Manchester United Banter Archive October 16 2013

14 Oct 2013 22:32:25
Do any of the eds think that united will try and buy some world class talents in january or will we wait until summer. I personally think we should be giving some of our youth a chance, players like zaha, januzaj and lingard. Also why are we still playing as a 4-4-2 when we have the players that can play as a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-1-2 this would help us to get more control of the midfield and give us more of attacking threat. If we played as a 4-3-1-2 we would be able to play both Kagawa and Rooney together and still play fellaini and carrick with januzaj or any of the other midfielders too. If there are injuries to Rooney/Kagawa/RVP then welbeck and Hernandez are available. What do people think

I agree, with this formation we would have enough numbers in midfield in order not to be overrun and Kagawa with Rooney and RvP all at their preferred positions would strike fear into any team.I can't understand why Moyes hasn't tried it yet, since we are in a period of transition.

Only Moyes can answer this one. He seems the only one who can't see the problem with 442.
I'm also worried about losing zaha and kagawa. I fully understand that Moyes is involved with the players every day, but no one is going to tell me that zaha, as raw as he is, is not better than young, nani or Valencia.
Even England looked more exciting than us, and that's worrying!

Nomid

England were more exciting because they had 7 or 8 players all busting forward and almost got caught a few times and lucky to not concede for Lew's poor finishing.

I am amused that you think Zaha is better than the wingers we have, if he is why is he not getting picked for united or the national team.

Valencia for your info was very good in Euador's qualifiers ad Nani had a very good game. I guess you believe all the footballing coaches, who see this guy in training everyday are persons and can't tell he is ready.

He is not ready neither is powel so get used to seeing what we have until we buy some established players, which we know what we will get when they play.

Our issue has been fans overhyping players and the reality is they are stepping in to a league that is so tough and being found out as not being ready.

Our wingers poor form is not an individual thing but directly related to our weakness in midfield and until we sort that out, they will all continue to struggle.

I can fully understand why moyes would send zaha out on loan the lad has talent but needs to sharpen up his game and get rid of the rough edges. Imo he needs a constant run of games away from the pressure of the United first team, sometimes you have to take the long term view

Shahram, do you honestly think that nani, young, Valencia are up to the task? Yes, I do I watch Intl football, and in fact I was in Portugal watching them beat the might of Luxembourg. All my Portuguese friends think he's the most overrated player they have.
How many games in living memory have any of these three won the game for us? Bet you were thinking for ten mins as you can't remember one!
If we're going to go by your theory about playing well for their countries in midweek, then I will have to point you in the direction of England u21, where zaha played brilliantly.
Any wing play, will be an improvement on young, nani and Valencia.

Jred

I agree and hope he gets a premiere league loan so gets used to the quality of the competition.

It would do him no good if they throw him in when he is not ready and he has an absolute stinker and with the british media and especially being a United player they will have a field day and Moyes unrelated to the media and of performance will have no choice but to not play him and that would be another story for the media to go nuts with.

Although completely different case, Just look at the Januyaj situation as they are just making stuff up now and quite disruptive.

God created that's my point exactly

Nomid

I did not say nani, valencia or young are up to the task but believe they would be much better if they had decent attacking midfielders around them.

Your views that Zaha is an improvement to what we have is not shared by the coaching staff and I have never seen him against top quality opposition so personally impossible to have a definitive view but trust the judgement of the professionals at the club.

Playing U21 for England does not give any player a Pl pass and especially not into the first 11 at United.

There are quite few players in the england U21 that do not get any game time with their respective pl teams and some are at championship clubs as I had never heard of some of them until I saw the last England U21 game.

Finally, not trying to start an argument but think a lot of people are rightfully frustrated and betting on the wrong horses to save the day, we need much higher calibre player/s than zaha to fix our current issues.

16 Oct 2013 12:40:07
I think if big players are genuinely interested in joining a big club they will honestly consider us. A key factor for a lot of players when joining clubs now seems to be playing time. We can offer that to a few top quality players of the following positions; LB, CM, LW.

I am aware Kagawa hasn't gotten much game time, but in each match it is either him or Rooney that plays the attacking role just behind RVP. Rooney offers more than Kagawa in terms of defensive work and work rate plus he scores more, which is why Kagawa isn't playing in his preferred position behind the front man.

But a quality LB would certainly be ahead of Evra and Buttner. A decent CM would play ahead of Cleverly, Anderson, Giggs, and likewise with LW. So for people saying nobody will sign for us because of Moyes, I think players would look at the bigger picture and be happy to join us.

16 Oct 2013 13:55:37
hi, I agree with most u said, but I would have loved to see kawaga play behind rvp, because i'm sure if moyes play's with tactics suit kawaga he will deliver more assist's and goal then rooney if moyes give's him a chance and do u think other player's will want to join us if we play longballs in every game. they will look at what happend to kawaga and will not join us unless they are good in the air our play longballs, and moyes does not like player's like kawaga so do u think if messi could have joined us would he have liked to play like everton did, no. moyes will get some player's but forget about top and good technical player's as long as they pass the ball on the ground and not in the air, no chance for moyes to get them. if u don't believe me than watch what kind of player's moyes will get or go for ( those player's will not be as good as gundgan or reus they will be more like young or cleverly type of player's, but don't worry if utd struggles and is not in top 3 or even top 6 then it will be change's, we are worlds biggest club so I don't think glazer will let them sink) we will find out about it soon enough ;) thenew52 zee

16 Oct 2013 10:34:10
Ed if we just manage to add Baines, Hererra, Mangala and Koke we will be home and dry

Umberellas for sale @ £1 each . even Moyes would buy one

Coentrao, koke and one other quality midfielder would do. however it is evident the club feels rio needs replacing and what we have is not ready/good enough yet.

16 Oct 2013 13:48:51
Shahram, I get the feeling that Moyes isn't happy with Evans. He has hardly played a game and both Smalling and Jones have been played ahead of him this season.

I think we could see both Rio and Evans leave next summer. If that is the case then we will need a centre back as we will only have a 32/33yo Vidic along with Smalling, Jones and Micheal Keane who are all inexperianced.

I think we will see a CB, LB, CM and a left sided attacking player. If were lucky we'll see two CM's. If not then Powell will have to step up and make an impact on the team a year sooner than planned.

Personally i'd like to see a Midfielder and left back come in during January.

Then another midfielder a centre back and a left sided attacker in the summer.

Shappy spot on with transfer list 2 in January would be great, I would rather have 2 midfielders as evra is still decent to play as long as we don't have him busting forward, which is where most of the problems come from.

Someone pointed out that Smalling is not ready and I tend to agree. I think his positioning and reading of the game is not polished enough and whilst he will have a great game he is also likely to make major defensive blunders by his positioning and decision making.

Jones is a better CB in my view and hope we see him get a run of games there as any partnership will need games to gel.

Hummels looks like on his way to barca and garay is excellent on the ball but not great pace, Zouma is very poor when it comes to passing and distribution and not good enough for us, that leaves Mangala and the guy who plays for Inter and the guy who plays for Roma (can't remember names) as the best 3 choices in my view but both will cost a lot and more likely a summer plan as we have other urgent requirements.

Anyway it won't be long before we are linked with 2 dozen players and I honestly would not have a clue who we will be after given our summer activity.

Sneijder :)