Manchester United Banter Archive July 16 2014

16 Jul 2014 22:52:23
Not United related I'm afraid but I saw Yaya Toure tonight with an agent/estate agent being shown around the outside of a huge house in Hampstead, North London. An area where a lot of Arsenal & Spurs players live. Would he go there really? I was gobsmacked but it was definately him. Just thought I'd pass that on.

United related. Allegri to Juve is now old news but Sky Italia speculating who will now leave Juve, as Juve fans don't want him & regard "Milan" Allegri as Mediocre & are calling him The Moyes of Juve. This is the man that when at Milan, tried to tell Pirlo 3 years ago he was finished in the centre & put him on the left wing before Pirlo left for Juve. A lot of unrest already apparently.

Could be just a personal investment - although Mikel seems to be off and with Luiz & Lampard leaving I wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea make the move. I remember an interview where Jose said something like "Yaya is Man City".

I can also see them coming in for Rooney as well if he doesn't fancy LVG or vice versus - if they pull off Yaya we all need to worry though.

16 Jul 2014 21:14:04
I remain hopeful about Vidal. His own words show that our interest is genuine. I find it too hard to believe that we are going to give up over the price.

Rather, I think the delay is more on Juve's side. They have had the sudden turmoil of Conte, a well-loved coach, resigning. How much our bid had to do with that we don't know.

From Conte's point of view, he may have felt he had a very good squad and was just a few players away from really competing in Europe. The club not only fails to get them, but then he faces the prospect of losing his best player. It is never easy for a club to lose their best player, think of the impact of the sales of Ronaldo for us, Bale for Tottenham, and we shall see for Liverpool now. As hard as it is for us now to wait, the prospect is even worse for Juventus and their fans.

I am hoping that Juve's announcement today was only to save face and buy some time for Allegri to plan for life without Arturo Vidal, the new center mid at Manchester United!

16 Jul 2014 20:27:09
For all that seem to believe everything that a paper prints, a certain paper is saying that Vidal has turned down a contract offer from us of £100k per week and wants £150k. Now, to put that report into context, Ashley Young is on £120k per week.

Ignore everything any paper prints unless there is a photo of LVG stood beside a certain player holding the new United shirt. Listen to Ed002 and you won't be far from the 100% truth, listen to the papers and you are as far from the truth as if you had asked the nutter stood in the local pub who talks to himself.

Didn't a newspaper tell you Young was on £120k a week :)

I would be amazed if he is on anything above £75k a week Brendan mate.

Checked a few places Syd, everywhere I could find came up with the same £6.24m per year. Check it out my

A few places? Where? Don't you think they too are getting their info via the media? Don't get me wrong he could well be on £120k a week, but I find it hard to believe.

You really think we'd sign Young from Villa and put him on more than our captain? Vidic was on around £100k at the time.

Syd

How do you think we have the biggest or second biggest wage bill in the league and something like 4th highest in europe mate. We have a lot of players grossly overpaid.

16 Jul 2014 19:03:03
Everyone has an opinion on the Vidal situation with some professing to be in the know. I am completely not in the know so this is purely speculation on my part. I think Nani, Evra, and a barrel load of cash will go to Juve in return for Vidal. The sooner the better

I don't think it is related to Nani or Evra. I think it is about what we are offering and what they want.

I think we will get him and always said we would make a bid on him. It is also a question of if we pay over what we see the right price is there other options that present better value.

AJH
The situation with Vidal is simple, he wants the move. His agent really wants the move. It's a case of paying the fee juve want. I expect this deal to happen. Juve was clever in there press conference. By stating he wasn't for sale and stating they have had other enquiries, . They was never going to say he was for sale. This deal will happen, my source has not been wrong once this summer

Far to many people are flapping like old women at the sight of every article that says deal off, i'm not in the know either but I have a very good gut instinct and its telling me the vidal deal has been quietly done, he's touring his homeland at the moment though and most likely dosent want his privacy invaded even more than it already is so has told man utd and juventus to keep quiet until he returns to italy.

So do we love him or hate him!?

AJH, Evra, Nani plus cash would be great IMO. One of the problems we have had for years is offloading unwanted players. Nani has been "on the transfer list" for years now.

I think Juve want straight cash for this one. And we have the money to pay it. Vidal is open to the move. So what could go wrong lol.

16 Jul 2014 17:18:08
Juventus don't want to sell Vidal in the same way athletics didn't want to sell Herrera, we no the value. It's up to us to pay it

16 Jul 2014 16:48:00
hi, i'm a man utd fan, I've supported them since I've been 6 years, I am now 16 and over the last few years have seen players just slip through are finger tips and I am worried that vidal will do the same, we really really need him, he will improve are midfield immensely and is exactly what we need. so far we have signed shaw and herrera, shaw absolutely quality signing but i'm not too sure about herrera could prove me wrong but he's not proven and isn't the big name signing we need to put a statement out there! rumours say we won't have enough to sign vidal, well if we sign herrera for 30m, we should definitely sign vidal for 40, vidal is a proven quality player and if we only sign one more player and its vidal I would be happy, just sign vidal and we will be sorted!

Jake don't worry be happy.

Hey Red deviljakestar

Welcome to the site I will agree with you we have missed on a couple of players in the past but we still have manaved to build a team and win titles where as our competitors in the lsst few years have signed a lot of playwrs.

I believe ww never missed out on price or not willing to buy the player it is only because we value each player according to their valuation and would not overpay .

I think some people might not like that but in the real world you buy things at the right price and shouldn't need to overpay for anything. If we have a genuine interest in a player and player wants to come I am sure the board will try as much as they could within their means.

Just like a wise once said carloto just like a wise man once said

16 Jul 2014 20:32:17
Welcome to the site! Join in on all the fun, debates, rumours and general banter.

16 Jul 2014 21:35:50
welcome aboard young man. BTW what the hell were you doing before you were 6? ;)

16 Jul 2014 15:26:04
Giuseppe Marotta has said at a press conference that Vidal is not for sale, that they had offers from "important clubs" and have decided to keep him since he is happy there. So that is the end of that saga then.

Oh the naivety.

He actually said "we haven't put Vidal up for sale" and the "he is happy here" is based on what Vidal said during the week, that he will be happy at Juve if the MU thing falls through.

What do you expect him to say RF? We have let our manager go, brought in a successor that most fans dislike and that we are selling our best player? Is he going to say that?

. and Sir Alex said he wouldn't sell Real Madrid a virus! Keep calm, the last thing Juventus supporters want to hear is that Vidal is leaving.

What else was he supposed to say?they've just lost their manager he was hardly going to announce vidal was leaving as well, southampton did it with shaw and bilbao with herrera, I would'nt take to much notice.

"Players decide their futures but I checked with Vidal and he is happy to continue playing with us."

This quote is key. Players decide their futures.

He has also said they have no intention to sell him, but these things are often up to the player! A little bit of buck passing there?

Yeah and if you believe that load of rubbish you will believe anything, he's just saying what the fans want to hear. vidal may well show juventus respect but if push comes to shove I think he will force a move, I've never been more confident of a signing than this one. keep the faith :-)

Les Reed is a prime example, he said there hadn't been any enquiries for any of his Southampton players. It was utter nonsense.

No matter what people say people will believe what they want to be true

Jred, or we will believe people without an agenda, like the Juve president.

Did you believe Les Reed when he said there had been no enquiries for his players?

I believe we are at the point where both Vidal and his agent would be happy for Vidal to join MU and we are currently trying to negotiate a price with Juventus. Whether we agree a price or not (I have doubts, see further down) remains to be seen, but I believe Juventus will sell him if their valuation is met.

Jred, do you think any of this is wrong? In your opinion or are you just going to sit on the fence and criticise others?

I would hazard a guess that if Juventus accept an offer agreeing to his sale they would have to pay Vidal a loyalty bonus. However if the club say he is "not for sale" then either he asks for a transfer forsaking any loyalty payment or stays. Probably a financial position and it is up to him whether he now requests a transfer. Whether he will come to us is yet to be seen.

Red Man, to be fair some of the quotes during translation were incorrect. They actually say they haven't put Vidal up for sale, not that he's not for sale. The editor has confirmed it all comes down to finances and I agree that what you are talking about is probably one of the issues. Fingers crossed lads, but I think he may end up being a little too expensive come the end, I hope I'm wrong though. I didn't expect us to get Shaw.

Syd
Im not criticising anyone or calling them naive ;)
But you see it on the site all the time some people may think we will sign x player or sell y player and no matter who says what they stick with it.

If a manager says " he's not for sale " or "we don't want to sign him " people will just post, what else could he say.
If a paper runs a report that we are interest in a player that people rate then it must be true if people don't rate him then it must be false.

Have juve decided to keep vidal? I don't know but every player has a price.
Is vidal happy at juve? Again he could be but that doesn't mean he wouldn't move to an other club.

Fair enough Jred, but surely you can see why managers and chairmen/executives/presidents do tell porkies? We know there are negotiations taking place, we also know that Juve need to sell one or both of their prized assets to fund their signings. So I certainly will be taking what Marotta says with a pinch of salt. I for one hope we can pull it off. Can you imagine a midfield pairing of Herrera & Vidal with Rooney or Mata ahead of them?

16 Jul 2014 20:27:33
Totally sick and tired of this window. The rubbish printed by the press leaves us with no idea what's true. I hope we are getting Vidal and trust Ed002 to keep us informed, but at the same time Woodward needs to either make it happen or move on. His fannying about will leave us still short of much needed players. Only we seem to have these long drawn out possible deals. Others identify their targets and in a short time have deals done. i'm on the verge of insanity reading different things everyday.

Syd
He might be telling lies or he might be telling the truth i'm not going to pretend to know.
They may have a good offer on the table for pogba but want to put some positive news out.
Time will tell

Jred, no one is pretending to know. It's called having an opinion. IMO he is doing what he has to do and that's to keep the Juve fans calm after a massive couple of days and disruption. Just like Southampton's Les Reed was doing for Southampton, yet most of us knew he was talking rubbish and he was. You are right that people generally believe what they want to believe, but you must also understand that not everyone in football like managers etc, tell the truth all of the time. Did SAF mean what he said when he said we will not sell RM a virus? Ronaldo, Heinze & RvN. Did Ayre and Brendan Rodgers tell the truth when they said Suarez will not be sold? Sometimes there are hidden agendas, sometimes it's to protect the fans. But not everything the club says it true. That's all I am saying. But you are right when you say that some people believe what they want. Sort of selective believing. Not everyone though.

16 Jul 2014 13:50:33
I know all the eds tend to dislike this sort of question but which CBs are united actually interested in? The usual names are being thrown around as well as the Dutch players. I expect van gaal wants to evaluate our current stock before making any moves but surely there must be some indication of targets?

MU have an interest in Vermaelen, Hummels & De Vrij. But I imagine Hummels is the number one target.

16 Jul 2014 14:21:49
I have no ''sources'' and it's purely my speculation but I think we will go in for De Vrji as 1 of 2 CB's if that helps?

I suppose depending on Vidal, if we miss out, we might splash cash on Hummels but if we sign Vidal, Vermaelen as a cheap alternative. Can't see us spending close to £30Million on each of Shaw, Herrera, Vidal and Hummels.

Well we might just do it ports maybe just

I have thought all along that Vermaelen is purely a back up for Hummels. De Vrij may be a target in his own right though.

Hummels would be main target for left side with Vermarlen back up/more realistic. De Vrijwould be my choice if we also want a right sided pplayer. he looked very assured in the WC and Van Gaal knows all about him.
For me it would then allow for 1 of Smalling/Evans/Jones to depart with my choice Smalling (yes I know some on here like him, just for me I would sooner the other 2)

Not sure I agree.
If we sign Hummels+De Vrij and have only 2 of Evans/Jones/Smalling, we'd be one big injury to Hummels or De Vrij away from being left with 1 established CB. Also doesn't leave LVG many options if he wanted to play 3 CB at the back on occasion.

Juice, historically we have only ever had 4 main centre backs in the 25 man squad. Remember we are able to select under 21s so could bring Keane in if needed.
Also, I think Carrick will have a part to play if we do switch to a back 3.for me he is possibly more suited to the centre position of a back 3 than any of our current centre backs.
Also, I think this set up will not be used too often and more as an option against certain teams. just my thoughts

16 Jul 2014 12:32:40
I go in for an operation at 8am tomorrow morning, hoping by the time I come back round I will be greeted with the news that Arturo Vidal is a red.

Not too much to ask, is it?!

{Ed004's Note - Good luck and hope you're right}

Good luck Believe.

I hope you come back round Believe.

Jesus Carloto! Way to send a guy off for his operation.

Ed and syd started it with the good luck.

16 Jul 2014 13:54:25
all the best believe

Good luck bro hope you are well and you get your wish. Wallet unlocking can be a tricky op. Is it true Ed007 had his arms shortened and pockets deepened?

{Ed007's Note - It wasn't my arms I had to get shortened although the nurses did say something about a baby's arm and an apple.}

How would you know you hadn't died and gone to heaven Believe?

Only joking mate, all the best with the op and my fingers are crossed that Woody can do the business for us all.

Good luck Believe.

16 Jul 2014 15:36:37
All the best fella

Best of luck man.

16 Jul 2014 16:30:46
Rather than go in for an op, mate, just do what I do. Walk round in front of the mirror with your willy tucked in between your legs.

16 Jul 2014 20:09:54
gd luck buddy

StevieK, that was brilliant mate! I genuinely burst out laughing. Haha.

Cheers for all the well wishes, much appreciated!

16 Jul 2014 23:18:12
Best of luck, fella :)

Good luck. Can't see the Vidal situation being resolved till long after you have recovered though.

16 Jul 2014 11:23:18
I just want to sleep for the next 30 odd days & wake up 30 mins before we spank Swansea! What is life without football?!

Unitedwestand your avatar looks like it should be on a gay porn site :)

{Ed007's Note - How do you know?}

You beat me to it bond! Ha. Whatever floats your boat Carloto.

I work with a gay lad, he was looking over my shoulder when I was reading the post and that's what he said to me, he also said something about you looking rough trade but I don't know what he meant.

{Ed007's Note - Of course that's what happened. That's the worst excuse since the 3 lads supposedly sitting sharing a laptop all to have a pop at Syd!}

Ed I swear it's the truth.

{Ed007's Note - Hhhhmmmmm.}

Mate you're so far in the closet you can smell Narnia. It's cool bro, we are who we are & I'm sure you're a nice guy but I just don't drink from the same tap as you. You're Avatar is interesting by the way. care to share you're non gay self with us? ;)

16 Jul 2014 09:15:42
The Times' journalists are getting information that MU are not even in for Vidal and never have been. We know this is false.

Now either MU have balked at the price and are doing some repair work, trying to save face, or MU are being very secretive.

I really hope we do not balk on this one. Vidal would be a real coup and our midfield would be once and for all repaired.

Wouldn't expect anything else from spineless woody!

16 Jul 2014 13:08:52
Pancho,

What, that he has learnt from mistakes and is keeping everything under wraps this year so nobody knows what is going on?

Pancho, last summer it was Ed Woodward who was releasing info to the media. This season he has kept his mouth shut and MU are being very secretive. I believe that is what's going on.

Syd,

I agree, I think we've learned from last summer and are running a very tight ship when it comes to talking to the media about transfer targets.

I'm confident we'll sign Vidal.

I still think he may end up being a little too expensive. The knee reports may also be an issue. Hope you are right RS.

He is still spineless!

16 Jul 2014 11:13:19
What time is Van Gaals unveiling today peoples

16 Jul 2014 11:35:49
It is not today, I believe his first press conference will be tomorrow.

16 Jul 2014 10:11:31
Well, today is where the new era begins. LVG gets his feet under the desk for the first time. I for one am very excited about what he will bring and how he will make us play. And with the Vidal deal nearly wrapped up according to a lot of people, we are in great shape going forwards. At the very least I hope that the Vidal deal is done in time for our pre-season tour.

16 Jul 2014 06:46:08
Haven't really read into it much but as much as I'd love Vidal to sign for us, is it not possible that conte resigned because of the vacant position of Italian national team manager? Could be way off but he was claimed to have stated he would find it difficult to continue to win with juventus. I've got to say though the prospect of signing Vidal and possibly strootman in January is very exciting.

16 Jul 2014 02:21:07
002, do you know if Conte resigning had anything to do with Vidal departing? Thanks

{Ed002's Note - Of course not.}

002, will manager leaving have any effect on MU's pursuit of Vidal?

And is it true that we have upped our offer for Vidal? Has it been accepted?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Conte knew the financial situation and he knew that it was likely one, and perhaps both, of Pogba and Vidal would leave. There is shoprtly to be another discussion about the transfer of Pogba. I am not aware of Manchester United increasing their offer for Vidal right now - but it would be an excellent time to do so if they want to push ahead.

Ah so we have made an offer.

Thanks 002, I think if Chelsea are going to get Pogba, MU need to get Vidal to soften that blow.

16 Jul 2014 20:26:19
Ed002 can you get Woody on the blower and let him know? He's a slow learner and may not realise this is a good time. Thanks for the update btw.