Manchester United Banter Archive June 15 2012

15 Jun 2012 23:50:04
I have it from a good source that Manchester United are preparing to launch a 35 million euros bid for Liverpool striker Andy Carroll.

Fergie was at the game in the Ukraine and was very impressed with what he saw.

Watch this space!!

Ozwald IV

Wasn't really funny the first time mate

Gav

I see, he's a troll, it all makes so much sense now.

Percy

What Carroll or Ozwald IV? Lol.

Shappy

He will have seen welbeck's finish then. he's a much better prospect.

Redrum182

After the game a few of my friends who are liverpool fans were saying that carroll would star every game from no on over Rooney,they also said he's a better all rounder and that he's 'hit form' for the euros I couldn't help but laugh, still am now!.

Macca!

15 Jun 2012 23:44:39
So we've got Giggs & Scholes for another season.
Absolute legends.

Neither can be replaced as a player, but the position needs to be filled.

Modric seems to be the player coming in and Kagawa who can come off the left has been bought.

Also I think we need to bleed these guys next season
Petrucci (20) & Januzaj (17) pre-season and a loan to a Prem or Championship team. For Januzaj a Dutch or Belgium feeder club loan for 3months.
Build them up for the first team for 2013-14 season.

I think United should look into the possibility of forming a new European Geriatrics League

Puzzled

15 Jun 2012 22:17:09
So should we still swap Welbeck for Baines then, Ed 007?

Not good enough for the team, eh?

Who else could have scored that goal?

Pritpal {Ed007's Note - Oh did he score? I was watching Life on Mars on demand TV. He must be worth about £40+ million now then. I heard Carroll scored an absolute belter as well and watched the Eire game with Torres running amok. All the cream rises to the top in these tournaments. I think Everton might prefer Naismith from Rangers now. Utd could throw J-Lo Anderson in to sway the deal but I doubt Moyes would be keen, it's pity that.}

The awareness, intelligence, creativity, craft and balls it took to try that is something we shouldn't be trying to offload.

Percy

Percy
it was a lucky goal sometimes it comes of sometimes it doesn't.
his goal last week in the friendly was technically much better great goal
jred

I don't think it was lucky, not more luck than any other goal. And all that is, is sometimes it works some times it doesn't. Welbeck is very classy and has a great future.

Percy

No more luck than any other goal, it was a good goal but he wont score many more like that there one offs.
like i said the one last week was technically better
jred

That's because he won't get many chances to score one like that.

Percy

15 Jun 2012 22:22:46
Danny Welbeck take a bow son! What a top drawer finish!

DB-Red

Looks like him and Hernandez have been swapping tips!

CnM

15 Jun 2012 22:21:16
As a manchester United supporter who can they say they were surprised by Ashley Young's poor performance tonight. We saw too much of that last season. Great goal by the Fresh Prince though. I AM KLOOT

Teams have seen him as a threat and you saw every time he got the ball they doubled up on him and at Utd he has Evra bombing forward where as Cole doesnt do it as much. He needs help

fearny

Fearny
i dont think its that pal his just had 2 poor games it happens
jred

15 Jun 2012 21:59:00
ibrahimavic class player would be brilliant for us if we want a player to hold it up for rooney or wellbeck

Ibrahimovic is quite simply a grade A bell*nd!

Have a read of his supposed book where all he does is use it to have a go at everyone.

He mentions his time at Barca where Peps pre game talk was saying 'give the ball to Messi when in the middle' Zlatan said 'why the f*** was I brought to the club then?' and demended a meeting. In that meeting he ended up throwing office items across Peps desk at him so not quite the person we would want at us imo.

Jono

If people think Nani is inconsistent you have obviously never seen Ibrahimovich. He turns up whenever he wants and when he does he is deadly... BUT he only turns up when he can be bothered

fearny

The guys a Kn#b! Simples

aaallj5

Tbh i didn't like him until I spoke to my swedish friends who all love him. They love the fact that he's the only outspoken sportsman they have and he's actually a pretty calm person usually.

The point Jono makes though, wouldn't you be pissed if you wanted to be the main man of a club and thought you came to the club to make a difference and not just be step before messi does everything? playing devils advocate here

Sanshine

Not really sanshine mate as Barca play and always have played as a team and now use messi as the focal point as his finishing is so deadly. As a sportsman individually you could see how he may have felt disvalued or redundant but it's a team game and he can do no better on his own. I genuinely can't stand players who think they will do everythin them selves. I hated it about Ronnie and and any other player alike but even if he was pissed off as an individual would you resort to chucking stuff over the table at your manager?

No doubt he has talent to burn and with his frame he could be lethal at all times but his heads all over the place and his performances for Sweden have been disgraceful. Not in terms of what he has done but how he has done nothing for his team and would rather win a physical contest with someone than take an easy pAss or the likes if you get what I mean.

Jono

I'm half Swedish and even most of the swedes dislike zlatan and think he's a selfish kn*b. Not a player to rely on when your up against it.

Supasub

15 Jun 2012 21:42:43
If only Welbeck could finish. Just sayin.

DodgyBanter

15 Jun 2012 21:13:40
Isaksson has the smallest calves i've ever seen on a professional footballer. Lol.

Shappy

Shappy you perv haha!

DB-Red

Lol! Trust you to notice Shap! ;)

DodgyBanter

Seriously their like match sticks, a strong gust would snap his shins. Lol.

Shappy

15 Jun 2012 17:39:39
Does anyone on here have an idea what happens within these co-ownership deals?

Hoppy {Ed002's Note - It rather depends - you need to be more specific.}

Hey Ed, I have a couple of questions regarding this subject. Are all co-ownership deals 50% to both parties? And are wages split or does the team the player is representing pay?

Understand there are probably many differences in each deal but any light on the subject would be great! Cheers SHRIMP {Ed002's Note - In answer to the first question, no. They can be any sort of split. The club the player is contracted to would normally pay the wages. I should mention that whilst English clubs can be co-owners of players, the players with third party ownership cannot play in England.}

Thanks Ed002. SHRIMP

So can we co-own players in another country? then when we're ready to bring them here buy the other half?

Sanshine {Ed002's Note - Sure. It is not uncommon. Chelsea own part of the rights to a number of Fluminense players for example.}

15 Jun 2012 17:45:16
Even if Pogba did stay, he'd end up demanding more and more and move on anyway, he's best gone now before we waste our time training him
RM

Well if he demanded more and more then moved on over the space of ten years service then fine by me.

Jono

I think he wants to play. He should stay a fight for a place- which he may well nail on by the end of this season. If he stays I'll support him, if he goes good luck to him.

DodgyBanter

What would be wrong with him giving us 5 or 6 years then selling him for £25 - £30 million? Or even more with the way the prices are rising every year. He would become a very valuable assit to the club whether he would be playing for us or being sold by us.

RedDevil19

That's the point - if he does that then at least we get money for him, if he walks away now we get next to nothing

Gav

15 Jun 2012 16:39:10
Ah happy days this takes me back to last summer when we were linked with all these great players and Sydney kept telling us to wait and see because he was coming this world class player. He never came and everyone was angry as they new that we were getting further away from Barcelona and not closer. Since then we have been humiliated in Europe Humiliated by City at OT and knocked out of the FA cup by a mid table team. But summer comes around and it all starts again and some of you actually believe that we are going to sign that world class player. Sydney tells you all that we have the money but Sir Alex just doesn't want to spend it. Come on Syd you can do better than that you remember how he used to throw cash around Veron, Ferdinand, Rooney, Berbatov. Let me tell you he is under strict instructions about his transfer policy. But hey all the season tickets haven't been renewed so lets get linked with players who will get the punters excited and reach for their credit cards. I know quite a few people in high places in football and they will tell you that in the board rooms of the premier league United are known as "No Money.com" as they talk the talk but when it comes to real deals they make stupidly low offers. I am sure Syd will now list all the players that nearly joined the club forgetting that big word nearly. And for all of you who say I am just Anti Glazer, bloody right I am. Without them we could spend 100 million every summer and still be the most profitable club in the Premiership. City won on the last day for one reason and one reason only. They splashed 35 mil on a world class striker who even in the last minute of extra time showed class. You get what you pay for. You know that none of you really know how good this japanese lad is or the young lad from Crew e you have just seen bits on YouTube so we are hoping that we have got lucky. Right that's the negative stuff out of the way now on a positive note I am looking for a big season from Smalling who has developed into a really good player. The boy Jones needs to find a position and make it his own or else we have a Phil Neville scenario and what a waste that was. I am really scared about seeing two of United's greatest ever players start to look like liabilities and that is what could happen with Giggs and Scholes. When i am old and have grandchildren I will sit them on my knee and tell them with a tear in my eye that i was lucky enough to see Giggs and Scholes wear the red shirt and there has never been better in their position. They will always stay in my heart but I don't want to see their reputations tarnished as they hang on for another season. Keep believing and keep fighting. We all want the same thing we just have different ideas of how to get there. Full marks to people like Sydney etc who take all the stick I give them as banter and nothing else. I AM KLOOT

Agree with everything apart from one thing. I know full well how good Kagawa is and is going to be. He's a top talent. Nick Powell has the ability to be top class.

G.A.G.U.S

Optimistic as always then, KLOOT.

Surely you can see that the signing of Kagawa goes at least some way to rebuilding our joke of a midfield?

T0MB0Z

Hey Klooty

Maybe no World Class Players - but at least we have - World Class Whiners!! As long as you don't retire mate.

:)
Mike

I think Kloot has a good point but made too early. If we are sat here on 1st Sept without world class improvements then Kloot will not only be right but we will face a difficult season ahead. Some need to open their eyes to where we are and the lies we have been told

Red Man

That word POTENTIAL gets used too much when united buy players is ridicules,

How can a player playing in LEAUGE 2 have potential to be world class, to step up from a LEAUGE that's virtually like Sunday LEAUGE is a big ask, but ay fergie will just keep him in the reserves,

And as for the glaziers well they nee to die!

Agree with everything you said in the post you can't make judgement from YouTube.

Mite aswell go on football manager aswell if you want tO know how good players CAN BE!

And yeah we have money yet never spend it. Were a bunch of jokers who lie about everything!

Constantly look for bargains rather than known WORLD CLASS.

But ay 2nd in the prem and Europe LEAUGE humiliation was acceptable.

No ambition at all and it's all down to the glaziers!

LUHG

I AM KLOOT wants to spend £100 million every year.......that says it all....Football brain of an ape......what's he's gonna do....change the squad on a 6 month cycle?....ie every transfer window.
He lives in cloud cuckoo land......jealous of every club that spends more than Man United and believes we are entitled to win every title in football. He needs to return to earth and understand that football is a business. You have to make sure the books add up and also UEFA Fair Play rules are adhered too.
Yes you can buy success....and we have been down that road, but sooner or later....you have to build a team for long term success....it's the Manchester United way.......remember the Busby Babes......

Well said Kloot, as always I agree 100% about the way the dreaded Glazers have turned our club into a cash cow for their own greed! It doesnt matter if we finished 2nd last season, the fact is the football we played was boring and a number of players in the squad have become stale and need to be moved on and better players brought in to rejuvenate the club and get us back, not just playing well but back on level terms with Europe's elite because we were awful in Europe last season, absolutely bang average in the PL too and the reason for that is a complete lack of investment last summer due to the Glazers greed and if I'm honest, Fergies' failure in addressing the problem areas.

Flimbo

LUHG

Why do you think I have only seen Kagawa or Powell on YouTube? I have seen plenty of Kagawa over the past 2 seasons, and have seen Powell play on a number of occasions. Really annoying when someone makes assumptions like that. Suggest you don't do it in future.

G.A.G.U.S

Yeah yeah, you a big crewe fan?

There always on tv so I guess you can say uve seen him play.

And kagawa I've never seen play but cause you put full stops in between your name I'll belive you

And I'm sorry I ever doubted you GAGUS please forgive me?

and your FM certificate in management makes you far more entitled to say which players are class!

LUHG

15 Jun 2012 17:02:41
No Patrice Evra for France..... Q the is he isn't he debate again ;) (unless he's just injured)

Welsh Red

At this moment in time clichys a better play blanc realises that

Maybe the sight of Evra choking on Milners dust was the deciding factor.

Jono

15 Jun 2012 16:07:36
now that harry rednapp has left ................ ED do u feel that rafael van der vaart could be available?? {Ed004's Note - Wouldn't want him...}

Please god no! Van Der Vaart is the reason Tottenham hasn't got back in to the champions league, he's a good player but took Defoe's place and tottenham have not been as effective going forward since. Completely over-rated and over played player.

VDV's attitude is disgraceful at times and he could throw off the time with his sulking if not played or when subbed no player is bigger than the team. Don't get me wrong he has qualities but he isn't for United City should get him to add to their egos oops I mean team.

Darren-Bermuda

Not a bad player - but his fitness levels and attitude are atrocious. He's seemingly on his way to Schalke anyway.

T0MB0Z

15 Jun 2012 14:39:30
Hey just a suggestion and I'm asking you to be honest. If Carlos tevez had never come to united , betrayed us and city . If you had the shout on transfers at o.t would you spend 25 million on him now based on ability alone. Open and honest transfer debate . DISNEY !

I wish he never left.... Not sure I'd take him back for that amount now.
I still think he's quality - though not last season due to obvious reasons!

M.D.

I was gutted when he left amazing player, but way to much baggage, Fergie knew he was trouble

Tony loz

He's a greedy git may his nuts fester on the corners... a pox on him

Pardoe

Not a chance. The way he's treated Manchester City and it's fans (as much as I dislike them) is terrible.

I know you said ability alone - but its hard to ignore his conduct.

T0M

15 Jun 2012 14:03:25
Reports in Italy are saying United are readying a £21m (25m euros) for Thiago Alcantara. Not sure if they're true though? what do you think ED? {Ed002's Note - I don't know of interest.}

Alcantara is in Spain, Manchester United is in England......so why should we believe the reports from ITALY ?

MUMBAI_BOY

Because Thiago was a target for AC Milan and was reportedly offered as part of a deal for Thiago Silva

fearny

He's is italian born

Didn't we offer 15million pounds or euros lat summer ed/anyone? He wanted to stay and establish himself in the first team.....that hasn't really happened.
Just got back from hols...seems like not alot of news has been missed.

Supasub

I like the look of him - but as I said last summer - we would only find ourselves in a similar position to the one Arsenal were facing with Fabregas last year in a few years time.

T0MB0Z

15 Jun 2012 14:04:45
Hi all, quick question regarding Real Madrid, i may be wrong but doesn't alot of their money come from bank of Spain? and with the current state of Spains fianances is it safe to assume that they may have to sell if they want to buy?

Sahin diarra and jese rodriquez would be worth looking at all 3 aren't first team regulars all talented players

15 Jun 2012 13:45:59
I don't see why everyone is saying we should sell Evra and Park. Not going to happen. We wouldn't get much for them since they are nearly at the end of their careers. Besides, SAF has too much love for both of them. Why would he play Park in big games even if he wasn't doing well? Why would he give Evra the captains armband when Vidic was gone? They just won't get contract renewals and will probably retire at the of their contracts.

15 Jun 2012 12:37:05
Reports are suggesting that Juv have signed Asamoah & Isla for 15m Euro.....

In all due respect to Pogba how can he see himself getting more footy at Juv than with us.....?

AND 15m for the pair... very good business.

It's only for 50% of each tho, it's a co-ownership

Big N
Mac

12m for them both i doubt it thats peanuts
pogba might go to udinese to play every week as part of the deal and who can blame the kid

That stupuid italian way of doing things
i get it now

If he wants to play everyweek we could sign him and loan him out he does not need to go to italy to do that

15 Jun 2012 12:23:05
Who we taking on Pre -season Tour?

Euro squad players need a holiday and family time.
Olympic Squad players will be called up.
Plus U19's Qualifiers are being played the same time.
Lindegaard (Euro)
Amos (Olympic squad?)
DeGea (OS)
Coll & Collini (u19's)
Who will play in goal???

Rafael, Fabio, Smalling, Cleverley, Powell? (OS)
M.Keane, Thorpe (u19's)
Evra, Jones, Welbeck, Rooney, Young, Nani, Lindegaard will all need a rest and family time after Euros.

It's going to be very interesting in Norway & South Africa.

Lindegaard han't played so I would have thought he would like to come on the tour for game time and to try and get back in ahead of De Gea... Powell and Smalling won't go to the olympics.... We still have most of the first team to go and quite a few of the reserves will go

fearny

15 Jun 2012 11:24:15
People say we will definately sell evra, but I believe he may be a bit like Neville in his last years at the club, playing 20 games a season and being on the bench so he's a presence in the changing room. We all know he's not the player he used to be but he can still do a good job in some easier games. After all who would he want to go to?
NWDA

Shouldn't sell evra whilst fabio is the back up, he's simply not a good enough replacement

15 Jun 2012 11:05:27
I can't believe someone on here said they'd rather give Brady a chance than sign Iniesta, some people have such rose tinted glasses when it comes to United. Brady will not make it at the club, he is not good enough, he will be a Wigan type player at best.

RedDevil19

I feel Brady will make it here.

Percy

I think that poster was getting abit carried away. Iniesta is a.far better player than Brady will ever likely be. But I feel your being very hard on the young lad, he has good potential and has every chance.of.making at United. He has had a similar if not better impact with his first loan than Cleverley had with his, so why can't he keep improving and have an impact.with our first team squad in a year or two's time. I think people are.two quick to write off a.player if they haven't made it by 18.

Shappy

I think the comment was tongue in cheek RD?

GDS

What's wrong with Wigan mate?

R.yates

Haha I'm pretty sure that was me, it was a joke! Obviouslyy! As I felt the original post of 'we should sign Iniesta' was just as much of a joke? Sorry RD19 I should have explained ; )

Gav

15 Jun 2012 10:54:44
Does anyone know how long the following players have on thier contracts?

Bale
Modric
M'vila
Strootman
Thiago Alacantra
Alba

Just wanting to know.

1redarmy {Ed002's Note - If you don't have access to any detailed database then perhaps try www.transfermarkt.co.uk they make effort to be correct - but there will always be some errors.}

Cheers Ed!

1redarmy

Bale: 2015
Modric: 2016
M'vila: 2015
Strootman:2016
Thiago: 2015
Alba: 2013

most of the players we would like at heavily contracted! Is there no players who have contracts running out we could pinch for cheap?

1redarmy {Ed004's Note - Kagawa}

I meant anyone else Ed...

1redarmy

15 Jun 2012 10:29:52
Would really like this for next year. Probably unrealistic but
....
------------De-Gea------------
---------Vidic---Ferdy--------
-Rafa---------------------Evra-
--------M'Vila--Modric-------
-Toni----------------------Bale-
-------------Kagawa-------------
-------------Rooney-------------

What do you think?

MALITO!

Would be a stunning team, I think it would be our best since the ronaldo and tevez days with a midfield like that I would be confident in winning a few trophies.

Shame it is unrealistic like you said.

1redarmy

Replace Valencia and bale with nani and munain.

Millz {Ed004's Note - That would be an awesome team and the only way I think you could improve it would be to sign a left back like Izaguirre or Willems and neither will cost more than 10 milliom imo}

Malito, that would be an 80's style team, okay the midfield and the striker would be able to pass the ball, but the wingers have almost no technical ability. Nani and Muniain on the other hand would take us closer to Barcelona than we've ever been.

Percy {Ed004's Note - I agree completely. We could also use the direct wingers in the premier league when needed, Young and Valencia that is}

Replace vidic who is past it now with mexes

Micky Charlie Boyyy

Cheers for the responses, I just suppose I thought that having 2 direct wingers that get to the by-line getting crosses into the box with their strong feet, with having just a lone striker, would provide rooney with quality service, ie like when rooney scored his highest return ( from Valencia delivery).

It would probably be more creative if we had more technical wingers, so Percy is right for thinking a more barca type approach would work better with more goals from the front 4 as a collective unit!

Would love Modric and m' Vila still tho! Really hope we go for both of them :)

MALITO!

------------De-Gea------------
---------Vidic---Smalling--------
-Rafa---------------------Evra-
--------M'Vila--Modric-------
-Nani----------------------Munian-
-------------Kagawa-------------
-------------Rooney-------------

Hell I like the look of that team and could put up with Evra for another year if it meant getting that mid-field.......Fabio with the correct loan (and no injury's) would be ready in a year...

I swapped ferdy and Smalling though as think ferdy has lost a yard of pace and vidic is not the fasted. Smalling at this stage of their careers would be a better parter for vidic in my opinion..

Oxred {Ed004's Note - Still think we need a left back. If we are spending that amount of money 5 million for a left back like Izaguirre in comparison isn't an awful lot but that team would be one hell of a team and with our Squad and manager I would have no doubts about us winning the league}

Wasn't Rooney's most prolific season this one just gone?

Percy

I can't believe someone suggested we replce vidic with mexes,pure laughter, vidic is the best in the league mate

Macca!

15 Jun 2012 09:21:31
Nick Powell off to Blackburn on loan according to the daily fail.

Still think he will be on tour to see how he copes then Fergie will decide.

1redarmy

15 Jun 2012 08:16:08
Spanish paper linking us with a face from last year. Thiago Alcantara. He wasn't on the Barcelona untouchable list and will be able to leave for the right price. Was offered to AC milan as part exchange for Thiago Silva but he is off to PSG. Would be able to get him for around 25 million euros. Wonder what everyones view on him is?

fearny

I like him, think he could excel at united.

Played awesome in the euro under 21's last year.

Cban

Why do people keep believing this stupid Barcelona untouchable list? It came from one website, and you instantly believe it?

G.A.G.U.S

Thiago Silva is off to PSG?

M.D. {Ed002's Note - Perhaps, but as has been explained BArcelona may have other ideas.}

Thought the deals off

Ross {Ed002's Note - Some days on, some days off.}

Who all are included in list?
I can think of xavi, iniesta, messi and puyol.