16 Aug 2012 22:52:01
The whole RVP transfer saga had left me a bit cold up till yesterday in all honesty....
But im really buzzing and excited about it now... Being almost done! Just thinking about what its gonna do for the whole squad... Its a massive shot in the arm and i thin Wazza will feel 2 inches taller and a yard quicker....!
The more i think about it the better the whole thinking behind it makes sense!
COME ON U REDS!!
PIT APE
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16 Aug 2012 22:45:33
why do arsenal fans think they have a chance of winning the league this season!? they couldn't win it with, nasri, fabregas, RVP, clichey, toure or adebayor.. so what makes them think they can win it with cazorla,podolski and giroud..?
Lets be honest with a 29 year old crock what makes you think you will. You won't finish in front of City or Chelsea in fact your finish around 4th. Your squad is not that strong.
Well RVP was always injured (£24m for a hamstring injury - thank you), Nasri was good for 6 months , Toure did win the league undefeated that season.
16 Aug 2012 22:45:10
Have to laugh at the Scousers, Sydney put up a comment and 4 of them replied straight away. They must literally stalk this page haha. Just wondering do any of you (United regulars on here) go onto the Liverpool page?
Dylan {Ed007's Note - There is winding up from all sides on all the sites.}
I go over there to have a read from time to time, as I do with a few other pages, but some of the drivel I read makes my sides hurt.
TK-Red
16 Aug 2012 22:36:12
How come we are still using Audi cars as seen when RVP arrived for his medical? If I was general motors id be well p••••d off.
AndypMUFC {Ed004's Note - Audi contract hasn't ran out yet}
GM contract doesn't start until 2014 even though they are paying us $18m a season for the next two seasons on top of the AON deal.
Sydney!
Yes but on the clubs website it says chevrolet are the official automotive partner. This used to be Audi up until the end of the season I thought.
16 Aug 2012 22:35:23
Like most of you i too have been left scratching my head on excactly how we are gonna fit all our players into one side that isn't left woefully exposed on the counter. And the conclusion i've come to having tried many formations and line ups and all sorts is quite simply you can't fit them all in.
Now at first i was left frustrated and annoyed. But the more i thought about it the more the it became obvious what a awesome job Sir Alex has done. He has yet again pulled off a master stroke without any of us yet to fully appreciate the genius of it.
None of us know or can work out how or who will be playing for United on Monday night, and neither can Moyes. So how does an opposition manager prepare his team when he has no clue to who they will be playing against or what tactic's/formation that team will use? In the signing of Kagawa and RVP Sir Alex has made us totally unpredictable which gives us the ultimate weapon in the element of suprise. And with the options now on the bench Sir Alex himself can quickly change and adapt the team as the game is being played.
The beauty of the players we have available now is their flexability, everyone can play in more than one position allowing fluid changes of tactic's and formations during a game.
I cannot wait to see the line up's each week this season. I think this is the most positive i've been about a season in a long time. With only a couple of signing Sir Alex has changed us from defensive and predictable to flexable unpredictable and oozing attacking class.
The only thing i feel we could do with now is a midfielder who will sit and hold giving some shape to the team and protection for the back four. As we don't have a midfielder like that currently, and getting such a player would open up so many more possibilties to our team. I'm a little gutted Newcastle got Anita i think we were too slow on the up take with that lad and i think he's gonna be awesome in the prem this season. But hey ho, there are other options but i dare say they'll cost more than 7m.
I think we could see any one of three formations next season. 433, 4231, 532.
433:
__________DDG
Rafael_Smalling_Vidic_Evra
_________Carrick
____Cleveley___Kagawa
_Welbeck__________RVP
_________Rooney
4231:
__________DDG
Rafael_Smalling_Vidic_Evra
_____Carrick_Cleverley
Valencia__Kagawa__Nani
_________Rooney
532:
__________DDG
___Smalling_Vidic_Evans
Valencia____________Evra
_____Carrick_Cleverley
_________Kagawa
____Rooney_____RVP
All are possible with the players we currently have and i've stuck the players i feel are best in but the beauty of this current squad is that it is up for debate who is best in all those teams and in all positions. The squad is totally interchangable and flexable.
This is going to be a fun and exciting season.
Shappy
Why would you play RVP and Welbeck in wide positions in a 4-3-3 ... I'd anything that will be played when either Rooney or RVP is on the pitch .. Not both.
You'd play Valencia, nano, young or Kagawa in those wider positions with either RVP or Rooney in the middle.
Hallis
What's wrong with simply outscoring teams? We need a Witsel I think.
G.A.G.U.S
In the 433 those positions are only the starting positions, The front three will be allowed to move about as all three can play any of the front three positions. Plus Kagawa and Cleverley are able to play in wider positions so they can move wide in search of space if needed. RVP can play wide and i wanted a team which had Rooney and Welbeck in as they link up so well. Personally i feel the 433 gives the most flexibilty of the formations i did and it incorporates Kagawa and RVP plus Cleverley and Welbeck who i think will be key players for us.
G.A.G.U.S, there is nothing wrong with out scoring teams but it's still prudent to try and conceed as few as possible. Better to win 4-1 than 4-3.
Shappy
Its a good call to put RVP on left he was originally a winger
16 Aug 2012 22:34:43
going around the rumours sites and twitter it looks like utd have just signed the most hated player in the prem hes gonna get tortured this season, the guy done wrong,karma
Anyone who plays for us is hated because people hate us - jealousy. If Balotelli played for us he would be the most hated ever but a lot of people idolise him because he plays for our rivals.
SqueakyBum
Lovin the bitterness
CAIN
Its nothing to do with utd,honestly the ignorance of utd fans,its what he done on arsenal,any player from any club that behaves in that way to the club he is supposed to love is a total disgrace,i bet joey barton is laughing,he is now the second most hated player in the prem {Ed007's Note - I'm sure Spurs, Newcastle, Aston Villa etc supporters are all raging about RVP. Give your head a wobble, it's only Arsenal fans that are angry about it, nobody else will really give a to$$, even if other fans wanted him at their club they will get over that as soon as their team kicks off over the weekend.}
16 Aug 2012 22:07:09
Now with RVP in the bag wonder what everyone thinks the team will be on monday night... This is my opinion
---------------De Gea------------
Valencia--Ferdinand--Vidic--Evra--
Nani---Carrick---Scholes---Young-
--------Rooney--Welbeck--------
Now for my reasoning. I know its not what everyone wants because im sure people would like people like cleverley,kagawa,RVP but here are the reasons.
Valencia will be right back because Rafael has had no time whatsoever with the squad and against Barcelona they were terrific combining and with Baines having to play a full game mid-week it could come to are advantage doubling up on him.
Carrick will be in there to compete against Fellani, My opinion is Cleverley would be in their but we will need presence in the team from set pieces to help Ferdinand and Vidic. Will also help as like he showed against Italy, his ball retention is first class.
Welbeck will be in instead of either RVP and Kagawa, RVP will be on the bench and will definaetly make an appearance but he has had no pre-season matches and will have only trained once with the squad by then. Kagawa has travelled halfway around the world and only gets back friday evening so will miss all the set piece training which takes place tomorrow.
RedKnight
16 Aug 2012 21:55:09
Any 1 else think that RVP will be our last signing this summer? Or at least big signing. I can't wait to see kagawa think we've got a real bargain.
I was at the hannlover match, and saw what Kawaga can do. his link up play with rooney was fantastic and cleverly was dazzling in his ability to lose opponents and find that bit of space. the speed, drive and precision that they had was uncanny given the few games they've played together. we're in for one hell of a season. I saw rvp in holland many years ago. even back then I said that guys the next ryan giggs ( he was playing down the left wing. ) I was dissapointed he ended up at A. but i was still a great admirer of him. now he's finally at Utd, for me this is the best thing to happen to since Ruud. Come on you Reds !
jomo
16 Aug 2012 21:52:54
I think the best opening day line up would look something like
----------De Gea---------
-Rafa-Ferdy-Vidic-Evra-
----Carrick--Scholes----
-Tony----Kags-----RvP-
----------Rooney---------
That leaves Nani, Young, Clevs, Ando, Welbeck, Hernandez as second options.
Sparty On
No way will RVP start wide left. He'd put Kags there first, or even Rooney!
DodgyBanter
I would expect RVP to start on the bench seeing as he'll only have a couple of days training under his belt and is short on fitness atm. So i would expect either Nani or Young to start on the left. Other than that i think your line up is bang on.
Shappy
I'd move kagawa to where RVP is.
RVP upfront
Rooney just playing behind him.
That just my personal opinion though
Hallis
16 Aug 2012 10:30:43
Ed004 you keep teasing us wit lil peices of info like maybe add witsel an baines. Now I have read you reckon there is serious interest in witsel but I haven't seen you say much about baines . Can you just tell me of there is interest an if it is indeed serious cause wit those two I doubt we would be stopped wit Wat we already have thanks in advance.....
CAIN {Ed004's Note - I am not deliberately trying to tease... Just my opinion on who I would like to see come. Ed 2 believes we have a serious interest in Witsel and I just think Baines would be a decent signing}
Come on Ed004, no one likes a tease.
MU93 {Ed004's Note - I am sorry lol. Though I think a team of De Gea, Valencia or Rafael, Smalling, Vidic, Baines, Witsel and Cleverley, Nani, Rooney, Kagawa and then RVP up top would be unbelievable}
Thats mouth watering, but i just don't see us spending too much more money and in that case i would have witsel over baines.
MU93
16 Aug 2012 20:56:19
Given the fact that we were willing to spend a large transfer fee for Moura and Rvp, does that mean there is still funds available for another major signing? All views are welcomed.
Aparrently we are looking for witsel.
Caolán.
Witsel & Baines hopefully.
Sydney! {Ed004's Note - Would complete our squad imo}
Based on our £40m budget we've overspent (£17m Kagawa, £24m RVP, £3m Powell, £4m Henriquez) - so I doubt it!*
*I know my figures are a little off - but regardless we've still spent over £40m.
T0MB0Z
Money will always be available for the right players.
Shappy
T0MB0Z, but will the club be calculating initial fees or overall fees? How can they calculate an overall fee when we do not know what it is? Then you have to consider the outgoings. Berbatov, Kiko, Bebe, Anderson? Nani? Then there's the £5.7m raised by past sales.
I'd be very surprised if our spending is over just yet.
Sydney!
Well I was led to believe if the players were achievable we would have £70million this summer... So I still think we have more business at least we will try anyway.
George
Syd -Of course it's impossible to know how much of the fee is being paid up front - but I doubt that will make a difference. We had £40m to spend - and we have committed to spend all of it - plus a little more.
As for outgoings - The £5.75 probably covers the amount by which we have exceeded £40m and of the players you're listing I only see Berbs being sold (with Kiko and potentially Bebe going out on loan).
I'd like to see a ball winning midfielder come in - but would be surprised if it actually happened.
T0MB0Z
T0MB0Z, of course if Nani and Anderson remain at the club we will not sign anyone else. I agree with that, although I think there is still a good chance both will go. Bebe & Kiko will only get loans if no one will commit to buying them. They are both now unwanted by the club. Perhaps a loan with view to permanent move is the most likely outcome?
I think our business is far from done just yet.
Sydney!
16 Aug 2012 20:48:07
Just for a bit of fun, Anyone care to predict the top 6 + 3 relegated at the end of the season? I'll start
1. United
2. City
3. Chelsea
4. Arsenal
5. Spurs
6. Newcastle
Wigan, Reading, Southampton relegated
Dylan
1. city
2. utd
3. chelsea
4. liverpool
utd- leauge cup winners, liverpool ufea cup winners..............lfc
Wigan have too much fight in them to go down. At the moment I'd say that Swansea, West Brom and Reading were my favourites to go down although Southampton may take West Brom's place.
As for the top 6 - I'd say...
United
City
Chelski
Newcastle
Arsenal
Liverpool (only due to Rodgers' managerial ability / footballing philosophy and Villa Boas' ineptitude)
T0MB0Z
Man Utd (just)
Citeh
Chelski
Newcastle (if they keep players)
Tottenham
Arsenal (Wiltshire missing all season)
Southampton, Villa, Wigan
DodgyBanter
United
Chelsea
City
Arsenal
Spurs
Liverpool
Swansea
QPR
Southampton
Welsh Dragon
1,United
2, City
3, Chelsea
4, Newcastle
5, Arsenal
6, Liverpool(unfortunatly)
Relegated: Reading West Brom and Norwich
I think the fact that Newcastle have kept all their players while adding a decent signing or two will mean they have the most settled side, where as Spurs have lost their manager and their best player. And Brendan Rodgers is a good manager who'll get the best out of his players unfortunately. Arsenal will suffer the loss of Rvp not just the goals he brings but him leaving will effect the players mentally.
One of the promoted team will definately go down, oddly enough i feel that Southampton are the least likely of the three do go back down with Reading the most likely. I think Lambert leaving Norwich will mean they'll struggle and West Brom are due a relegation. Wigan will be down there again but i think(and hope) they will survive.
Shappy
City
United
Chelsea
Arsenal
Newcastle
Liverpool
Fulham
Wigan
Norwich
Now the above is based on our current squad. If we added a LB and a top CM then we would top the league but I can't see us getting both unfortunately.
But here's hoping.
Jono
United
Chelsea
Arsenal
City
Newcastle
Spurs
Reading
Wigan
Norwich
TK-Red
16 Aug 2012 20:42:42
I'm going to stick my neck out and predict that I think Kagawa is going to be player of the season this year.
Supasub
16 Aug 2012 20:38:54
Ive read a lot about RVP being 'injury prone', granted he has had injury problems but mainly over 3 seasons ago. The last few years he has played more and scored more and just like say scholes, giggs, sheringham the older he's become the more he knows his body and can protect himself. On top of that arsenal played him every game at united he will be rotated. Top signing, enjoy it and stop worrying about his supposed injury problems.
Welsh Red
I doubt he will miss many games as a result of rotation (assuming he doesn't gets injured). When you've just committed to spending £24m on a player whose ability may begin to decline in a few years time - you play him as much as possible!
T0MB0Z
£15m with add ons will be the fee! RVP will get rested at certain times just like everyone! Remember Chicharito n Welbeck need game time.
Welsh Red
Everywhere bar one or two organisations are saying £22.5m rising to £24m. Gonna go with them on the figures if that's ok. How often was Rooney rested in the EPL last season. I can think of one game where he was dropped (Blackburn) and we all know how that turned out. If he's fit I expect RVP to feature in 34-36 EPL games for us next season.
T0MB0Z
Well I'm Just saying what David May said on MUTV as regards the fee. By your reckoning then Hernandez and Welbeck will only start 2-4 league games next season?
Welsh Red
T0MB0Z, to be fair I haven't heard a single organisation saying the deal is worth £22.5m rising to £24m. Several are saying the full amount is either £22m or £24m, but a few have said it's £15m rising to £22m or £24m. It's highly unlikely we would pay an initial fee over £20m for RVP and it's even more unlikely that add-ons will be as little at just £1.5m. I am sure Ed002 will update us soon, but if I was a betting man I would say it's a £15m initial fee with it rising to £22m. Of course you have every right to disagree mate.
Sydney!
Not at all - as there'll be games which Rooney and RVP will be unfit to play.
T0MB0Z
16 Aug 2012 21:06:55
Just wondering if anyone knows, did the medical go well?
I think during the summer, sir Alex bought football manager on the XBox and got hooked on it. When he returned to work he lost the run of himself .. Lol
If this is a dream, whoever wakes me up is getting a smack!
Who are we going to leave out of the starting 11?
So excited about the new season, mouth watering...
Cherk
16 Aug 2012 20:16:35
Have to say arsenes tribute was class and I admire arsenal as club and players frustration of not winning trophies but wenger great manager and RVP is pure class and it's hard for both to part company but I'm excited :)
Bryan
16 Aug 2012 20:14:39
who is going to Goodison Park on monday ? score predictions and who with the goals and your astarting team ?
Coombesy
P.S banter please Ed
4-1. 2 for Rooney, 1 for Kagawa and RVP to come off the bench to grab the 4th.
T0MB0Z
Sadly, despite being really looking forward to this new season's kickoff, I'm going for 2-2.
Everton are a nightmare, simply put. This wouldn't be a bad result at their gaff, first day and all that.
Everton - Jelavic (x 2)
United - Rooney & Valencia
RED_SKY
16 Aug 2012 20:14:28
Question for the Ed that knows about young prospects Ed022 i think,
Christian Tello.
Right if he is really good why are they selling and why are only Liverpool FC interested?
I saw him for Barca a few times, he scored a few goal and that.
Just baffled why the'd let him leave if he was as talented as i was led to believe.
Thanks holmes
Cban
16 Aug 2012 19:35:19
With the signing of rvp I think we are now sorted on the attacking front. I am starting to get overly exited for the season to start. I don't know about everyone else but this sounds mouth watering:
Nani picks it up in his own half and skips a challenge and then passes it infield to kagawa who automatically switches it to Valencia. Valencia takes it past a couple of players with his bursting pace and finds Rooney. Who lays it back off to kagawa with his brilliant instincts find rvp with a delightful first time pass who takes a touch and then plays a sublime one two with Rooney and rvp puts it in the back of the net.
Wow want a front line and that's without clevs.
Number 20 is ours
Neil
No one likes cockiness mate. Man city start favorites... the truth is it will be very close.
Danny LFC
I actually pictured that play
To think all them doubters, where are they now?
WYTHENSHAWE RED
Don't get ahead of yourself. We are all eagerly anticipating the start of the new season. But to to achieve number 20 isn't going to be easy like 1,2,3..... but we have a very good squad but perhaps 2 signings away from a complete squad. (LB,DM). Lets face it if Carrick gets injured we don't really have any cover unless we use Tunnicliffe as Anderson/Cleverley wold be wasted in a defensive position and Fletcher is some way away from a return to 1st team football.... hopefully he will do. One thing i will say about Fletcher is that he is a fighter and isn't giving up.
Mad Hatter
Mad Hatter
16 Aug 2012 19:30:24
Firstly guys, take a look at this, for me it really sums up our transfer policy well: eircomsports.eircom.net/News/Van-Persie-United-transfers.
Secondly, if Kagawa starts on the left hand side not only will we have zero commitment to covering the often wandering Evra but we will also get literally awful displays from him. I've watched Kagawa, like a few others for a couple of years now and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he played either poorly or simply was non-existent when he was shoved out wide to accommodate Gotze.
So, for those two reasons why can't United simply play like:
_______________GOALKEEPER_____________
_________________BACK 4_______________
__________CARRICK_____CLEVERLEY_______
TONI/NANI_______KAGAWA_____ROONEY/RVP
______________ROONEY/RVP______________
Obviously formations aren't as set in stone as they may appear, all 4 players can rotate successfully during a game but it just appears to me that this may be our strongest formation with Rooney's and Van Persie's ability to track back, cross, cut inside well and score.
For me, this will be our strongest line up, but I feel we're more likely to go 4-4-1-1 and play a similar system to this;
_________________DDG__________________
Raf/Toni_____Small_____Vidic________Evra__
Toni/Nani__Car/Scholes__Clevs/Kags__Young_
________________Rooney/RVP_____________
________________Rooney/RVP_____________
The Moon.
I couldn't disagree more, I have seen Kagawa play a lot too and he generally floats out to the left when playing central and he can play out on the left very effectively in a front 4.... I think he will be tried with Carrick then Rooney ahead of them and RVP up top and Nani and Toni out wide
16 Aug 2012 19:28:03
hi ed what do you think the score will be monday, i think 2-0 i personally like everton i think they are a good side but were the team to beat atm, whats your thoughts on everton lads? {Ed007's Note - 3-1.}
I just hope we win. Can't afford a slow start. Don't care if it's 8-0 or a scrappy last minute howler own goal, just so long as we win.
DodgyBanter
16 Aug 2012 19:09:35
Has anyone here ever heard of Oussama Assaidi?
Anyone?
Anyone at all?
Sydney!
Yeh yeh yeah!
he's......................
a nobody!
Cban
If you're a Liverpool fan, he's the next Messi - but they also thought Allen was better than Scholes and Carroll was better than Rooney.
Scouse muppets
Can't wait for them to get a right thrashing from a team like Stoke.
Had anyone heard of Javier Hernandez or how about the other guy Man United are trying to sign, Angelo Henriquez? Just because someone doesn't know of a player doesn't mean they aren't good. Unknown players become stars al the time, not saying Assaidi will but not all people would have thought Valencia from wigan, Ashley Young from watford, and many players would be playing for bigger teams. He could flop or he could light up the league. Why not wait and see chief.
Red Rat
Only in the last hour, imagine if they paid £35 million for him. I thinks it's to tap into the un-tapped Moroccan market.
Supasub
Wel yes of course ............ His mum..... Honestly ain't got a clue who he is but wanna see him play before I pass any sort of judgement............... I wonder has he heard of RVP .
CAIN
I have syd, he works at aldi in Hyde
Parkie mufc
Still got the Liverpool top in the closet I see Disney lad.
Jatt YNWA
Is it a curry?
JK92
No, why?
G.A.G.U.S
Yes. Not an amazing player and from memory he's around his mid twenties which suggests he wont improve too much more. He's also way too attacking to be signed whilst the defensive side of our midfield needs addressing so badly!
T0MB0Z
Nope not at all, but rodgers finds stars mate. Ed made a profile on him... cheers
Danny LFC
Perhaps we will return to your question at the end of the season Sydney...trust Rodgers to find more gems then no-value-in-the-market McBluster
Puzzled
Looks a great signing
Nope, Is he a youngster were after?
Dylan
Lol the only reason I have heard of him is because I signed him as a free agent on Football Manager. He was useless !
George
Yes syd hes a winger who can play across the right or left of midfield or through the middle, hes 23, scores good goals , has great pace, skill, and for 2.4 million- or the cost of rooneys yearly haircare- is a great bit of dealing from our manager br, who is the best young manager in europe, i think we will close the gap with you a lot quicker than you think syd............lfc
The Scousers have been banging on about Gaston Ramires, Theo Walcott & Adam Johnson, yet sign..... Damn I forgot his bloody name.
Sydney!
Liverpool fans have never heard of this bloke, yet he is now a great player. He is a cheap option because BR doesn't have the money to spend unless he sells Agger, Adam & Carroll. Liverpool's poor finances starting to take their toll.
Sydney!
You won't close the gap lfc, the problem been is were self sufficient and unlike liverpool fortunatley for us were not Liverpool. You lot have been bottling seasons for years
Your self-sufficiency isn't as nailed-on as you think. You have money-hungry owners who keep skimming off whatever cream there might have been. The only way things can add up is if there is no value in the market and spend (proportionately) little.
Now and then a crumb (RVP) has to be thrown to the masses to keep them beguiled
Puzzled
LFC,
"the best young manager in europe"...
I woulg go so far as to say that even AVB is better than rogers. I don't rate guardiola, but he's better than rogers.
nov00
PS. well done on on the carroll signing-he's turned out to be a real gem hasn't he!
Oh yeah puzzles no value in the market McBluster signed the German player of the year and the English player of the year for £40m stuff Liverpool fans dream of considering you paid £35m for Carroll I think weve got the bargain of the decade considering RvP is 100x the player Carroll is I don't think your post has any solidity or truth to it based on recent signings
Macca!
Puzzled, well at least we get crumbs like RVP, it could be worse, we could sign a nobody like Borini.
Oh, how did Ramires' medical go the other day ;)
Sydney!
16 Aug 2012 19:03:37
I just wanted to come over to your all's page and thank you for signing RVP. Maybe now we will see a dying down in the Torres whining since RVP has apparently become the new Torres. Congrats on that.
Red Rat
Nice call...before he's even kicked a ball for us! Come back in a few months or years, or never
Gav
That makes sense, RVP becomes the new Torres without even playing a game. Your name suits you.
CnM
No such luck mate Torres is still s**t.
SqueakyBum
Em ...............what? Are you tryin to compare RVP an Torres? Chalk an cheese ...... Night an day ....... Cat an dog ....... Keane an veira....... I could go on and on. But thanks for visiting and don't let the door hit your personic remarks on the way out .
CAIN
RVP didnt cost 50 million and the difference is he will score us goals!
James.
I for one have no idea what you're talking about, but sure, whatever pleases you darling.
Whistler.
Difference is, We didn't blow £50 million on RVP £14 Up front for the EPL's player of the season....So best go and jump on someone else's page......
The new Torres yet he wasn't the top scorer and Player of the season when Chelsea bought him and cost twice as much as RVP. It will be a surprise if Torres scores 15 goals this season where as RVP will be expecting 30+.
George
Andy carroll is the new torres isn't he and torres is the new andy carroll,joeyored
16 Aug 2012 18:54:26
Not a rumour but why are United not looking into Veloso? would solve the lb and cm questions
I think he's worth it and mentioned the same thing a couple of days ago regarding his versatility and can fill in at CB if needed. Mentioned him many many months ago also and got a shed load of disagrees.
Supasub
Has just left genoa for Russia.
Welsh Red
Veloso has signed for another club recently,but he isnt good enough for utd if you watched him in the euro,s he was very poor.looked decent 3-4 years back but seems to have deteriated
johndenton
Attitude problems. My portugese mate told me he was very arrogant and likes his drink.... and other things. But from what i have seen from him on the pitch he looks good.
Mad Hatter
16 Aug 2012 18:23:01
Just watching premier league years 2011 seeing us win the league and Hernandez and berba banging them in. Just like to say what a top lad berba Is and while il be glad he's going, I'll also be upset. He always thanked the assist for every goal.
Also I'm beginning to miss park and how much of a vital player he was for us.
Can't wait for Monday though
Jay-c
I hear u man. We should have treated him better. Wll be really sad to see him go. World Class player, Equals RVP, but sadly doesnt suit over style. :-(
I love that show!
Caolán.
I actually thought Park would have been a good left back.
Mad Hatter
16 Aug 2012 18:01:46
Will Kagawa be a regular starter?
Adam
How do we know?
RedDevil19
With the current squad I can only see two first teamers, Roo and Vida. Maybe some sort of partnerships for rotation, Cleverley + Carrick, Ando + Kagawa, and Giggs + Scholes as cover then the usual rotation for wingers. Don't know? What are your thoughts?
Tommy
No I'm pretty sure he will remain Japanese . :) zzzzz
CAIN
Yep
G.A.G.U.S
16 Aug 2012 18:06:33
With the addition of RVP, if we want to get the best out of kagawa we should play this team:
3412
De gea
Smalling. Vidic. Ferdinand Valencia. Scholes. Clevs/carrick. Nani/young
Kagawa
Rooney. RVP
Kagawa would float around between helping out in cm so we don't get overrun in there and helping out the strikers and wingers in attack
I don't know to much about henriquez. It would be much appreciated if someone could tell me a bit about him.
My opinion is that he should be loaned back to universidad till january and then a 6 month loan to a prem team
Thoughts?
JohnTheRedMaroon
Valencia at left back? You do know he only has a right foot?
Think Henriquez will go home for the full year, nowhere near ready for a Prem team yet.
16 Aug 2012 17:53:14
With RVP, Rooney and Kagawa all roaming forwards could you see a 4 3 3 with all 3 given freedom to roam. All three have amazing movement so I'm sure it could work, all though I've put RVP on the left, kagawa on the right and rooney in the middle they could swap through out the game.
--------------De Gea-------------
Rafa----Ferdinand-Vidic----Evra
--Valencia--Carrick--Cleverley-
---Kagawa--Rooney--RVP-------
Red Joe
That midfield will get overrun by the top teams, we need more steel.
MU93
--------------DDG--------------
Rafa====Ferd=====Vidic====Evra
=======Carrick====Clevs=======
Tony=======Rooney======Kagawa
===========RVP==============
jred
Watch Cleverley in our last game, it's on youtube it shows every touch he has and you'll see he has plenty of steel and is a good tackler as well as a great passer.
Red Joe
Carricks is clever defencivly and Valencia is one of the strongest players in the league how is that not steel?
Red Joe
I'd pretty much agree with jred - that's the team I'd like to see to be honest
Hallis
16 Aug 2012 17:10:30
Just a thought guys......everyone keeps on mentioning RVP's injuries....and at £20 - 24 million it's a massive gamble.....however I don't think so.
Remember a certain Ruud Van Nistelrooy joining us in 2001 at age 25. He was just over a ruptured cruciate knee ligament injury (one of the worst types of injuries for footballers) yet we paid £20 million and we know how that worked out......
Hopefully it will be double dutch for us this time again.............
16 Aug 2012 16:48:35
I believe this is a fantastic signing by SAF. I really did not think it would happen, but it shows that when SAF really wants a player he will do everything to get him. The price is certainly steep, but take away the fact that he has only one year left in his contract and it looks a bargain. POTY 11/12, top scorer 11/12, free-kick taker, penalty taker, left-footed, fast, great dribbler. I don't give a damn about his age - he should have at least 4 good years ahead of him. Fantastic player!
Regarding his position, I wonder does SAF have an idea of playing him in his original left-wing position in a 4231 formation, or perhaps as the left-sided attacking striker in a 433 shape, or as part of a joint striker-force alongside Rooney? We have so many attacking options now with the arrival of RVP and Kagawa (and Henriquez)
I am also happy to see from ED002 that we are interested in Witsel - maybe not my choice, but at least SAF is looking to strengthen this area (and LB).
I can't wait for Monday night.
J Bones.
When Ferguson really wanted Moura he did not get him.
The Frenchman
He is not fast
16 Aug 2012 16:20:50
Hey all first time post for me great site btw can't get enough of it all I want to say is yet again fergie has done it what a man if he can pull off signing witsel we will be sorted excited for Monday to see wazza and rvp rip Everton appart {Ed007's Note - Thanks and welcome to the site.}
16 Aug 2012 16:17:11
Not much of a rumour but I was having a look at the Arsenal rumour page and there is a guy on there saying we got a weak defence well someone obviously didn't tell him we got one the best Cb in the league back from injury. Vidic and Ferdinand have to be one of the best if not thee the best cb pair in the league. What also was funny a guy saying he would rather have Bendntar in the team then Berba oh please Berba is a much more gifted player then Bedntar.
C'mon United Bring The Title home
Hate to be a party pooper but Kompany is the best cb in the league.
MU93
Whilst I agree with the sentiment I don't understand why the original poster wants the title back at Anfield
Puzzled
They are on par in my eyes.... Vidic has the strength and decisions where as Kompany has the pace advantage. You put them together in a team they would be the best centre back partnership I have ever seen and perhaps one of the best ever...
16 Aug 2012 16:08:27
2 days ago i put in a comment telling you that RVP was going to have a bid accepted by manchester united... Admins never put it up instead i seen they allowed a very unreliable one which said 'my friend who works for DHL said this and that', I did say my mate the bookmaker told me to do it and well cha-ching :)
Would make more sense if DHL drivers rumours stayed off the site and some reliable sources were put up instead! Cheers, Even though this post wont be submitted due to admin criticism.
-Newton Heath {Ed007's Note - Did you notice the DHL rumour was removed? If your post wasn't posted there will have been a reason, suck it up and deal with it. We have enough to do with reading moaning, pointless posts like this, grow up.}
16 Aug 2012 16:06:27
Edds or syd I have been reading the other posts regarding united making any more signings but getting mixed thoughts just wanted your views has use seem more accurate than most and if you feel there will be more signings who do you believe we have in mind cheers
16 Aug 2012 16:28:04
I am thinking this will be the team on Monday.
____________DDG
ToniV__Carrick___Vidic__Evra
______Kagawa___Clevers___
Nani_______Rooney___Young
____________RVP_________
I think Rafael will be given more time due to Olympic duty and there is no fit centre back apart from Vidic I believe. It could be a tight game with that defence.
George
Has Ferdinand been injured?
Red Joe
I can tell you now it won't be. Far too attackive. We will get destroyed at the back.
Welsh Dragon
Ferdinand is fit
Oh my bad Ferdinand is fit? So he would take his place at the back Carrick back into centre midfield and Kagawa played along side him?
George
16 Aug 2012 16:00:06
Does anybody know what shirt number RVP will be given?
Number 9 I imagine as berba is destined to leave.
Welsh Red
16 Aug 2012 15:24:37
Speculation that Chicharito would be leaving because of RVP is total rubbish.
Agreed - SAF has ready said that he's aiming for a situation like 99 with 4 top class strikers he can mix and match - I don't see macheda r berbatov bein in that group
16 Aug 2012 15:22:54
Robin van Persies house got set on fire last night, police believe it was Arsene.
DB-Red
Good one!
Gav
Classic!
Tommy
OLD one
Puzzled
16 Aug 2012 15:17:05
On a side note, listening to Danny Welbeck on Sky Sports News, and he sounds like a really level headed lad, who will only get better with age!
Bring on monday, cmon you reds!
tbir.
16 Aug 2012 15:12:33
Just saw the laziest rumour, CHICHARITO IN SHOCK MOVE TO ARSENAL.
What a load of rubbish, Arsene is not interested in players that aren't influential in build up play.
As a side note though, love that we got RVP but is anyone worried about the amount of forwards we have now? I hope we can accommodate a formation where we get the best out of Kagawa. Only a slight concern, i'm sure Fergie has a plan.
Red Joe
Would think this means the end of one of either Danny or Chica! That is unless fergie plays with 2 strikers otherwise they are gonna get alot less game time! Think Danny will stay at United but Fergie may cash in if Chica gets a few goals. Wasn't there talk of Madrid making a 20 million move for him last summer! doubt that is still on but if he has another decent season i can see us getting an offer or two for the lad.
All of this is just presumptions though, We dont know whats going on behind closed doors but i cant wait to see what happens this season.
Well you think wrong my friend. Danny and Chicha are both staying put.
Sydney!
Sydney
I wonder how Hernandez feels about being 4th choice ,that will be key. Also how does SAF see Henriquez and his role.
Red Man
Red Man, Hernandez' agent has already spoken out to quash the ludicrous rumours about him leaving. Hernandez will play a lot next season. We will have stronger attacks for the cups and group stages of the UCL. I imagine if Henriquez gets a work permit he will play in the U21's league. If he is refused a work permit he will stay in Chile or go to FC Twente, Antwerp or Molde.
Sydney!
16 Aug 2012 14:53:55
Does anyone expect any more signings to come in. I would still like Dembele to come in and maybe a left back.
Witsel or Dembele for CM and a LB would be great business! Finger's crossed there's more to come. Baines would be my 1st choice LB but if not poss just get someone to cover Evra for his last year (hopefully)
Gav
16 Aug 2012 14:44:35
Reckon Rooney be used in midfield with RVP and Welbeck/chicarito/new chile lad up front. Rooney the new scholes?
Has the ability but i doubt Fergie would waste his our attributes in Midfield. Plus Rooney Prefers playing up front.
'New Chilean lad' Henriquez will be going on loan I would imagine. People see a signing and assume they will be in the first team in 2 weeks. The lad is for the future of the club.
GDS
GDS
He may also be seen in the same light as Powell and given a chance
Red Man
Red Man, I think Powell may play in the U21's league next season. Tunnicliffe too. It will be a way of keeping them fit and competitive. They will probably go out on loans after Christmas.
Sydney!
16 Aug 2012 13:58:01
Just asking. If rvp and rooney are both playing , kagawa is a winger? Or he plays cm? Because if he is playing cm , he gonna be not as good, as He should be( like ando) .we should have signed sami khedira or m'villa instead of rvp, because we are not lacking goals , we are gerring crushed in the centre of the field by good teams such as city , barca etc. IMHO
We lose the league on GOAL Difference...
GDS
Wel we are lackin goals we lost on goal difference
CAIN
GDS - exactly if we had been stronger in midfield and conceded less goals we would have won the league. See how easy it is to put a different slant on it.
Keanooh
Simple Welbeck is not good enough to start week in week out not reaching 20 goals in a top 4 club for a whole season is lack lustre he will only get better though with age so RVP is the perfect cure for now then Welbeck will take over in a few years.
Keanooh,
Fair point but I believe we lost the league in games such as the Fulham game where we won 1-0, and the Wigan game where we lost 1-0 and failed to score goals. Even the 2nd last game of the season when we knew we needed 8+ goals we only got 2 against Swansea in a 2-0 win.
United of old used to go for the jugular, 2-0 up you would expect 4, 5, even 6, 7, 8, 9 on occasions. Last season how many times did we put a team to the sword and try and win by more than 1 or 2?
GDS
Great point keanooh
Flimbo
GDS - I would say losing 7-1 on aggregate to City was a major factor, that was a swing of 12 goals to them and that is a hell of a lot of goals to make up.
Keanooh
We lost the city game 6-1 because jonny Evans got sent off, so we need to make sure our central defenders don't get sent off and we will win the league?
GDS
16 Aug 2012 13:52:28
RVP goals and assists since joining arsenal.
04-05 10 goals 1 assist
05-06 11 goals 2 assists
06-07 13 goals 8 assists
07-08 9 goals 5 assists
08-09 20 goals 15 assists
09-10 10 goals 9 assists
10-11 22 goals 7 assists
11-12 37 goals 15 assists
and that with average players around him..
JK92
We had this the other day, you are being unfair to Arsenal to suggest their players during that time have been average.
Fabregas, Henry, Vieira were certainly not average.
Looks good for him coming to us though, impressive record. Think I read he has the most assists in the premier league since 2008 which is again very impressive.
I cannot wait!
GDS
Have you noticed the one anomaly there? pretty much all the over seasons he scored about 10 goals apart from last. If little robin Van Persie gets one injury then it turns out to be a massive waste of money. 24 million for someone who is pushing 30 is crazy. Never thought the likes of United would consider it. especially when you add his massive contract to the bill to. I personally think you should have stuck with rooney and welbeck or rooney or hernandez. Both much younger and a lot less injury prone. I thought last season some of the link up play between rooney and welbeck was really impressive. I think you should have strengthened over area like your centre of midfield or your defence before splashing mad money on a striker who usually has regular seasons. Like to know your thoughts .... cheers
Danny
Utd r. Full of average plyers
Put it this way... If Fergie was managing some of those Arsenal teams... they would not have won nothing in the last 7 years... At times in those years they had a better team than us but we have the winning mentality that fergie influences
RedKnight
Danny,
In the 3 seasons prior to the last one he scored 52 goals, an average of just over 17 a season. You can choose to ignore that if you like but it is fact that he scores a lot of goals.
As you say he is 'injury prone' but he manages to score 17 goals a season, and 20 or more in 3 of the last 4 seasons?
He has played on average more than 30 games a season in his Arsenal career, so yes he has had injury problems, but I believe some of them were freak impact injuries and not the same injury over and over again which would suggest 'injury prone'
One last thing, 'pushing 30'. After his first full season at United he will still not be 30.
GDS
16 Aug 2012 13:13:14
What does everyone think the starting like up vs Everton on monday will be? will RVP go straight in? your thoughts please
Ta :-)
Fergie said he will play.
Caolán.
I imagine that RVP will start providing he is registered by Friday, but Kagawa will probably start on the bench. Kagawa will take longer to settle into the League. I will predict this:
__________DDG
Tony__Ferdy__Vidic__Evra
Nani__Carra__Clevs__Young
__________Roo
__________RVP
Subs: Lindegaard, Wooton, Anderson, Giggs, Scholes, Kagawa, Hernandez.
RedDevil19
I doubt RVP will start on Monday but if he is confirmed as a United player by the deadline tomorrow then he will certainly be on the bench.
Welsh Dragon
I think it will be
De Gea
Raf (or Valen) Ferd Vida Evra
Carrick
Kagawa
Nani Young
Rooney Robin
Or else Rooney and Kagawa will be behind RVP and the line up will stay the same.
James
He will start on the bench hes not match fit
Can see him being on the bench to start with... He would only have max 2 training sessions before the game so wouldnt be quite ready to start
RedKnight
RVP has not had a full pre season so i doubt he will play the 90 mins.
I think he'll start on the bench as he hasn't played much. I also think we may allow Rafael a rest because he's played a lot
I'd quite like to see this lineup:
__________DDG__________
ToniV___Ferd__Vidic___Evra
_____Cleverly_Carrick____
Nani_____Kagawa____Young
_________Rooney________
Bring on RVP for 20/30 mins
Gav
16 Aug 2012 12:04:33
I'd just like to say that at the age of 33/34 drogba was still Chelsea's best player and the reason they won the champions league last season, so there is no reason why RVP can't do the same for us.
MelonRed
He was the reason we won the champions league, but most Chelsea fans would say either Mata or Ramires was our best player last year.
Rowan
16 Aug 2012 11:43:18
GDS
A net spend of £80m over 7 years prior to RVP gives you no room whatsoever to give any credit to our owners, none. RVP is a step in the right direction but not enough , it is their next actions that will be telling
Red Man
-----------
I have perhaps misjudged the hatred for the Glazers with my post. I was not giving them credit, just merely a tongue in cheek remark that I was awaiting the Glazer haters to put a spin on the RVP signing that means they could still slag them off.
I do not see the point in coming on here and repeating the same old stuff about the Glazers, we all know what they are doing to the club, being upset and crying about it on a rumours website is hardly going to stop them is it.
I was proved right within about 10 minutes as Kloot posted a long long long post slating the Glazers and did not mention we had just signed the player of the season and probably the signing of the summer, (I have now read Kloots post and and somewhat agree with it for the most part.
Last night was a fantastic night for United, we made a great signing, I wanted to enjoy it and every United fan in the world should have done.
I just knew it wouldn't be long before the negative posts started, that's all.
GDS
Kloot copied and pasted an article and posted it before the signing was announced. You didn't even read his post and then acted as if the RVP signing countered everything said in an article you didn't even read. He made another post about the signing but you didn't reply to that.
You were, again, the first person to link RVP to the Glazers. Literally trying to gode people out as if signing one player counters the hundreds of millions that has gone from the club under their ownership.
RVP is a world class player and I don't think anyone is unhappy that he was signed. But you're the one who started to use it to score political points for the Glazers. I don't know what your argument or motivations for that are?
Danny Pughnited
Net spend ! Net spend!! For gods sake - net spend is one (ONE) factor you can look at when establishing investment levels - but when a business has already got great assets it becomes far less relevant especially in comparison to others who assets are/ where crap. Also when you are sitting on a massive asset (Ronaldo) it again becomes less relevant.
And I am not defending the Glazers just as I wouldn't defend the Butchers before them - but please get some sense of balance
Mike
Danny,
I just explained that didn't I? Everything you just said was answered in my post above, then you moan at me for not reading things.
I didn't read kloots post originally as the banter part of this site in my opinion should have been all positive and I didn't want something bringing me down like I knew kloots post would.
I say above that I have now read kloots post and agree to it. Many other people posted stuff about the glazers last night not just me and mine was only a joke as I said above.
People need to relax and not get so het up about the glazers, especially you, I et when your boyfriend does something wrong you don't speak to him for weeks.
GDS
Homophobia is about your level alright GDS. If I did have a boyfriend do you honestly think that would insult me?
Danny Pughnited
Homophobia? There was no sign of homophobic talk from GDS he clearly stated his opinion between you and your boyfriend, If he said girlfriend instead it would be exactly the same thing. In all honesty Danny all you do is moan and talk negative... We have had an insane summer and it isnt finished yet anything can happen.
George
16 Aug 2012 11:41:27
A couple of weeks ago i said Van Persie was all propaganda from United to appease the fans, well i was wrong, still not sure how SAF is gonna play everyone n keep them happy, but thats his job and why hes the best. The glazers are still the biggest tosspots going, dont forget we are paying for them the have an asset worth 1.5 billion or what ever it was. I know i have a downer on them, but id expect nani to leave now to cover Van Persies cost, Welbeck, Young and Rooney will all cover the left. Net transfer spend O by the end of August!!!
Bodgerico
16 Aug 2012 11:16:15
I'm sticking by what I said from the start, I don't want RVP at Old Trafford and never have. We've paid at least 20 million (looks like 24) for a player who we will get about 2 good seasons from. Compare this to our three other signings...young guys with a long future at the club. What are we playing at?! Just think where that money could of been spent? A top class CM or LB, maybe even both! We now have 12 strikers on our books (including the reserves/academy and including Henriquez and Berbatov). I know we lost be goal difference last season, but come on...that's a bit of over kill! Our only creative talent in midfield lies with Cleverly and Kagawa, excellent players but they can't carry us for the whole season. I now do not know how we can incorporate Kagawa, Rooney, RVP, Nani and Valencia (IMO our best attacking players) into one squad. Players will lose out, and I believe that will be of huge disadvantage to us later in the season. If we don't sign a CM we will be in trouble this season, scoring goals is great but number one, we need to get the ball to the goal scorers and, number 2, we need to retain the ball. Can Anderson, Carrick and Cleverly all do that for 90 minutes? No they can't. Really hope the news coming tomorrow is a CM otherwise, and criticize all you want, i'll be incredibly disappointed in out transfer window. Not for the players we have got, but for the players we haven't. Rant over!
Andy
Would you rather the money went on paying for an IPO instead? Or on interest? Or buying back bonds?
Sydney!
If only we had signed the PFA player of the year and only player to score more goals that Rooney last season. Oh hang on, we have!
GDS
Okay...
youre counting that many forwards, but name how many will get close to the first time? Berby will be sold soon, hopefully macheda too, if not he'll be on loan, bebe will be loaned out. Kagawa and Clevs are nowhere near our only creative players. Rooney, nani, toni, scholes, carrick, young, evra and no rvp can all pick a pass and claim assists. Rvp is brought in for the now, whats the point in only looking at the future. If we did that we would be exactly in arsenals shoes of waiting years without a trophy for our players potentials to materialise. i agree we need a keane type player and beleive the only player that could emulate that is Martinez, but if fletcher gets back to his self, we have our fix.
Trust the great scot to sort it out, there is no way he will let the events of last year happen again. Time and time again he has come back stronger. Everyone says last year our team was the worst ever, people were saying the same in 2004 - 2006. Then im sure you can remember what happened after that
Fagan
I can still see us signing a quality CM in the next few days.
Mr Q
16 Aug 2012 11:06:12
I would personally like to see a holding midfielder that can pass the ball like xavi. Of course xavi would never leave barca. I think moutinho or sahin would be brilliant for our current team. What do you think?
Jesus Christ! Sadly my first ever contribution to this great site is wondering what will ever make people like the OP happy? Moan when UTD don't spend. Moan when they do. I for one cannot wait to see RVP in a proper red shirt. Wonderful signing. Wonderful talent, and a good chance that he will contribute hugely to T20. If you want to bicker over how to spend money join the women's institute FFS.
Where in that post did he/she complain about anything? Im sure everybody would like a cm to come in, me included.
MU93
HOPE ITS NOT YOUR LAST POST,WELL SAID MY FRIEND.WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.
QUINNER99
16 Aug 2012 11:01:55
No value in the market? We just signed Kagawa, Henriquez, Powell and Van Persie for 44m. I think that's good value considering PSG are paying 35m for Lucas Moura.
Dylan
16 Aug 2012 10:54:37
For all the 'would be' talent Moura has, i think RVP and Kagawa for the SAME MONEY is a helluva lot better. Kagawa deal is beyond belief really. With United's 'interest' in Witsel perhaps coming to the fore by the time the sceond PL game has kicked off, we may yet have a very VERY strong midfield.
I can see Cleverly really excelling, Carrick maintaing what he did last year, with the usual Ginger maestro plucking everyone's strings. Basically i think we have a squad capable of winning the league and going a long way in the CL - final with possible victory.
Anoter signing would be delightful, as long as its not a squad player - our depth is plenty good as it is.
DTDuff
16 Aug 2012 10:57:58
It's really exciting news indeed of rvp signing. 'll be gr8 to see rooney-rvp combo, no least i would be hoping for is a decent lb and 20th here we come
NSN
20th ? Even I think you will get higher than 20th..
Puzzled
He mean's the 20th PL title
16 Aug 2012 10:32:41
Lets put this into perspective...we have signed RVP and Kagawa for around £36 million. That is incredible value for money and inside out allegid £40 million budget. Add the £4 million in their for Powell and we have spent our £40 million. I am very happy that RVP has signed, he will be fantastic and we should be able to at least get a good 4 years out of him. Hopefully Macheda can roughly finance the deal for Henriquez. Park, De Laet, James and Berbatov should be able to fund a move for a left back. So that just leaves us with the need for an extra central midfielder.
The question now is, do we get a central midfielder. I'm sure we get a left back, but do we have the cash for a central midfielder who will cost over £20 million like Axel Witsel. If not Witsel then i'd like Dembele, however Dembele would just be a squad player whilst Witsel would be a top buy for us and add extra quality to the squad.
Heaven knows how we will line up, something like this perhaps...
__________DDG
Rafa__Ferdy__Vidic__Evra
Tony__Carra__Clevs__Nani
__________Roo
__________RVP
Not sure how Kagawa fits in now, but we will soon see.
RedDevil19
Maybe something like this.
---------------DDG------------------
Rafael---Vidic----Ferdinand---Evra
----Tony-----Carrick----Cleverly---
----------Rooney----Kagawa--------
-----------------RVP------------------
Its a kind of 451/433 formation. Tony offers width and strength in midfield, Rooney can drop deep to cover if needed.
That is how I think we will start against Everton, then I think Everton will finally sell Baines to us.
1redarmy
How about 4-3-3 with Kagawa in place of Nani?
Sydney!
He fits in like this.
sorry no room for Velencia for me..
_______ De Gea
Raf _ Rio _ Vidic _ Evra
_ Carrick _ Cleverly
Nani _ Rooney _ Kagawa
_____ Van Persie
OXred
___________De Gea
_______Ferdy_____Vidic
Tony.V______Witsel______Baines
_____Carrick_______Clever
___________Kagawa
_____Rooney______V.Persie
Perhaps the diamond formation?
Sydney!
___________De Gea
_______Ferdy_____Vidic
Tony.V______Witsel______Baines
______Clevers____Kagawa
___________Rooney
_____Welbeck_____V.Persie
Sydney!
__________De Gea
______Ferdy_____Vidic
Tony.V_____Witsel_____Baines
_____Clevers____Anders
__________Kagawa
_____Rooney_____V.Persie
Sydney!
Oxred
no room for valencia
are u kidding ????
you ll put our no 7 on the bench??/ lord help him get his brain in the right place....
Wouldnt mind seeing this:
____________De Gea
___Jns/Small/Evns____Vidic_____Ferdy
Valencia________________________Evra
_________Scholes_____Cleverly
______________Kagawa
_________Rooney______RVP
With the possibility of Rooney playing along side Kagawa behind RVP, Which turns into a 5-4-1 When we are playing defensively, with rooney on the right and Kagawa on the left. Not a permenant Formation due to Nani and young wont get much game time with this, but i would like to see how this team would play.
James.
____________DDG________________
RAF______RIO____VIDA______EVRA
_______CLEVZ______CARRICK___
_______________KAGZ_____________
TONI_________RVP____________ROONEY
16 Aug 2012 10:32:07
Where did this rumour come about that there would be another announcement from Old Trafford today?
Everyone (like myself) is hoping it will be another signing, but it could be Gill/Ferguson telling us that the RVP was the last signing.
Still think we will have to get rid of Berbatov quickly...although there doesn't seem to be any buyers....I can't understand, as only 2 seasons ago he was the leagues top scorer. £5 million is a bargain!
Supposedly a bwin betting partnership to replace Betfair.
RMD
16 Aug 2012 10:04:40
Fergie & Gill always said we are looking at bringing 2/3 players in. (obviously to bring straight into the squad)
That Swiss keeper, Powell & Henriquez are youth development and don't count as improvement on the first team as yet.
Kagawa & van Persie do.
Okay that leaves one more..........
Baines 13m Cissokho 10m Oveido 6.5m LB
Eriksen 25m Dembele 10m + Berbatov, Witsel 27m CM
Gaitan 22m J.Rodriguez 30m Isco 15m LW/LAM
But who & what position?
I think we need to take advantage of the Malaga situation and snap up Isco. Spanish star.
I think a Class CM would please alot more fans and complete our team, though I think Cleverly will be class next season. I would say Dembele or Baines just because I dont think we have money left now.
1redarmy
Would love to see Witsel in our Midfield, but will have to sell first to make a bit of cash to fund it, Berba will leave, If Witsel is to come in i doubt Anderson will be playing much due to Kagawa, Cleverly, Carrick, Powell, Scholes, Jones (to a certain extent) and up coming youth players. So if Anderson and Berba are sold i would go for Witsel.
16 Aug 2012 10:01:43
RVP wants trophies, if he wanted purely cash then he would have went to City, PSG or Anzhi who would have blew us out of the water.
Sydney!
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Can't agree more on this Syd. But my question is, even for a "mercenary" can football madness be a decent enough reason to wish a "broken leg" or "career ending enjury"?
Deeps...
Deeps...
Keep your wishful thinking to yourself and step away from th RVP voodoo doll.
: - )
United have purchased the fear factor back, any person who claims otherwise is just that.
I'm waiting for Kompany to come out and say he isn't worried about coming up against Shrek and Rvp with Kagwa behind them.
Might be slight rose tinting in my vision but i think we have the best frontline in the prem. add that to The supporting cast of Toni, Nani, Kagawa (Carrick/Ando)
Now for the defence (bit broken at the moment. lol )
Monk
I would be lying if I said I hadn't hoped the same fate to happen to a rival player. Some footballers are vile human beings.
Sydney!
Monk
"Wishful thinking"? ... Sorry didn't get that!
But yeah, "The Fear Factor" is back!
Deeps...
Sydney
i prefer to leave it to karma,if there is such a thing then karma will deliver its blow.its not so much a utd thing,but when you tell your family and everyone who would listen how much they mean to you and how much you love them only to feck off into the night with the next door neighbours wife! well that gives you an insight into RATs sorry RVPs morals and scruples.he basically said the same as rooney and we all know what that was about kerching!. rvp wanted money but he also wants to play every week and he loves getting admiration from the fans,there was only one club that could offer him that utd.so when he gets the enevitable sh-t from the arsenal fans for the rest of his career,just remember its not a utd thing and just because he wears the utd shirt doesnt make him any less a parasite as a man
trev the gooner
16 Aug 2012 10:00:09
We almost have a complete team.
First sell Berbatov, Macheda & Anderson
To raise funds for one cm & one Lb.
Cm: LB:
Witsel, Baines,
Khadira, Oveido or
M'villa or Izzaguirre
Dembele
My first choice would be Khadira & baines {Ed007's Note -
16 Aug 2012 09:30:14
to be honest i don't see the point in you signing Robin Van Persie. You've got Berbatov, who to be fare he signed at the same age, similar price and in the same sort of form really. Berbatov is still in form and i think you should focus on singing a holding midfeilder, just my opinion.
ChelseaLad
Berbatov is leaving and RVP is his replacement. If you think the form of Berbatov and RVP is the sign I am unsure where you were last season.
You do know you won the Champions League?
GDS
Berbs in form? on fifa?
He hasn't played enough to be on form and all this nonsense we are going to get from other teams fans is because I think they are worried how good this could be.
1redarmy
To be honest ! I can't see why Chealski are buying so many midfielders !
Maybe your going to play 3-6-1 !!
Or 4-7-0 in Europe ahah
fozzy58
I think you should focus on that position tbh. Youve got great talent going forward, but just sit back and sit back waiting for a counter attack. You are a terrible team to watch
How many times have you watched us with kagawa, Cleverley and rvp in the team? That's right, none, so how can you judge us before the season starts.
If that comes from a Chelsea fan as well then oh my god that's ridiculous.
GDS
16 Aug 2012 09:47:20
In the last 4 years RVP has played 109 league games and scored or created 106 goals. Not bad for someone 'injury prone'
Opta says that in his time at Arsenal he created 315 chances to score. Only 38 assists tells you all you need to know. Genius player not good enough team. I think he will assist more in 3 years with us than his 7 years at arsenal.
1redarmy
Robin Van Persie, has had 2 seasons since hes been at Arsenal, where he has played less that 30 games, all other season's it has been 30+
U.T.I.D
16 Aug 2012 09:06:45
Banter please Ed's'
I'm not going to slate Lucas Moura, that would be crass, as I would've been over joyed if he signed. But now we have the beauty of Hind site, Fergie really pulled it out the bag. I know I definitely am happier and prefer RVP & Kagawa for 34ish Million.
How good is the Piers Morgan twitter debacle?! The funny thing is he says "United and Arsenal are 'bitter rivals'!" I don't think they have been for about 5 years now eh?
The futures bright, the futures red!
Andy S.
16 Aug 2012 08:32:54
ok i will hold my hand up and say i was wrong,i really didnt think we would have the funds to buy rvp ,a very pleasant surprise...andog
16 Aug 2012 08:10:28
With the imminant signing of RVP it is likely that we'll only see one more signing at most. Now we could do with a strong midfielder, cover at LB and possible someone left footed for the LW. Thats three areas we could do with signing someone for. So if we could only sign one more player who would you want it to be?
Personally being a smart arse i'd sign Vurnon Anita as he is the strong midfielder we need and he can cover at LB. Lol.
Shappy
I'd prefer the strong holding midfielder, ideally we could have signed Vertonghen as he can play holding midfield, left back and centre back.
Someone like M'Vila, Witsel or a player who can put a challenge in would be great.
Rjmanutd
I think we will sign one more player and I have a feeling it will be a central midfielder. For me If Ed002 is correct and Witsel comes it will be an amazing summer although it leaves us short at left back. Jonny Evans can play there as he has done for Northern Ireland in the past, albeit he's not great there. Does anyone know if Fabio could come back from QPR if Evra is injured?
andydee mufc
16 Aug 2012 08:08:01
Nick Powell £4m
Shinji Kagawa £12m
Robin Van Persie £22.5m
Total £38.5m
Lucas Moura to P.S.G £35m
I'm sure these three signings are proved to be far better the a single 19-year old Brazilian.
May me new kid Ángelo Henríquez if, then it takes the figure to £42m just £7m more then Brazilian and we get 4 out class players.
What do you guys think?
Aly
United were in for both Lucas and RVP, getting RVP maybe for more than we hoped for but does that mean the majority of the lucas money is still there? a midfield brute to sit in front of the D would make it a perfect summer imo.
Giants14
16 Aug 2012 08:05:13
Just thought I would give my view on rvp and injuries. At arsenal ever since the French bloke with the English name Henry went rvp has needed to step up, done get me wrong it's probably what made him the player he is today however arsenal have needed him to play every single game he could. That sort of game time and rushing back from niggles or injuries will take its toll. At united he won't have that problem as we have the cover and strength in our squad to be able to rest him so he is sharp for the season.
My final point is anyone can get injured, at anytime. You could of gone 3-4 seasons without an injury then join a new club and pull a hammy or break your big toe.
Rvp will be great for us!
REDP
16 Aug 2012 07:57:44
RvP has 2 honours to show for Arsenal since 2004, had he been at Old Trafford since then he would have 13.
And arsenal fans wonder why he wanted to leave. Some players being loved by your supporters isn't enough, he wants winners medals!
REDP
16 Aug 2012 07:46:59
Now our attack is complete with the inclusion of RVP to our squad; because if you ask me welbeck was half baked now he has some time to concentrate on improving.
RedHood
16 Aug 2012 05:33:16
Hi all, I'm a Liverpool fan coming in peace. Just wanna say that it's nice to see Fletcher recovering from his horrific disease and playing the last 30 min against Aberdeen. Yeah, I don't really like Man Utd but it's always nice to see footballers recovering from long lay-offs and playing again (like Lucas for us).
Another thing, congratulations on securing the services of RVP. He's a top notch striker.Rooney and RVP *potentially* could be a deadly strike partnership. Hopefully, he stays injury free and you get the best of him. I'm sure you guys don't want to see him wasting away on the treatment table?
Anyway, I think the title's gonna be a straight fight between you guys and City so good luck. I don't Chelsea can challenge although they have some of the best attacking midfielders but RDM's too darned defensive. Probably gonna get the sack after a string of poor results, but what's new for Roman? ;)
And as for Liverpool, hopefully we can finish in the Top 4 and qualify for the Champions League. We're the sleeping giants of English football. It would be nice to enjoy those memorable European nights once again. Hopefully Rodgers can do it! :)
Good luck slugging it out with your noisy neighbours next season!
YNWAsin16
What a breath of fresh air this post is, all views much appreciated.
Good luck for the season, I for one cannot wait until Saturday at 3pm for Jeff and the boys!
GDS
Great post. Good luck for the season ahead (ish, lol). I agree it will be between us and City IMO. I see L'pool improving under BR and finishing 5th/6th but I wouldn't be that surprised if you sneak 4th
Gav
16 Aug 2012 02:03:44
In my language i say ,'sokuphelile'',meanng its done so ,RVP is done and now ours,lets move to the next IN.....who is set to be announced next,as the lub said we have another announcement today....,is it Eriksen..?.,or Witsel..,or M'Villa..,or Khedire
15 Aug 2012 22:45:13
Ed002, will you be able to let us know the accurate figures involved in the RVP deal when you get them? So many figures being bandied about and would be nice to know the accurate figures. Thanks.
Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Perhaps, if I see something.}
16 Aug 2012 03:03:08
Would have preferred Lewandowski over Van Persie as he is a long term prospect, but anybody would be happy with a player like Van Persie's caliber joining their club, so I welcome this deal.
Has anyone heard anything about United having already agreed a deal with Dortmund to allow Lewandowski to come to United once his transfer expires ? (for a fee of about £20m)
16 Aug 2012 02:12:59
RVP was not just signed for the obvious footballing reasons, but having world class players like him in your squad also attracts interest when trying to buy players, as they will fantasize about playing with the likes of him and Rooney, I expect one more transfer this window( excluding Henriquez as he is as good as ours, same with RVP) I think a LB on loan is what we need, we have aenough CM now, Andersdon can play the holding role, he can tackle and is confident on the ball, his movement offthe ball isn't great but overall he is good enough. Carrick can also play a holding role, but I think SAF will go all out attack next season, not chancing anything on GD hence the attacking signings.
Jake F
16 Aug 2012 01:12:10
a lot of people complaining that rvp is too injury prone! personally i could not be happier going into the new season we've got an attacking force that would strike fear into the heart of any defence. maybe one more signing for the midfield. by the way love the site been on it every day this transfer window
16 Aug 2012 01:09:24
Just a quick question, Would you be happy selling Nani and Hernandez and singing Witsel and Isco?
I would take that in all honesty.
George
Young and Hernandez for Witsel and Isco.
Red Joe
I would take it for Nani and Hernandez due to Kagawa being played on the left and Valencia on the right then Rooney behind RVP with Young and Isco as cover for the wingers and Welbeck, Henriquez and Keane when fit as cover up top
Welbeck an young in a heart beat
CAIN
1st time posting here but been on this site for 2 years or so now great site!
I got a problem with these folks on about Nani being sold, it just shows how little football minds they have. For me Nani is better than Toni, yes Toni always gets a cross in but you but a decent LB with pas he wil have problems getting past them and always passes the ball back we all know Nani has bags of tricks though not too consistent and a bit selfish but isnt Wazza selfish too all those wild shots and these days he seems to want to curl everything from outside the box instead of sending rockets like he used to.
Now back to Nani, we are moving to a free flowing interchanging style of play with unpredictable forward line so to me Nani is better suited to that than Toni who we can push further back into a midfield 3 like he sometimes does for Ecuador or RB. Nani was over decent back in 08-09 with the free flowing football though shadowed by CR and i think he stands to gain more with this change of style. Bet my sperms on that since they the only valuable thing i have.
16 Aug 2012 01:08:44
I'm so happy that we've signed Henriquez! Yes, RVP is the one everyone is talking about, but Angelo is a wonderful talent. Quick, skillful, 2 footed and a brilliant finisher. Can't wait to see him light up Old Trafford!
G.A.G.U.S
16 Aug 2012 00:54:46
he scores when he wants, he scores when he wants, he scores when he waaaants ROBIN VAN PERSIE HE SCORES WHEN HE WANTS!
get in.
marlow
Fatman & Robin
16 Aug 2012 00:40:52
If anyone offered me kagawa and van persie at the start of the window for 35m, I would have snapped their hand off tbh :)
RedNdProud
Van p has a bit of magic in him , Mr ferguson knows how to use that , he won,t play 30 games , he will play tactically within the squad . Who cares about formation , if you have intelligent players it all falls into place.
16 Aug 2012 00:37:23
ROBIN VAN PERSIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET IN! 22 million for the top scorer in the premier league love that! why is everyone goin on about his injurys? the guy stayed fit last year with average players around him and scored so many goals! now he plays for Man Utd with Rooney valencia nani kagawa etc to set him up this is a massive statement Arsenal are no more our rival in my opinion! as for that plastic city club the Blue moon has a massive red cloud infront of it! MAN UTD FOR THE TITLE!!!!!!!!
He is due an injury any time soon... and will be fine with utd's average players.
What a d--k a bitter gooner! you just worry bout balancing your books ie finishing 4th lol
Song next outta the door!
CardiffRED XX
16 Aug 2012 00:28:00
Seriously I can see why fergie hasn't signed a central midfielder.. Carrick is our main stay then Cleverley has to partner him if he stays fit he is on fire ! Scholes, Giggs and Anderson as cover is great then Kagawa, Valencia, Rooney and RVP up top is insane with Nani and Hernandez being sold and the money spent on a left back and maybe a winger like Isco who can play behind the striker aswell would be great.
So RVP, Rooney and Kagawa can ALL play the role behind the striker, you moan about us not signing a central midfielder then say we should sign one who can play behind the striker?
Invisible STuey
16 Aug 2012 00:20:37
just my opinion on a 4-2-3-1:
Van Persie
Kagawa/Young Rooney Valencia/Nani
Cleverley/Scholes Carrick
Evra Vidic Rio Rafael
De Gea/ Lindegaard
Wellbeck and Chicharito to give cover up front
Kagawa to play LW or in the #10 spot
Nani to get plenty of minutes, sometimes even with Valencia at right back so they can play the right flank together.
Anderson gives cover at CM (I would love Witsel instead!).
LB depth still a problem.
Evans and Jones to give depth at CB.
And hopefully Smalling to recover soon, with Rafael's shakiness of late.
If Valencia hugs the right touchline, who plays the LW, #10, and #9 roles won't even matter at times, as they will interchange a lot to unbalance opposing defenses.
Zidaniel
16 Aug 2012 00:12:51
Hopefully, Surely there is no room for Berba now! TomP
There was no room for him anyway. He's on his way.
GDS
Except nobody wants him!
16 Aug 2012 00:09:45
It makes me laugh we sign one of the best strikers in the world yet people still nit pick.. yes his injuries will be a worry but his age shouldnt as he doesnt rely on pace which is what age reduces
16 Aug 2012 00:01:29
RVP when signed will be an immense buy he takes free kicks great corners great and penalties great....... All I can say is get the contract signed!!
15 Aug 2012 23:38:57
I would love to see this team
__________DDG
Rafa__Smalls___Vidic__Evra
_____Carrick___Cleverley__
Valencia____Rooney___Kags
___________RVP________
It is a squad game but Nani and some others will expect first team football !
I think we may see Nani and Hernandez leaving and maybe Witsel and another bought in.
George
15 Aug 2012 23:31:42
I'm hearing the announcement tomorrow is a Sir Alex statue outside the old North Stand
Think this has been in the works since if was announced as the sir Alex ferguson stand. Wouldn't be surprised now the Olympic stuff has gone that it will be unveiled.
GDS
15 Aug 2012 23:27:41
My thoughts...
If we were to play a 4-2-3-1 and the 3-1 part included Tony Rooney Kagawa and ofcourse RVP, we would have a sensational attacking line up. It would be the perfect blend of power and flair. Also, all 4 of the players have been deployed as wingers in moments of their career (some more than others obviously), so all of them would be peferctly able to go out wide and fire in a cross. I think that Valencia having both Rooney and RVP in the box could notch up 20+ assissts.
Finally Eds do you know anything of this "significant" announcement that is being talked about on...tw*tter?
All comments welcome..
NWDA {Ed004's Note - I haven't heard anything regarding it}
15 Aug 2012 23:26:40
Great news that were signing RVP. Wouldn't have believed SAF was willing to pay that much for him but he obviously regards him very highly.
Formation for me;
___________DDG
Valencia___Smalling___Vidic___Evra
_______Carrick___Cleverley
Nani_______Rooney_____Kagawa
___________RVP
I think this would be a superb and solid starting XI.
Rooney enjoys being at the heart of things and he would undoubtedly interchange with Kagawa and Nani which has amazing potential.
Bring on the Evertonian's on Monday night lads!
Rosco. {Ed004's Note - Only way it could get better would be to put Witsel and Baines in there}
15 Aug 2012 23:22:26
I said yesterday that we may see surprise transfers out if RVP was to join as we will be playing with one up top we could struggle to keep all of our forwards happy and suddenly Hernandez has reportedly requested a transfer well i am not going to complain if someone comes in for him at £15-20million we could then see it spent to improve other areas while still having Rooney, RVP, Welbeck, Petrucci, Henriquez, Keane all being able to cover up top.
RVP you beast !!
George
15 Aug 2012 23:21:29
News tomorrow apparently isn't player related. New number 2? SAFs last season? Glazers selling? I very much doubt it is any of these but just speculating!
Rudderpost
15 Aug 2012 23:19:40
Well I guess that makes it 1-0 to me Syd.
The much hated: PJ
15 Aug 2012 23:10:07
Cleverley if healthy is going to have a great year!
15 Aug 2012 23:07:18
Well I am glad we have got RVP and as long as he stays fit then I feel we have spent wisely. It maybe the end of our summer, it may not but we have landed a major talent.
there is no pleasing some fans though but like i said if he stays fit we have arguably the best strikeforce in the league
1redarmy
15 Aug 2012 23:04:01
Just saw (seen?), the price RM are paying for Modric.
I know other teams have to act in their own self-interest, and I know Modric wanted to go to Spain if possible, but Levy quoting us £40milllion for him, now looks like pure spite IMO.
Everton also pricing us out of Baines, when Alba went to Barca for £12m, has led me to think we should start acting in a more selfish fashion towards other clubs.
We've given Everton half their team for peanuts, with no quibbling on our part. From now on, I'd play hardball with all these clubs who think they can hold us to ransom, when they come to us looking squad and bit-part players, and youngsters on loan.
Hopefully they'll get the message, and start quoting realistic figures in future when we're looking at one of their players. I'm not asking them to give us their players cheap - just an honest, market rate.
Probably makes me sound like a typical arrogant Utd fan to other club's supporters, but I'm sick of other English clubs trying to take the proverbial out of us when it comes to transfer dealings.
Do they not know we're broke! :)
StevieK
15 Aug 2012 22:52:05
HERBIE, Thanks for telling fergie to pull his finger out.
It worked.
Fed up Red
No worries mate :-)
HERBIE
15 Aug 2012 22:50:14
Llorente has joined Juventus
RVP......has joined US!!!:)
15 Aug 2012 21:52:26
I have been checking different Arsenal forums on the net and rather not so surprisingly 70%(vague percentage haha) of the fans are rooting for Van Persie's leg to be broken in pieces.
Most of them are like" I will pray he breaks his leg and never ever plays football again".
While i can understand that for a die hard Gooner, its a bitter blow and not something to easily live with! But inspite of all that you just cant wish a player to be injured. Dont know, its just my opinion though.
Its a shame i think but is it justified? It made me sick reading all of those posts.
Deeps...
P.S - Before someone asks, no i would not wish this, even for a Mercenary.
RVP wants trophies, if he wanted purely cash then he would have went to City, PSG or Anzhi who would have blew us out of the water.
Sydney!
Wishing a bad injury on a player is just wrong
15 Aug 2012 22:45:03
Manchester United are once again the team to beat. Great work by SAF.
15 Aug 2012 22:43:14
In a weird way I can't wait to watch RVP at UTD. Your team looks frightening but I just hope it turns out to be a Torres / drogba situation .
Would rather you win title than city, and probably think you'll storm the league .
Good luck guys, sadly don't think you'll need it
BIFTW ( Chelsea fan )
15 Aug 2012 22:42:21
RVP fails Medical! Due to back problems, said it was caused from carrying AFC last season!
Seriously how many times is this gonna be posted?
G.A.G.U.S
15 Aug 2012 22:41:05
Where have all the no name doom merchants gone tonight?
Mr Q {Ed007's Note - I'd guess they are away back to their own sites.}