3- Barcelona
4, 5, 6, 7. - American "Football" teams.
15 Jul 2013 19:53:36
Just wanted to put this 1 out there, about 2 months ago I said the chances of signing ronaldo where very slim but I told us to get excited about the chance of fabregas joining and I got slated for it. This deal is along way of, 30 million is the asking fee barca want. They want funds for thiago silva. Now let's just pay what they want to get this done because you can bet city will outbid us.
Marm
Marm, I agree, Barcelona spent nearly £50m on Neymar, and although they got £25m from the sales of Villa and Thiago, they need to sell one big name to afford Thiago Silva. Since Xavi and Iniesta are still world class, Fabregas is potentially expendable, although with Neymar, Sanchez may be expendable instead.
15 Jul 2013 19:51:33
What's happened to all the 'Strootman is a done deal' posts? Where are the people who were telling us Thiago was a certainty? Perhaps we didn't sign him because DM didn't want him. Rumours are simply that. I'm sure we have an interest on a host of players but that is not the same as bidding for them.
Now on to Fabregas. Clearly, we have made a bid so want him. He'd make a huge difference and hopefully DDG and RVP have been in his ear. However, not sure Barca will let him go hot on the heels of Thiago. But, he will also want 1st team football with the World Cup on the horizon and I don't think we would bid without having sounded him out somehow first.
As for the rumoured Arsenal fee deal, what complete tosh. No club would agree to give a club 50% of the fee - possibly 50% of any profit which is a completely different thing.
Anyway the Thiago madness ends and the Fabregas madness commences. Only 6 weeks to go. Aaaaaarrrrggghhhh. :-)
When we signed DDG, Smalling, Powell, Lindegaard, RvP, Kagawa, Henriquez, Buttner etc etc it was done in private. The Thiago discussions were all done in private. The open Baines & Cesc bids seem odd to me.
Sydney!
Ahhhh but wot about ruud syd? Or berba we work like everyone else one thing I would say us United rarely put a formal bid in for a player without some sort of encouragement from said player
Maybe we haven't put a bid in for fabregas syd no one from either club has confirmed it
johndenton
Sydney. Depends who the source was. Could be change in hierarchy at our club brings change of ways of working, but more likely someone on the edges of the deal or the fringes of the other club. But this one at least seems a real bid, as reported on BBC, Guardian etc rather than a web site or other less reliable rumour sites.
15 Jul 2013 20:03:37
United dropping to second in the Forbes rich list could well be a blessing in disguise!
It appears that now, all of a sudden we have big money to spend.
The Glazers will be aware that despite winning the EPL, we still managed to lose top spot, the fact we've lost SAF and gained the less desirable Moyes will ultimately turn some 'worldwide' fans elsewhere, and so be it.
The loss of SAF could mean United fall even further down the Forbes list.
This is why I now think the Money is being pumped into the club!
If somehow, through some miracle United managed to Sign Bale, Ronaldo, Baines and Fabregas this summer then our sales will pick up, sponsors will be even more keen to work with United.
essentially, it looks as if the Glazers are spending money in order to make money.
Just my point of view guys!
15 Jul 2013 19:27:49
Ok guys, just a few weeks of insanity left so its time to get your Fantasy Football teams in. I've had to set up a brand new league so anyone that wants to join the Football Rumours Super League 2013/14 needs to go to:
fantasy. premierleague. com
and enter the code below
15522-6942
It's completely free to enter as per usual so get your teams in.
TK-Red
Count me in mate.
Sydney!
GAGUS has a separate one on rumours page! We having one or multiple?
Tk red
i'm in. shouldn't we do something for the winner?
I'm in, again
Brendan81
Why not just have one? either yours or GAGUS'?
Woo hoo all joined up :)
Diame looks a great at just £5. 0m, and also same for Bassong at £5. 0m. Hoping to get a team with Bale, Navas, Baines and RvP.
Just joined
Sligo Red
Joined with bale and rvp in the same team :P
15 Jul 2013 19:18:45
Do people really believe a deal for Fabregas is likely?
With Cesc being an Arsenal fan favorite and Barca having just sold Thiago, why would they get rid of him?
Xavi and Iniesta aren't as young as they used to be and can't play every game for them.
This being said, I would be ecstatic is Utd were to sign Fabregas. Quality player and exactly what our midfield needs.
Ruudinthemood
Do u honestly believe we would submit a bid without indication from Fab/his agent that he would be interested in joining?. if Barca accepted an offer and he said 'no thank you because your United' it wouldn't look good on the club/new manager
Fred the red
15 Jul 2013 19:14:19
What about a swap between us and Barcelona Vidic and 15 million for Fabregas
Why do people want to move vidic on?
15 Jul 2013 19:02:22
It would be a travesty for Cesc to go back to Arsenal no matter what his feelings are for them, with Barca he has won things, he would win things with us but not with the gunners, he is a world cup and euro winner and I would love to get him. Fingers crossed.
1redarmy
I personally wouldn't rule arsenal out of the title race, if tjey dnt go for Fabregas u would have to think there's a reason behind it
Isn't that the whole point of arsenal now being in a stronger financial position now - So that they can build a winning team?
They've waited years for this moment to come. I don't think you can underestimate what a good situation they are in financially now (They are a few seasons away from having 70/80 mil to spend *every season* and without cumulating debt).
But, well in saying all that its whether stingy wenger actually spends it!
But if wenger does spend for once, I just wouldn't underestimate arsenal.
GN
15 Jul 2013 18:35:41
Come on Boarshawred! where is the negativity we love? I mean we have bid for a very good player, I can't believe you would pass up this chance to spread your love ;)
Lol Chris, read down a bit, there's plenty of others!
Lol i'm not holding my breath over fab there was rumours last year over taking fab on loan, and this year I posted on rumour site any deal we done with barca would mean vidic going other way, but great if it happens but doubt it
15 Jul 2013 18:32:50
Maybe just maybe we held of from completing the thiago signing as soon as we could because we knew we had a chance to land Fab?
15 Jul 2013 17:45:51
vip tickets booked for the stoke game (26th oct) for my 40th with the missus,,, whoooooohoooo
what pubs could I visit b4 the match?
Depends whether you want a nice boozer with not much atmosphere or a complete sh*t hole that will be rocking before the game. I know which my mrs would want, that's why she goes clothes shopping on a saturday instead :-)
Brendan81
Your taking ure mrs? I feel an argument at some point in the day :-)
CTR
Your taking ure mrs? I feel an argument at some point in the day :-)
CTR
Probly a pub near OT that's going to be full o fans, other half is a big utd fan as well plus we don't get down to often so wanna make it a good trip
Bishops Blaize is good for atmosphere mate
Coombesy!
Bishops Blaize or The Trafford then I'd say. Plenty of atmosphere in both.
Brendan81
Cheers guys
15 Jul 2013 17:32:05
So why didn't we bid 25 million for Thiago, potentially one of the best players in the world in two or three years time? And does anyone seriously think we will get Fabregas for 25 million? This is just another cynical ploy by the club to keep us all interested. Get rid of the Glazers and we will once again compete in world football: keep them and we will have a "good" but never great team.
John Manchester Red
Its just s*** paper talk.
No way barca will sell cesc and thiago in same window.
And it w8ll take 40m to take him away.
Rodio17
Exactly what I have been thinking. Glazers always bid for someone they know wouldn't be interested in coming or bid an amount to have it rejected. Keep the fans interested and sell season tickets.
John get a life mate! Moan moan moan! If we bid people moan if we don't bid people moan! Do you think we should start off with our highest possible bid? It's called negotiating! Have you ever known us put in fake bids for players before? And it may seem low but so are the figures being banded around for rooney! Just be happy we have a bid be positive and see how we get on but please don't complain that we have bid for a world class player.
Ddd
Because we need quality now, and right now fabregas is a better player
As soon as pep came in it was over.
rddu
Just get over the whole Thiago saga ffs. He wants to move to Bayern and not only join his former coach, but also the best team in Europe by quite a margin.
Mick
The problem with getting rid of the glazers is whoever buys the club for £2b or whatever is more than likely going to borrow against the club just like the glazers did. no abramovic or sheik mansour is going to pay the sort of price the glazers would want when they can buy a number of other good teams all over europe for a tenth of the price.
be careful what you wish
BABY FACED ASSASIN
Are you going to buy them out then?
Barcelona have confirmed that Manchester United did not enquire about the player. so how did they miss out?
The problem with getting rid of the glazers is whoever buys the club for £2b or whatever is more than likely going to borrow against the club just like the glazers did. no abramovic or sheik mansour is going to pay the sort of price the glazers would want when they can buy a number of other good teams all over europe for a tenth of the price.
be careful what you wish
BABY FACED ASSASIN
Barca need money to buy Thiago Silva or another centre back though so probably have to sell someone.
15 Jul 2013 16:49:07
I think we had more chances to get Fabregas 2 weeks ago than now. I don't see Barca loosing Thiago and Fabregas on the same transfer window unless they plan to get Gundogan.
15 Jul 2013 18:10:43
They don't need any more midfielders they some kids coming through. They need funds for a centre back.
I think we have been in talks for a week or so
Fabregas has always been a target
tried to get him on loan in jan transfer
window
Bfro
15 Jul 2013 16:10:25
Gan,
care to expand on who these two targets might be.?
JJ""
dear mr jj
there is transfer activity in the back room
there are many processes that have to be carried out in the legal and financial sectors before the loan or legalities of the contracts are trashed out
this is where ngiak hears his stories
the actual players names are beyond even ngiak
there is definitely two. or at least two transactions being carried out since 2 weeks ago
ngiak knows not who or why the delay
gan
15 Jul 2013 17:22:33
The Art of Transfers by D Moyes:
Make everyone think you're going for Alcantara then bid for Fabregas?
£25m bid reported on by the tv no less so it looks kosher.
Surely Fabregas would go back to Arsenal first though before we all get our hopes up too much!
He may choose United with the De Gea and RVP connection.
Not really much left or going on at Arsenal
Why would Fabregas go back to Arsenal, he wants trophies and he wants success, but also regular playing time, all of which he can definitely get at United but not at Arsenal. Him Carrick and Vidal and we would be set for the next few years.
Depends if their interested, can't see them blowing their whole budget on 1 player, as I don't believe in this mythical 70 million transfer fund they have.
16 Jul 2013 13:04:33
With RVP and Fabregas having the same agent surely the question would have been asked before we bid
15 Jul 2013 17:00:25
Thiago deal fully confirmed on Bayern website. Another one we've lost out on, stupid decision by him though if he wants more playing time
15 Jul 2013 17:00:21
So let me get this right. Barcelona spend years courting Cesc seeing his as the natural successor to either Xavi or Iniesta. Yet just as maybe his time is coming to step up for Barcelona we bid exactly the same amount as they paid for him and we expect them to sell him. Something is not quite right here. Maybe Barca think he is not all that or maybe we just want him so that Sir Alex can give him the dry cleaning bill. I have a few doubts about his attitude because at Arsenal he was just allowed to do as he wanted and no really play for the team. I know that Dave the Save has been bigging United up to the Spanish players so maybe he has said to Cesc this would do your world cup hopes no harm. Whatever way you look at it a million times better than Anderson or the Brand
Wow a negative followed by a positive, that's a first kloot ;-)
CTR
LoL but Anderson still "s***s on Fabregas"
TheInfamousNoName
Completely agree i'm not a fan of his at all. , he just doesn't seem to have the work ethic we are used to. Our lads may not be the world beaters we would like them to be but they give their all when they play and that wins us games. We do need a big name of pure quality and value is of importance to the club an I just fear we could go all out for a player who doesn't want to play for us in all honesty. There is time left but make no mistake the clock is ticking and we have a tendency to hagle too much which has cost us in the past. So for me 25-35 mill on cesc with the baggage or if we have that sort of cash someone who wants to play and loves playing for the club. At this point in time I would have fellani in asap baines and pick up someone else
CAIN
15 Jul 2013 19:00:50
Who is the brand?
Whistler. {Ed007's Note - Cleverley.}
I'll be surprised if barca sell thiago and cesc in the same window. Also, arsenal have first refusal on him at £25m, so why didn't we go in at £30m if we were really serious about it.
Here we go again, another four weeks then he either stays at barca or goes elsewhere.
Nomidfield
Cain, are you really saying you would prefer Fellaini to fabragas?
the mind boggles
15 Jul 2013 16:59:10
IF we sign Cesc. That Anderson song is going to need some rework ;-)
Ben
15 Jul 2013 16:19:28
I don't believe Arsenal are entitled to any of the Cesc transfer fee. I think they can buy him back for the same amount they sold him for if HE agrees, but I would be amazed if Arsenal are entitled to any of his transfer fee.
Sydney!""
dear mr Sydney
this is what ngiak has heard
cesc was bought by barca for about 30 million
if he is sold arsenal apparently will get?50% of the fee
so if we bid 25 million
and arsenal get 12.5 million
barca will make a loss of 17.5 million
do you think they rather sell to us or arsenal?
gan
Dear mr nigak I think u will find its a fee depending in profit of sale so if we bought him for 25 arsenal get nothing, if we buy him for 35 arsenal would get 5m
CTR
I thought that clause had expired ngiak
dave
unless of course it truly is ap pr stunt
I do not believe there is a 50% sell on clause. But thanks for the maths lesson Gan, not sure I needed it though ;)
Sydney!
Didn't Arsenal sell him for £34m? If that's the case then Arsenal will be lucky to get any money back on profits there. I think if he was sold it would be for less than £34m.
Sydney!
I heard they get 50% of anything over and above what Barca paid, which will amount to nothing or at least very little. That's just what I heard though.
Ok a quick post about wot I was told on Fabs contract, now this may not be correct but this is what I was told a while ago after he was sold.
I was always under the impression the transfer fee was quite a lowish figure in the £25-27m and when u consider at the time world record fees were being payed all over, its low.
Now I could be wrong, but one thing I am quite sure on is the sell on fee being reported is profit related, meaning he has to go for for than Arsenal sold him for in order for them to get anything.
Wenger does a lot wrong in the transfer market but this deal is one of his finest.
Now wot I was told, but I freely admit I could quite easily be wrong in certain areas.
So it goes,
A 50% sell on fee if he is sold for more than Arsenal sold him to Barca for.
Add-ons with league and cup wins, games played and goals scored etc.
A first refusal if the player is going to be sold I believe if he is sold he should be offered back to arsenal for a 'set amount'.
Im not 100% sure but I was told Fab himself is the only one that can activate that clause too, he has to Request he wants Arsenal.
Now ask yourselves who Barca would really rather sell too?
United or Arsenal?
If he goes to Arsenal then it will be in the £25-27m bracket, but, and its a massive but, If he was sold to us for £35m (which I think is a fair price and one he most likely to go for) Barca would get at least £30m after Arsenal get there 50%, that might not sound much in the grand scheme of things when figures of £30-35m is being thrown around so easily, but it could be 1-2 years money back spent on salary if u think about it.
If u could make either just your transfer fee back or the fee plus wages and maybe even a million left over that sounds a lot better.
I do feel this is a great joy to see unfold either way it goes as Barca seemingly have been out Barca'd in a contract sense, after some of the clauses they put in there ex players transfers when selling them.
I would love this to happen but this is gunna be so tricky to pull off unless we have prior knowledge from Fabregas's camp he is interested in the move.
Thanks
15 Jul 2013 16:16:28
Sly Sports just said that the £25 million bid for Fabregas is official and Barca are yet to respond to the deal and are having a think about it, but they say they expect the deal to be rejected and United to go back in with a £30 million bid what may be accepted but Arsenal have first buys on Fabregas for £35 million. Maybe what Moyes said about Rooney is that he could be sold to Arsenal for £25 million and Arsenal let us have there clause for Fabregas. Who knows only time will tell. {Ed029's Note - It was explained elsewhere by Ed02 that this "first buys" you speak of is really not what you think it is and it is best to ignore it altogether.}
I find all these clauses complicated. Same with the Thiago clause, it was very complicated to understand.
15 Jul 2013 16:08:25
Congrats to Ed002 who called it perfectly several weeks ago. Thiago likely moving to Bayern.
15 Jul 2013 15:55:50
very pleasant to wake up the news of a fabragas bid. quality player who I think would work nicely with carrick. not exactly a blood and guts pairing but I think there's enough mobility and steel between them to be effective, plus the obvious skill and creativity.
I don't think £25 mill is nearly enough to pull it off. perhaps closer to £35 mill will be needed before barca will really have a decision to make.
I can't imagine this one will be quick and easy so get ready for a bumpy ride on this forum.
I'm pleased with the ambition shown by targeting fabragas. IMO he's a different class to Fellini. I just hope the club backs up the move with enough cash to twist Barca's arm, persuade the player to move, as well as price arsenal out of the equation.
15 Jul 2013 17:23:23
I think its a test the water bid. Do barca say no not for sale at any price or do they no but come back with x amount. MrE
All players have a price their club will sell for. its just a question of whether the buying club is happy they are getting 'value'
in utds case, I'd say fabragas was value at a lot more than £25 mill 'cos the opportunity cost of not having someone of his quality in the middle of the park is huge.
15 Jul 2013 15:50:54
Afternoon Gents,
Well I must say I was never overly disappointed at missing out on Lucas, Hazard and some of the others but I am pretty gutted about the Thiago transfer, really thought we'd get him and believe he'd fit perfectly for us but such is life, we move on and we continue to challenge regardless of who pulls on the Manchester United shirt.
Now with the risk of being branded a Glazer Puppett or maybe a GDS Puppett I was thinking of where we go next. Anyone who saw the pre season friendly on Saturday or read the reports would of been impressed by Januzaj. Certain people will say he's not ready, he needs a loan move but ultimately if you're good enough then you're old enough. He plays in a position where he has got a bit of freedom and if he makes mistakes he's high up the pitch where it shouldn't cause us immediate problems.
We do need to strengthen though and if De Rossi is genuinely available, I would love Moyes to go out and really push for him.
A midfield 2 of De Rossi and Carrick would be really solid and RVP up top, well not many better in the business then him. This leaves a 3 behind RVP and in front of Carrick and De Rossi. I'd be genuinely excited if we went with:
Januzaj - Kagawa - Zaha.
I know people will say no experience but there is a lot behind them and RVP in front of them gives good mixture of experience and youth. I think Kagawa can eclipse Mata, Silva, Hazard next season if he plays behind RVP, and Januzaj and Zaha will offer enthusiasm and and energy.
Don't get me wrong, I hope we spend big and get some top, established players' but just a thought on how we could look if we only make 1 buy, not including the Uruguayan lad. Plus, we need to save some of the Glazer's money for them hey KLOOT ;)
I'd take de Rossi all day long. he's an italian roy keane. if utd could sign him and fabragas then I think we have finally sorted out the midfield problem.
those two with Carrick would be a match for any other midfield.
I think de Rossi and cesc with ronaldo will be a great summer.
Nomidfield
Totally agree de Rossi and fabregas in ouour midfield would be a match for anyone
Sparkyred
15 Jul 2013 15:50:33
Am I the only one not convinced wit cesc. fair enough he is proven in EPL but i'm not sure of him gracing our beloved OT in our beautiful red shirt. just doesn't seem right. if this is not a smokescreen this deal has been in the pipeline a while now. but Jesus we could spend that money better elsewhere. I say test dortmund and bang that 30 mil on marco reus who is simply amazing. for me cesc is an average player an if barca are considering our bid wel it shows what they think too
CAIN
Why not? Michael Owen did it and he was from down the East Lancs. RVP has done it and we welcomed him.
I am yet to see a quote from Fabregas where he has had a go at United, he was always a professional when he was at Arsenal and is the kind of player we would want surely?
"an average player"
Dear me Cain you really don't know your football if that's what you think about Cesc Fabregas.
Cesc Fabregas at is best is one of the top players in world football.
If Moyes pull this transfer off I for one would be delighted.
He is a class act, scores goals, great passer, can create and isn't afraid of getting his foot in where it hurts as he showed when he vertually ran Arsenal's midfiled on his own for 2-3 seasons.
Simmo
Mr cain average that is the funniest post I've seen for a lot time his just what we need at side of carrick. Cleverley is average mate.
Lol Fabregas average? That's a good one.
Cleverley is average, Welbeck is average, Young is average. Fabregas is, in every sense of the term, world class. One of the best creative midfielders in the world. His only problem is that he is playing for Barcelona, and has Xavi and Iniesta to compete with. And even though he is a La Masia product, his most important attributes are his long range passing and his ability to find a killer pass. That's what made him so fantastic at Arsenal and that's why he doesn't suit the tiki taka style o Barcelona.
Mick
Cain, cesc will be a fantastic player for us. Still disappointed at not getting thiago, but cesc will be great.
Nomidfield
Cain - complete nonsense. simmo - spot on
Simmo, you almost sound like the penguin, but I actually agree with you here, Fabregas would be perfect for United, and the only CM I would want more would be Vidal but he would play a slightly different role.
15 Jul 2013 15:43:52
Bond, or any other people that would know,
I see the ed on the gooners page is telling them to be happy we are seemingly trying to lure Fabregas away from barca, can u tell me why? I know we are closer than arsenal to get him as such but why should they be happy? Is it this 50% sell in fee they get from the sale? I was under the impression that was profit related. Or could it be an agreement we have about a possible player we would allow them to sign from us if they stayed out of the bidding?
Many thanks
CTR
15 Jul 2013 15:23:10
Some of the rumours coming out of OT is that although MU have confirmed a £25 million bid it could actually be that this is their valuation of Rooney and this is likely to be a swap deal. Sounds plausible though.
Stew4d
15 Jul 2013 15:18:41
Not what I think is happening but how much of a coincidence is this.
1. Rooney gets injured and comes back to England.
2. Wenger says Arsenal are trying for a spectacular signing.
3. Man United bid for Fabregas and Arsenal have a sell on fee percentage or first refusal I believe.
Could we see Arsenal waive the Fabregas fee or first refusal to get a deal for Rooney?
What about Barca? Gets money but loses 2 midfielders in 1 week?
Not too sure about Arsenal having any clause or whatever just went with what most say.
Yeah I agree said something similar in earlier post, think that would be good solution for all parties, providing of course fab wants to leave and Rooney wants to go to the gunners.
Welsh Red
Really not fussed if Rooney goes to Arsenal. Can you imagine how much of a distraction there will be from the bright lights of the big city. I know this sounds really cynical but I can see this as being driven by his missus, wanting to kick start her career in London after the kids are born, much easier when your hubby plays up the road. just a thought.
15 Jul 2013 15:13:41
We still need that aggresive ball winning
midfielder. Jones is good there but we still
need cover Fellaini fits the bill and can also
play am cm cam cf and cb
Needed a lot less if you don't give the ball away
15 Jul 2013 15:41:29
Interesting stat if you are bothered about stats. Carrick was always abused because he passed sideways so much, yet he completed more forward passes this year than any other player in Europe.
Yeah but 5 yard forward passes don't exactly count.
Everytime he went for the killer ball he failed
SPB
SPB,
You know we are talking about Michael Carrick don't you?
SPB congratulations for the most clueless post of the day. Were you watching last season
SPB, just look at United when Carrick hasn't played over the last two years and this will answer your question.
In case you didn't see these games we were piss poor.
A
SPB his passing forward was ace didn't you see rvp get on a lot of his long balls?
SPB
carrick is our best midfielder by far and some of the passes he picked were superb, statistics will tell you that.
So I'm not sure who you've been watching?!
Nomidfield
15 Jul 2013 15:40:25
So if repirts are to be believed we have bid 25m fir febr.
So we wasted 15 days running after thiago and now will waste 15 more after febrgas.
Who think barca will sell 2 of his midfielders in the same window except player wants to leave.?
Amd I don't kno it looks like at one time our poor negotiators work on one deal only. Because we don't see othet required positions are getting enough attention like left back and left footed winger.
Any way let's hope for the best and stay prepare for the worst.
Rodio17
15 Jul 2013 17:12:19
and you know this because you sit next to DM during transfer meetings!
Maybe if you stopped believing every press rumour and twitter tripe you wouldn't be taking in so much.
Stop slagging off the club because you are gullible!
Why don't you look back over the years at United's biggest transfers and see just how many you didn't know about until they were announced.
Hello timbo.
Havent heard about u at all till now. so kindllyplay with your own new kids group rather jumping old pannel. lolsss
Rodio17
15 Jul 2013 15:39:00
Has anyone seen Moyes' quotes on Rooney? Interesting!
Sydney!
Which comments Syd? The ones about him not letting Rooney be bigger than the club?
I said before that I believe United now have the upper hand in the Rooney saga unlike the last time and now Rooney and his advisors have got some big decisions to make. If he is determined to leave, he hands in a transfer request which I believe his party are not keen to do OR Rooney sorts his lifestyle, attitude out and we get the player we know he is capable of. But United are not going to make it easy for him now and if we get the latter which is what I would love, then he would have earned it and we need to support him. Not necessarily worship him like players before but if he is stepping out in the red shirt then we need to support him.
Oh sorry I forgot to add I like how Moyes said Rooney is needed if RVP gets injured, that surely is a knock out blow to someone who wants to be the number 1.
I think the whole write-up is pretty damning, but more importantly very true.
Sydney!
The quotes from Moyes have been totally taken out of context, if you take that one little part on its own then yes it sounds bad, but with the rest of it he was actually praising Rooney for his ability in different positions.
I agree with GDS. Totally taken out of context. But the papers are trying to stir things up.
Nomidfield
15 Jul 2013 15:31:51
the great successor DEVID MOYES has not won a single match away at old tafford, emirate, Stamford bridge and anfield, in previous 10 years as everton manager in premiership.
what a great successor.
even norvich, WBA. WIGAN have won 1s at lest this FACT shows his limitations.
no matter what or who backs him (ferguson and co) a guy insufficient to win even a single big match even by luck or wrong decisions is just so ordinary. and limited.
a manger who has not won a single tea pot in last 10 yrs for everton ( wigan won FA cup last season with a relegated team. so team and money can't be an excuse. ),
haven't beaten the top 4 team away from home in 45 attempts, and yet he's considered great mangers. wtf?
.
truth is that his links with ferguson and him being Scottish are the only two reason he's regarded as high.
i read here many times guys saying, he is picked by sir alex ferguson so he must have it, lol that's as stupid as his appointment, even though SAF is a living legend for us, does that promise moyes success. SAF is also human after all.
we r going for a sh*t ride just wait and watch
Haha worst post of the year so far?
Unbelievably negative post, How can you judge the man before he has even started. Yes your stats are correct about his away record at the so called top four but the quality of player at his disposal is vastly different now to what he had at Everton. With the possible exception of Pep there is not another manger I would have wanted to take over. Maybe you would have liked the Jose freakshow coming to town and turning us into a circus act. Me I prefer class and dignity and I also trust the judgement of Sir Alex. Moyes will succeed at United because he will have all the tools at his disposal to do so, he better than anyone will know that if he fails the consequences will be his dismissal, but he also knows that he will get time and support to achieve his vision for our future. You can always go over to the council house and watch them throw millions and millions at every Tom, Dick or Harry in their hopeless pursuit of one day matching our achievements.
Togthered.
Leave your name or do not post sh!t here. You sound like a scouser.
Bold but ill thought out statement but wheres ya name so I can hit u up when u r proven wrong. United99
15 Jul 2013 16:31:39
If you really believed this you'd have left your name.
DL10
15 Jul 2013 15:11:13
There are thousands of men playing football throughout the world in different leagues. I am not bothered whether a player we sign costs £1 or £40million. What I want is a player who improves the team and is committed to the team not his own self interest.
So if we don't sign a big name player but get someone who improves us then that's absolutely fine with me. When will people learn that money cannot guarantee an all conquering team. If that were so then City Chelsea RM and PSG to name the obvious candidates would be nailed on to dominate for years to come. But they wont. Yes they will be strong contenders but I honestly believe that there is enough talent in world football to go around.
I would be so delighted if our scouting network unearthed a few gems and we integrated them into our team over the next few years. If there is a realistic chance of signing someone truly exceptional like Bale or Ronnie then we should try but otherwise I will not be crying if we do not sign stellar names provided that we do improve.
hereford red
15 Jul 2013 19:50:26
Well said! This isn't a game of fifa afterall!
DanB
15 Jul 2013 15:10:09
Am I right in assuming that we would of approached Barcelona to speak to fabregas and then he'd of said he could be interested in a move to us before we log an official bid?
I think we would have approached his agent to see if he would be interested in a move to us, not Barcelona. Not sure what to make of the supposed bid.
Sydney!
I would say so good yeah, I doubt any club would bid blind, without speaking to the selling club and the agent of the player. It would just be a complete waste of everyone's time, including United.
Brendan81
Wouldn't of thought we'd want to get made look silly and be rejected twice in as many weeks. maybe cesc is interested
Ok cheers syd, what do you think our chances of signing him are? At first I was thinking none but I thought that with RVP. I understand we test the water first before a bid
I am hoping this is lazy journalists making things up
I can't believe that we would be so stupid as to publicly bid for a player that has said he is happy at Barcelona less than a month ago.
Jay T
15 Jul 2013 15:04:56
Not convinced we will get Cesc Fabeagas as much as I would like to see him signed. Fingers crossed though.
Sydney!
I do not think we will get him but it is still nice to dream and good to see we are seriously looking at the midfield. I still think Gudongan is a viable target too.
15 Jul 2013 14:42:17
I Wonder if the cesc story has any leggs? would it not open a bidding war between Arsenal (who I believe have first refusal) and ourselves? maybe the thiago story was a smokescreen? or maybe this is a double smokescreen and same thing happens ie we do not get any midfielders in. time will tell. in moyes we trust
Graham GooGoo El-Beardo
sunny Manchester
15 Jul 2013 14:32:47
kagawa to carrick on to rooney played into fabregas who lays it off to bale into the path of Ronaldo who squares it to van persie to smash home oooh we can dream
Wake up and smell the coffee kidddd
Haha my favourite post of the year :):)
I would love it to be -
Carrick plays it to Fabregas, he flicks it on to Kagawa who plays it wide to Reus, he beats 2 men and finds Ronaldo at the back post who puts it on a plate for Van Persie, United have beaten City in the CL Final :-)
Now that's a dream!
Brendan81
Come on Brendan81. Could you make your dream more unrealistic? City in a CL final. no way! :) {Ed007's Note - Must have ate cheese before bed for that one!}
Could it be any better though Steffen? All those players in a United shirt and beating City in the final.
I don't even like cheese, just have a wild imagination :-)
Brendan81
15 Jul 2013 14:19:05
Fabregas would be a dream signing. Was a star at arsenal and Barcelona didn't really give him the chance he needed. Therefore 25 million seems reasonable for a player of his calibre, I think this would suit all parties. Van Persie may also give in few good words! This should shut up the negative nonames for little while.
15 Jul 2013 14:16:52
I believe the Fabregas story is simply a well thought out diffuser whilst we get actual targets finalised. After publicly losing out to Thiago within the last 24hrs, and before unrest from fans kicks-in, a 'phantom target/bid' is needed to fill the expectancy until the actual targets are finalised and unveiled.
WF Red Devil
This would put an awful lot of pressure on the club to then unveil someone at least as good as the smokescreen.
15 Jul 2013 14:11:47
How could anyone prefer thiago to cesc for me it's a no brainier if we just got cesc I'd be ecstatic what a player to solve our midfield problems! He's won the lot! for me a quality quality player. He would just give us so much imagine a team with a fully fit rooney rvp and cesc in it!
Ddd
Completely agree.
Simmo
Cesc would no doubt be a bigger coup than Thiago, but Thiago will become the better player. I cannot see Rooney and Cesc in the same team. I think Cesc may well play in the hole behind RvP even though he would sit very nicely in front of the back four.
Sydney!
Because Thiagone has the potential to be a better player and is already not far behind Fabregas. Ask any Barca fan who they would rather have kept
Invisible Stuey
Fabregas is a far superior player to Thiago at the minute without a shadow of a doubt but there is a big age gap.
No, fabregas is better, but not by all that much really.
Honestly, they are pretty even in attacking play, Fabregas is better defensively, especially reading the game and mking interceptions, and is a more rounded footballer.
The age is the bigger difference than ability really. Thiago will take a few years to get where fabregas is, but is a lot younger.
15 Jul 2013 14:10:59
Ive been reading with some dismay the almost posts slating Utd for not miving quicker for Thiago etc and I think it needs some perspective. At 22 lad has made just 48 league starts in his career. He has never played for anyone but Barcelona and Barcelona B. He has three senior international caps. I am not saying he will not be a great pleayer but he is unproven in the EPL which is a whole a very different leeague to La Liga. The 'we never sign anybody' and other conspiracy writes need to hold thier horses until the wondow closes.
IrishRed
Every sign from abroad is a gamble. Ronaldo was a gamble, so was Nani, Ando, Vidic, Evra, RVN Rafael. This is the way it works, you'll never know if it was worth until you try. We let a future World Class player go, IF being unproven at EPL was the major factor.
This "unproven in EPL" thing is getting old. Don't you see the league is not as physical as it used to be? Clubs are buying more technical and skillful players. And if you have talent, you can flourish anywhere, just look at the likes of Mata, Carzola, Hazard, David Silva, Modric, they weren't proven either, but what all of them and thiago have in common is that they CAN play, they have flair, skill, technical ability and have vision. What we need is that kind of player, a player who has creativity and play as an attacking midfielder or wide. I reckon Thiago will be a success at Bayern, and I hope we get someone of that kind because we seriously lack creativity.
For more perspective, Kurt Zouma and Benjamin Mendy had played more games at the age of just 18 than Thiago had started league games. However, Thiago is a very good player and I really wanted United to sign him.
Thiago scored a cracking goal against our defence a few years back.
Pav's dog
15 Jul 2013 14:07:04
I honestly don't see Barca letting go of Fabregas aswell as Thiago. 2 midfielders who have each played more then 25 games for the club last season?
Xavi is 33 and over the next few seasons he won't be playing as much games as he used to (not saying he won't be a prominent figure within the team, Just that he will obliviously be playing less due to his age), so why when their will be a changing of the guard would they let go of another brilliant player? They wont. It doesn't make sense unless they have the potential to better their midfield which I don't see letting Fabregas go as improving. Indeed I would love him in our team but I can't see Barca letting him go.
James!
15 Jul 2013 14:05:38
Bid for Cesc launched clearly want him, maybe Thiago really wasn't an option for us. Still think Arsenals buy back clause could be a problem.
How about Arsenal waive they're clause for Cesc and get to sign Rooney?
Of course Cesc needs to want to come and Barca accept I think nearer £30m would be any fee for United tho.
Welsh Red
15 Jul 2013 14:00:28
There might be some substance in the story of cesc to man utd.
It is reported on bbc, but I highly doubt he'd want to move as now there is more game time for him at barcelona since thiago left.
Singh
There would even more game time for him at United. Also Fabregas often play as one of the front 3, so he may get less games now they have Neymar, also Sanchez will get less games now they have Neymar so he might leave as well. Probably a case of one of Fabregas and Sanchez will leave, especially since Barca need money for a new centre back.
15 Jul 2013 13:57:14
Apparently a website and many news outlets are saying united made a 25million bid for fabregas. So 2 questions for u guys? Do u think he would only come back to the epl for arsenal? And I know we have a new manager but howcome all of a sudden. Our bids are made public?
shot stopper
15 Jul 2013 13:56:06
As an liverpool fan, I believe united will put a big bid in for bale, really think that bale will be at united next season
Welcome mate, I would love us to bid for Bale I think he is just the right mix of player we would look at however, Levy is a notorious nightmare to deal with and the figures being quoted are ludicrous a marquee signing of around £50mil I could see us going for £70/£80MIL never! as far as your club goes do you think you will keep Suarez?
15 Jul 2013 13:45:42
Please God let us sign Cesc Fabregas!
15 Jul 2013 13:47:24
Sorry but I am finding it very hard to believe that we would go straight in with a £35m bid for Cesc. There is no way I see this happening! But I did say the same about Van Persie but I shan't be getting my hopes up!
The price quoted is 30 million euros, which is about 25 million pounds, not £35m
tbir.
15 Jul 2013 13:45:37
So according to the tv sport website we have bid £25 million not the 35 most sites were reporting. Well I do not think it will be accepted as I think they will want closer to the 35 mark. Also would Fabregas want to move here? Will Arsenal scupper the deal and try and sign him and where would you play?
It seems to have more substance the Thiago story, also Barca have confirmed they are considering the bid, according to our friends at the BEEB that is. We will see what happens, also the Arsenal fans have said they have a 50% sell on fee if Barca sell, not sure how true that is. I just wonder if they call that off and we give them first option on Rooney if we could see a merry go round.
KavDarko
Great first offer in my eyes, they want 35, we bid 25, compromise at 30 then it is just up to the player.
I don't believe Arsenal are entitled to any of the Cesc transfer fee. I think they can buy him back for the same amount they sold him for if HE agrees, but I would be amazed if Arsenal are entitled to any of his transfer fee.
Sydney!
I just hope we don't waste 15-20 days trying.
15 Jul 2013 13:33:46
Ed/any1 in your opinion would united launch a bid for Fabregas without any indication from the player that he would be willing to move?
CTR
RVP and Fabregas share the same agent
A good word from Robin and Dave the Save may just persuade Fabregas that United is the place to be. Fabregas would be perfect next to Carrick behind Rooney, Kagawa and RvP.
15 jul 2013 13:01:47
aint posted on here for a while as i've always been told, never argue with persons as some people might not be able to tell the difference.
if only this site was open in the 95-96 summer eh?
ince, kanchelskis, hughes all gone?!! waaahaaaaahhhaaaaa
we need to sign klinsman, batistuta, davids, maldini!!
who the hell is this beckham kid?!
my point being that i constantly hear the terms motd fever and fifa fan but that's what the majority of people on here are turning in to.
we missed thiago, hazard and neymar were not going to sign ronaldo or bale
waaaahaaaaaa!!
get a grip on reality! we will be signing quality players this summer, maybe they might not be on the cover of the next fifa game but who cares!
evra, vidic, johnsen, solskjaer, hernandez, beckham, neville, scholes, schmichael, irwin, bruce.
we don't need to wait til the end of the window to judge how good a side we have its at the end of the season and as far as i can remember we are the epl champions with the side we already have.
be patient
in moyes we trust
rant over x
Dear mr jessop
ngiak salutes you
a very good post indeed
gan
15 Jul 2013 13:19:14
This �40m bid for fabregas will be accepted because barcelona want to make there money back from the neymar signing, the 40m for fabregas and the 20m from thiago makes roughly what they got neymar for!
Doesn't make any sense. They need him now more than before with Thiago gone. I don't see it happen.
Fabregas often played as part of the front 3, so Barcelona may sell Fabregas or Sanchez to allow space in the team for Neymar. However, Villa, Thiago and Fabregas/Sanchez would be a lot of good players to lose in one window, but Barca claim this window will see big change so I an see this happening as they need to fund a move for centre back.
I don't know Thiago was seen more as a squad player and one for the future. Where as Cesc was bought to hit the ground running and it does not seem to have come off for the lad. I also think that maybe Barca have plans of their own as far as transfers go. They may well be trying to raise capitol for their own moves all I know is if they don't want him I would be more than happy with him coming here:)
15 Jul 2013 13:05:50
Why are United wasting their time trying to buy Cesc Fabregas! He's a quality player but he's an offensive midfielder, a position we do not need strengthening!
We have Kagawa who is more then capable of being as good a player but will be blocked by Fabregas.
For god sake strengthen CM/DM not AM, or the wings!
Lamela, Vidal, Modric - these guys make sence spending big money on, Fab NO!
J J
Fab is a totally different type of player to kags.
CTR
Fabregas is a sensational player and anyone who says he isn't is clearly a thiago fan boy. He can play in centre mid with Carrick or behind RVP without any problems. Personally I would like to see a 4231 but with central attackers then the option for wide players on the bench so like at Chelsea with Mata, Hazard and Oscar. a 3 rotating behind RVP of Rooney, Fabregas and Kagawa could be great and could be even better with Rooney going and a stellar signing bought in to replace him.
Lamela is an attacking mid/winger.
MPez
Lamela plays similar positions to Kagawa. Fabregas plays as a CM, whereas Kagawa would play as a CAM or LM. Also Modric and Fabregas are very similar players and play similar psotions so your point is invalid. Fabregas, Vidal and a winger would be the perfect summer.
I have not got involved with the Fabregas chat purely down to the fact I did not believe he was a serious target due to a plethora of reasons. Now that we have made our want public I would be thrilled with this deal! let's be honest given a wishlist he would surely be right up there.
15 Jul 2013 13:05:49
Thiago is gone so now the next saga is a 30mil euro bid has been put in for Fabregas (Can't see him moving)
We will be in for snjeider next :)
johndenton
15 Jul 2013 12:49:46
Sorry, I don't believe Cesc is a realistic b signing until I see something official. However, if it did happen that would be even more shocking than RVP.
15 Jul 2013 12:44:48
Sky reporting that we've bid 35m for fabregas, although i'd like to see it I think Its just a ploy to keep fans happy. are barca realistically going to sell him with thiago leaving and xavi another year older. oh well hears hoping.
Jayboi
Getting bored with the 'ploy to keep fans happy' rubbish to be honest. Look on the United website, nothing about Fabregas, nothing about Thiago, nothing from the club about either.
The press make these stories up, if United were trying to impress the fans they would be coming out saying what they were going to do.
So give over.
Anyway, what are everyone's thoughts on Fabregas if we did get him? Haven't seen him on too many wishlists on here, maybe because people felt he was unavailable rather than that he would fit perfectly into our midfield?
Yes the club directors are bored thought they'd just create a little bit of work to keep the natives sweet.
Dylan
GDS you have hit the nail on the head with your last part of your post. Nobody thought he was available or gettable. I would like him in a 3 behind RVP but could see him sitting with Carrick as the box 2 box player. What do you think of him and where would you play him?
15 Jul 2013 13:51:50
I said when thiago was first linked I would prefer fabregas so hopefully. MrE
GDS
Fabregas has always been on my wishlist!
George,
I would probably prefer him as the box to box next to Carrick to be honest with Kagawa further forward behind van Persie. I think them 3 linking up going forward could be too clever for most defenders and with the pace of our wingers either side we could cause a lot of problems.
I am a little skeptical about it at the moment like most people, it just seems a bit too good to be true, but here's hoping.
I still think we will get Baines as well. If we get Fabregas and Baines that is two players who have been the best in their position in the Premier League. Can't really be questioning the ambition of the club if these deals happen.
15 Jul 2013 12:39:35
Suppose we will be signing fabregas for 3 weeks now then, why would barca sell after just letting thiago go, sly sports lazy reports again? Or genuine?
Welsh Red
15 Jul 2013 12:35:34
Who is actually surprised that Thiago joined Bayern?
I'm not!
He had (If rumours are to be believed) a straight up choice of us and them IF he decided to move so let's disect his options.
Utd= Just lost the massive influence in SAF, solid but uninspiring new man in charge (of whom Thiago will know sweet FA about), join a team widely seen to be lacking investment in key areas including his own, allot of uncertainty with its current star players, pressure of being the teams savior as the current CM are a mish mash of talent.
Bayern= Rejoin his old manager (who publically praised him), join a team very much on the whole the best team about both on paper and with the trophies to prove it, being an addition to an already great midfield where he can learn from superstars and play alongside a compatriot in CM, nowhere near the same pressure as he is adding to a top quality midfield.
Both are the same finacially, contract wise etc so which would you choose as a non Utd or Bayern fan?
The one positive I hope to see in this is that Bayern payed 25m euros, now why? was it the tax or did we throw a higher bid in and got either outbid or matched? as that would at least signal intent from our camp that they indeed are willing to spend more than it takes to get a wanted player and that does fill me with some confidence.
An interesting gauge on that theory will be the Baines price if we get him. They will stick to 18m and we have bid what, 12? so if we slowly up it this will take stupid time and effort when if Moyes is sure he wants him he should say 18m? Done!
Does it really matter if WE don't think Baines is worth 18m of if we had outbid Bayern for Thiago for 30m etc? If it solves our clear as day problem areas and shows intent to others we mean business then Woodward and Moyes should sanction what is needed to get these targets not just what they think they are worth!
And btw 18m for not having Evra and getting Baines instead imo is a no brainer! ;)
Most people don't like change, they hold on to what they know.
In this case Thiago knows Pep. easy choice to make.
Also, for some players the coach can be an influential factor. Pep or Moyes? Again, easy choice
15 Jul 2013 12:20:49
Moyes ready to bid £35 million for cesc fabregas bit pricey for him in my opinion but would certainly improve our midfield. fingers crossed we will get this target and not miss out on another player.
M. U. F. C Salford
I really hope this is paper rubbish. It just makes the people doing our transfers look completely stupid.
15 Jul 2013 12:19:56
Considering the fact Bayern have got the best midfield in europe, and the fact that they have just bought 2 world class talents for the role, I think they are likely to have to pet go 2 or 3 players. My guess would be Luis Gustavo, Xerdan Shaqiri and hopefully Toni Kroos. I know selling Toni Kroos would make little sense for them but it looks as though Guardiola is not his biggest fan, moving Ribery to the number 10 position and having just bought Gotze and Thiago.
Kroos imo would be the best possible replacement for Wayne Rooney bar Fabregas. He can play anywhere between centralmidfield and second striker. Technically speaking he is probably the most gifted youngster in the game and would make a good long term paul scholes replacement.
As for Luis Gustavo, I rate him quite highly and I think he is just as good if not better than Ramires but he was never going to face a winning battle grabing a permanent spot infront of Schweini and 40 million man Garcia. He would be a brilliant partner to carrick and his energy levels would complement Carrick's laid back and calm style.
As for Shaqiri, I wasn't his biggest fan since his Bayern days and wasn't overly impressed by him but he is a significant improvement over any of our wingers, can play on both sides and thriugh the middle. I would rather have Draxler and Reus ( of course Bale and Ronaldo ) but he seems like the likeliest choice.
Mick
Personally I think Gustavo will leave since Schweiny and Martinez are both world class players and first names on the team sheet. I am not sure about Kroos, because he can play as a CM or as a CAM, same as Thiago, and I think Gotze and Muller will play as a CF or false 9. Also Muller will often play on the right, rotating with Robben, and Shaqiri will rotate with Ribery. I think Gustavo would improve our team a lot, we would be more solid defensively and have more freedom offensively. However, I think Vidal would improve the team far more and would be a larger statement of intent. Kroos would also improve us creatively but I think he will stay and Fabregas or Modric would be just as good.
15 Jul 2013 12:18:28
According to a website United have made enquiries about Fabregas.
Let the next novel begun!
I certainly hope with that grammar you are not writing the novel Nick86
Don't worry I won't, Ape!
15 Jul 2013 12:11:18
Been wondering where Syd has been lately? Anyway I was wondering if you know any news about potential targets as you seem a little more reliable than these newspapers.
Cheers.
15 Jul 2013 11:41:54
Surely we could try and sign gustavo now that they have signed thiago?
James
15 Jul 2013 11:39:31
Why aren't we looking at erickson, at 12-15m surley a good buy, could player LAM, CAM, or CM if needed, very talented would love to see him at united personally.
Very sad to have missed out on Thiago, hope it wasn't down to money as MU may not have valued him at £22m, but I certainly do. Perhaps Cesc, Modric or Eriksen now? I hope we do not go for Felllaini as he is about as creative as Westlife. Carrick and Fellaini may be a difficult midfield to breakdown, but our attack will suffer due to their lac of creativity.
Sydney!
Syd, I almost agree, but Fellaini would allow Carrick more freedom and would allow Rafa and Baines/Evra more freedom too, so we would have plenty of attacking potency. However, Vidal would be best option for that role and would improve us both defensively and creatively.
F**k Fellaini off get Cabaye and Vidal for 55m recoup Ando fee and we are good to go.
Easy peasy ;)
Syd I've never seen westlife play football are they any good :)
johndenton
Ha ha ha. Cabaye is a very average player, why the hell do you think he's playing at that comical club in the North East.
I would take Fellaini any day over Cabaye.
Simmo
Jono, Vidal would be perfect for us both defensively and creatively, but Cabaye would want to play the same position as Carrick as a CM and would not be any better and he certainly would not be good enough as the CAM behind RvP. For that reason I would rather we tried to sign Fabregas because he would link the team together perfectly and would score and create plenty of goals.
15 Jul 2013 11:38:05
OK so we lost Thiago, it's not a massive thing as we lost out on other players before and we're still here. Anyway, I've got to thinking about our team next year and think that with 4 signings playing a 4-3-3 we could challenge on all fronts.
Baines
So much more solid than Evra and will help to stop us leaking goals down the left. His deliveries as well are excellent and he gets forward well. I can't see a better option right now.
Gustavo/Koke/Schniederlin
An enforcer to sit with Carrick and add some much needed physical presence to our midfield. All these guys are decent technically also and would free Carrick up to be our Xavi-type player controlling the tempo.
Modric/Marchisio/Eriksen/Kroos/Torres
A player to play in front of the other two in a freer role, able to float around linking the play together, whilst also chipping in with a few goals and assists.
Ronaldo/Reus/Lamela/Di Maria/Sanchez
A wide forward of real quality, and a chance for Mr Woodward to open his purse strings. Any of these would provide a direct threat, with pace and skill, and hopefully score plenty of goals.
I think any combination of those would take us up to the next level, particularly the first name for each (my preferences). What do you guys reckon and any other options?
Thank you For your thoughts Mr Moyes!
Forgot Verratti and Lars Bender as options for the deeper role.
Phred
Good post Phred, I think the club may look at Vidal for the CDM role, as he would improve us both defensively and creatively and would allow Carrick more freedom as well the added bonus of selling plenty of shirts in Chile. Another thing I would prefer Reus for the winger role, so much potential and already near world class, he would score plenty of goals and would be a massive threat to any team. Lastly I would love Fabregas for the CAM role, since he would provide loads of goals and assists and takes good set pieces.
15 Jul 2013 11:15:03
Every year we have tons of rumours and tons or targets that we all come on here and chat about.
for example, last year, we had Hazard, Kagawa and Moura as targets to play CAM.
this year however, I can't see ANYONE beyond Fellaini, Baines and an outside bet of Strootman.
This is 100% not the case, but I feel as if the club don't really know who to target at the moment.
I will be happy to see Baines and Fellaini come in though.
To the people calling Fellaini a thug? - are we the same supporters who had Cantona kicking a fan like a 'thug', had Keane spitting at people and causing havoc like a 'thug'.
Stop being so narrow minded! The guy had a few dirty tricks in his locker, name me a player that doesn't?
I would Welcome Fellaini at United.
So, back to my original point.
Who do you REALISTICALLY think United will go for this summer?
I wouldn't mind fellaini, Baines, a young CM and one of Ronaldo, Reus or Bale
Moon,
Good point about the abuse Fellaini is getting, I do agree. However I still don't exactly want him at OT next season. We have Carrick to sit in that deeper role (which Fellaini himself has said is his best position). We need a CM with a spark of creativity and an eye for a pass to distribute the ball to the wings (which I think will be improved in the coming weeks). We need more of a playmaker IMO!
Modric or Marchisio would be quality at OT. Modric especially as he can play in a midfield 2 or part of an attacking 3. To be honest, I unfortunately don't see wither happening. Marchisio is a Juventus man through and through and with Modric only being at RM for one season, I can't see them selling.
Personally, I think we will see Baines come in. perhaps as the second signing. I still think Strootman is on the cards and I think the issue is between Strootman and PSV, not us and Strootman/PSV. One winger will be brought in. Lamella is my number one choice but realistically i'd say it's between Di Maria and Gaitan. I'd like to see Gaitan if the price wasn't too astronomical, good on either flank and in a more central position and has more physicality to his game than Di Maria.
The hopeful part of me thinks we will make one big signing this summer. perhaps towards the end of the window. I would love this to be either Ozil or Reus as I do think Bale and Ronaldo are staying put at their respective clubs.
And just as a final point. all this bashing that's going on about how we're doomed and not active enough in the market and letting targets go etc. We have absolutely no idea what is going on behind closed doors, Moyes has said we have targets and that things are going well so have faith in that. We're 15 days into the window so relax a little! Missing Thiago is very unfortunate, but if he didn't want to play here that's fair enough. i'm sure us and Bayern weren't the only clubs interested and we certainly aren't the only fans to be disappointed!
And best regards to the eds, hope to have you all back soon for some banter!;)
I think Fellaini would be a good option, since he would allow Carrick more freedom. However he would offer much offensively himself other than as an aerial threat. Therefore I think Vidal would be the best option since he would improve the team both defensively and creatively and would still allow Carrick more freedom. Other than Vidal I think Lars or Sven Bender or Luis Gustavo would be good option since they would make us far more solid defensively. I think Baines would be option and would be an improvement on Evra, so that would be a good move and a realistic one. For the CAM, I would have prefered Thiago since he has more potential than Cesc, but other than that I think Cesc, Modric, Gundogan, Eriksen or Kroos would be very good options, since they would all dramatically improve us creatively.
15 Jul 2013 11:00:08
Since Jose Mourinho keeps babbling on about how much he likes Wayne Rooney then what about a straight swap deal. Juan Mata for Wayne Rooney.
Any thoughts?
Simmo
Take it every day of every week.
Brendan81
I don't think Chelsea would accept this swap, but would be a great piece of business for us.
Lol keep dreaming
15 Jul 2013 11:00:04
Man Utd are sending Nick Powell out on loan to a local Championship club - Huddersfield manager Mark Robins is a Manchester United old boy and is keen to aid Powells developement at the John Smiths stadium. This is seen as the perfect development club for him gaining valuable regular first team experience before becoming a first team squad player in 2014 at Old Trafford
15 Jul 2013 10:58:24
I have a friend living in Brisbane and his Aunt Agatha who lives in Sydney overheard Woodward talking to Moyes on the phone and saying:
'David, when we asked you to submit a list of transfer targets we expected a better standard of player than those from Wigan and QPR. I think we should keep you away from all contract negotiations, the criteria is not about asking a player how many times he can keep the ball up.
Remember you're not at Everton anymore'.
Yeh and that's likely to have happened
15 Jul 2013 10:49:47
Just got back from my holidays in Ibiza.
I was checking this site and every other football website daily whilst away for any new signings and still nothing happening.
Listening to David Moyes at his press conference he sounded very confident that the players we are looking at we were going to get.
He mentioned that proceedings are going along nicely and we (United) are confortable with where they are at.
My worry is who are the players?
I will be bitterly dissapointed if we go out and waste 17-20 million euros on a central defender.
This baffles me when we have 5 central defenders already, Jones, Smalling, Vidic, Ferdinad and Evans.
The other worry is that we pay over the odds (15-20 million pounds for Baines) Yes Baines is a superb player but 15-20 million pounds for him is well over priced. We should be paying no more that 10-12 million for him. If we do pay the 15-20 million pounds how much more of the budget will this blow when it's crystal claear that the bulk of the money should be spent on two central midfielders.
I was never convinced that Thiago was going to join. Some people who blog/post on this site should really get a grip. Moaning about how we lost Thiago.
Has anyone even stopped and considered that maybe United matched the buy out clause but it was Thiago's choice that he preferred Bayern Munich, after all who wouldn't?
He will be teaming up with his former boss who has probably guaranteed him playing time and he is joining the best team in Europe who are only going to get better due to the class players they have purchased in this summer's transfer window.
We have to face facts, United and miles behind the elite clubs in Europe, Real, Barca, Munich and Dortmund on the pitch.
It also seems that we do not have the pulling power we once did to attract the best in Europe.
I must admit I like Moyes and I am prepared to back him but what worries me is the calibre of player he will bring in?
My personal opinion is that he will bring in Baines and Fellaini which is an improvement but aagainst Barca, Real, Munich and Dortmund still leaves us streets behind.
I think we will be there or there abouts in the Premier League but my worry is City, and Chelsea have already improved there squads and are already stronger for next season and they probably haven't finished spending yet.
Anyway, good to be back reading all the your thoughts and comments again.
Simmo
The CB dilemma I appear to be the only one thinking our CBs are always injured Rio can't manage 2 games a week, Vidic Evans and Smalling are always carrying knocks at best
Guillerme Balague thinks Utd pulled out of the Thiago deal because Moyes wasn't sure he would be upto the Prem
Simmo
If we don't get bad refereeing in Champs league then we have proved where a match for anybody.
Dortmund should never have got to the final beat Malaga with dodgy decisions don't get many people mentioning Malagas bad luck.
It's a fine Line
Dylan
Rio played 26 premiership games last season which is over half the season.
Even if Rio can only manage 20 games we have 4 central defenders in reserve. Does it really warrant wasting 20 million pounds on another central defender? It's crazy!
I really don't know who he will go for now. My head tells me it's going to be Fellaini and Baines.
It's an improvement but it isn't good enough if we want to be challenging for the Champions League.
I can't and won't believe a word about the Fabregas rumours. There is no way Barca will sell another midfielder after already loosing Thiago to Bayern.
Simmo
Dylan
You make your own luck in Football.
We are nowhere near a match for the elite clubs in Europe, we are miles behind, any fool can see that.
Simmo
Dylan we got battered in midfield by the prem giants of fulham and southampton last season
johndenton
15 Jul 2013 10:09:07
Hi guys, now that Thiago has joined Munich who does everyone see as genuine creative MF targets?I see it as there are not that many world class options out there. I would be reasonably pleased if we got Modric (at the right price) also as far as the wide players go that Draxler kid looks frightening
I am a big fan of Draxler! However, signing a wide player is likely to limit Januzaj's playing time unless we sell a winger.
The reason you think there are not many world class creative midfielders out there is because you are (like most people) always looking through the same window.
There are many players in unfancied clubs or leagues who are excellent in their position.
example. never heard of any of the BASLE players before but they tore Spuds apart in the Europa League (home and away).
Try looking out of a different window
15 Jul 2013 11:39:13
Isn't it obvious? The only marquee midfielder we'll ever get is Fellaini and Moyes wants to overpay £30m on him, so much for world class talent
Doesn't Fellaini have a buyout clause of ~£23.5m?
Fellaini has a clause of 23m I believe and ofc all the problems that entails
Cheers noname perhaps you could give me a few of those names of the BASEL players.
15 Jul 2013 09:57:36
Reports that Rooney has been told he's only vital when RVP is injured and that his future will be looked at in 12 months time. We've also said that we are not worried about him running his contract down. Sounds like we are playing hardball, perhaps to push him into formally requesting a move.
I knew this would be on here, the papers spin a quote from moyes and people believe every word.
The exact quote went along the lines of
'Wayne can play in a variety of positions, just behind the front man and also as the front man. This means I will need him to play just behind van Persie and if van Persie gets injured he will be integral as he can play in his position'
Newspaper quote 'Rooney will play if van Persie gets injured'.
The press are an absolute joke, so put this one to bed immediately.
15 Jul 2013 09:56:08
Do people genuinely believe we won't sign quality midfielders this window? Everyone slating Moyes should reserve judgment until after the widnow. The one thing he will be able to do is look at our squad with impartiality! He will hold no sentiment to any player regardless of who they are. He's also not stupid enough to come out so early & say there is money to spend & we are light in midfield, then have to climb down and say there was no value at end of the window, this would massively dent his image. Moyes knows united fans are unsettled & he knows signing the correct players will get the arm chair, keyboard & other thickle supporters on side.
I 110% believe we will spend big this summer & also believe there is something big in the pipelines.
Patience truly is a virtue.
Patience is a virtue indeed, but the genuine midfield talent have mostly moved to their new clubs. There aren't many top midfielders who are available.
People are going on about modric, gundogan and fabregas, but non of these are for sale as far as we know.
Personally, I think all the signs are pointing to fellaini. I'm not saying he's a top player, but I wouldn't be surprised if Moyes goes in for him. And that will be a step back in my opinion.
Nomidfield
I'll get some stick for this but it's my opinion so it's neither right nor wrong.
I believe Fellaini would be a success with us. He's much better than people on here give him credit for. As for him being a thug, he didn't purposely break anyones leg or jump foot first into the oppositions crowd. I'm not saying he's a savior but would definitely give us the bite & nasty streak we have been missing.
15 Jul 2013 09:49:09
ROONEY SITUATION - my thoughts
I think Rooney is being ostracised by the club for something he hasn't done, i. e. Submit a transfer request as per SAF's statement before he left.
Rooney now has a decision to make, does he want to stay or does he feel the need for change. I think the club are trying to force him to show his hand.
There comes a time in most players/peoples careers to face new challenges and have a fresh start.
If he needs a change then he will have to submit a transfer request, which is what I believe the club are trying to force.
If this happens then it should be time to part ways.
You may be right to a degree, but he still thinks he should be playing despite his poor form, he also had to be sent to a fitness camp mid season due o the fact he was so out of shape.
He held the club to ransom due to lack of ambition, now he's upset he has too much competition.
None of the would be an issue if he was performing and fit.
He did hold the club to ransome, entirely agree, but have you never asked your employer for a pay rise knowing you are very good (if not the best) at your job.
At the time the club were in a mess, the only world class player was Rooney and had he not been offered a pay rise he may have left.
This would not have been well received by the NY stock exchange, potential transfer targets, etc. Man U would have looked like a club in decline, not capable of holding on to its star players. Both Rooney and the club were aware of this.
I don't blame Rooney for asking for a pay rise, I blame the club for allowing itself to be in this position.
I also believe it compromised SAF to some degree and this (in my opinion) is why SAF 'fabricated' the transfer story. to get back at Rooney
He needs to HTFU or put a transfer request in
15 Jul 2013 09:49:07
We will definitely make 1 marquee signing this summer especially because of our new manager, if we don't some fans could turn on him before the season starts. don't be surprised If it isint one of these 3 players, Ronsldo, Bale or Modric.
Absolutely no chance of ronnie or bale and about 5% chance of modric.
Modric isn't marquee, not when you mention Ronaldo and Bale in the same sentence
No name,
There clearly is not 'no chance' of Ronnie or bale and you don't know anything you said for sure, just being negative for the sake of it.
I think it's unlikely we will get either of the big 2, but there clearly is a chance, especially of ronaldo, he loves united and has yet to commit to Madrid. His quotes are also mysteriously similar to when he left united, he is deliberately being vague in interviews, so to say there is no chance is just petty.
GDS no name is going to be some bitter scouser let's wait and see who we get
This story was put out as a ploy to sell season tickets and deflect the loss of face of not signing Thiago.
This is 'no name'! there's more chance of rvp going to spurs than bale to united, I don't believe your that stupid to actually think either bale or ronnie would be at ot nxt this season?
15 Jul 2013 09:41:57
Said weeks ago that thiago would not be signing and everyone slated me. thanks for that, much appreciated.
I'm not believing all the hype on jovetic either, we are looking much closer to home. The targets i've been told are now Bale, Felaini, baines, Garay and a young winger.
Pablo
Forget Bale, he's staying put for this season
Any one can guess Pablo.
And without Bale, Madrid will not be selling Ronaldo
I for one did not slate you or will not slate anyone, as it is your view.
And I happen to agree with you completely. I said three weeks ago, thiago will not come to united.
Nomidfield
15 Jul 2013 09:27:27
I watched quite a few U21's games last year and as everyone is aware Januzaj was the stand out player for the season. Having seen the first pre season game also, I would seriously think of playing him next season in quite a few games, he is going to be one hell of a player and giving him proper experience, but not over playing him, now will help him hugely.
I, personally, would like to see him on the left of a front three behind RVP. I think a three of Januzaj, Kagawa, Zaha behind RVP could be amazing. Probably not against the City's or Chelsea's of this world, yet, but against the Liverpool's and Fulham's most definitely. That 3 could develop into something truly special. Could he be the reason we may have gone cold on Thiago if that was the case? Is Moyes thinking he could do the same job? Possibly, i'd love it if he could step up over the next 2 years and show the world exactly what he is capable of.
My ideal scenario would be that in 2 years, the three I mentioned above, have gelled and blossomed into the world class trio they could definitely be, and that they could play behind a certain 30 year old Portuguese superstar, who has returned to the club on a free transfer, to play as the main striker, due to the slight loss of pace that will probably affect him by then.
I know a lot won't agree and they will want a proven £30m signing now, but i, personally, would happily give up the chance of winning the league etc this season to give Januzaj, Kagawa and Zaha the game time and experience needed to gel and become great. It might not be good short term but long term we would benefit hugely. I still think if we got a strong CM to add to Carrick and Jones, along with Garay and Baines to add options to the defence, if we played the front 4 as suggested we would be challenging even next season. We would then sell Rooney and get another attacking option so we could rotate the three or another striker, as I don't think he would sit on the bench.
Brendan81
I was thinking the same thing Brendan, Januzaj looks a hell of a player I personally think the he and Zaha will have a massive role to play next year and I for one will be a whole lot more satisfied with a player who came through our youth setup making a difference than a big money signing.
15 Jul 2013 11:15:45
Pinning hopes on another youngster because no one wants to come to you and giving up a title you know you're not going to win anyway, how gracious of you. Creetun.
This page is the best place for a laugh by a mile lately, loved your post about getting the shirt aged 4, I was welling up! Lol.
No name, no one cares Fella. If you are coming on to try and wind anyone up, don't bother. At least let us I know what poor excuse for a team you support so we can all have a laugh.
Brendan81
I watched a lot of januzaj last season and saturdays game, he is a very talented youngster who should have a big future, but I don't see him getting a lot of game time next season. he will get the carling cup games and come off the bench occasionally but not that often. I don't see zaha as an automatic starter either until he irons out a bit of his rawness, I can see him coming off the bench quite a few times, unless there's injuries I saw yesterday youngs picked up another injury so you never know we might have to throw him in at the deep end. if fit I would like to see nick powell get more game time this season as well
johndenton
15 Jul 2013 08:49:32
If money is available for Moyes to spend this Summer, and looking at 'realistic' transfers, I'd now like to see two (maybe three at a push?) of the following;
Erik Lamela
Oliver Torres
Toni Kroos
Adam Mayer
Marco Verretti
Luca Modric
I think the above could be tempted to join, and I think their current clubs could be persuaded to sell at a reasonable price.
I know that people might argue 'why would Kroos want to leave Bayern?'. I would argue for the same reason Thiago left Barca. Kroos will find playing time restricted at Bayern and with a world cup coming up, he'll want to do everything possible to ensure a place in the Germany squad.
WF Red Devil
Didnt maher join psv?
DJ.
Eric Torres and Modric
I doubt the possibility of Kroos, he's the next gem for BM and I can't seem the allowing him to leave.
Modric, Erick Torres and Verrati, at least 2 of them would be interesting.
DJ, you're right. Sorry - didn't realise he'd joined PSV this month.
WF Red Devil
Luis gustavo, verrati, bender, Modric
Sid
15 Jul 2013 08:16:16
So here's my rant, I can already predict who's going to comment and what they are going to say, but I don't really care, and here it goes.
I am part of an unhappy group right now amongst United supporters. We are thrilled with this past season's league title and are grateful to all of the players and staff who helped achieve it for the fans. That being said, United are the biggest club in the world, and that means being strong contenders both for domestic and european competitions. Domestically is going to be much tougher as our rivals had down seasons and both Chelsea and City have already improved their teams. In Europe, we are already a step behind the elite like bayern or even an in form barcelona, which means that we need to improve more than they do in order to have a chance at the CL which isn't absurd for Untied supporters to want to compete for. So let's look. Bayern have added Goetze and Thiago, the best young players from the two best nations currently, Germany and Spain. Barca add the next world superstar in Neymar. What I'm saying is that now, even if we pull in good or even very good players, there's no way we improve this summer as much as those teams did, and considering we were playing catch up anyways, that's not a good sign. Elite players are rare, even rarer in the positions we need them in, and Thiago was one of the best options. I cringe at the thought of another dm next to carrick, as we have struggled mightily in matches when SAF played two holding mids which left our offense toothless. There just aren't any great options I can see, Cesc being an impossible get, and while this team could easily win the PL, I don't see us matching up with the elite in europe if we just buy a couple of 15mil squad players. We need elite starters who can push players like Ashley Young, Tom Cleverley, etc into back-up roles that they are perfect for. But when that big night in europe arrives, only 11 names are on the sheet, and if we expect a team with Valencia, Young and Cleverley to match up with who bayern/barca can put on the pitch, we're dreaming. Should be a fantastic year in the PL with a close competition and some exciting new players, I just wish a couple of them were playing for United. And Woodward's got balls for making the 60-70mil claim when we all know its never going to happen. City's backup CM cost more than our club record!
A lot of the bickering on this site has been based on a misunderstanding. Much of the criticism I see is based on higher expectations, including winning the league and legitimately contending for the CL. We aren't at that level and many of us feel frustrated at failures by the club this summer, and in recent years, to spend the money needed to obtain this level. So please stop jumping all over people who are expressing disagreement with how things are being handled in certain situations bc from any clear look at the current landscape, the cars in front of us are pulling further away and the cars behind us are catching up.
I'm not saying its a failed transfer window bc obv its still very early in the summer, but I point out that the players who are of a quality and a position that we require are rare, many tied to clubs and few available for transfer. That's why the Thiago deal hurts, is bc there is no equal replacement that we can actually buy. There are combative CMs, but as I mentioned, we play terribly with two cms who can't join the attack. Here's hoping for a summer surprise or two (Ronaldo/Bale/Cesc/Santa Claus)
I agree with most of what you've said. I don't think we're ready to be a CL contenders with our current squad. We have A LOT to do, to be able to compete equally against Bayern, Barca, Real, even Borussia right now. You take off RVP and we're just an average team.
We need to add real quality on what we have right now ( DDG, Jones, Rafael, Kagawa, Adnan Januzaj, Zaha plus Carrick, RVP we would be a great team in 2 yrs. ) But roght now I believe we can fight for the PL but not CL.
Oh stop whining, transfer window as only been open two weeks and because we haven't spent big on somebody some of you are worrying for nothing.
KG,
Well worded and sensible post, not moaning and putting your thoughts down explaining what a lot of fans are feeling. No name above saying you are whining, I don't really think you are, I am sure you will be happy if in 2 or 3 weeks time we have made the quality signing you desire.
The posts I have an issue with are the ones that just moan we have lost Thiago or said player and that means we won't even make the top 4 next season, its absolutely ludicrous. We had the same last season, I just think the worry is there now because we have no Fergie.
I have a small problem that I read a few things saying Moyes out and that we will never get anywhere because of the result of a meaningless friendly on Saturday. This for me pointed to a sign of things to come, if we struggle in the first 5 games (which are very tricky by the way and 10 points would be a fantastic start) then I can see people getting on Moyes back straight away.
I think a lot of people are panicking unnecessarily. If I am honest I have the exact same worries as KG, I am just willing to give the club the full transfer window and see where we are at 1st September before I start to worry or complain.
Your post is absolutely spot on. To lose out on Thiago is a disgrace and probably because Bayern are paying 21.5 million for him ie around six million more than his release clause but what were we doing-trying to get him for 15 million to "save" money. This situation will go on and on until we get rid of those leeches who own our club only to make money for themselves and take out of our club huge amounts of money each year to finance their own family and their own failed busineses in America.
Barca bought neymar, real bought isco and ilharmendi, bayern bought goetze and thiago, spurs bought paulinho and their midfield was already better than ours, Chelsea got van ginkel and going for de rossi, city already had an excellent midfield and added fernandinho.
So I think we have a right to be a bit worried, as the top talent is being snapped up very quickly.
When shall we start worrying? A week before the start of the season? And should we not be buying players now to integrate them within the team?
In addition, what's the point of Woodward coming out and saying we've got unlimited funds? The selling clubs would only add a few million on their asking prices. Why doesn't he put his money where his mouth is and go and buy some top players, not that many are left that are available, that on its own creates a problem as the fewer players left on the market, the more the other clubs will pay for them out of desperation.
Nomidfield
Have any of you stopped to think that maybe Thiago wanted to join Pep at Bayern?
Maybe United matched the buy out clause but the player wanted to go to Munich.
There really isn't much you can do if the player himself doesn't want to join you is there?
Simmo
15 Jul 2013 07:51:41
He is gone! The boy is gone! Another player, another star, another rumour put to bed. Can we have a new rumour to chase guys? United won't sign anyone. We can't even finalise our very own Wayne Rooney's future on time!
So, If United don't return with a new bid, Leighton Baines will sign a new contract at Everton on 1 August according to Everton FC and Fellaini's buy out clause will be up from £23.5m by mid August. On the other hand, PSV still maintain there is no bid for Kevin Strootman from Manchester United whatsoever. An amatuer R. B is all we have. And finally. just where on God's round earth will Nani be playing next year����
Guys, what's wrong with Manchester United?
Why are people getting so wound up about not buying any 1 yet zaha was our 1st summer signing and more will come any 1 would think this was the last week signing players lol enjoy the summer sunshine and things will happen guys chill out
Nothing, stop being such a baby and wait and see.
Brendan81
Zaha was not our first summer signing, Varela was. Zaha was signed in January.
15 Jul 2013 07:55:32
I am suspecting all the unveiling of any transfers will be between the end of the current tour and the Sevilla game. A nice ten day window. A lot of teams wait until the latter half of the window unless you are a silly money City or Chelsea. Once you sign the player you obviously start paying his wages. In our case this can be £200,000 a week for top players. Why sign a player who genuinely wants to come at the start of the window and pay out nearly another million so he can train throughout July or play in the Far East. That ten day window is there for a reason, so chin up fellas and be patient for a couple of more weeks. SAF wouldn't have left and left no significant funding for DM to kicks tart his reign. Roll on end of the month.
Do the business early otherwise loose out. This is generaly the case
ManUMicK
What a load of rubbish, were not signing our players now to save a months wages. Are you for real!
You sign them ASAP as to not lose out in the case of Thiago,
To implement them into their new squad, get familiar with their news surroundings and team mates, and get them in the condition you want!
Wait a month to save on wages is ludicrous!
Alex Fergusons Condom
As I said, this doesn't apply to the big money teams and is why their transfers are happening. I agree you should sign them as soon as possible for all the reasons you stated. The problem at most clubs is debt and financial constrants set by the shareholders. The amount of money in circulation in these types of moves does make major differences when the clubs figures are released at year end. This is not an uncommon tactic of any business recruitment and football is included. Players are not sat about if there future is uncertain they are in shape whoever they train with. Again as you said, this is a reason clubs miss players.
15 Jul 2013 07:26:48
people might get angry at me for saying this specially guys with no names. I don't think we lost thiago either due to our manager or any fault of our club. he just decided to join bayren, because that's where he wants to be i'm sure that has to do something with pep being their manager. yes we lost a chance to sign a great talent but if we find the right players who wants to play for us I don't think we have to worry about the future.
i won't cry now and say we are doomed but at the end of the transfer window if we have not signed few midfielders and a quality winger then we might struggle a bit but who knows what will happen. ( sorry if there are any mistakes )
If you were a footballer what would be the factors for you to move to a club. I would sugest:
1. Money
2. Club
3. Location
4. CL
5. Genuine trophy contenders
I don't believe club history is a deciding factor anymore.
15 Jul 2013 07:09:05
Some reports in the press we are after Fabregas.
I do believe too many sports writers are numpties. Having just sold Thiago, Barcelona will not be looking to off load Fabregas. NO CHANCE
15 Jul 2013 06:31:49
You've got to believe that united are working on something really big behind the scenes. I don't think thiago was a serious target. Maybe of interest, but with the statement that there is unlimited funds, there's got to be a big name on his way. And am thinking bale.
Marm
Give it up mate, he simply isn't interested in joining united, funds will have to be spent elsewhere! Can't see ronnie coming back either
He's one of the best young midfielders about, Thiago was certainly a player we were serious about signing. Also can't see Bale joining, didn't he just sign a new extension about a month ago?
Ozwald
15 Jul 2013 05:53:48
ngiak is fairly certain there are two signings
his contacts are rarely wrong as the processes have already been activated
moyes is really keeping things close to his chest
but ngiak is encouraged by the fact that he is a strict disciplinarian
and that he is willing to give youth a chance
it will be a very interesting season for ngiak
he is seeing Manchester United going through another revolution
regardless of the outcome, thanks to his long term association
ngiak will forever be a big fan
gan
Gan,
care to expand on who these two targets might be. ?
JJ
15 Jul 2013 05:33:11
One positive thing I see right now is Moyes' attitude towards this Rooney saga. He is standing firm and has shown Rooney his place with the recent comments. Regardless what anyone thinks, Wayne Rooney is not bigger than the club.
Also Janujaz looked very good in the friendly. Should not be played on the right wing though. We need to play him through the center where he is most effective or maybe on the left in a fluid 4-2-3-1. Would work well with Kagawa imo.
REDFAITH
15 Jul 2013 05:29:29
Really disappointed at losing out on Thiago.
After having lost out on Thiago and Lewandowski, Manchester United will need to change targets now, no question about it. Its the first real test imo for Moyes and his staff and also new chief exec Ed Woodward and one i'm looking forward to see how they handle it.
Moyes has said openly we are short in midfield. There is not too many midfield options I can think about right now. Only one comes to mind, Modric, who may be let go by his club. Really hope we don't go for that thug Fellaini. Other than that I see a lack of top talent available in the market. What are everyone's opinions on who we could go for now?
We also need to sign a left winger. Again, other than Di Maria I don't see any wingers that might be let go. Not any recognized ones anyway. Before anyone says Bale, he is NOT a winger anymore and all his top performances come when he playing through the middle behind the main striker.
Perhaps, and its a very long shot that this may happen, we will make a move for a big name and sign baines along with that and that will be it.
Should be interesting to see what happens now. One thing is for sure a "no value" tag will be completely unacceptable and we need to strengthen, not because i'm concerned about the league, but because we need to go forward in Europe and Moyes needs to start the league in dominating fashion.
Its been a bad summer so far for the top English clubs. Chelsea haven't been able to bring in the Cavani/Falcao that they might have been looking at. City have failed in their pursuits of Isco and Cavani. We have lost out on Thiago and Lewandowski.
REDFAITH
I'm a spurs fan and I'm here in peace, firstly modric, I could see it happened for you? He has kept his house down here and frequently visits the uk for family and old team mates! So would he go to united possibly yes? On the other hand though when he first came to spurs he couldn't get a game and was used as a sub! He is a fighter is the little pearl (as we called him) he grew up in terrible circumstances and learned to fight, he fought for his place and won it and became the player he is today and could see him doing the same thing in spain! As for bale! Forget it he has absolutely no desire to play for another english team. sorry, but modders? there's a chance, slim, but a chance! Any way good luck in the new season
Why do you go on about Lewandowski, he was never available.
It has alway been said that he wants to join Bayern, cosequently he was always going to see his contract out and join them next season
15 Jul 2013 10:25:31
@NoName,
There was a very real chance of Lewandowski.
REDFAITH
15 Jul 2013 00:51:31
If I was a Liverpool or City fan reading this page, I'd be laughing my plums off right now, at the way a lot of our supporters seem to be heading for meltdown because we didn't sign someone who was the current flavour of the month.
Come back on and moan at the end of the window if Moyes hasn't sorted out the midfield problem, but in the meantime, try and retain a modicum of self-respect for God's sake.
Mass hysteria is so unattractive.
Lol. Well said StevieK. Yes, he is a very good player. Not sure he'll really improve the Bayern starting 11 by much though. It was already excellent. Yes, wait and see. Panic ye not.
Wow, half of these posters are not even United fans. They come here acting as negative United fans missing out on transfers and going downhill then actual United fans tag along. Almost like a multiplier effect.
Ay3
I mainly agree and some of the reactions have been over the top.
however, you have to appreciate that utd fans have a lot of pent up frustration at having a substandard midfield for the last five years with nothing much done about it.
in addition, there are no signs utd are going all out for any top midfielder. in fact a number of excellent players have already signed for other clubs or look set to do so. the yo yo yo's of ferdandinho, paulineho, moutinho, plus now alcantara and its looking like de rossi is going to Chelsea for a measly £11 million. of course, van ginkel moved there as well.
anyone of these players would walk straight into our first team.
like you though I'm trying to remain patient and give Moyes every chance to bring in the players we need. I'm just really hoping that he shows some real ambition with his targets and he doesn't see Fellini as the solution
we can't make players come if they don't want to but we can certainly give them and their clubs something to think about with right bids and personal terms. hopefully this is what is going on behind the scenes right now
I mainly agree and some of the reactions have been over the top.
however, you have to appreciate that utd fans have a lot of pent up frustration at having a substandard midfield for the last five years with nothing much done about it.
in addition, there are no signs utd are going all out for any top midfielder. in fact a number of excellent players have already signed for other clubs or look set to do so. the yo yo yo's of ferdandinho, paulineho, moutinho, plus now alcantara and its looking like de rossi is going to Chelsea for a measly £11 million. of course, van ginkel moved there as well.
anyone of these players would walk straight into our first team.
like you though I'm trying to remain patient and give Moyes every chance to bring in the players we need. I'm just really hoping that he shows some real ambition with his targets and he doesn't see Fellini as the solution
we can't make players come if they don't want to but we can certainly give them and their clubs something to think about with right bids and personal terms. hopefully this is what is going on behind the scenes right now
15 Jul 2013 05:09:10
Of course, we're already laughing.
LOL
If I was a Liverpool or City fan, why would I want to read this page
I think most will know my views on Uniteds spending policy and the lack of investment in major world players. However I said the same as you five days ago, we need to stay calm and view this when the window closes.
Some time ago I said that Fabregas and Ronaldo would be very good and if that happened we could look forward to a very interesting season. However Modric and Gaitan would worry me considerably
Mr "No retooling" Woodward needs to show his negotiation skills now!
Could not agree more, yes he would have been a good addition but some people were acting like he was going to be the saviour of manchester uniteds midfield, there are plenty of other targets that can come in so let's wait until the transfer window closes before fans start getting their knickers in a twist.
phil
15 Jul 2013 10:26:01
@Red Man
Its impossible that Barcelona will let go of Fabregas now that Thiago is gone. No chance. And that is, if he even wants to leave, which he clearly doesn't.
Ronaldo might be a slight chance, but I think there will be a better chance of these two next summer rather than this one.
Modric is one of my favourite players, and I would love to see him here. Gaitan is ok but nothing special, I agree.
REDFAITH
REDFAITH
I have to disagree on Modric, decent player, a good player even but not top level for me. He couldn't get in Madrids midfield that was not great last season so why is he suddenly our great hope?
I have long said Fabregas and Ronaldo would be my ideal summer but it is that level of player we need.
15 Jul 2013 00:44:46
Thiago has signed for Bayen
25 mil euro's plus a bayen barca friendly
I personally thought he would have been a great addition to our side but in saying that I want a midfielder that plays for the club
hopefully we can sign quality midfielders soon
That's right. No point in signing Thiago if he doesn't want to play for us.
Anyway wish him all the best and hope we sign few quality alternatives.
Good to see that there is no post on hating Thiago which I usually see when we miss out on signings.
fan_of_Carrick
15 Jul 2013 00:25:18
Modric to United (Gut Feeling)
IHaveNoName!
I would be very disappointed with Modric as I don't feel he is as good as a few people make out.
14 Jul 2013 23:40:51
So we've lost out on thiago but we have unlimited funds, so I think we should get either el shawarry or lamela as well as strootman and another midfielder such as marcishio
14 Jul 2013 23:24:22
city have jovetic, very good player, they haven't finished spending yet, if chelsea get a decent forward they will be flying, can't wait to see who we bring in with this unlimited transfer budget moyes has told every club in europe about, hopefully fletch will be fit he will be like a new signing NOT, spurs are well in for hallilovic, we are missing out on some big talent this summer, thank god for the brand and welbz.
i. t. y. s
Did City&chealsea not spend big this time last season?
Dylan
What we must do this window is IMPROVE the squad with any signings.
City have lost Tevez&Balloteli and are replacing them with Jovetic&Negrado.
I rest my case
Dylan
15 Jul 2013 00:05:00
If Manchester United are serious about wanting to replace Scholes, there is only ONE place to look right now.
Oliver Torres of Atletico Madrid.
This kid is simply a non-ginger, tan Paul Scholes. It's crazy.
How much would he cost and do you know of any interest?
I like Koke and Oliver Torres I would love a double swoop for them both but I don't think Atletico would be too happy to sell either no matter both.
I think you could be looking at a very similar price to the one Thiago has just gone for.
Unfortunately don't think there is, nor will be, and interest from us. He'll be snapped up by Barca in due course, he'll be their successor to Xavi where Thiago was in plan to be.
MPez