Manchester United Banter Archive February 17 2018

 

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17 Feb 2018 20:22:03
Nice draw for us.

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18 Feb 2018 09:20:00
We could have a big 4 semi final day.

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18 Feb 2018 11:34:45
Does anyone else think the draws are all fixed? Every single time big teams kept apart. Must be those hot balls!

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18 Feb 2018 15:45:58
Big red,

If every single time teams were kept apart then you might have a point, but that’s not the case is it? Who did we play in last years quarter final again?

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18 Feb 2018 17:02:07
I understand GDS2 but most years when the big teams are left they are kept apart until the semis or at least the quarters. You never see big teams drawn against each other in round 3 or 4.

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17 Feb 2018 19:40:39
Did everyone enjoy the VAR today and all the post-VAR analysis? There may have been a football match on as well, but I'm sure we all tuned in for VAR.

I also loved the loaded question to Juan Mata - "what are your thoughts on VAR, it needs working on obviously? "

Just when I thought commentary and analysis couldn't get worse, along comes this little gift!

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18 Feb 2018 00:38:34
Not nice when I had lukuka first scorer and 3-0 @ 22/ 1 👎.

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18 Feb 2018 15:46:31
Stretford,

So did I mate, absolute killer.

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17 Feb 2018 19:33:44
Brutally efficient today. I can't believe i am saying this but Smalling was absoltely wonderful at the back today.

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17 Feb 2018 19:46:57
He has a chance of battling aerial balls.

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17 Feb 2018 19:59:23
Smalling did well but he is the first player I'd get rid of in the summer.

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{Ed004's Note - I agree we need a cb but I'd rather sell Jones, Rojo or Lindelof before Smalling. He is not good enough to be a regular for us but he offers something none of the rest of them do. He is fantastic in the air}

17 Feb 2018 20:12:16
We need changing back there ed. i'd get rid of rojo and smalling. I'd give lindelof a bit more time and I'd keep Jones for back up.

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17 Feb 2018 20:18:11
I'd ship out Rojo and lindelof ahead of him, but all three would go if I were the boss. He is so reckless manhandling people in the box and that was a stupid handball today as well.

The other stuff like reading of the game, use of the ball and general awareness are massive failings. He should be a squad player at the absolute most (far down that list as well) .

Let's remember who he was up against today as well before getting too exciting. I think Big Mick down the pub could have looked decent against the attacking threat of Huddersfield - especially with 3 holding midfielders mucking in.

I'd be disappointed being so defensive and handing over possession against Barcelona, let alone the mighty Huddersfield.

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17 Feb 2018 22:32:37
Ed004, he’s a calamity. I’d keep Rojo and jones over him every day of the week. You’d swear the ball was a grenade with the pin pulled out when it comes to his feet. Piss poor for me.

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{Ed004's Note - I do worry about his technical ability and we will never be competing with the best with him in the side regularly but he is frequently a standout performer when we play lower sides who he can dominate from the start and play on front foot. At the very least he provides cover for Bailly and even a rotation option (Bailly being very injury prone is a concern). I'd be happy going into next season with Bailly, New Cb (Umtitti, Varane, Koulibaly etc), Smalling, Lindelof and Tuanzebe}

18 Feb 2018 00:24:50
Smalling is the worst player I've ever seen, and I watch Everton regularly.

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18 Feb 2018 09:42:04
Glad some are seeing the light. A year or do ago I got shouted down for saying that at crucial times he is a ball watcher. Many press photos show this. Also he is a calamity as some one above has said. He is always more interested in knobbling the man rather than winning the ball, but why win the ball if you are not at ease when it is at your feet? Ship him out - should be number one in the exit queue.

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18 Feb 2018 15:07:19
He’s been stealing a living at United since the day he arrived. When you say Smalling, Rojo, Lindelof, young, Darmian, Zlatan, Blind, we don’t half have some very poor players still in this squad. Not one of them would get beat a top 6/ 8 side.

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17 Feb 2018 19:28:07
Hard watch . thought lukaku was very good looked the part of late 2 great goals he started both .
Defended well, shout out to smalling had a good game .
Mctom done well very busy loads of work .

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18 Feb 2018 03:14:30
Lukaku was excellent, yes he got service, but he also made the passes with his lead up play and movement. Excellent finishes.

Mctom looks totally unphased by the step up. Our squad needs young players like him who can step into the biggest occasions unphased.

There was a lot lacking today, not least composure on the ball from mike smalling, but Rom and Mctom were certainly two highlights for me.

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18 Feb 2018 08:21:56
I loved the 2nd goal people talk about how they want us to play well for me that is the epitome swift devastating counter attack 5 secs from defending to celebrating I loved it.

Lukaku is really beginning to look the part even through our bad patch he has come out of it with some credit.

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17 Feb 2018 17:45:33
Keep your eye on Billing for Huddersfield. Very promising and a good Carrick type passer. 😆😆.

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17 Feb 2018 14:32:34
Pogba isn't very well today, probably sore from having his ass kicked by Jose.

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17 Feb 2018 12:56:21
Hi Eds. Just wondering if any of the news regarding Paul Pogba being unsettled or having a rift with the manager are true. I know when big players perform badly it's easy for the press to get on their backs and fabricate stories but with Joses track record falling out with big players isn't a surprising story. Thanks as always.

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{Ed002's Note - I would doubt there are the issues you think. Typically players will be disappointed if they are not performing to their best. You probably need to forget about any “falling out” Mr Mourinho may or may not have had in the past. Pogba is a very good player that ManchesterUnited paid well over the odds for with crippling “other” costs. Expectations were always going to be high. It is pressure and he needs to be able to deal with it.}

17 Feb 2018 14:07:04
Love the response Ed002. This should actually allow some posters to reflect on the negative external stirring from the media just to get a few more clicks.
Thank you Ed 🙏.

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17 Feb 2018 15:46:39
Great response ed thank you very much for the insight!

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17 Feb 2018 19:26:48
666 read it again mate. paying over the odds. Crippling other costs, and can the boy deal with the pressure.

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18 Feb 2018 00:16:07
Cheers for the response Ed couldn't a agree more.

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19 Feb 2018 13:03:02
ED002 if you have time what is the other costs? When people speak about Pogba they speak about an 89 million transfer. Maybe its much more than that?

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{Ed002's Note - It was a light year more than that.}

19 Feb 2018 14:07:06
In summer 2016 they said we must pay this and we must pay that in order to take Pogba. Now they say its 89 million but back then the cost seemed to be closer to 150 milions. Thanks for the responce once again ED002.

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{Ed002's Note - You are confusing transfer fees, total costs and probably currencies.}

17 Feb 2018 07:58:04
In the summer, we need to buy two combative midfielders. I watch our midfield consisting of matic (snail pace) and pogba (not a midfielder in a million years) and there's no one to drive the team on. No pace at all. Hence the whole build up is very slow. and lethargic. Also, retrieving the ball I non existent as the players are not aggressive enough.
Over to you Mr Grumpy.

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17 Feb 2018 09:28:10
Its well known a CM will be added in the summer, Mr Mourinho keeps reiterating that.

Hoping for two, an alternative to Matic and another one. Carrick and Fellaini will be gone, we need two at least.

We have been linked to Sergej M., Seri, Jorginho and Weigl recently, two of them will do.

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17 Feb 2018 11:53:24
The lack of aggressive pressing isn't just a personnel issue, it's a tactical one. Mourinho isn't someone who employs tactics similar to that of Klopp, Pep or Pochettino. I very much doubt he ever will be someone who sets his teams up in a similar way to thead managers.

Mourinho is a pragmatist to a fault at times. I think we have a few players such as Sanchez, Rashford, Herrera and others who would be perfect for a side who pressure the opposition immediately after losing the ball. However, others in the side aren't well suited to this. We could go and sign players from Spurs, Liverpool, Napoli and City who all relentlessly pressure opposition but under Mourinho they would not play in the same way. He prefers his teams to start putting pressure on the ball once they enter our half.

Undoubtedly in a few years the style of football that the other managers I mentioned try to implement will have been figured out and there will be a new style which everyone wants to copy, similar to how everyone wanted possession football a few years ago.

Ultimately I think Mourinho has failed to adapt his tactics enough over the past few years and people have worked out how to beat his low block and counter attack style. The one time I can recall him making a huge tactical change with us was against Chelsea last season. We played well that day but there hasn't been enough of these tweaks.

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17 Feb 2018 12:12:37
Rj
Interesting post that.

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17 Feb 2018 12:37:17
Rjmanutd, you hit the nail on the head there mate.
One of the most sensible posts I've seen recently.

Mourinho has his style, and it doesn't matter who we sign they drastically change that style.

We have seen something similar in the past, we have signed a couple of players from Dortmund who have struggled to adapt to our playing style, but at no point did our team try and adapt to their playing style. We have seen several Dortmund players in particular struggle when asked to play a different style.

Maybe we have to accept the team are playing as they are because that is how Mourinho wants them to play, and no shiny new players will change that.

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17 Feb 2018 12:49:46
Shappy
Exactly my man . I'm sure the team isn't playing as well as Jose would like but I'm not sure we are even trying to play the way many want us to .
And then get upset because x player isn't doing the same as a player in a different team . Playing a different position with a different role.

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17 Feb 2018 13:09:01
Defending and pressing starts from the front. A combative/ pressing midfielder is useless if the rest of the team aren't doing a job.

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17 Feb 2018 15:13:22
Cheers guys. I agree that it is probably true that regardless of who we sign we won't see a different style of football. I've been hoping we sign a passing midfielder like Jorginho and another CM like Milinkovic Savic. However, if Jorginho is left in a midfield 2 with Pogba or Matic etc then he will look like a poor player even though he isn't.

Tactically I'd like to see Jose be a bit more flexible but I can't see him changing too much now in his coaching career. I personally think he will move on to national management after leaving us, whether this be in a year or 2 or 5 or 6 years time.

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17 Feb 2018 23:26:22
I think mourinho realizes the slow build up cannot continue and will change to a more attacking system next year.

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Review Of The Day 17th February 2018

17 Feb 2018 05:26:55
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 17th February 2018

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17 Feb 2018 07:33:07
I see Jose had his grumpy head on again yesterday.

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17 Feb 2018 07:54:49
Tony, doesn't he drive you crazy when he's like that (which is most of the time these days) . Someone has got to tell these people how privileged they are. There are millions in the world with no homes no food, no life, no future. There are billions with serious illnesses and tragedies in their lives. And they are the ones who should be forgiven for feeling grumpy, but mist just get on with their lives happily.
So cheer up you stupid Mourinho and get your team to play with happiness rather than the grumpiness you pass to them.
Rant over.

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17 Feb 2018 12:23:23
I thought the press conference was spot on, why should we let the media get away with printing such tripe and making money from it with people who believe it?

It’s obvious people do believe the nonsense because just look at the posts on here.

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17 Feb 2018 12:36:39
Spot on gds.

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17 Feb 2018 12:58:36
GDS, I'm sure in the past you have said we shouldn't believe what the manager says at his press conference, but now we need to believe this? Maybe it suits people to want us to believe what suits their thoughts.
I'd love to know why we should believe José this time and ignore other things he has said at previous press conferences.

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{Ed001's Note - do none of you read the quotes? He said no winger was coming in 2 months ago and he doesn't lie but you bought Sanchez last month who is a winger. Just ignore everything he says because it is nonsense.}

17 Feb 2018 13:16:36
I thought he was talking about the comments he made after we signed Sanchez.

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