Manchester United Banter Archive May 15 2018

 

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15 May 2018 22:40:23
hmmm uhhh, Deadpool and Manchester United.

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16 May 2018 09:52:53
Jose says that Shaw’s acting wasn’t up to scratch, dropped for cup final.

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15 May 2018 21:45:26
I’d like to congratulate Widow T****y on getting his team to the Championship play off final. Steve Bruce, United legend, pantomime dame, maybe not a Manager of the highest level but he knows how to get a team promoted. Top man.

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15 May 2018 22:09:13
Lol, I love that part of a word has been deemed too rude to show. Brilliant.

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{Ed007's Note - It's the filter we use lol It used to do it with Scunthorpe as well - in fact it might have just done it.}

15 May 2018 22:12:06
Hard not to lime the bloke.

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{Ed007's Note - He can be a bit of a lemon but I'd like to see Villa come back up and Bruce the limeable bloke has had a real tough time lately in his personal life so to go through all that and still do what he's done in his job he deserves it.}

15 May 2018 22:58:29
He is very limeable would love to see him do well.

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15 May 2018 23:55:17
He's a cordial bloke.

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16 May 2018 07:28:11
Villa need to stay down for a while longer and contemplate how much they stunk the Prem out last time they was here, play offs suck imo, Fulham finished above the rest therefore deserve to go up not have to play teams they’ve been better than over 46 games.

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15 May 2018 21:07:26
Ed´s quick question. How does the change in the days the market opens for england clubs affect´s their transfers? I understand that starting in thursday the premier league clubs can start to buy and sell players between them, and I understand that premier league clubs can sell but not buy players after the 9 of August until the 31.
Does these means that they can't buy players from other leagues until June and in May we would only see transfer within the PL? . I understand that a team can negotiate with a player and a team months before and in theory these would only affect the "official paperwork" but I just want to clarified this. Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - all it means is that the window to buy players is smaller. Outs can go on at any time, so long as the buying club's window is open, which is why Zlatan left in mid-season.}

15 May 2018 20:44:29
Ed001 - Both Manchester clubs seem to be interested in Fred. What do you make him? Strengths/ weaknesses? I know next to nothing about him so appreciate any analysis.

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{Ed001's Note - not seen him play to be honest, sorry.}

15 May 2018 17:45:12
Just some food for thought, over the years I have had some discussion/ arguments with shappy over various things, one was Jose.

I wanted Jose at the club I though he was what we needed a big enough personality to manager a club like United. A serial winner .

Shappy never, he said the style of football would be poor, I argued he was over reacting it wouldn't be that bad .
He argued the young players would be hung out to dry, he said martial would be gone in 2 year? I was adamant the cream rises martial and rash would kick on under Jose.

In short he argued Jose wasn't the right fit and he might well be right .

2nd in the league is about par for the course imo with the squad wage bill and money spent .
The football has been a lot worse than I was expecting tho but on the whole we look like a Jose team doing what Jose team do .
It looks worse because pep and city are outstanding, there is far more to the improvement in city than he "bough some full backs ". that's a ridiculous view imo .

I like Jose, wanted him at the club he is a great manager but I'm not sure he is the right manager for man United.

He will and rightly so be here for another 12 month but I would be surprised if he is still at the club after that.

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15 May 2018 18:24:38
This debate is more boring than the football.

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15 May 2018 18:55:07
A lot to agree with there jred.
The cream is rising to the top jose doest suffer weak hearted and weak minded players. Shaw blind darmian fellaini hardly started a dozen league games between them.
Martial may or may not leave but the choice will be his. He may decide to stay and fight for his place or he may think I have no chance here because the manager doesn't fancy me and i don't believe in the manager. If leaving is his choice then all the club can do is maximise his value. So far we have paid Monaco €39.5m and he is close to triggering 2 further €10m payments for scoring 50 club goals (still a bit away even after 3 seasons) and if he is named in the top 50 in the balon dor list no sign of that yet but it could happen I suppose.
The football has been dull, imo much duller than anything a jose team has produced before. You know my opinion on that. Imo its mainly down to the players.
Lots of money has been spent no doubt about it. But yet we have a squad with no proper full backs to speak of. A glaring deficiency for a playmaker in midfield and no right sided player despite everyone having a go.
I think he will address those issues in the summer and if he does improve the quality of player and gets the right blend then the quality of the play will improve a lot.

For me the biggest mistake jose made this season was his team selection at home to Seville I was there that night and it was awful and cost us our place in the last 8.

Totally agree that city's improvement is not only down to the full backs, their keeper was great for the most part sane improved out of sight kdb also and sterling also. But they will miss silva more than many think next season and reappearing this season's feats will be near impossible. Pep has done a great job there over the 2 seasons. But he has been fully backed bought 17 players and had the backing to cull his squad as he saw fit. He got players in ever position that could all fit into his system. If he had players that couldn't play his system or fit his thought process he does what he did the season before. How much did walker have to do with sterling's improvement? A lot I think. Creates space all the time for sterling giving him more time and space to play and run into.

I know you don't think anything will change next season no matter who we buy I beg to differ. He has as you say rightly another 12 months to get his squad together I think he will buy better quality players in some positions and i believe that will lead to better quality football to watch.
A sustained title challenge is what we all want and a trophy. That's what I want every season.
City have set a new benchmark. I think we will rise to the challenge.

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15 May 2018 19:51:57
Jred, when you've been on the site as long as me and you have then it's inevitable that opinions are going to clash at times. What I like about this site is it rarely gets beyond heated debate. There is a respect, whether that is strictly from the posters or because the Ed's make it so doesn't really matter to me.

What's important to remember is we are all on the same side and we all want what is best for our club.

Not that I'm keeping score but that 197 times I was right and 7 times you were. Lol.

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15 May 2018 21:12:19
Shappy
Lol don't always agree but I respect your opinion .
Ken
Is the cream really rising to the top? Same way KDB and co did .
City's biggest improvement is in the players they had but people like yourself struggle to get your head round that .
You say Jose hasn't got the players he wants but what you mean he hasn't got the players you want .
You have gone on and on and on about fellaini . A player Jose likes, not me or shappy ajh or many more but Jose.?
Smalling is another Jose first choice cb you don't rate him but Jose pick A him week After week?

Look at the abuse u give Valencia? Jose made him club captain .


Lol walker and sterling how does sterling play for England with walker . With out pep?
It's such basic opinion it's boring.

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15 May 2018 21:17:47
United addict
Unfortunately it's not.

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15 May 2018 21:47:02
Top post, it is rare for someone to admit they might have been wrong.

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15 May 2018 22:21:22
I can't get my head around the improvement in city players when I said sane sterling and kdb improved out of sight?
Just proving yourself to be a jerk and start a row. Funny little man you are😂😂😂.

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15 May 2018 22:19:12
Jred
And you supported the manager when he wanted ibra not me not park not angel jose.
Lol your double standards are legendary
Not tell me about the abuse I give valencia. Another of your traits is gross exaggeration when it suits.
When was last time walker played rb behind sterling on the right for England probably asked to do different jobs idiotic point.

Jose was quoted last week that he says he knows he has players that don't or can't cut it. So sounds like he hasn't got the players he wants.

I agreed with most of your post and you stll find a reason to have a poo. You can't help yourself😂😂😂😂😂.

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15 May 2018 22:24:42
Good post jred.

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15 May 2018 22:59:53
Cheers park lol Ken.

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15 May 2018 23:29:43
You can spell angel jred 🤣.

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16 May 2018 01:12:57
Jred and ken your passive aggressive relationship does make me giggle 😂. You guys need to get a room.

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15 May 2018 12:55:52
Shappy, I think you're one of the best posters on this site and its a pleasure to read your posts. But this idea that the be all and end all is about adhering to the club's ethos and tradition is just a romantic thought. The name of the game is putting pots in cabinets. Every United fan would love a team full of local lads born under the shadow of Old Trafford to dominate for years but that's never going to happen again.

Jose has done well playing homegrown players this year, yet you still manage to stick the boot in on this topic. Young players should be allowed to make mistakes I agree, but Rashford this year has been well below the standards he's set over the previous year. I think it was you (apologies if it wasnt) who said he gave McTominay an award just to show how great he was at playing youth. McTominay has been one of the highlights of the season for me and the lad looks a tidy player. The award shows every youngster at the club, if you apply yourself and do the job, you can get in this team. Next year the squad should have Rashford, McTominay, Lingard, Pereira and TFM. That's not a bad pool of players from the academy.

I'm with you on the style of football. Everyone wants to watch games on the edge of their seat and be entertained but you have to evolve to that stage. A team that has finished 7th, 4th, 5th, 6th and now second 2nd, can't just go gung ho. We need to be pragmatic on how we approach some matches (not all) . You'll be screaming at your screen no doubt saying Pep has done it at City. He has, they play some breathtaking stuff at times but that was down to the other 19 teams never putting preasure on them. The top teams couldn't keep the pace and the bottom teams consistently rolled over and had their bellies tickled, but that's one for the conspiracy page.

When Jose and Pep took over, off the top of my head I'd say De Gea and maybe Martial were the only two United players that would have gotten into that City team. Since then pep has bought 17 players, Jose has bought 8. The gap between us is pretty big. It might take a year or two to bridge that gap and Jose is the man to hunt city down.

You also say that Jose hasn't the best intentions for the club but only for himself. If Jose is doing well, then Manchester United are doing well. Before I go into the next part of my post, I'm 31, I was raised watching Sir Alex teams run amok for over two decades and just seein him in the stands always brings a smile to me face but the great man put himself before the club on many occasion.

He consistently forced players to join his brothers management firm. He announced mid season he was leaving the club in 2002 and cost us another league title because he wanted a better contract. The row with Magnier and McMagnus over the rights to a poxy horse set into a chain of events that shaped the club drastically. Fergie sued the majority share holders of Manchester United for 2.5 million pounds. They decide the sell all their shares to a Mr Glazer and we all know the rest. I'm sure there are a few more instances of Sir Alex putting himself first but as long as you're winning titles, it's all gravy!

It seems like I'm knocking Fergie but I'm not, I adore the man but fans look back over his tenure and I think they've reinvented some of the past. Does anyone remember that we were poison for most of the 20th title win? Do you care? Does it matter that the conveyor belt of youth stopped being produced for the last decade of Fergies tenure? Was it that big a deal? Every away game at Stamford Bridge, Anfield, later years the Etihad, any away game in Europe, we shut up shop and tried to nick a goal. Fergies bread and butter was not losing to our rivals away, and beat everyone else. Jose is adopting the same approach, we just need to more clinical against the lesser teams.

I'm not just signalling you out Shappy mate, I enjoy these debates because in the end we all want United to be successful, there's just many different roads to get there.

I'm genuinely curious though for all the fans who would like to see the back of Jose, who would you get and why?

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15 May 2018 13:13:19
One of the best posts I have read on this site mumbles. Outstanding, and I agree 100% with all of that.

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15 May 2018 13:29:16
Wow . Read it twice it's even better 😆😆.

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15 May 2018 13:42:31
Great post mate, had to agree twice.

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15 May 2018 13:54:33
Great post. Great examples of Fergie putting himself first.

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15 May 2018 13:55:11
Agree 100%. Great post .

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15 May 2018 13:55:15
Good post that mate.

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15 May 2018 13:59:42
Post. of. the. year.

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15 May 2018 14:16:47
That was a great mumble Mumbles.
I love the post and indeed read it twice and was impressed more. Well done. Post of the season.

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15 May 2018 14:30:47
Mumbles top post. For every ying there is a yang.
The bias coming groom certain posters is obvious. It appears as if There are a few that would like to see jose fail just because they can say told you so.
Each has their own opinion we all want the ssme thing ultimately which is a successful united team.

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15 May 2018 14:33:34
Brilliant post, agree 100%.

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15 May 2018 14:38:04
Top post. Agree totally.

Its bias/ hatred towards Jose that is obvious in some posters' posts. Negativity spreads like wildfire. It was a few to start with and then everyone hopped on that bashing.

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15 May 2018 14:51:45
Very Good post mate, a brilliant read thank you.

I've read the Jose debate with interest over the past couple of days and I must confess I can fall either side of the fence on any particular day.

What really swings it for me are the results and progress that has undoubtedly been made. 81 points, 19 clean sheets without having a particularly settled back four or any outstanding defenders (with the exception of De Gea), we've won every match when scoring the first goal an impressive 21 matches and reached another cup final so the results are there even if the performances have yet to come. The signs are ominous if you dare to look and believe in what the manager is trying to do.

We're now highly competitive despite still being in transition which shouldn't be underestimated.

I agree the style is poor, there is little doubt we're a hard watch and if they were giving out points for artistic impression we'd be mid table at best. The table doesn't lie though and there is no right or wrong way to play football. The only style that matters is the winning on.

I think there is still great suspicion around Mourinho in that he only wants to buy ageing, experienced players to play dull pragmatic football and at the end of it all we might have won some silverware but left saddled with a squad of expensive geriatrics with little thought for the future. I think this is a misconception for which there is little evidence. Lukaku, Pogba, Bailly and Lindelof are all young and yet to reach their peak and even Matic and Sanchez can still give good service to the Club despite their advancing years. Some are still suspicious of the fact he rarely spends longer that 3 years at any given Club but this may be because he's managed some of the biggest Clubs in the world who often sack managers as frequently as they change their first team strip. Then comes the implosion argument. It always falls apart in his third year. I think people should take comfort in the fact that Mourinho is a winner. He won't accept anything else from either his players or the Club. He'll keep pushing, fighting, demanding more. This may indeed see him fall out with certain players or even the board but he wants to win. My worst fear for Utd is a future spent in purgatory a manager who maintains the status quo, delivers top 4, plays attractive football, keeps the revenue steams and sponsors happy but delivers little. Mourinho will probably go one way or the other, he'll either be immensely successful or crash out in an explosive of argument and controversy.

I say for those that don't want to believe in Mourinho then trust in the numbers. The progress is tangible in the numbers and football cannot be measured by artistic impression. Mourinho will keep pushing, demanding, striving for more and for those that will never take to him he'll either deliver trophies or self destruct so it's a win/ win for you lot anyway.

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15 May 2018 15:51:34
Interesting post but I disagree with the conclusion and the angle. Obviously as we all support Utd we want to be on your side of the fence with this, but I'm keeping my red tinted specs off I'm afraid.

Every club will have its ups and downs, squabbling, mistakes, bad signings, bad decisions etc.

If you believe Jose is the man to take us forward then you can find good arguments for it, if you think he is another mistake then you can find a lot stronger arguments why that is the case in my opinion.

I would hire Jardim or another up and coming manager who doesn't think they are more important that the club - we need a young-ish manager with something to prove, a winning mentality, the desire to win games playing attacking football, proven ability at taking players and improving them, taking risks to win games.

Maybe pre-Pep the argument for Jose would be stronger, but we need an X factor now if we expect to compete at the top - on paper Jose has done fine, but fortunately football isn't played on paper. Our signings have been mostly poor, we look like a team lacking identity still, the progress of our talented players has been stagnant, big signings not pulling up trees - progress of our average/ squad players non-existent. It's all sub-par for me, aside from the points tally, which is benefiting from the poorness of the league and Jose's undoubted ability to grind out results. He is a master at this, but it isn't enough anymore.

The benchmark Jose is being judged on by his supporters is LVG - it's a false benchmark. We have never been more consistently poor on the eye, we are more solid but we lack so much going forward it makes me wonder if we do any work on attacking play in training at all. Frankly Jose has benefited from following an absolute fiasco of a manager, he has had 2 seasons, mega money and not one of our fans would seriously expect us to compete with City in the league or win the CL next season - that isn't enough progress and Jose is likely to implode there have been sparks galore all season - everything is on egg shells and our performances highlight that better than words can.

We all want Jose to take us to the next level, but all Jose has done is pull us closer to where we used to be, whilst looking like a team falling further behind.

If I were a Spurs, City or Liverpool fan I'd be more excited about next season than a Utd fan - that should tell us everything we need to know about what our future is likely to be under Jose (a lot like the past 2 years of hellish football)!

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15 May 2018 15:57:17
If we don't win the fa cup have we had a good season?

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15 May 2018 16:10:59
Tell us what you think jred.
I'd say the season was ok. But very good if we win the cup.
Liverpool will say the same i'm sure. Except they disproved in the league and done very well in cl. But win nothing and they will feel disjointed i'm sure.
Spurs threading water.

Chelsea disaster season along with arsenal we know what it's like without cl football. It's terrible.

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15 May 2018 16:13:34
Excellent post Mumbles and I'm virtually 100% in agreement with you.
But we mustn't forget that part of the club's ethos is playing attacking, exciting football. It's part of the club's heritage and identity and forsaking that does a disservice to the memory of the Busby Babes. And also the incredible achievement of Sir Matt Busby in winning the European Cup 10 years later. I still think it's the greatest achievement in any sport ever.
Of course we can't field a team of 18 year old Mancunians. But we could have that kind of spirit out on the pitch. Pep and his team's always seem to have the spirit of Cruyff about them. But we've had great players here, great managers here as well. The present manager and players should identify with that a bit more than they are.
I'm actually hopeful for next season, I think Mourinho will address what's needed and we will see more joie de vivre next season.

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15 May 2018 16:23:03
Beast I too am a massive fan of jardim. Think he is a brilliant manager and his Monaco side played some very attractive football a few seasons back. He also promotes youth and he won the league against a PSG side who have a bottomless pit of money. He would be a great appointment after Jose. But for me after Jose has finished his contract. It sends a wrong precedent if we are sacking him after finishing second in the league and potentially with a cup win. Imo we will sign some very good defensive players and some much needed midfielders and the squad Jose leaves for the next manager will be much better than the one he inherited. It’s too much of a risk sacking and hiring someone when quite frankly this squad is not as strong as the league table suggests. I know the football is dour but has done enough to earn another year for me. I know we will disagree on this but let’s get behind the manager and the team and see where next season takes us. You never know Jose may surprise a few.

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15 May 2018 16:46:39
Mumblea top post that. Just a reply down to shappy below.

What ethos and traditions are we talking about? .

I thought qe live in 2018 and not 1990s or eqrly 2000s.

Sports is about money just as much aa it is abount entertatinment.

If you want entertainment you might aa well watch sunday league or a comedy show and you will be entertained.

Jose didn't come to entertain anyone he came to pick United up for nit peforming dor 3 years.

He inherited a team full of ols players and players that were lucky they have won a premier league title. Whether that was down to genius of fergie or the league being poor.

I wouls aay it was a bit of both but it was more becauase of league being poor.

Fergie didn't always entertain he was just a winner like Mourinho.

Man city has tons of money, chelsea has loads, liveepool spend tons of money and Arsenal will too this year.

Do you just want to wait and get a young manager and then hope for things to work. Because all you can do is hope as the young manager wouldbt have no preivous record of winning titles where as with Mourinho he has won a title 2 yeara ago in emgland.

Back Mourinho give him the players he wants and then judge him.

We all just want to chop. and change each year and it hasn't got us no where for last 5 years.

The worse Mourinho will do is he will leave a set of top playera behind with a much better winning mentality after winning and 2 titles last years and hopefully winning another this week.

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15 May 2018 17:24:04
Even if we win the cup jred I don't think we've had a "good" season. I judge each year by the league table and second never sits right with me. That being said, even though we didn't have a "good" season, we have improved from last year in every area. As long as we are on the ascendancy, then I'm content.

Beast, Jardim who's had 5 manager jobs in 5 years before Monaco and won a Greek title and a French title? I enjoyed watching Monaco last year, they had a great team and played some exciting football but I certainly wouldn't be giving the keys to the kingdom to a manager with that sort of record.

Spurs, Liverpool and City fans will all be a lot more excited than united fans next year? Spurs are at the end of their cycle. That team has peaked and realistically have one more season before their better players leave. Liverpool fans need no help getting excited about anything and City fans are so excited, they can't even leave their houses to go to games. Speak for yourself mate but I'm really looking forward to next year.

I was happy when we showed heart and determination to come back against Palace. I was happy when we easily brushed Liverpool aside. The Fergie esc comeback against City. The big game performance against Spurs in the Semi final. And that was all in the space of a month! No one has ever accused you of having rose tinted specs mate but if you can't look at the positives after that month and see the potential instead of the negative and look forward to seeing what next year has in store then what's the point.

I just don't see how you can sack a manager with a CV like Jose after 2 seasons of bringing in trophies and improving us consistently? You have a filet steak sitting in front of you but youd rather a hamburger with a sparkler in it.

I watch every game with my dad. He's a pessimistic united fan. I'm an optimistic one. Being pessimistic is too easy. They want to have their cake and eat it too. If the crap hits the fan, the pessimistic fan gets to say "I was right, you're wrong! " If the pessimistic fan gets it wrong "I don't care, we won, that's all that matters"

I certainly think we can challenge next year. We could improve our tally of 81 points to 90+ and we're in the race!

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15 May 2018 17:25:54
Ken
Second in the league and hopefully an fa cup will be about par for the course imo. Second best squad in the league so, so so.
Lvg got joint 5th ( joint points with 4th ) won the fa cup and everyone wanted rid
Chelsea have shown they were not the team many liked to make out Costa was badley missed and morata is not a good enough replacement.


Spurs treading water . Wow tells me a lot .
3rd in the league again from a team with a wage bill 50% than the team pushing for top 4 and a net spend of 50 mil over 3 year .

Singh
Dear me awful post, clubs like United have a history and tradition never mind " do we live in the 2000s "
Madrid Munich barce all have a club tradition that they are proud of it's what sets them apart .
They also have glory hunting fans .

Do people think United will win the league next year then?

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15 May 2018 17:32:59
Jose has never been a long term manager, he doesn't build for the future he builds for the now.
3 year at a club, win move on .

It's served him well he has been a very succesful manager, but the signs are there. Football has moved on, the game different he just doesn't look the right fit at United.

For as good a manager as he is he was sacked in his last 2 jobs .
I think he will be at the club another 12 month and then one way or the other leave .

For all the people who keep saying he will get it right, why couldn't he turn Chelsea round, should they of stuck by him?

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15 May 2018 17:37:21
Happy you are optimistic, but I prefer to look at the evidence before my eyes. People take different things from a game of football, but 95% of games this season I have felt dejected and fed up after the show we put on. Expecting things to improve points wise is fair enough, but the other 3 clubs I mention play better football than us and look like improving. Not sure how you can say Spurs are at the end of a cycle, they look ready to kick on to me.

I'd love to hear the excuses given if we had to play at Wembley this year!

How many titles had Zidane won before beoming Madrid manager, how many people have even heard of half the Barcelona managers in recent years? A lot of people say give Jose time and money, but 2 years is a fair amount of time in modern football, especially if the product on the pitch shows little to no signs of improvement.

If I were a shareholder in Utd I'd be singing a different tune, but most of us won't be - we watch to enjoy the games. My points are still correct about the waste of money, failure from most big signings, treading water of the young stars we expected to be world beaters a couple of years ago.

We know what we are going to get, play bad football, but grind out results. Probably beat more teams than we draw with and sneak a few wins against big teams, but overall we rely on luck more than our ability - this is not the Man Utd most of us fell in love with, nor does it look like being under Jose, so why persist with hundreds of millions more being spent to paper over the obvious cracks?

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15 May 2018 18:03:24
Why does every other team improve but we simply paper over the cracks? My point about Spurs being at the end of their cycle is a very valid one. Poch won't be there for long, a year at best. When the buzz of the new stadium wears away and they go another season without silverware, then their better players especially the foreign lads will be on their way.

Liverpools forward line will do incredibly well if they call replicate this season in terms of numbers. Their style of play suits open games but I can guarantee you that most teams going to an field will shut up shop and that's were they struggle.

Pep asks a lot from his players. When they're winning it's all sweet as a nut. If it derails at all, problems could occur but they are without a doubt the ones to catch.

I personally think we have the bigger scope to improve. I think our forwards as an attacking until have been poor. It's partly down to the manager but also majorly down the the individuals. If we can get an extra 20% out of them and become more ruthless, with reinforcements in the transfer market I don't she why we can bridge the gap to at least challenge.

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15 May 2018 18:06:50
Jred it was a great post by singh. We don't have a great squad at all. so do you judge results on money spent on wages or on goals scored/ conceded?
Liverpool spent more than us this season and if they win nothing they have disimproved in the league then its a poor season imo.

Your right in your post above jose is a great manager yet you think nothing will improve next season very strange.

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15 May 2018 18:20:36
Beast with all due respect I can’t remember the last time you were positive or said a good thing about united. Even under Fergie in his last few seasons there was always something you had a moan about. In this instance I agree the football is very difficult on the eye but there is plenty to be positive about. There are some potentially very exciting players coming in, back in the champions league for next year and the only way is up in terms of playing style. And before you say we are Man Utd champions league should be the miniumim, we haven’t exactly been stellar united the last 5 years. Yes there are things we all agree need improving but you have had a problem with the last 3 managers. What if jardim came in and started struggling? This is a huge job which the last few managers have underestimated. The united manager has to deal with the vitriol and negativity the press throws at the club, unrest from some fans but also the expectation to play the united way and to manage yourself in a certain way. Jardim doesn’t have that personality. yet I believe. If you sack Jose now there is a handful of coaches available and two of them are at city and Liverpool. Just try and enjoy the ride and lighten up abit because things are far better than you are seeing them. If we are in this position next year I will be joining you in calling for a change. But things take time and because certain fans dislike Jose as a character, they do not want to afford him the time that they would to their beloved managers they wish was managing Utd.

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15 May 2018 19:10:45
Mumbles, that is a fantastic post, and although I don't agree with parts of it I can appreciate the quality of it. Unfortunately I'm far too busy today to write a reply that post deserves. I haven't even been able to read all the replies. Be sure I will write a rebuttal in the coming days when I can force some time into my schedule.

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15 May 2018 19:20:04
It’s a good post, very well thought out and some very relevant points made. However, I do want to take issue with one point. The ethos and tradition doesn’t have to be home grown players, but it is about attacking entertaining football and we have seem too little of that for the last 5 years.

I don’t want Jose to fail. If we win the title and play great football I will happily eat humble pie. I just don’t see it happening.

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15 May 2018 20:43:19
You're right, Tony. I don't think anybody WANTS Jose to fail, because if he fails, its meant the club has failed, and no one wants that.

I do expect an honest critique of how he's doing, and while the football by and large, has been dull and uninspired, I can see the obvious improvement from life under LVG - a low bar admittedly.

As such, he was given a contract to do a job, and I think he should be allowed to see it out as long as that improvement continues.

Don't like him and will probably never warm to him or his style of football. However, I'll support him because he's doing a job for the club I love. Not in the way I would like, but he's still doing it.

I'm certainly not looking for it to go wrong, just so I can say I told you so, as some have rather pettily suggested. Following that logic, I want the club to fail as well, which is just stupid.

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15 May 2018 21:16:42
Ken
We do have a good squad it's just got 80 plus points and only a exceptional city team finished above us .
That's fact not opinion but says a lot about your opinion.

It's a shocking post by singh unless your a bit of a glory hunter United and our tradition means a lot to the average fan.

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15 May 2018 22:12:29
I agree with jred, Singh’s post is depressing and if that is how fans feel today then I want no part of it.

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15 May 2018 22:39:44
Couldn’t agree more. Been saying for some time Jose must stay. Great post.

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15 May 2018 23:14:47
It's not what the vast majority of United fans are about .
We are not any other club.

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15 May 2018 11:21:46
As much as I get pleasure from reading the ramblings of other man utd fans. Ed002 is the reason I read this site religiously every day. Unfortunately there has been talk of toxic fans. I just like to let Ed002 how much I appreciated his posts and sharkopods. Hopefully I speak for the vast majority on this site.

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{Ed002's Note - Thanks anyway.}

15 May 2018 11:57:23
I think we will sign some football players in this summer window, don't worry dude.

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15 May 2018 11:32:39
I'm sure you do mate.

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15 May 2018 12:23:45
I guess we will have to just sign players without Ed002 telling us who they are then!

The main issue with no help from Ed002 on who the real targets are is the 300 different players we are going to see posted on here over summer who have been named in the Metro or Daily Star etc, think I might just come back in August to be honest.

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15 May 2018 12:27:33
Awful lot of work in those Sharkopods, always a highlight of this site. Even though I wasnt a fan of the music . If Tony Blackburn didn't play it (ask your dad/ grandad) then I wouldn't know it- info was great though.

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15 May 2018 13:21:27
GDS is Ronnie. Ever seen them in the same place, at the same time?

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15 May 2018 14:32:22
Gds, wait until next may no point watching anything next season a few of our experts have told us that city will win and we will struggle for top 4. 😂😂.

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15 May 2018 11:14:58
Time to lighten the mood a little. I had a dream last night telling me that I had been chosen to pick and manage an all time utd 11. As I am pushing 60 I can't be doing with these fancy formations so I am going with an old fashioned 4 2 4. My 11 is.
Schmeichel
G neville
Irwin
Stam
Ferdinand
Best
Charlton
Edwards
Ronaldo
Cantona
Van nistleroy

Big Pete edges dave because of the way he used to dominate the penalty box in a way that ddg doesn't. I wanted 2 reliable solid full backs that focused on their defensive responsibilities. Centre backs I wanted a strong physical copy and one with pace. Best and ronaldo pick themselves. Nuff said. Central midfield I have gone back in time. Charlton is quite simply the best British midfielder I ever saw. Everything the modern so called greats such as gerard could do with 1 foot he could do with either foot and the fact that he remained our and England's lead scorer for so long speaks for itself. Sir Bobby says the question he is asked most often is how good was Duncan Edwards,? . He always answers by saying that he was the 1 player that made him feel totally inferior . Everything he could do well Duncan could do better. Terry venables remarked that whereas Bobby Moore was a great player he was no Duncan Edwards and that if he had lived he had little doubt that Duncan would have been the one to lift the world cup. Even though none of us probably saw him play no all time utd team would be complete without him.
The front 2 caused me a lot of thought as my heart said that I had to find a place for Denis law. Cantona was an easy pick because of his skill vision and imagination. With so much creativity in the team i felt that to complete it i needed a ruthless finisher and so with a heavy heart I have gone for ruud over Denis.
I have asked sir Alex to be my assistant haha.
Anyway that is my team which I am sure some will pull to pieces but hey whatever it's all about opinions.

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15 May 2018 12:24:33
I think that is a 4-1-5 to be honest!

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15 May 2018 12:31:16
Can't argue with that. So I am going to be the opposition manager with Busby as my assistant and go with
Ddg
Lb evra
Rb bloody hell is the g nev the only top Rb we've had? Erm will go with valencia.
Cb bill foulkes
Cb vidic
Lw giggs
Rw beckham
Cm scholes
Cm keane
Cf law
Cf rooney.

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15 May 2018 12:43:38
Denis Irwin lb or rb.

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15 May 2018 12:54:45
Paul Parker, Shay Brennan. can't think of anyone else at rb. Seems more options at lb.

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15 May 2018 13:00:04
I would include Best in any team of greats.

Schmeichel
Neville
Ferdinand
Stamm
Irwin
Keane
Cantona
Charlton
Best
Law
Ronaldo.

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15 May 2018 13:43:04
Somebody just put Valencia ahead of Neville? Oh my days.

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15 May 2018 14:05:33
Gds2 - I was picking a team to play against the op. So I couldn't have g nev. Was really stuck for alternatives. I would pick the same team as the op.

Ive never seen shay brennan so if he was better than valencia I will take people's word for it.

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15 May 2018 14:33:20
Viv Anderson was Beyer than valencia.

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15 May 2018 15:27:41
Had forgotten about viv. Was brennan better than viv? Both before my time.

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15 May 2018 15:51:04
Where’s captain marvel.

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15 May 2018 16:16:35
You've got put Nobby in there somewhere. That's what the wife said last night anyway.

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15 May 2018 19:21:49
Jimmy Nichol was better than Valencia.

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15 May 2018 22:42:51
Roger Byrne. RB. Captain of United and England. Great player and leader. Perished at Munich.

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15 May 2018 10:52:07
One of the few reasons I often visit this site is to get insight on transfers from Ed002. It's hugely disappointing if he's not able to deal with transfers anymore.

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15 May 2018 11:04:01
I'm sure he gave a comprehensive list of targets only a few weeks ago can't imagine much has changed since then pal.

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15 May 2018 11:32:22
Can nobody just wait any more until whatever happens, happens?

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15 May 2018 12:24:58
No Stevie, we need to know nowwwwwwww goddammit.

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15 May 2018 13:12:43
Not much about waiting myself. The window opens on 17th May I hear.

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15 May 2018 10:20:06
Don't care what they say, the cup final still gives me a buzz when United are involved, usually a sunny day, the occasion, massive match, could be another piece of silverware in our coffers, 3 trophies in last 2 seasons isn't bad going considering, Conte appears to be in sabotage mode so let's take advantage. RedRom is he going to be fit?
When that's done and dusted Jose usually likes his business done early, especially in World Cup year so Alex Sandro, Alderweireld and Milinkovic-Savic please Ed.

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{Ed001's Note - I will see what I ca.... oh wait you mean Ed Woodward? Oooops.}

15 May 2018 11:14:38
I’m sure you could do just a good a job as Woodward Ed on the football side lol, not sure anyone can match a man capable of getting tractor sponsorships tho 😂.

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{Ed001's Note - I think I might struggle to match him on the commercial side. I would never have thought of that tractor match up. That is sheer …….genius.}

15 May 2018 12:00:22
Ploughing money in to the club.

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15 May 2018 12:53:11
Love it Dodgy.

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Review Of The Day 15th May 2018

15 May 2018 07:22:37
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 15th May 2018

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