Manchester United Banter Archive May 15 2012

15 May 2012 22:27:22
i meant to include carrick/cleverly/scholes to the line up.

15 May 2012 21:35:21
Firstly as much as it pains me to say this but well done man city for winning the league! Even with the money spent u still have to push hard to win the league. Now on to transfers...I'm afraid that I'm not a friend of a united youth team player or Alex fergusons horse groomer, this is all just opinion but going on past history I'd take a punt that kagawa is pretty much a done deal barring and out of this world wage requests. This would give us a cracking goal threat from genuine attacking midfielder. Park and Anderson really need to go as they are taking up essential squad positions and wages that can be better used elsewhere.
Man city will probably attempt to bid for Eden hazard but I'm hoping that the ferguson personal touch and regular football can convince him to join the red part of Manchester. Ferguson is usually better than most at punting a good case for united forward. This would give us a genuine left footed gem who can play on the wing, in the centre of floating behind Rooney and we all know fergie loves player who can play in multiple positions. I'm really unsure we will go for a defensive midfielder as fergie doesn't go for them, remember that keane and ince where box to box. A combination of fletcher, carrick, giggs and schole will suffice for another season as long as we secure hazard and kagawa.
I'm feeling the Dortmund lewandski can be got due to his contract running down as long as we can shift berbatov, Owen and the perennial under achiever/twitter whore macheda.
Debuchary would be an right back to give our defense more balance and with vidic back Evans could provide cover for evra with fabio gaining experience while in a year long loan with porto.
Finally I think that if Dortmund showed any sort of hint they may sell hummels then I would be adverse to either vidic of Ferdinand being sold to free up squad space for a much younger world class centre back. Preferably Ferdinand of the two due to age.
I know ferguson has been quoted as saying 3 additions were needed but I believe if he was able to shift fringe player like park, Anderson and other mentioned then this number of additions could increase.
Let's not forget kovacic is on a free so could be purchased as a more long term project. God I ramble. If ferguson could achieve all I have just mentioned then we really would be a team to be feared even by the might of barca. But remember that we would have 1 advantage on top of all these positive changes! Fergie! The man can take an ordinary united side and go to the last day of the season still hunting for the title.

Ro55ie

15 May 2012 21:48:13
Can't see us signing hazard as city will get him...chelski wouldn't sell torres to us in a million years...think fergie will go under the radar again...in some respects this year we over achieved and with the boys now blooded I think the likes of Jones, young, wellbeck et al will start to really shine next year. Keep the faith

15 May 2012 20:57:24
Red Man

Since you've been watching for so long (being there makes absolutely no odds), you'll notice that we mainly buy young players, not ready made 'WORLD CLASS' players. That's Real Madrid's thing.

I remember the city match well. I also remember well the European performances. I would like to remind you that there are 2 centre backs. In my opinion, Evans has been the one holding it together after an underrated start to the season.

It's got everything to do with the tabloids (possibly the mail), everything you spout is straight off the back of some rag. Our team needs 'World class' signings or we'll become the noisy neighbours? Seriously, do you actually think that? If so, have yourself checked out.

Percy

15 May 2012 20:49:16
Ash young just scored a freekick,

1st time this season we have direct from a freekick.

cban {Ed004's Note - Didn't Rooney score two at Arsenal mate}

15 May 2012 19:42:26
Roberto Mancini has stated there will be a new face at City in the summer. Tevez and Lescott are fighting over who gets it!

15 May 2012 19:41:29
Ah TK mate I just checked to find me languishing in a lowly 79th.

Least I beat Bond! Haha

Jono {Ed007's Note - Every player I picked ended up out with long term injuries, bans or benched. That is my final comment, there was no value in the market.}

15 May 2012 19:18:24
David Gill announces on TV that United will compete this summer in the transfer market with Citys spending power and also confirmed that they have already got a list of targets they want to sign but not confirming names or how many will be signed. Sounds good imo. What about you guys did you see this?

15 May 2012 18:59:50
Just a quick note on Hazard! He was supposedly at the Etihad for the City v Utd game?!?

Is it feasible that he could've been there as a guest of one of the two clubs and, as it was at City, maybe their guest so personally I think he'll sign for them...really hope I'm wrong as he is class!

However, no player is bigger than United and if they don't have their heart set on United then I don't want them! We want players who play for the shirt not for ££££££

redfrosty7

15 May 2012 18:22:19
Posted from Man City Banter page

"I am just glad i changed my allegiances from chelsea to man city in time for the title win, no doubt if city return to their traditional losing ways i will find another top team to support

MCFC 4 EVER"

If this isn't a joke, that is one sad individual

15 May 2012 17:49:05
we need
2 full backs one to play on the right and one to cover evra
2 center mids we need a player like yaya toure that can break play up but can also go foward and we also need a plyer athat can play them killer balls that will split the defence open.
1 foward we need another 20+ goals a seanson as we cant alway count on rooney to score all of our goals.

full backs:
banies
izaguirre
van der wiel
debuchy

center mid
martinez
busquets
schweinsteiger
cabaye
ozil
hazard

forwards
falcao
huntelaar

we also need someone that is willing to try and take on defenders as they know they have the skill to beat them like ronaldo did

players like
neymar
ben arfa

15 May 2012 17:39:06
The 1-6 derby loss represented a 10 goal swing on the goal difference. Will be nice that now it will probably have no relevance but had it not been for that game we would of won this premiership very comfortably. Not bad for a team in transition.
It's still not over yet but surely no. 20 is on its way. 3 or 4 top signings this summer and a great side is forming again.

Supasub
Just looking in the archives from the day utd thought they had won the title think this was the one that tempted fate it would seem that goal difference meant everything in the end. Mo

If you read my post Mo, you'll see that I've used the key words "probably" & "not over yet". What is your point exactly? That my post was the tipping point in the title race? (have a quiet word with yourself) That game is now more relevant than ever. SAF was right when he said we should of shut shop at 0-3 down. There where several games where we threw it away, but ultimately we were undone by the last 60 seconds of the season as a result of things that had happened in previous games.
I stand by my post now(even if irrelevent) and we still need 3 or 4 top class players to make a great side. Tempting fate indeed.....winning the league is about results, simple.

Supasub

15 May 2012 17:26:01
I know it's already been a bad week for you utd fans but according to a financial expert on ssn winning the prem league this season and all the extra revenue generated by this win will mean city will be able to comply with all the fair play rules and I know a lot of you were relying on these rules to halt city's surge to the top of English and eventually European football this isn't my opinion but that of an expert. Mw

15 May 2012 16:59:02
My predicted Euro 2012 Squad
GK
Joe Hart Robert Green Jack Butland

Defenders
Kyle Walker Phil Jones Rio Ferdinand Gary Cahill Joleon Lescott Leighton Baines Ashley Cole

Midfielders
The Walcott Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain Michael Carrick Steven Gerrard Frank Lampard Scott Parker Gareth Barry Ashley Young

Forwards
Daniel Sturridge Daniel Welbeck Wayne Rooney Andy Carroll Jermaine Defoe

Starting 11
Hart
Walker Ferdinand Cahill/Lescott Cole

Parker Barry/Gerrard

Oxlade Chamberlain Rooney/Gerrard Young

Welbeck

With Rooney playing after his ban and gerrard dropping back. Barry will play first two games.

fearny {Ed004's Note - No Terry then?}

15 May 2012 16:31:14
True to his word SAF has a strong side at Windsor tonite for Harry Greggs testimonial - looking forward to it

15 May 2012 16:28:07
Ed or anyone else, I was wondering whether or not there is likely to be any movement in the assistant manager position over the summer.

I have plenty of respect for Phelan, but I personally feel that he himself, and his "ethos", for lack of a better word, are wrong for this club and the way we are supposedly trying to shape our team.

I know it's been discussed before, but is there anything actually being lined up, or is it completely unrealistic that he will be replaced?

TM

15 May 2012 16:10:00
I never post about signings because i honestly havnt got a clue and ive no contacts in the game, just a supporter, But i dont think Hazard will sign for us, I think he will sign for City if im honest

As for people on here saying that Diame at Wigan would be a great signing, Are you for real? He is average at best, Nowhere near a top 6 team IMO, I think he'll end up at Swansea, Sunderland, Liverpool or Norwich

Dylan

15 May 2012 15:38:44
hows it goin boyz just herd hazard has said he'll be playin in manchester next season. If he really wants to play for united why want he just say it probably because he wants as much money as he can get. anyway if we did both get hazard and kawaga what would be ur front 6?

Jones
Kawaga Hazard
Valencia Nani
rooney

probably our best front 6 with those two additions?

15 May 2012 15:15:38
To everybody who says our team is poor and we are finished. If our team is that poor and we finished second on goal difference then imagine next season when we are better and what we can do then! Write united off at your peril you citeh and scouse muppets!!

15 May 2012 14:39:06
just thought I'd share some of the banter on sh*teh page... there seems to be a real mixed opinion amongst football fans in general about city winning the league- some are ok with it, whilst others hate the idea of sugar daddies."Get a life Gooner Man u bought the league for a long time"


yeah, with the *clubs* money a big difference than being *subsidised* by a sugar daddy- there is nothing unique or exciting about that, it could happen to pretty much *any* club, thats the point.


that is exactly the reason for the fairplay rules coming into effect soon- but no doubt your club well find a way around that and continue to spend beyond your clubs 'realistic' means.


But enjoy it if it makes you happy- personally I would feel like my club has almost cheated its way to the top.


genuine congratulations, but sorry that's why i will always have more respect for the likes of newcastle, everton, etc.

15 May 2012 14:10:23
can some one tell me when a player is priced at 33 million and upwards people say it's out of uniteds reach. If its the glazers theres your answer why we arent as good as city, real, barca, cos they do sign players of that price. It's what you have to do...

15 May 2012 13:35:36
Hummels(20m)
Sissokho(loan) or clyne 3m
Martinez(25-30)
Kagawa/Hazard(10-12)(25-35)
MAYBE rodriguez if nani leaves(20m)
Lewandowski(15m)-75mil spent if we don't go for hazard

Kuzckak(2m)
Fabio(loan)
Park(5-7m)
Anderson(10-12) maybe exchange or loan
Nani(20-25) class but inconsistent
Owen(1m)
Berba(7-5m)
Macheda(4m)-round about 45mil of players sold so net spend would be around 30 mil, then our live up could be:
De gea
Clyne. Vidic. Hummels. Evra
Martinez
Valencia. Young/Rodriguez
Scholes/Kagawa
Rooney. Lewandowski
not saying it will all happen but I've heard we are definitely in for kagawa and martinez

MR.MUFC {Ed004's Note - All that money spent yet you still keep Evra as our starting left back. I think it would cost a lot more than 20 million to get Hummels}

15 May 2012 12:45:12
Firstly i would like to congratulate City on their win (although i almost threw a bottle into the tele when Aguero scored that goal). Reading some of the posts on here though you would think they won it by a country mile. Yes we haven't been at our sparkling best this season, but its nowhere near as bad as people on here are making it out to be.

When you look at our most disappointing days of the season, its mostly been a shaky defense rather than the attack that has been in question. Vidic and Fletcher have been terribly missed. We saw what happened to City when they didn't have Yaya Toure and Kompany and its easy to say we have a bad squad, but some of the goals we have let in this season, would simply not have gone in if Vidic and Fletcher would have been playing. I know there are doubts over how good Vidic will be when he comes back, but his game was never reliant on pace and he certainly cannot lose his aerial presence in the box which we missed the most.

Something else that we have lacked this season, is a quality striker to finish chances off. Its only so good criticizing the midfield all of the time, but when you look at some of the sitters Hernandez has missed over the course of the season, its not hard to know why we lost it on goal difference. Valencia and Young have put in fantastic crosses into the box only for them to see that nobody was there to finish them off, take intelligent positions or head them in with real power.

Gary Neville has come out and said today that a lot of quality players might not be available this year, well i disagree with him strongly. This is one of the summer where i think a lot of players will be available and City can't buy them all. Just look at this list :-

Full Backs- Clyne, Izaguirre (both would be here next season if you ask me)

Center Backs- Benatia, Vertonghen

AM- Kagawa, Muniain, Eriksen, (all would be available if the price is right)

CM- Modric, Strootman.

Wingers- Hazard, Rodriguez, Gaitan. (Again all would be available at the right price)

Strikers- Cavani (a dream come true if we sign him imo), RVP (subject to his contract talks of course), Villa (yes he is coming back from an injury, but he will be available and certainly would be taking a look at when Berba and Owen leave), Lewndowski (mostly trying to get a better deal though)

City certainly can't buy them all, neither can RM, most are gettable imo. Everybody seems to think we may miss out on Hazard, Muniain would be a quality option to fall back upon. I have left out Martinez since Bilbao are not prepared to sell him and would rather let Muniain go.

Hazard/Muniain, Kagawa, Villa, Izaguirre, Clyne would be a very good summer imo, especially if we manage to keep Pogba which is a big if. All of them are very much gettable. Some might say Villa is past it, but i think in today's market he is definitely worth taking a look at. We may also be interested in Modric if the price is right, although a lot depends on the CL final as well. Strootman is another interesting player whom i like a lot.

On the departures, i think Berba, Owem, Macheda, Anderson all need to be shown the door now. Nani is the controversial one of course and if a 25mil+ offer comes in, i think we should let him go.

So simply, there are a lot of very good players that we can go for in the market this year and there will be no excuses if the "no value" banner comes out, although SAF hasn't said that for a couple of years now.

The most important signing we should make this season is getting SAF a new no.2 though. Some of the tactical errors this season have just been aweful and made us look a lot worse than the quality we have, especially in Europe.

Also why does David Gill bother saying a word? Doesn't he know that anything he says simply gets twisted and turned the way the fans want to?

REDFAITH

15 May 2012 13:28:03
hi eds, these are my views abt the transfer activity at old trafford this summer

striker: with berba, owen, macheda expected to leave. expect us to buy a strriker

winger: i dont think Hazard is coming to us because he is mainly a right winger and with valencia, nani, young, park in the ranks who can fill the position it does make sense to pay 30-40 million for a right winger
wat we are in for is a left footed winger someon like bale or gaitan. i m not saying that we will get them but may be we will go for some one unknown who is on the cheap

midfield: i think kagawa is likely to come to old trafford so unless fletcher is unable to recover from his illness and pogba leaves we will not go for anyone else

defence: i think we will buy a full back who will be cheap

all in all i expect us to spend 25 to 40 million on 2 or 3 players
thank u

15 May 2012 12:16:41
Also apart from Tevez and his banner the city players were all scruffy and the person Balotelli didn't even go with the team he was there with his mates supposedly,

Pardoe

15 May 2012 11:43:43
Im sure lots of you dont care about the Fantasy Football but for those that do; The final day of the season saw a change at the top of the table. A good week for Carolina Blue saw them pip On The Up to the post by a single point. The top 10 was as follows:

1. Carolina Blue - 2,164pts
2. On The Up - 2,163pts
3. John Terry's Tears FC - 2,155pts
4. Theatre Of Trophies - 2,150pts
5. Chamack My Bitch Up - 2,140pts
6. 11_Pointscorers - 2,136pts
7. Sheperdspieunited - 2,134pts
8. Winning Mentality - 2,127pts
9. Deja Vu - 2,094pts
10. Square Baws - 2,087

And a special mention to Ed007 who crept into the top 150 with a total of 1,619pts ;)

TK-Red

15 May 2012 11:26:30
08 Apr 2012 19:23:27
The 1-6 derby loss represented a 10 goal swing on the goal difference. Will be nice that now it will probably have no relevance but had it not been for that game we would of won this premiership very comfortably. Not bad for a team in transition.
It's still not over yet but surely no. 20 is on its way. 3 or 4 top signings this summer and a great side is forming again.

Supasub
Just looking in the archives from the day utd thought they had won the title think this was the one that tempted fate it would seem that goal difference meant everything in the end. Mo

15 may 2012 09:34:26
baines is not good enough for man utd,period. evra is better in all areas.if we are gonna buy a lb would it not be a better idea to buy someone better than evra?we should concentrate on re-building the midfield.
quinner99

15 May 2012 09:22:19
After losing Morrison & Pogba I really hope
Fryers & M.Keane can be great squad players like Brown & O'Shea were.
Tunnicliffe turns out like a Butt or Fletcher.
Petrucci even if he turns out half as good as Scholes.
W.Keane like a little Bobby "Dazzler" Charlton or Hughes.

Let's hope these players of the future mirror our home grown talents from the past.

That's of course if we have to rely on our academy products.

15 May 2012 09:06:14
Hummells, Kagawa, Ledwinski, Sahin.

If we buy this lot then Goetz & Subotic in jan we should change our name to Manchester U-Dort-ed.

First we were buying Balse's Frei, Xhaka, Shaquiri
then the whole Ath. Bilboa first XI.
Then some of us would be happy with Baines, Felliani, Barkley from Everton. Tiote, Cabaye, Ba from Newcastle.
Bale, Modric from Spurs.

Truth is we will get a hell of a lot of players from one club.
CLUB DEPORTIVO From Brazil. All the scraps that no big team in Brazil wanted to take a chance on. Like Glenn Hoddles Spanish training camp. We've already seen one product Rafael Leao.......? who I hear you say......
Only played a few reserves and went back cause he was shocking :-(.

15 May 2012 03:34:31
Good morning all,

Watched SSN when I could today, watched MOTD and Football First last night, it was hard but feel better after it, I know that sounds strange, now don't get me wrong, it was hard watching, thinking about what might of been but then there was Carlos Tevez. This is the same man that f**ked off back to Argentina for six months, showed nothing but disrespect for his club and team mates, has slagging matches with his manager via the media, comes back with his tail between his legs, does f**k all on the pitch and then celebrates on that bus this evening like he is some form of god, and as for that banner/poster, well that just shows he lacks the inteligence, integrity and respect required to be a professional footballer. It also highlighted the real difference between us and city, and thats class.
Take the fans, had to laugh at the lads trying to get back into the stadium after they walked out after 90 mins. Its the last home game of the season, you stay and applaud the team win lose or draw. Even Chelsea fans are better than that.
The players, now don't get me wrong, in my opinion there are some top blokes at chitey i.e Harte, Kompany and Adam Johnson. But then there's the mercenaries, Nasri(went to chitey for an extra 10k a week to play in a team that totally went against his style of play), Tevez(not wasting anymore time typing bout this piece of brain dead garbage), Balotelli(poor excuse for a human being), Dzeko(couldn't shut up talking up clubs he wanted to join in the summer when chitey were in there slump).
Total lack of class shown by all but hey I suppose its the nature of the beast, mo money mo problems lol.

On a more serious note I see all these reports regarding Hazard, saying he will be in Manchester next season, he is going to s**tey, another nasri, better off without

good night and god bless

lorcan

14 May 2012 23:53:00
"Evolution not revolution.

DodgyBanter"

Spot on.

Joe