Manchester United Banter Archive November 15 2012

 

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15 Nov 2012 22:44:43
Questions for you all
Busby or ferguson
Best or Ronaldo
Charlton or cantona
Law or ruud
My answers:
Ferguson
Best
Charlton
Ruud.

Look forward to everyone's response

Caolán.
P.s never seen him play or hardly seen a clip but how good was Edwards? My grandfather seen him a few times and still maintains he is one of the greates he ever seen at 18.

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I agree with you Caolan except that I would have Busby.. I AM KLOOT

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I'd go with the same choices as you tbh, although the 1st one is particularly tricky!

Gav

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Caolan

Good question mate, inclined to sit on the fence on this one but I'll go for:

Ferguson - edges it because of longtivity but he followed Busby's structure and vision so you could argue this til thecow's come home.
Best - genuinely think he was the best ever, if Pele thought that then I think that says it all.
Cantona - this based purely because it's king Eric, I can appreciate Sir Bobby Charlton is Manchester United and was one of the greatest but, well it's Eric!
Law - again very tough but Law just shades it for me even though saw Ruud live, clips of Law just phenomenal.

As for Edwards, well my dad says had it not been for the tragedy, it would of been Edwards who captained England to the World Cup and by all accounts, he would of been the greatest.

Ports

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I agree with your choices Caolan

Hard to say about Edwards there is so little footage of him. But if Charlton said he was the best then that's good enough for me

Pardoe

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When Maradona first came to England, the first thing he said was that he wanted to meet George best as he thought he was the best. Could you imagine the both of them on a night out!

Supasub

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I go with Busby over Ferguson, he completely rebuilt a team and won a champions league. Ferguson's productivity in Europe has been below par imo.

Best is probably the most talented player to walk the earth. I would have him over Ronaldo any day.

Charlton because he was much more influential and served the club much longuer. Plus beeing probably the best english player in history helps.

And Rudd over Law. One of the best finishers ive ever seen and his goal to game ratio is incredible.

Mick

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15 Nov 2012 22:19:05
how many arsenal players does it take to change a light bulb? Two, one to change it and one to replace him after he impresses man city.

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15 Nov 2012 22:10:44
__________ddg____________
Raf_hummels_smalling___fab
______clevs__vidal________
Roo/val___kag___rodriguez/isco
_______RVP/chica_________
What a team that would be, we've been linked with all 4 of them, imagine that team, off load the likes of nani, vidic(I think he's going down hill and past it) and some younger players, what would be the chances of even landing a couple of these eds? I'd pesonally like vidal and isco..
LiamA {Ed004's Note - I say some are likely}

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Vidic is not 'going downhill and past it', he had a serious injury and is coming back from it, this can take time. He may lose a yard of pace but he is still total class and once fit people will be saying he is world class again. This happened when Valencia got injured and came back not as good for a few months, people are too quick to write players off after injury!

GDS

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GDS

This is what's happening to Nani ;)

Percy

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GDS

I couldn't agree more. Vidic was rushed back in my view. If he heals properly he is still better than 95% of the names mentioned as targets and heart of a lion.

Shahram

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GDS, Vida never had pace anyway which was always my argument that he could play on til he is 35 no problem.

Sydney!

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15 Nov 2012 21:57:19
Syd
I've been critical of your stance on the glazers in the past but reading down the page I think you have found the right balance of stating the positives while understanding why so many people are so pi55ed of.
So fair play
Jred

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Bit patronising, Jred, don't you think? Syd! has always seemed to understand why people think the way they do, from where Im sat, he just prefers to see that whats done is done and we should be looking forward with optimism.

TK-Red

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And surely that is the most constructive stance to hold. There is no use living in the past (like the scousers lol) regardless of how unhappy we are at what happened. Let's all look to a hopefully succesful future. One step nearer to the 'break even' rule for premier league clubs, which is a good sign

Gav

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Tk
No I don't think it is.
I have diasgreed with sdy several times over the glazers over the last 2 year but I think he has explained his views a lot better of late.
I'm not sure syd has always expressed himself the way you say.
In the past I think he has stuck up for the glazers while putting at the end of his text " but I don't like them"
Over the the last couple week I think he has explained both sides so I see where his coming.
I'm not sure who's patronising who but like I said in my op
FAIR PLAY I see were his coming from
( how many others would off)
Jred

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Lol " see where his coming FROM"
Jred

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I agree with jred here, although to be honest I think syd has always made it clear, as I have l, that we do not like what the glazers have done. But we have to acknowledge (which people like kloot refuse to do) that its happened and the only way out of it for our club is to keep the revenues high and keep paying off the debts while hopefully remaining successful.

There were people on this site saying we wouldn't finish in the top 4 this season over the summer (they appear to not be posting anymore, Red_sky?) but I think it is quite clear now we are going to finish at least top 3 and actually if we have a good month now could be more than 5 points clear at the top by the city game and give ourselves a great chance going into the Christmas period and 2nd half of the season when we are generally stronger.

GDS

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GDS

I'm still here! Didn't realise I hadn't posted for ages. I still think its a 3horse race, us, City and Chelsea we've started better than I expected but I still think we'll regret not strengthening CM in the long-run.

RED_SKY

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Jred, my opinion on the Glazers has NEVER changed. I have always remained consistent. I believe it's you and other people's opinions who are changing and now perhaps realising that we do in-fact have decent funds to sign players, just like I have been saying all along. I have NEVER defended the Glazer is one single post, feel free to search the archives, but I have always remained balanced and impartial.

Sydney!

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RED_SKY,

Maybe it wasn't you I meant, I posted this quite late last night. There were a lot of people having a go at me over the summer for suggesting we will have a decent season with the players we have got.

I still think we have a long way to go and are probably 2 class midfielders and a left back away from being top dogs again, but we are not that far away, and will continue to challenge for years to come.

GDS

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I think Sydney has always been right about the Glazers but atm we are starting to agree with the positives starting to appear. still think they are sc**

Mick

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Nah, I think it is me your thinking of GDS! I had a few gos at you didn't I, haha!

I just hate our midfield, haha. Seriously, its been that way for seasons, I just look at our CM and just dont feel inspired at all. Ando on form, gets me going but I'm reserving judgement til he does the business for the full season!

RED_SKY

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Mick, precisely and I agree with your assessment of them too. I always have done.

RED_SKY, don't worry mate, I have a good feeling about next summer. I think we will finally sign our 'Witsel' type player.

Sydney!

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Syd

Hopefully mate, I was so sure we'd do it this season! But so far, so good anyway/

RED_SKY

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15 Nov 2012 21:49:10
KLOOT

Just a question for you mate,

If you can take it back to when you first decided to join the ranks of Red devils and dedicate your support United was it your close proximity to the ground that made that desicion for you or was it something else?

Genuine question?

Jono

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It's a family thing Jono as well as geographical. My uncle was killed in the Munich Air Crash. I AM KLOOT

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KLOOT

Sorry to hear that, it was a terrible tragedy and all those who lost their lives will never be forgotten.

With your closeness to the tragedy though, you more then most should then realise the effect this disaster had on not just Manchester but the rest of the world and is one of the reason Manchester United FC is carried is so many people's hearts all around the world.

Ports

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15 Nov 2012 20:49:04
Alot of people talk about Fabio challenging for the LB position when he returns but how about putting Rafael there (Thought he played well when moved there against Chelski)and letting Fabio get a run at the RB spot where hes played well in the past?
CardiffRED

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Or keep Rafael at RB because he is doing amazing there and we don't want to change him.

-JakeW

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Erm, because Rafael has earned the right back spot... At least for now. But as I said a few days back, he has been our best left back so far this season.... Still want him at right back though ;)

DodgyBanter

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I don't think fabio will return.
I think he migjt be in the last year of his contract can anyone confirm
Jred

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Agree with Jake and Dodgy

Gav

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Playing a worldclass player out of position to accomodate an unproven one. Fair enough

Mick

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15 Nov 2012 19:51:39
Man-u should sell Nani as he doesn't play well and just tries to do skill and always looses the ball there has been roumers that Arsenal and Man-u may do a straight swap with Nani and Walcott

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I well hope it doesn't happen, we all no AF isn't a mug so I highly doubt there is any inkling of truth to this.

Percy

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Walcott is even worse,at least nani has some skill.

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No there hasn't! Percy, you tell him son.

AJH

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That would be an incredibly horrible deal for us

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That's that sorted then.

What are the lottery numbers on Fri?

Cheers

DodgyBanter

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The replies made me chuckle, especially DodgyBanter's one! Surprise surprise Percy commented first! ;)

-JakeW

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Cheers Jake, I was not in the mood for it! ;)

DodgyBanter

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15 Nov 2012 19:49:19
i dont think man-u will get Llorente or Lewendowski unless they sell Wayne Rooney to PSG because they will not get enough playing time

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15 Nov 2012 18:53:33
what a cheek your noisy neighbours man city have , i mean 50 million for the great suarez , hes worth at least 100 million , if not more....
ps, the only reason i am posting here is the last post on the man city page was november..2011.............lfc

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Yep, worth 100million, but here's a question do you have anything better to do with your life than post on our page. But anyways Suarez is worth about 25 million and no more van Persie is twice the player of Suarez!

Caolán.

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In Liverpool dollars he's right... I mean If Andy Carrol is worth a bazillion dollars then Suarez must be worth a googoodrillion Liverpool dollars.

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You just dont do yourselves any favour. Dellusional and proud!

Mick

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I always thought that no players bigger than a club, so if Suarez is worth 100 million, he surely is bugger than Liverpool.

DesiRed.

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Suarez is a top and in a top team could be great
That said he is a horrible person
Jred

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So you think he is worth a third of what Liverpool are worth? Interesting! Still a little wasteful for my liking. Also like Jred said he is a horrid human being so even £35m would be wishful thinking IMO. Falcao and Cavani are both better players and decent human beings and would unlikely fetch £40m when they are finally sold.

Sydney!

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I guess you could get a good £70+ million for Gerrard too then lfc?

-JakeW

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Player is missing from my last post
Jred

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Syd liverpool are vauled at 450 million, not like you to get your sums wrong mate lol.............lfc

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Lfc it looks like you made a mistake with the 0 at the end of 45

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15 Nov 2012 18:37:49
just seen on the BBC sport page that real madrid are interested in Chicharito and are willing to offer benzema in return. probably not true but which would everyone on here prefer? Hernandez or Benzema?
nov00 {Ed004's Note - Hernandez for his attitude. Don't think Benzema would fancy competing with RVP if he is fed up competing with Higuain}

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Hernandez is perfect as a 3rd striker as Ed says for his attitude, I think Benzema could only fit into our squad if we sold Rooney. I'd prefer to stick with what we've got up front personally

Gav

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If isn't broken; you know the rest.

Andrew B

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15 Nov 2012 17:36:41
I would like 2 see Esteban Cambiasso at the club. He could do a job for a couple of years. Anyone agree?

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I could disagree maybe around 31-33 times. I think he's around that age, ao why in the hell would we buy a player at this age if we are buildind a squad and there's planty of young players way better than him?

Nick86

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15 Nov 2012 16:55:33
Just thought I'd post something in reference to the non-manchester based fans, seeing at it was discussed by Kloot/Mumbles earlier.
In Ireland we were kept under British rule for a long time until the twenties, when we gained freedom for the 26-county Republic. As all the countries wealth had been stolen from us throughout the centuries in rent and taxes, we were a very poor nation with virtually no industries. Because of our poverty we had a lot of immigration, which began during the potato famine in the 1840's, and even continues to this day unfortunately. As all the people with drive and ambition saw no hope at home, they emigrated, mainly to England and the US. Once in England, they slowly got jobs, married and settled down. Football became a part of their lives . So when they went home to visit they spoke of the great English clubs. The ones who returned home actively sought out results and news about their new-found favourite teams. Eventually, almost everyone in Ireland had spent time abroad, or had a very close relation or friend who spent time abroad, and their support of English teams slowly grabbed hold of the Irish public. Once television came to the country in the sixties, Beatlemania arrived, along with Georgie boy and Manchester United. This was a world alien and exciting to people back then and it was when my father started supporting United.
Also, as we don't have a top-class professional league in this country, all our best players play abroad, the vast majority in England so it was natural for us to follow the careers of our nations players, which further increased our exposure to the English leagues.
As a result, most Irish people who have an interest in football, support a foreign based-team. I was brought up in a United household so they became my team, even though 99% of my peers supported Liverpool because in the late seventies and eighties United won virtually f**k-all, while Liverpool dominated the English Division 1.
I AM KLOOT, it is very disheartening to see and hear the same old "your not born under the shadow of Old Trafford so you can't be a supporter" crap. Consider yourself lucky that you CAN see OT, and you CAN go to every single home and away match, because I support United, and I CANNOT see OT, and CANNOT go to every match.
Surely my dedication to, and support of United must be worth something to the club?

J Bones.

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Quite correct. Only a minute percentage of supporters live anywhere near Salford (not Manchester) where the club is currently based. The bulk of revenue now is going to come from tv and sponsorship rights generated, self evidently, by the millions of supporters throughout the world.

This sort of provincial fascism is both inappropriate and tiresome.

This is a global club with a global supporter base. That is the phenomenon that will give it the cash to become dominant again.

Aesop

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Very well said bones, my family are the same, born in Ireland and we immigrated to england, and all my family have been united fans since, now I have been brought up in england the tradition continues in my family. And that my friends is wot United have been built apon! TRADITION!
Chris the REDman

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Well said J Bones, this post can now finally explain why so many of us support United. My family are originally from Manchester but moved to Ipswich Town for certain reasons. I was brought up to watch United games not Ipswich games.

I hate it when someone finds out I support United they instantly say "glory hunter" or "Support your home team".

Football is a game and we all follow certain teams for certain reasons, I think the people who say "You should live in Manchester to support United" are just stuck up and over protective about their team, we are all a community of our own and we shouldn't fight each other.

-JakeW

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Great post. I live on a Scottish island and have always supported Utd. First time I saw them play York city beat them 3 nil in a cup game!

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Bones, you could also argue that without Irish influence there wouldn't be players like Rooney who's distant family is of course Irish. We know there are many United fans who are 'glory fans' per se, just like there was Liverpool glory fans, Chelsea glory fans and now City glory fans, but to be fair United have such a fantastic history that so many was pulled towards the club for that very reason. My grandad was from Ireland and him and I went to United games every week for nearly 15 years. We lived in Stockport, then Salford so didn't have far to travel.

Sydney!

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Mr Bones read my posts on the subject I was bringing up a question posed by Hunter Davies in his book. He picks out Manchester United as the best example of a team supported by people with no tie to the club. I have no doubt about Manchester United's rich Irish Heritage and understand completely why you would follow the club. I just remember in the eighties when everyone in the country decided to support Liverpool Wonder why? I AM KLOOT

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Syd, talk us through that argument then. Without the Irish influence we might not have signed Rooney? Bit of a stretch that one isn't it?

It's a good debate this one, does living near your club make you more of a fan or is it irrelevant. My view...its great to walk / get the bus to the ground and feel part of it, but if your support is genuine, through thick and thin, then fair play to you, wherever you are from.

AJH

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KLOOT. Everyone has some tie to the club. Emotional, sentimental, geographical. It's not the reason why you support the club or how you got here, just be glad there's something that Unites so many people

Mumbles

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Old Trafford is not in Salford. It's in erm.......Old Trafford!

Andrew B

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AJH, I didn't say that mate.

Sydney!

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I think kloot may acept he made a mistake
Jred

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15 Nov 2012 16:04:30
how much longer do you reckon fergies got in him? bes manager ever, gna be nearly impossible to replace

Jack

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5 more years at least

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By some miracle we won the champions league then he would go. He is definately not going past the end of next season. 2nd best United manager. I AM KLOOT

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Kloot. You really are a grumpy old sod. :)

Kuala

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15 Nov 2012 15:43:42
If he goes on like this we will be able to do a full length vidio entiteled "JO HART and the OVERHEAD KICK"

There are already two great ones to start it off - (Rooney's being the best).

Mike

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Well 3 of the greatest goals i've ever seen where scored against him : ibrahimovic, Rooney and Crouch.

Mick

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15 Nov 2012 15:41:04
Interesting article in the Guardian today regarding the increase in the goals scored management and tactics. Well worth a read - http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/ blog/2012/nov/15/why-more-goals-scored-football

Mike

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15 Nov 2012 15:35:36
United are doing some heavy scouting at lower league clubs. Almost constantly at blackpool, derby, leicester, palace and crewe games.

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Who are we scouting from Derby amd Leicester?
CardiffRED

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15 Nov 2012 15:10:15
Got a feeling that we will be going for Neymar again in January.

RedDevil19 {Ed002's Note - Again?}

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RD19, when did we ever go for Neymar? Wasn't this strongly denied by the club and the player? I do not think Neymar is a target.

Sydney!

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I hope not as it would break the bank to get him and it still will not address our most urgent needs.

Shahram

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15 Nov 2012 13:12:55
el shaarawy anyone?

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A less good version of muniain.

Mick

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Great player but id rather stick with young english talent we already have coming through. Only way to improve our national team is to encourage home grown players rather than looking abroad

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To be honest with u I don't really care about the "national" team. For me it's all about mufc, and if that means buying young talent frm abroad and making our mufc a better team then so be it. T45

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Rather spend money on our youth academy than waste it on 'foreign talent'. look what weve previously brought through, giggs scholes, beckham, three of the best players weve had over the past 15 years

Jack

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I don't care were they are from as long as they help the team win trophies in Europe and pl.

Shahram

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15 Nov 2012 09:44:38
With Cantona saying he would like to manage us , what does everyone think .
Personally I'd have Solskjaer as manager Cantona Assistant , then Van Nistelrooy, Giggs, Scholes, Ferdidnand and Schmeichel as coaches ... Oh but to dream

Winston

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Cantona is no more going to manage United than I am going to the moon.

IrishRed

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Id far rather have cantona at the helm and solskjaer as his number 2.......just for the sheer entertainment value of the quotes we'd be getting week in week out from the king after matches ......cantona would be a far more authoritive figure/presence at a club like man u.....but in terms of tactics ole prob has the edge and has worked wonders at molde the 2 seasons hes been there and won the league.......

but the two of them would def be my dream team like you say whichever one gets the managers job and assistant lol

That quote about diving in the sea, watching and talking to octopuses etc had me in fits when I read it haha

What a guy

Robbo

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Imagine Keane and Cantona as manager and assistant. That would be a fun recipe for disaster.

Mick

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I personally think Ryan Giggs will have what it takes to be a good manager. Not immediately for us, but he has been through it all and worked with great players and Fergie all his life and also Quiroz.

Gar

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David moyes all the way, look haw well hes doing with barely any transfer funds at everton. imagine waht he could do given the funds

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IrishRed

8..7..6..5..4..ignition sequence running...

:)

However tend to agree with you

Mike

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I dont see why moyes gets so much hype, yes he's does wonderful at everton given the lack of funds he gets but its his scouts that should get credit for the players that has been brought in....thats wat its all about, scouting players that will be effective at a reasonable price, rather than scouting players that every tom, dick and harry will be scouting and then obviously prices will be bumped up blah blah blah.....we need to be more efficient in the scouting department, we have made some absolute howlers, bebe being a prime example (7 million pounds like really?!?!?!?!?!)

i for one certainly dont want moyes anywhere near the managers position, not unless i want to watch my team playing long ball football, game after game.....everton are a one man team, take big fellaini out and they are a shambles, i also rate baines highly would love him as our left back....

but no no no definately not moyes please, all this crap about look at how well he does without money is garbage, if he had money what difference would it seriously make??? its the players that he has bought at low value that have made the difference, hes just been lucky in my opinion in landing the likes of fellaini due to having very very good scouts!

moyes is not manchester united quality.........

NOWHERE NEAR IT

Robbo

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What you wally...lets look at the players he would have kept if he had the funds available at united...Rooney would still be at everton...improving their forward line...le scot still their...well maybe not....city got ripped off..arteta still in midfield with fellaini and pienaar...

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Robbo

Moyes would not be my choice at all but surely he is a more credible prospect than Cantona right now?!

Gav

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Moyes at united? We might as well give up. We need a European manager with some experience and tactics. Not Moyes unless u want to watch us playing long ball all the time.He is not united standard.
NNoMidfield

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How is he not man utd quality!! he has continously beaten the big teams including us with a just above average squad and limited funds. imagine what he would do with a squad like uniteds. he also sort out our defence and bring in some really good quality players like Fellani. Fredo

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There no more than a long ball team tha us. they took us part at the beggining of the season with fast flowing football!! Fredo

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Sheringham & Cole dreamteam

Andrew B

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15 Nov 2012 09:13:19
why does every1 think youngs not good enough for united hes the old fashion winger united like can cross both footed, beats a man and scores a few goals! wot more do you guys want??

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Last night was the first time in ages he beat his man on the outside and put the ball in with his left foot. He can clearly do it, the question is why he doesn't do it more often? Same goes for Nani and Valencia this year, they can all beat their man and get a good ball in, but just aren't this year. Valencias problem is not beating his man, he has been too hesitant at times this year in getting the ball in.

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If he could do it constantly like Giggs used to in the 90's he would be 1st team player each week. Problem is he doesn't - he's so quiet and ineffective for long periods that he won't be 1st choice for us long term IMO. Still a decent squad player though and he does have his moments of class (just nowhere near often enough)

Gav

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He is still the best crosser of the ball when compared to nani and Valencia.

Shahram

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15 Nov 2012 08:13:47
dont get me wrong it was an amazing goal by zlatan,the technique was outstanding but i think the pundits and the media calling it one of the greatest goals ever are going over the top,hart (who was shocking all game)wasnt even in the goal,it would of been like picking cherries if he had been where he was supposed to be,id honestly put sinclair and rooneys overhead kicks before zlatans.

phil

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He's 6 foot 5 and it was 35 yards out, i'm sorry but it was an amazing piece of technique.

Hoppy

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It was a class strike and it takes a certain type of player to even try it but IMO mauro bressan effort in the CL is far better. Check it out.

Jono

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Great skill, but it was a fluke and very lucky.

Fresh!

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Hoppy,i did say it was amazing technique,im not taking anything away from him but the fact is there was no-one in the goal to beat.

phil

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Mate stopp complaining admire the goall i reckon that goal along with maradonas goal is ranked at the top.

You dont see goals like that very often so jus sit and admire

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Mauro Bressan's goal was way better in my opinion probably because there was a keeper there.

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I don't get why people feel the need to belittle a piece of skill like that by saying it's not that great or it was a fluke. It was a class bit of instinctive play and as far as I'm concerned if a striker hits the ball with the intention of scoring, then proceeds to score it is not a fluke. And if he does so upside down in mid air from an angle at 35 yards I'm quite impressed! Hart's mistake is irrelevant for me, pure class bit of instinctive play

Gav

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Phil - to be fair I don't think anyone will ever score a similar goal with a goal keeper in position as well! That type of goal wouldnt even be possible if there were so I think you're being slightly harsh : )

Gav

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Gav
Good point, some times its best toi just sit back and enjoy
Jred

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15 Nov 2012 08:00:08
Hey Guys want to share something with you , I will be visiting London for two weeks in January......This is a lifetime opportunity for me coz come what may i will take some time out just to visit Manchester and Old Trafford.

I getting goosebumps just at the though of entering Old Trafford on matchday.

According to the schedule I should be there to watch the United vs Liverpool game :)

Still cant believe it, my first LIVE game at old trafford is United vs Liverpool.........GGMU

MUMBAI_BOY {Ed002's Note - Have a great time.}

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And you have got a ticket how exactly?

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Great to know you'll catch a game make sure you bring a big coat because your eyes will water due to the cold

Pardoe

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And thick socks!

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Have a great time mate.

SHAITAN

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Tickets are availible for every home game a sell out is very rare
johndenton

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15 Nov 2012 06:02:19
Question? What do you think little peas valuation will be if he continues on current form and bags 20 to 25 goals for the season.

Shahram

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About 20-25 million pounds at the end of the season imo. he is fairly young, is a proven goalscorer for both club and country, and plays for manchester united.

Mick

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Doesn't matter. He ain't leaving.

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Well Torres 50mill Carroll 35mill I'm guessing just a shade under a billion

CAIN

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15 Nov 2012 00:22:27
Hi Ed some rumours are floating around in regards to a swap deal involving Hernandez and Benzema. Do you reckon this is a possibility? Thanks

Karni {Ed002's Note - Nothing.}

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Even though saf has always gone on about benzema I don't think he is mad enough to swap him for chicatitto. Benzema is having a terrible time at Real and apart from a few spells, he's been disappointing so let's keep chicatitto and for once tell Real to get lost.
NoMidfield

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If we were going to swap I would love to see a swap for Falcao and obviously we would have to pay a big chunk of cash. That would be some statement of intent, Fifa Football :)

Shahram

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Is Benezma a better striker than Hernadez?

Geniune Question

Chico is one of the best natural finishers in the game but is Benzema a better all rounder?

Interesting swap!

Giants14

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Its just a slow news day...tell me the last time you can recall a rumoured swap deal ever transpiring much less one between two top clubs!

IrishRed

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15 Nov 2012 00:22:11
Mumbles your an person. i know the editors will be mad at me for being offensive. It isn't fair on persons to get compared to you. I AM KLOOT

Ed's you dont need to edit Rainfishes comments about me. Theres nothing a bitter old man like Rainy can type on his keyboard that will offend me I can assure you that.

So FISH, i'm a derogatory word begining with a vowel that other derogatory words begining with vowels would be ashamed to be called.

This is coming from a man who a year or two ago on this site said that people from outside Manchester had no right supporting United. Why didnt we support our own local teams was the gist of your rant. And thats all you do is rant.

You defended Ravel Morrison's disgusting actions because "He grew up in a tough neighbourhood and had a tough up bringing" Defending the actions of a lowlife thug. Really classy!

You moan about young players not getting a chance but when a promising one like Cleverley comes through, you belittle him, call him "The Brand". You're a hypocrite. At one stage or another you've attacked everyone at the club for some reason.

Lets get behind the Green and Gold campaign and get the Glazers out. I remember that one too, how did that go? Probably so keen on that one because you were selling scarfs at a tenner a pop to tourists. Lets boycott buying United merchantise and hit the Glazers in the pocket, they'll be forced to sell up and leave. Willing to put the club back years just because you dont like the owners. Dont get me wrong, seeing hundreds of millions of pound walk out the door is a horrible thing but as I said, in a few years we will be better off. Two steps back for five steps forward while still competing for honours. Im an optimist, you're a pessimist. The situation is far from ideal but its the hand we're dealt with.

I feel sorry for you in a way. Probably late 50's early 60's. Learned how to type so you could vent your frustrations, all the while football is leaving you behind. If I was you I wouldn't take life so seriously KLOOTFISH, no one gets out alive.

Mumbles

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Mumbles I like it. The best form of defence is always attack. You have a go at me which as I have always said on this site you are free to do and I welcome. But at no point do you explain why you support the Glazers so strongly.

So lets go through some of your points. At a quiet time last year I asked why people with no connection to Manchester would support United. At the time i was reading Hunter Davies's excellent book why I love football and he asks the very same question. The ferocity of the answers said a lot more about peoples insecurities than anything else.

If you had any Idea what Ravel Morrison went through as a child you would not be so quick to judge.

As for TC23 well i have an idea plays some games for the club before "your people" start branding you. Everything I dislike about modern football. Will never have the talent of one of Paul Scholes toes yet is already branding himself.

You criticise Green and Gold for their non violent campaign against the Glazers just showing that we are not all behind the rape and pillage of our club. So that people can still go and support the team but show their displeasure. You see this as a bad thing?

Mumbles you are obviously quite intelligent but the only thing that lets you down is your blindness to what the Glazers have done to our club or is it that you suffer from new fan syndrome. As long as we win a trophy I don't care about the long term future of the club.

As for the personal digs at me bring it on this is a banter site and is like water off a ducks back. I can assure the Eds now i will not take offence at anything anyone says about me on this site.

I AM KLOOT

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I find myself agreeing with Kloot's assesment of Cleverley. For an unproven player who has accomplished nothing, he certainly is a bit overexposed.

This is the same alleged reason Beckham was pushed out of the door ( although i think its more down to ferguson's grudge). But the difference is. Beckham was England captain, a treble winner, a ballon d'or competitor, and one of the best players on the planet ( and having the looks to be a fashion icon ). Same goes for cr7.

So i think that Cleverley should concentrate more on improving and becoming a great player before guetting the rewards and acting like he's " made it ".

Mick

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Isn't it more that the likes of Cleverly, Wilshire and Welbeck are English and the media push that part purely because English players are hard to find

Pardoe

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Oh please grow up!! So kloot supports green and gold campaign..... Mumbles never said he supports the glazers, just can accept wot is happening and understand it!
But KLOOT I have 1 question for u, how do u want OUR club runowned?
As for living outside manchester and supporting united, dnt even go there mate, the club built up its brand to attract fans from all over the world so they can get more money to to make OUR utd better! Dont u dare start condoning ppl who live out manchester for supporting OUR great club then try and brush off your small minded veiws by saying you were just reading a book!
I rate clev but also totally agree with your thoughts on his branding himself, hut remember a lot of money he makesfrom his brand goes to charity aswel.
Chris the REDman

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I would be more concerned with the people who would actually purchase TC23 branded stuff, than the arrogance of a youthful footballer. I wouldn't even go as far as purchasing a pair of David Beckham gruds from H&M, and he is actually famous

On a completely different note, my new line of LCT83 thongs will be available from all major retailers in time for Christmas

|Luke Chadwicks Teeth|

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The TC23 brand was something he worked on whilst he was out injured for a season. Some players go into coaching once they have retired, some commentate and some are guests on BBC, SS or MUTV etc. Cleverley has decided to make himself a brand, certainly a bit premature IMO, but like he said he is putting down the foundations for later on in life. I do think he could have done without this and shouldn't have worked on this for some years yet, but that is no reason to dislike him or want him out of the club before his career has properly began. He is still a good player and more importantly he is still a Manchester United player. I would certainly back this kind of player over a loser like Ravel Morrison.

Sydney!

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Sydney, I find your constant backing of cleverley a bit weird. We all have our favourite players, and my guess is that cleverley is one of yours, but you have to admit he has done nothing to deserve the brand. Susperstars have brands : Jordan, Lebron, Woods, Bolt... What do they all have in common? Greatness in their respective sports.

The whole brand thing has made cleverley look in the eyes of many fans ( such as kloot ) more like a pretencious Pri** than a grounded headed humble player.

On another note, no matter what Ravel Morrison has ever done, you have no right whatsoever to refer to him as " loser". He is a professional football player signed by a premier league team, and none of us know what he has been through, so I would really appreciate it if you would keep such tastless opinions to yourself in the future and stop judging people you know virtually nothing about.

Mick

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Why do you think that everyone who doesn't share your views on the Glazers is automatically a "Glazer Agent"? I'm not a Glazer fan. I dont have a oil painting of Malcolm over my fireplace, far from it actually.

The day the club went PLC, a takeover was always gonna happen. It disgusts me that they get to own our club for free. I understand anyone who protests against them and why they do, but what I don't understand is why they'd cut off their nose to spite their face.

This is where we differ greatly. When life gives me lemons, I make lemonade. When life gives you lemons, you wanna chop the tree down because you like oranges. Lets say hypothetically the Glazers packed up and left. They sell the club for 1.4 billion, pay off the loan and leave with 1 billion in their back pockets. Whats to stop the next owner lumbering all the debt back on us again?

As I said, its horrible to see millions of the clubs money walking out the door year on year, but we're over the worst of it.

"you suffer from new fan syndrome. As long as we win a trophy I don't care about the long term future of the club."

I'm far from a "new fan" KLOOT but you make my point for me. I CAN see the long term future of the club. I see us free from debt with the highest turnover in world football hopefully in a world of FFP. We will be the most powerful club in the world again. You on the other hand can't see the future my friend. Wheater you like it or lump it, they're here to stay and there's nothing you can do about it. Two steps back whilest going five steps forward!

As for Ravel, I couldn't care less how he was raised. He's been giving a great chance to play proffesional football for a living but he wants to play gangster. Did he not get enough hugs when he was younger, boo hoo! He should finish his career we a long list of accolades not a long rap sheet for heinous crimes!

This brand thing doesnt seem to be affecting Tom's football so it shouldnt be a problem what he does in his spare time IMO.

I don't agree with most things you say KLOOT but as a fellow United supporter I respect your passion for the club!

Mumbles

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Syd
You had a very different view of ravel this time last year
Jred

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Mick, if you read what I said then you will see I mentioned numerous times that I didn't agree with his 'brand' timing. I guess you conveniently missed those parts of the post. As for Ravel, he has been given chance after chance and he still cannot keep his head down. You would think after being kicked out of United he would have sorted his head out, but he is still the same immature cretin that SAF wiped his hands with. I gave him the benefit of the doubt since his court case, but he still will not learn. Anyone with the talent he has and the poor attitude he has can only be classed as a loser.

Sydney!

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Calling a player who is richer and more famous than 99% of the world population loser is a bit far fetched, especially since he's 19. Maybe we have different views on the criteria to be considered loser. But i dont think you're in a position to say he is a loser.

You know he has done a lot of stupid stuff, but you have no idea what he has been through. And the fact that he already this good means he has worked really hard to get to the level that he is at now.

Has he made the right choices? No. Could he have een in a better position atm? Yes. Is he a loser? he might, we're just not in a position to judge.

Mick

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Mick, you may choose not to judge, but I choose to. That is my right and I have chosen to exercise it ;)

Sydney!

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Mumbles, words almost fail me. You have no idea what Morrison's upbringing was like or the impact it has had on his life. your sneering view of him I is unnecessary. I have friends whose childhood has scarred them, just because he is a gifted footballer doesn't mean he is more able to deal with things than others. Sad he let himself down but unlike you, I won't be judging him.

AJH

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AJH. This isn't a lad who made one wrong decision and was hung for it. He constantly broke the law by doing some really bad things. He might have had a bad childhood but that's no excuse and infact, he's had more people looking out for him and the club doing everything they could for him and he still manages to balls up his career. If me or you or any joe bloggs committed these crimes, we'd be behind bars.

It's funny, everyone ridicules and slates Nani for consistently making the wrong choices on a football pitch, but are willing to forgive a thug of a human being who consistently makes the wrong choices in life!

Mumbles

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Love you guys

CAIN

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