Manchester United Banter Archive June 15 2015

15 Jun 2015 18:28:59
For those of you who missed it there is a transfer window competition below about a third the way down this page, get your entries in there are a lot of regulars not entered yet. cheers

15 Jun 2015 19:15:58
Done mate
👍

15 Jun 2015 19:50:04
{Ed033's Note - Please use the form at http://manchesterunitedrumours.co.uk/insoutscomp.php to enter the Ins outs competition

15 Jun 2015 20:53:37
Did my entry work? It said I was logged out afterwards so not sure it went through.

16 Jun 2015 08:35:48
Same here. Hope it went through because I'll never remember who I picked!

{Ed033's Note - Some people weren't logged in at the time of submitting. GDS2 and Noucamp99 are recorded.

You can look at all the entries at http://manchesterunitedrumours.co.uk/insoutscomp.php

16 Jun 2015 11:53:29
Not sure I agree with Mulambo being allowed to just put almost every player we have been linked with down, I did think that could be an option as there were no points deducted for incorrect selections from what I can gather?

16 Jun 2015 17:11:17
Cheers, Ed.

15 Jun 2015 15:30:07
I want to hopefully turn a few people's heads in terms of some of our proposed transfer targets.

Jasper Cillessen: Dutch Goalkeeper, Aged 26.
He is 6'2" and currently plays for Ajax. A lot of people have said that he simpley isn't good enough for UTD, which is a bit unfair and i'll try and let you know why (I know loads of people here are set i their ways and are not open to admitting that they may have been wrong).

Cillessen has played 32 games this season, keeping 12 clean sheets. He has a 'Claim success % of 98. He has an average of 3.8 saves a game, whereas De Gea has an average of 2.5. Cillessen has a 10% better save percentage than De Gea and has cleared with a punch 24 times this season, compared to De Gea's 7. Now, i am not saying he is better than De Gea, because he isnt. But Cillissen IMO is a great replacement. Van Der Sar was always very commanding of his box and from what i have seen of Cillessen, so is he! For something like 15m, its a good buy. He has fallen into this trap of being Dutch and linked with UTD, so everyone just assumes he is trash and is solely linked because of the Dutch manager. I Remember watching him at the world cup and being very impressed with some of his saves. Personally i would be happy if we bought him, and i hope i have at least made some of you think that it would be a terrible buy.

Roberto Firmino: A Brazilian Center Attacking Midfielder aged 23. He is 5'9" and 76kg. The problem people have with Firmino seems to be that we have too many Attacking Midfielders and he wouldn't be used.

I want to start by saying that personally i love Firmino, he is a fantastic talent that has for some reason been stuck in Bundesliga mediocrity for a while. He created 69 goal scoring chances in 32 games this season. He grabbed 7 goals and 10 assists overall and enjoys taking on defenders one on one. People worry about Mata's future, when then really shouldn't. We will compete on all fronts next season and need very good squad players. Firmino will also provide us with what people were screaming for last season, and that is the willingness to run at a defender. Himself and depay will add that. Also for those saying he might not adapt to the PL, then all you have to do is watch him on the international stage. He has 3 goals in six games from midfield, he is very capable.

Hopefully I've turned a few heads, even if you don't admit it. Enough with the doom and gloom about every player we are linked with. Enojy the window and remember, it's only Mid-June!

15 Jun 2015 17:15:09
I like reading those kind of posts, HarryUTD. Keep it coming :)

To something not related to this. I have been a long time reader, and a 'few-time-poster'. I think this page is getting rather boring ("so don't come here, then" - that is not my point) I have never ever, before this season, been reading on other teams pages. But I do now. its kind of sad. But I do it just in case Ed002 writes something about United, when they ask about other players. I don't know what happen that time when he/she abandoned this page, but for me personally, i'm beginning to lose interest coming here looking for transfer news. When finally someone post something that in a odd way sounds like a rumor, he or she gets slated for reading this or that on twitter etc. So what's the point with this page then?

Dont get me wrong, I really like reading on the banter page, cause a lot of you have great knowledge about United and on players not playing in the Premier League.

TL;DR: I miss Ed002 and that guy living in the shadows of Old Trafford! (you know who I mean)

Rant over.

15 Jun 2015 19:01:44
Good summarisation, Harry.

I would be very happy if we signed the players you mentioned. I think Jasper Cillessen would be a very good replacement for De Gea. The boss also knows him well: he knows his strengths and weaknesses, having worked with him while managing Holland.

Roberto Firmino is a player I personally like a lot, for the reasons you mention. He is technically excellent, and has a very good turn of pace. I can see him playing either in a midfield three or right side attack; the role Mata played very well; but Firmino would be, IMO, better suited to that role as he has the ability to take players on and beat them.

I have a feeling that we are going to see some big talents join the club over the summer. Depay is the first of at least 5 major signings IMO.

15 Jun 2015 20:13:44
Steffens, agree to some extend about ED002: he/she is posting transfer news/summaries on other sites and we've been sent out of the room for being naughty (though looked at the Southampton site a few weeks back and some wally gave 002 a terrible time - yet they still get updates)

And, reading between the lines about Ed002's real-life background, he/she travels a lot, has got an amazing contact list with insiders at clubs, agents, etc, is very passionate about sport and is a talented writer. Now, I would say journalist, but they are guenuinely offended at the suggestion that they might be influenced by tabloid rumours - and, with such great insights, why don't they make it to the Nationals? Maybe he/she is an ex-journalist who became disenchanted with the industry and chose to share their insights with genuine sports fans instead?

Thus, 002 is extremely busy, so you can understand their frustration at having to copy and paste the same comment again and again just because people can't be voters to use the search function. Then, on top of that, they get abuse from selfish people who don't realise 002's doing us a favour with their time for FREE and post pedantic/vindictive messages.

And yes, it's a bit sad at times that he/she refuses to even use our name in ANY post now (there's some news posted on Man City site that "another club" are interested in Firmino/interest from elsewhere)

So I can only hope that Ed002 has a change of heart, realises that they're are very much missed on this site (for rumours but also for his/her personality, the caustic wit and comebacks: RTFP!) and gives us another chance in the near future. It's fair to say that a big lesson has been learned and I bet, should Ed002 come back, they would be treated as a King or Queen.

However, in the meantime, I've taken to reading the other rumours sites and seeing if I can make any deductions about our targets from there (ie Clyne, Scheiderlin, Firmino), which, while time consuming, is good fun. Ed002 refuses to mention our name, but we can't be blocked out completely! And you get to read CTR's hero-worship on the Arsenal site! (Hope big day goes well!)

And the other Eds on this site have been magnificent lately, particularly Ed001/4/25 and there was a new fella a few weeks ago who had a great tone of voice.

And love reading the banter on here from the regulars ( you know who I mwan!) particularly Shappy, whose insights are really well explained, and he seems to have come back onto the site recently. Just viewing the posts today: evaluating goalkeepers/great analysis of Cillesson, tables for Chris's wedding (very funny!) make this site an essential daily (well hourly!) read and well worth seeing that old slapper staring at us from the top of the page in the banner ad.

So yes, miss Ed002 and it would make my day to read of their return, but it won't be the end of the world if not as this site, with all the regulars, is already pretty amazing.

Amen

15 Jun 2015 14:23:25
I see that Madrid are advertising their new kit with Bale, Ronaldo and Benzema joining Ramos and Marcelo in the official club photos.

Does that mean that they will all be at Madrid next season or am I just looking for hidden meanings here?

15 Jun 2015 14:26:46
Their most marketable players and fan favourites, it's what every club does.

15 Jun 2015 14:50:14
Out of interest Casillas is also on the pictures

15 Jun 2015 14:55:46
In one of the pics Casilas is front and centre, so that must mean they aren't trying to sign De Gea ;)

15 Jun 2015 15:03:23
I think we may have done the same with Welbeck last year, doesn't mean much, wish it did though.

15 Jun 2015 15:11:20
There is another version with Casillas front and centre. As Nathaniel said, it is probably just that they are the most marketable players rather than anything else.

Fingers crossed it doesn't though and means De Gea is staying (longshot I know!!)

15 Jun 2015 15:33:58
Can't tell if you are joking here JMB. There is a post like this every year regarding the united team photo's, Ronaldo is on it so he can't be leaving!!! Oh.

15 Jun 2015 15:35:00
Another way of looking it, at the company you work for does the Head of Marketing and Media also double up as procurement manager?

15 Jun 2015 15:57:05
Ah perhaps I shouldn't mention it but wasn't our Season Ticket club renewal photo with a certain ex manager photo shopped to exclude him? Photos mean little if nothing at all

15 Jun 2015 23:49:27
You are forgetting we are in the 21st Century & ANY CLUBS NEW KIT ADVERTISEMENT, Can be photoshopped to replace players who have been sold with players who have been bought. Therefore new kit or team photos can be done at any time as they can also be edited at any time.

15 Jun 2015 14:10:35
Just had a look on the Southampton page to see if there were any Schneiderlin updates and found that United might be offering Hernandez as part of a deal with a Spanish club.

Only deal I could think of would be Otamendi and then Hernandez to go to Valencia since it doesn't look like Hernandez will be going back to Real as part of a Bale or Benzema deal, though we can dream. Obviously this is a guess but if this happened and knocked down the price of Otamendi by £8m-10m then I think it's a great bit of business for both sides. We'd have a top class defender and Valencia would get a striker who could partner Alcacer and also play a role off the bench.

15 Jun 2015 13:49:49
someone on the city page posted apparent opening day fixtures that have been leaked,

if true they are as follows

AFC Bournemouth v Manchester United
Arsenal v Norwich City
Liverpool v Watford
Manchester City v Tottenham Hotspur
Southampton v Everton
Stoke City v Crystal Palace
Sunderland v Aston Villa
Swansea City v Chelsea
West Bromwich Albion v Newcastle United
West Ham United v Leicester City

{Ed004's Note - Would prefer to start with a home game}

15 Jun 2015 14:55:48
Wouldn't like to be away at Bournemouth oleving day, would be a cracking atmosphere tho.

15 Jun 2015 15:35:51
City have requested their first game be away from home as they will not have completed work on their stadium, so these are highly unlikely.

15 Jun 2015 18:55:58
I'd take Bournemouth away first game any day. A nice sunny August day at the beach. Great away day!

15 Jun 2015 21:25:01
Half hour from me. Ground only holds about 11k though. I think it may be the smallest capacity in premier league history.

15 Jun 2015 10:10:13
About ten years or so ago £50million would buy a Zidane or a Figo. Now it would buy you a Sterling or a Kane.

How messed up is that?

15 Jun 2015 11:20:32
Inflation is a wonderful thing.

15 Jun 2015 11:23:47
If Kane has one more good season they will nearly value him in the same region as messi,the money side of the game is crazy!

15 Jun 2015 11:42:38
Anon - there is inflation and then there is hyper inflation on anabolic steroids!

Leahy - Its scary to think that we could be involved in a tug of war with Real Madrid for Kane next season should he replicate the campaign just gone. £80million will be the opening offer!

15 Jun 2015 11:53:34
It does seem crazy, but I bet the amount of money in the game has increased a lot more as a percentage. I've got no problem with people coining it whilst they can (especially the people providing the so called "entertainment", but ultimately the game is suffering as a result.

I watch far too many players being pally pally with opponents pre game and even during game now, it's like their own little fantasy world. It's almost like they are all in on one big con, the more I watch football the more it reminds me of US Wrestling, it's almost fake now with minimal contact, players saying and doing things from a virtual script, managers and clubs telling blatant lies, the media telling blatant lies. It's all one big extravagant money making exercise dressed up as competitive sport.

The money is killing it, everything is so superficial and the transfer prices reflect that.

15 Jun 2015 11:58:19
Depay @ 22m looks like a bargain right now

15 Jun 2015 12:40:33
Jeez, Beast. I thought I had a downer on the modern world! I agree totally, though :)

15 Jun 2015 12:43:06
Zidane these days would be 100m+ figo about 90m.
Both class Zidanes one of the GOAT.

15 Jun 2015 12:50:49
PSG Signed Moura and Silva for £35Million, Athletico Madrid signed Falcao from Porto for £35Million. Liverpool signed Andy Carroll for £35Million. Just let that sink in!

15 Jun 2015 13:48:41
And Chelsea signed Torres for 50m and we signed ADM for 60m, I don't understand what you're all getting at. You choose bargains and use them as tools to back up your arguments and just ignore all other big deals, like you could say Rooney for £30m 10 years ago was the same as Kane/Sterling £50m now, but that wouldn't back up your argument that there's no value would it?

15 Jun 2015 14:03:21
Not sure there is an argument going on? Isn't the discussion which everyone seems to be in agreement on, about how ridiculous money has become in the game now?

15 Jun 2015 14:09:07
Some people will find an argument in anything Ports.

15 Jun 2015 14:25:40
That is true JMB.

15 Jun 2015 14:43:07
I wasn't on about you specifically, just all I've seen for the last few days is that every English player is overpriced and not good enough and you could've got 50 Roy Keanes for the price of Sterling. Took it out on the wrong guys, sorry haha.

15 Jun 2015 14:49:06
No they won't, JMB.

15 Jun 2015 16:21:56
Hahahahaha 99

15 Jun 2015 15:37:17
They will Stevie, you are an idiot.

15 Jun 2015 10:13:16
{Ed001's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, The Rooney Conundrum

15 Jun 2015 11:56:07p
Good read that Ed, spot on really, found some middle ground there I think between the 2 camps wkrhstswer your summary but as you say I'm sure the debate will continue until we move away from 1 up top at least.

14 Jun 2015 17:46:50
Hi all, because the prediction comp run last year for top4bottom 3 was so successful I would like to run a comp for predicting a new signings /players sold or released this transfer window including 1total figure of nets spend.
EDS would it be possible to keep all entries on 1 thread ?
5 points for each correct new signing
3 points for each correct out going player
Tie breaker will be net spend
Points only awarded to recognised 1st team squad players and depay is included
I would like ed 001to confirm any transfer prices as tabloids always wrong EDS word will be final.
Closings date for entries Tuesday 16th June 9pm
I'm sure it will prove to be difficult to stop heart ruling head
Bonus points will be awarded to Ronnie if he predicts teilmans correctly
THE FOLLOWING IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE FORMAT FOR ENTRIES
INS, stones Coleman humells gundogan depay benzema
OUTS Rafael Jones de gea nani falcao rvp
NET SPEND 86million

Sorry for longboat but its time to put yourselves in the real world.
Cheers

{Ed033's Note - Form to enter data for the ins and outs competition

15 Jun 2015 08:37:35
INS: Depay, Clyne, Otamendi, Gundogan, Kane

OUTS: RVP, Falcao, Rafael, De Gea, Evans, Januzaj(loan)

NET SPEND: 92 Million

15 Jun 2015 09:01:52
Ins: Depay, Gundogan, Otamendi, Schweinsteiger, Firmino, Coleman
Outs: Rafael,Nani,Evans, Falcao, De Gea, (Wilson/Januzaj Loaned)
Net Spend: 90 Million

15 Jun 2015 09:09:34
INS : Depay ,Clyne , Otamendi , Schweisteinger , Gundogan , Kane
OUTS : RVP ,Falcao , Nani , Rafael , Hernandez , Evans , Cleverley
Net Spend : 97 Million

15 Jun 2015 09:54:43
Ins - depay, otamendi, firmino, schneiderlin, clyne

Out - nani, chicha, evans, Rafael

Net spend - 85m

15 Jun 2015 10:09:59
INS: lloris, clyne, hummels schneiderlin, gundogan, depay

OUTS: de gea, Evans, nani, cleverly, hernandez

Net spend 95m

No one think we're going to buy a keeper then?

15 Jun 2015 10:17:13
INS: Muslera, van der Wiel, Otamendi, Schniederlin, Firmino, Depay.

OUTS: DDG, Rafael, Evans, Cleverley, Nani, Hernandez, Falcao,

15 Jun 2015 10:22:59
Ins- Depay: Jav.Martinez :Otomendi :Clyne : Stones :Fraser Forster : Kane : Bale : Carvalho

Outs -De Gea : Evans : Jones : Di Maria : Nani :Lindegard :Mata

15 Jun 2015 10:24:28
Net spend :127 million

15 jun 2015 10:24:54
ins: depay,hummels,otamendi,clyne,bernard mensah,schneiderlin,gundogen,kane,cech= £212mil or there abouts

out:van persie, hernandez, nani, cleverly, evans, raphael, de gea(wish would stay),£85mil more or less.

spend:127mil


depay kane rooney


xschneiderlin herrera
gundogen


shaw otamendi hummels clyne


cech

subs:wilson,mensah,di maria,valencia,valdes,januzaj,smalling

15 Jun 2015 10:52:18
Ins: Depay, Lloris, Schneiderlin, Otamendi, Firminho
Out: Evans, Cleverley, DDG, Nani, Lingard

Net: 87 mil

15 Jun 2015 11:00:19
Ins: Lloris, Clyne, Otamendi, Schneiderlin, Depay, Firmino, Kane (Deadline Day).

Out: De Gea, Rafael, Evans, Nani, Hernandez (and obviously Cleverley and Falcao too since people are still listing them!)

Net Spend: £143 million.

{Ed004's Note -
Ins: Cech, Coleman, Otamendi, Schneiderlin, Gundogan, Depay, Kane
Out: De Gea, Rafael, Evans, Cleverley, Nani, Hernandez, Perriera (loan), Januzaj (loan), RVP, Falcao
Net spend - £110 million}

15 Jun 2015 13:26:50
Ins: Otamendi, Firminho, Coleman, Bacca, Depay

Outs: Cleverley, Evans, Nani, Van Persie, Rafael

Net Spend: £110 million

(Gonna be stupidly optimistic and say we keep De Gea)

15 Jun 2015 13:29:19
Ins:
Handanovic, Coleman, Garay, Gundogan, Cabaye, Depay,


Outs:
De Gea, Evans, Cleverley, Nani, Hernandez, Falcao

Net spend - £45m

15 Jun 2015 13:38:55
INS- depay, hummells, schneiderlin,gundogan,bale, kane, cech, clyne

outs - nani, evans, cleverly, falcao, ddg, varela, hernandez, henriquez, powell(loan) rvp, rafael.

net spend between 120-130 million

15 Jun 2015 14:45:14
In's: Depay, Cillissen, Darmain, Otamendi, Schneiderlin

Out's: De Gea, Lindegaard, Rafael, Cleverly, RVP, Falcao, Januzaj (Loan)

15 Jun 2015 14:45:48
In: Cilleson, Clyne, Otamendi, Schneiderlin, firmino

Out: de Gea, Rafael, Evans, cleverly, Hernandez, falcoa, van persie, Nani

Net spend approx 95m

15 Jun 2015 14:58:30
Ins- Krul, clyne, Otamendi, gundagon, Firmino, depay, Mitrovic.
Ours- DDG, Rafael, Evans, Anderson, Nani, Hernandez, Falcao, Januzaj (loan), Wilson (loan)
Net Spend £87m

15 Jun 2015 17:42:13
Ins- ciilissen, otmaendi, depay, Kellet, schneidelin, firmino, dourrado, darmian, naiggolan, cavani.

Outs- degea, lindergaard, Evans, Raffael, cleverly, mata, Powell, chicharito, Nani, ADM, Henriquez, RVP.

Net spend £80m

15 Jun 2015 19:26:39
Ins; cillisson, depay, schneiderlin, firmino, van dee weil, otamendi

Outs; falcao, cleverly, de gea, Nani, chicha, evans

Net spend; 74mil

15 Jun 2015 19:34:19
Ins: Depay, Hummels, Gundogan, Otamendi, Schweinsteiger, Muller, Van der Wiel.
Outs: Rafael,Nani,Mata, Evans,Cleverley, Falcao, De Gea, henriquez, Chicarito, (Wilson, powell & Januzaj Loaned)
Net Spend: 85 Million

15 Jun 2015 19:34:36
Ins: Depay, Lloris, Schneiderlin, Otamendi, Firminho,Gundagon
Out: Evans, Cleverley, DDG, Nani, Lingard,Hernandez, Rafael

Net: 100 million

15 Jun 2015 19:35:32
Ins
Cilesson, clyne, otamendi, gundogan, mensah, Kane, firminio, depay

Outs
De gea, lindegaard, Evans, nani, Hernandez, RVP, Blackett

Net spend: 98m

15 Jun 2015 19:35:46
ins. depay schneiderlin cech clyne kane
hummels.
out hernandez nani powell rvp henriquez rafael evans lindegaard cleverly.
net 135

15 Jun 2015 20:07:27
Ins: Depay, Firminho, Otamendi, Howedes, Schwiensteiger, Schneiderlin, Handanovic

Out: Nani, Chicharito, Mata, DDG, Henriquez, Cleverly, Evans, Rafael

Net Spend: £97.5 m

15 Jun 2015 21:28:04
Forgot GK Begovic

16 Jun 2015 00:49:13
Forgot de gea out

16 Jun 2015 04:15:28
Ins: Hummels, Coleman, Schneiderlin, Kondogbia, Depay, B. Mensah, Dourado

Outs: De Gea, Rafael, Evans, Cleverly, Nani, Falcao, Van Persie, Hernandez, Powell, Lindegard and Januzaj loan

Net spending: 90m

16 Jun 2015 08:41:56
Ins: Depay, Krul, Clyne, Gundogan, Otamendi, Schneiderlin and Firmino

Outs: Hernandez, Rafael, Lindegaard, Evans, De Gea, Cleverley, Nani, Falcao (loan ended), Januzaj (loan), Powell, Periera (loan), Henriquez, Wilson (loan)

Net spend - £92m