Manchester United Banter Archive July 17 2012

17 Jul 2012 22:28:54
Ha city's preseason going well; a loss to some
Middle Eastern side I haven't heard of and a goalless draw against a second division German team. And to top it all off their best defender has also been injured. Bring on number 20!

Surely we don't need City's best to get injured to give us a chance at winning the league? I'd also rather concentrate on our own performances in the build up to the new season rather than theirs if I'm honest.

Flimbo

17 Jul 2012 22:08:55
I get MUTV for free. Anyone else get it for free?

G.A.G.U.S

I do.

I told my Mrs she is paying for it haha.

Jono

Grrrrr

No.

M.D.

Why do yo get it for free gagus is it for services rendered !!
Onecut

Life is great isn't it Jono?

G.A.G.U.S

I have no idea why I get it for free. All they said was I don't have to pay for it.

G.A.G.U.S

Too right.

She is also lumbered with ESPN and full Sly package deal. Thats pretty cheap for getting to live with me ;-)

Jono

I have ESPN for free. Do you not get things for free?

G.A.G.U.S

17 Jul 2012 21:37:12
Ibrahimivic has gone PSG.

There going tO be a force in the CL next season already bought a few players.

MUFC1990

Ibrahimovic is far too inconsistent for me, they can have him

Brendan

Yes because they have loads of players that have won the Champions League. Oh no hang on...

GDS

No GDS just because they have a good side.

One atm that's stronger than ours.

MUFC1990

GDS
like chelsea who had load of players who had won the Champions league this year. On no hang on....
jred

17 Jul 2012 20:58:04
Can't help but wonder if past failure is a major catalyst for this apparent Lucas Moura bidding (if what we read be true)?

Watching the lad, there's certainly a resemblance to a certain Ronaldinho during his early Gremio years. Massive burst of acceleration from a standing start, two good feet, very strong but agile physique and not afraid of beating a player ot two.

Well documentated SAF's extreme anger at losing out on Ronaldinho (bloody Kenyon trying to be clever!), so could SAF's judgment be slightly clouded?

WF Red Devil

I highly doubt that arguably the best manager in the world would be hung up over losing one player. I mean, come on...we did ok without him didn't we?

Andy

Moura has that burst of pace that Maradona had.

G.A.G.U.S

GAGUS
A few days ago I did a small review of Lucas based on his YouTube and one point was his low centre of gravity strength and pick up speed over 5 yards like Maradona

Red Man

17 Jul 2012 20:06:11
Sly are offering MUTV at £3 per month for 6 months at the moment
No I'm not an agent for sly but it's a cheap way of watching the tour...
really looking forward to seeing the younger players get a chance tomorrow
Pedro

How do you go about getting this offer? Looking on the Sly website it only was about the £6 per month option?

rpc

17 Jul 2012 19:49:26
Book balancing .....Baines money now goes towards Moura purchase and Berba also shipped out ....potentially.

Can only now see the one player coming in and am not sure at all about him both from a skill and cost perspective. Strange buy....if it happens.

17 Jul 2012 19:16:25
I dont understand why alot of people are saying that lucas moura is a right winger or left winger! he is NOT! he can play there but is an attacking midfielder, i personally think that we will sign him and i also hope for it as we could play a 4 1 4 1 formation with carick holding infront of him young kagawa moura nani or antonio and rooney in his best position up top, when we play with rooney as a main sticker thats when he has his scoring run of games and would be at his most effective.

More likely we'd play 4231 with Carrick partnering Scholes/Ceverly, then 3 from Moura/Kagawa/Nani/Valecia with Rooney ahead of them. With your formation we would be too wide open IMO

Gav

17 Jul 2012 19:02:04
Does anybody else cringe when Rooney says ''They say, he is a legend'' on the MUTV advert?

Ste-Utd

Worst. acting. ever!

GDS

Just about the worst advert I've ever seen.

G.A.G.U.S

17 Jul 2012 18:16:56
Unless every sports website are wrong Lucas moura is one of the two players saf wants to bring in. At first I thought it was rubbish but the story hasn't gone away there is obviously serious interest. Hope we aren't put of the by the Brazilian ripping the ass out of transfer price.

Mufc Ryan L

The mirror ran a story that everyone picked up on
then a paper in brazil ran a story that everyone picked up on

I think as with alot of these stories someone prints it then everyone else follows. Think of the number of players who we've been linked with in the press, you don't think we were in for all of them. Also there hasn't really been that much in the english press considering apparently one of the biggest clubs in the country are about to smash their transfer record on some kid from Brazil.

Shappy

17 Jul 2012 17:52:11
m'vila would be the easiest player to sign because he has said he wants to move to the prem league this summer

I would love us to sign him and we could get him for under 20m.... can not understand why he has not been snapped up

oxred

17 Jul 2012 17:36:36
Further to the sell Rooney and Nani discussion earlier...

What's happens 12-18 months from now when we need to start thinking about Rooney's next contract?

He'll be 27/28 and probably wanting even more money.

Do you think we'll cash in?

Lets put it this way, if Madrid came in with an offer for Rooney and Madrid would include Ronaldo in the deal, then i'd take it. But thats the only way I'd entertain the idea.

RedDevil19

A possibility but who do you replace him with? Realistically.

17 Jul 2012 16:38:13
Eds. There was a really great post by Jono (in response to Moon I think) earlier but it seems that the entire thread has vanished.

There was obviously something wrong with one of the replies, but why delete the whole thread? Especially when both Moon and Jono clearly spent a lot of time writing out their replies.

Danny Pughnited {Ed007's Note - Sorry Danny (and Jono & Moon) part of the thread should never have been posted up. I had to remove the offending post ASAP and that is the quickest way.}

That's okay 007, I knew there was an offensive post there. Just a shame that good posts were ruined because of one pillock. And by pillock I mean you LUHG, you pillock.

Danny Pughnited {Ed007's Note - I agree with you Danny.}

Thanks Bond.

G.A.G.U.S

Is there no way to reinstate the thread without the offensive word or the post removed completely?

It did take an age to write mine haha.

Jono {Ed007's Note - Sorry mate, you are making me feel bad now.}

The stupid thing is i know and i think everyone else knows what the offensive post was. Yet how many of us can remember all the non offensive posts on that thread? Funny how the human mind works sometimes.

Shappy

Shapps I cannot even remember what I wrote haha.

I just remember it had a few valid points and it took ages to come up with ;-)

Jono

Well if you had a few valid points Jono mate then i can appreciate it must have taken you ages;) lol.

Shappy

17 Jul 2012 16:29:45
As its scholes last season I would love to see Ashley young give scholes the number 18 shirt for his last year. Scholes 22 doesn't seem right to me he will always be number 18 he and young should swap just for his final season.

Caolán.

I would suggest that scholes wouldn't even let that happen as he would feel he was doing a disservice to young. Scholes has never had an ego.

GDS

17 Jul 2012 16:13:43
Jred, Ev will not even know he is being dropped until he is dropped mate. If Ev isn't gone this summer he will certainly be gone next summer. The thing is if he is sold this summer we will receive £5m or so for him, if he leaves next summer the club will not receive a penny. You have to realise that what the manager says in public is all premeditated. Did he say that Park will be sold this summer? Ev will probably be the last to know he is out the door, SAF is a clever man and wouldn't decrease his value by saying we no longer want Ev. I think Ev will probably stay for one more season, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us accept a bid for him in a month or two if we had Baines all signed and sealed.

Sydney!

syd
you have to realise that you are not always right and stop making up scenarios which validate your point.
I argued all last season with you that evra was still rated by fergy but you came up with scenario after scenario why he wasnt and keep saying he would be sold.
even after fabio has gone and fergys latest comments you still havent changed your tune.

could it be that fergy rates evra higher than you do and that you may of been wrong on this issue.

just for the record i would replace evra but im not sure fergy is going to
jred

Jred - I'm afraid you're fighting a losing battle. Some people just don't see things as others do regardless of the facts and you just have to let them off and do their own thing!

Flimbo

Evra has Fergie's full backing, he has been a reliable servant for Fergie and like he said he plays 50 games a season. How would selling Evra help us with that position? What if Baines got injured first game, now there is a scenario for you.

1redarmy

So are you saying that everyman and his dog (including you) can see the massive defensive flaws to Evra's game which has been declining for two years now apart from our manager? Show the man some respect Jred. Our manager can see Evra's decline and will do something about it. We will see just how much the manager rates Evra when he brings in Baines to replace him as the number one this summer. Evra's days are numbered, you would be a fool to think otherwise.

Sydney!

Flimbo i think your right , time to move on
jred

Lads I believe Baines will come in and replace Evra this summer as the number one LB. Fabio will replace Evra next summer as the number two LB. If we were to buy Willems and Baines this summer (unlikely now), then I believed Evra would be sold. That's my opinions on the LB situation. If you do not agree then that's your choice, but don't slate me for having a different opinion to yours.

Sydney!

Syd

Nobody has slated you for having your own opinion, everyone is entitled to that regardless of who agrees with it, in fact I would say some of your posts have been among the most informative I've read but I would add Syd, that sometimes you can be just a bit arrogant towards those who don't share the same opinion, especially regarding the Glazers. United fans want to win things, it's what we're used to, and at the moment it seems like the Glazers can't or won't compete with our main rivals and that's a pretty good reason for fans to want a change at the club.

Flimbo

The problem is Syd that you tend to write things like "when he signs" "he will sign" and "i have no dobt he'll sign" which sounds like your stating a fact not an opinion. The problem is when you say things like that if Baines doesn't sign what then? A lot of people think highly of you on this site and what you say carries alot of weight. As such if you convince people that Baines is signing, if he doesn't then people will think that we can't even afford the second best english LB.

Shappy

Flimbo, I am no fan of the Glazers. My only difference in opinions regarding the Glazers is I believe we have funds to improve our squad this summer, some don't.

Sydney!

Its not that people dont believe we have money to spend syd its the amount thats availible that people are cynical about and unconvinced we will spend a decent amount.
johndenton

I know we have money to spend, but how much is limited. How much is it limited? i dunno, but we haven't got a bottomless pit so it is limited. But what i think is really restricting us in the transfer maket isn't how much we have to spend but hope much we are willing to pay in agents fees and wages.

For example we tried to sign Nasri last year but wouldn't pay the extra 4/5m in agents fees. So he went to who would. Why should we pay these leaches such amounts of money.

On top of that we do have a wage strutcher to stick to. And some of the wages that players who still have alot to prove are on is stupid. Take a talented but stropy italian from across the city, he hasn't proven anything in football yet, he is inconsistant and can't concentrate on his football as he should. He is only 21yo and has shown no loyalty to the club, so what do thay do? give him 150k a week basic with bonuses on top. His agent got over 4m for a few talks and arranging some of the deal to take him from Inter to City.

It's stuff like this which is limiting us in the transfer market far more than how much money can we spend.

Shappy

Shappy

Very valid points there but if thats the way transfer dealings are conducted these days then surely we're gonna have to pay the agents fees or else risk losing out on all our targets to main rivals?

Flimbo

Park.and Evra 4m each, Vidic and Hernandez 7m each all.bought in the last 10 years and all very good players for us.and now we.have to.pay these.sort of fees just to agents just.to.get deals done on top of over inflated.prices for players.

Shappy

17 Jul 2012 16:06:14
man utd need to buy moura now but can loan him .

they need either martinez or m'vila and either moutinho, ericksen, cabaye, modric

rvp is a terrible signing because we would pay 30+ million for him and hes near 30 and i guarantee this season he will constantly get injured

Firstly we are not going to spend 30+ million on moura then loan him out are we and secondly we will never pay 30m for vp so i wouldnt worry about it

phil

How could one of the best strikers in the world be a terrible signing? RVP is 28...ok he has had his fair share of injurys but so can anybody - Anderson cost (correct me if im wrong - think i read it the other day) 25m? and he hasnt given us a full season and he's been at united for a while now.

I can see peoples point on being a tad older than Uniteds liking but there's no denying that RVP is a world class striker - I would love to see Rooney and RVP leading the line along with Chico,Welbeck,Kagawa, Nani, Young and maybe another DM who could set an assault on all 4 fronts - nowadays you need a big squad.

Out - Berbatov, Kiko and Anderson

In - RVP, Modric

Above would be my prefered options but think Modric is gone to RM.

Lucas i have no idea has i havent seen him play - looking forward to seeing him at the Olympics
Erkison (sp) only seen him a handful of times, the problem i have with Lucas and Eriksson is that they play in smaller leagues and no one can predict how they will react to the pace and strenght of the EPL thats why i'd prefer proven at the highest level type players- kinda tired Utd buying youngsters that MAY come good in 4-5years

We were going to spend 32m approx on Hazard so there is money there that fergie is willing to spend but its a matter of patience to see who he wants to bring in.

Giants12

17 Jul 2012 15:38:22
I actually can see SAF waiting a couple of weeks while the youngsters play on tour, just to see how they do before buying anyone. I still maintain Baines will come in, but apart from him, we could be looking at no central midfielder again. I feel SAF will be more urgently looking for a central midfielder next summer when Giggs, Scholes and probably Fletcher have retired for good as we will be short. Tunnicliffe and Petrucci will be introduced this year just like Cleverly was last year. Cleverly will step up and be first choice alongside Carrick if he stays injury free I think. In terms of central options that would improve us - Eriksen needs another year of development probably, Martinez is to expensive, Moutinho apparently wants Spurs and Modric allegidly wants Madrid. That leaves us with very few options apart from perhaps M'Vila and Tiote. Tiote would be good but his passing is poor. Perhaps Madrid would be willing to let Khedira leave, but again I think that is unlikely so its impossible to see at present where we would get a classy midfielder from. I know the link hasn't been strong, but i keep going back to Acquah from Palermo, he looks good and wouldn't cost a packet, if he could have the impact that Essien had at Chelsea then its well worth a go.

RedDevil19

What about Cabaye mate?

Would be cheaper than Mods or Moutinho with a good first year in the Prem under his belt.

Jono

I'd like either Tiote or Cabaye at the club, but this is Newcastle. Look how much they got for Carrol...They won't sell for pennys and Cabaye seems happy enough so he also seems an outside bet.

RedDevil19

Still not convinced a LB will be signed. Evra one more season with Brady and Blackett being looked at. Keep saying it but Baines just doesnt add up to me. Too old, Too expensive, Too average.

Stuey

17 Jul 2012 14:34:59
I see lots of debate on here between signing Lucas or a CDM, I personally wouldn't mind either way. A CDM would make us harder to break down but if we sign Lucas and no CDM we will just have to go out and score more than our opponents doesn't bother me, we still had the second best defense in the league only beaten by 6. I think SAF is more than prepared to go out and spend £30m plus on a marque signing this summer if he finds the right player just to show the rest of the league that we are still going to challenge for the top players, nobody can compete with SAF mentally.

17 Jul 2012 13:29:16
manchester united fans and colleagues!

Get yourself prepared for a downward spiral of the mighty MUFC!

it was coming last season, now this season we are doomed.........

it kills me to say it, but all good things come to end.

we will simply not be good enough to compete with any of the so called 'big guns' this season?

europe - forget it, last season was a struggle, now this season...erm, no!

Wow sounds like i might as well take a long walk off a short pier. Funny what a couple of weeks without football does to the average fan. Anti-depressants for all i think. lol.

Shappy

Different to last season we will have:

Vidic
Kagawa
Powell
+ any other signings

No Park
No Berbatov

We finished 2nd on goal difference, miles ahead of any other team. How will we not be up there with the big guns?

This sounds like a scouser posting if I am honest, trying his best to make himself feel better.

We are not as good as Barca but last season was a blip in the Champions League, Fergie underestimated Basle at home and we paid the price. We will get to the quarter finals this year as we usually do.

GDS

Are you happy that we only get to the quarter finals ? and wether we only lost on goal difference or not a lot of our football was poor

17 Jul 2012 14:00:56
"I am busy at work so a very brief response

Take a look at the team that achieved all that success all the key players were pre Glazer, certainly the ones that brought all the success. Our team is showing signs of decline because the investment in players needed to keep up has not been made.

We won a league the season before last that was in many ways due to the weakness of others rather than our greatness. SAF has performed miracles especially last season with an obviously less than great side. This summer needs investment or we will slide. The window closes on 1st sept, let us see where we are then

Red Man"

All the key players were pre Glazer yeah? So its the Glazers' fault that Anderson, Hargreaves, Berbatov (70+mil worth of players) didn't work out as they were supposed to and weren't as influential, while Rooney, Ronaldo, Ferdinand (70+mil worth again) did?

Signs of decline? No. We improved on the performance of the season before the last in the league. The failure in the CL was more to do with tactical blunders, silly goals being given away and loss of focus at key moments in defense. Its only so good to say "we won because the others were weak", well "City won because of United's injuries". We won because we were better the season before, City won because they were better. Hardly all of the league titles won are due to greatness.

Smalling, Jones, De Gea, Hernandez, Wellbeck will all be a season plus in experience. Without the bad luck of injuries to Anderson, Cleverley and Vidic, we will be very much toe to toe with City for the title. And that is with one and a half month left in the transfer market, where we may add "one or two" according to SAF. If we can add a central midfielder to the team, i believe we will be very strong next season.

REDFAITH

Redfaith

What level do you believe we were at last season?
Anywhere near 2008 or 2009 ? Or a long way below that?
Our standard of play our open midfield the lack of pace meant we were nowhere near our previous heights. Please let me know which knowledgable observers rate our team as an improvement on 2008 or 9?

A miracle got us near City but there were tactical and selection errors by SAF. Instead of looking at the number of points look at the standard of our football, surely you can see the fall in standard.

We need two quality players, one being a Martinez level CM player. We need one possibly two beyond that but to sit there and believe all is well without that as a minimum would be utter folly.

Red Man

We were very poor at times last season which ever way you look at it,some of the football i watched at ot was as bad as ive seen in many years.
johndenton

Awful in europe and the first time i have seen us outclassed in home and away games like we were against bilbao.

i think our standard of football over the last couple of years has been below what most fans would hope for.
jred

I think we need a player that will give us something to cheer about. Just like Ronaldo did. I think the club are looking at that type of player with Hazard, Rodriguez and Moura all being looked at and bid for. I think it will be instead of Nani who has now become a frustrating player as opposed to an exciting player amongst some fans. We certainly need the LB position strengthened and we do need a midfielder. But kagawa and Vidic added to the team is going to be a breath of fresh air and perhaps some luck on the injury front. Last season we had nearly 300 injuries compared to City's 60 odd. That is something we mustn't forget either. At one time we had 13 first team players out. City was without Kompany for two weeks, we were without Vidic for nearly a full season.

Sydney!

Syd there can be no excuses for the blackburn and wigan games
johndenton

17 Jul 2012 12:40:31
i would really love to see lucas at united, i think that he has that bit of star quality that you could see when ronaldo played for sporting against us! I dont think fergie wanted or needed to buy him this early but intrest from inter has kicked him in to action, as with Newcastle's intrest in rooney and similarly Liverpool's in jones last year!
fingers crossed! IFWT

tarrant77

17 Jul 2012 11:24:00
That's my argument I moan alot because I have reason 2.

We get told constantly that we're goin to compete and we have money.

Where is this money? Fergie has said at least 1 more signing proberly BAINES, but that's not where we need to improve the most is our midfield, where 1 dimensional.

We use to attack in 3 or 4 passes now it's 10-15.

We're boring to watch and it's the players and fergies fault.

I wouldn't moan if we were told the truth about how we can't compete and we havnt got the funds then I could accept what we do.

LUHG

Umm, i'm going to do a rafa and lets look at the FACTS!

We signed De Gea, Jones, Young last season. We have signed Kagawa and Powell this summer and there is still one and a half month to go in the transfer window. That is where the money is! At the end of last season SAF said something along the lines of "we are looking at one or two things", he always keeps saying things like that, people read too much into it and think we are just bringing in the one or two players.

Why are you assuming the one signing we will make is Baines? While FACTS suggest that we have BID for James Rodriguez, Lucas Moura and were very much in for Hazard. I am not at all convinced with the baines stories.

We can't compete? What are you on about? Second last year on goal difference to a team that has a bottomless pit of cash! Won the league the year before that, were in the CL final and with or without signings will still be up there challenging this season, mark my words!

What you are really annoyed about is clubs like United cannot compete with the likes of City and Chelsea "in the transfer market". How do you suggest we compete may i ask you? Outbid them, and they will simply go on and up their offer again, an endless process. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Finally, who have Real Madrid, Barcelona, City, the Milan clubs bought yet? Stop moaning!

REDFAITH

LUHG can you explain to me when we haven't competed in the last 5-6 seasons? We have been up there in the league every year, we have had 3 CL finals 2008, 2009 and 2011.

The fact is even though we don't have the same funds as City, Chelsea etc which is hardly surprising considering they are owned by billionaires and we are owned by people who bleed the club but, we have still been just as or more successful than them over that period. Is this because we have been lucky? No. Is this because other teams have spent massive money on players who turned out to be average eg Shevchenko, Torres, Adebayor, Santa Cruz, Robinho? Partly. But mainly it is down to Fergie being able to get the absolute best out of the teams he sends out to play and signing good players who don't have to cost 50 million to do a good job eg Valencia, Vidic, Evra, Park, Hernandez. If Kagawa and Powell had cost 60 million combined instead of around 20 million would be you happier?

Rjmanutd

Seriously, quit moaning!

Joe

17 Jul 2012 11:17:40
Getting very impatient that we are not signing someone,Kagawa is a good signing so is powell but they aint gonna win us the league or cl.I know it takes time but i remember how gutted people were last year when all summer long we were waiting on a midfielder to arrive,he never did.As the days go past it is looking less likely that we will.I hope i am wrong but if we dont start spending then we are gonna have to start getting use to finishing behind them blue fools.Come on fergie,sign sign sign.

quinner99

Not even a third of the way through the transfer window, but it is looking increasingly like we won't sign anybody else?

Kagawa who won the Bundesliga last season and was top quality is not going to win us the league?

Calm down and let it play out, we have some great quality already at United, Vidic is going to be like a new signing a centre half. IMO we are a top left back and top Centre Mid away from challenging on all 4 fronts this season.

GDS

17 Jul 2012 10:14:45
Interesting interview from SAF the other day saying that Brady will start as a left back against Amazulu as the club feels he can flourish as a left full back...Does this have any impact on the first team or potential dealings? Personally I don't see the need to move Brady to left back, especially if Baiens come in as next year we could take our pick from Baines, Evra, Blackett (possibly) and Brady. Evra will probably leave next year, and Blackett won't be ready, but having Baines and Fabio would be two good options.

RedDevil19

Thats interesting, I haven't seen that interview. I wouldn't imagin Brady would be ideal for LB as its his defensive side that needs the most work. But if true does this mean that like I said previously that a LB won't be signed this summer. It'll be interesting to see how Brady does.

Shappy

There could be one of a few things going on here. A) SAF could genuinely see Brady as a LB in the long term B) The deal for Baines has collapsed and SAF is looking at options for cover at LB or what I think may be more likely C) Everton are holding out for that extra few million and SAF is publicly demonstrating that he is willing to give up on the deal meaning that Everton would miss out on, what would be, a vital £12-15million. Just my opinion though.

TK-Red

The club will always try the youth out in different positions that we are lacking in. Larnell Cole for a spell played right-back for the reserves. Reece Brown was tried in midfield as was Thorpe. Tunnicliffe has played CB when we were looking at CB's to bring in. Fabio has been tried out as a left-winger in reserve games. Personally I think Brady could play LB, but perhaps not at the highest level.

Sydney!

There has never been a deal for Baines... No contact to Everton just interest, We have interest in lots of players but it doesn't mean we want them enough to make a bid. Fergie likes Brady there alot, played a number of games in the reserves there, He sees next season as the season for Fabio if he impresses at QPR with Brady and Blackett as his reserves

fearny

I hope that you are right with option C TK. If we don't sign a left bak then I don't see the club going forwards as we will still be vulnerable down that side and will leak too many goals. I still see Baines coming in, but SAF's comments have cast doubt over this. As for any other signings, well I'm starting to think we may stick with what we have. I don't see us paying that much for Moura and there seems no likely option for the centre of midfield.

RedDevil19

TK, IMO it's 'C' all day long.

Sydney!

I hope so guys, I really do. Whilst Baines isnt an ideal signing IMO he is a good solid LB who will give us more consistency than Evra has done in recent years. The last thing we need is an ageing Rio or Smalling, in what is an important year for him, having to cover for Evra when he cant be bothered to get himself back in position.

TK-Red

Bloody better be 'C' TK haha.

Jono

17 Jul 2012 09:58:11
Pre tour match presser fergie has said that he let Fabio go to QPR to get experience as cant get him enough games at OT as Evra doesn't miss a game. Using other youngsters (Brady etc) for cover....... So why would we have any interest in Baines?? Can't play him and Evra together and neither are 'squad' players. Don't get it.

Could it be paper talk, did moyes not say there had been no contact from united for baines
jred

It would appear that maybe all this we'll sign a LB talk is just tabloid rubbish. Umm interesting. Although not suprising. Expect the usual we were trying to sign Baines but couldn't agree a fee and decided to give youth a chance instead guff.

Shappy

Wake up Shappy, if it isn't clear to you that we are in desperate need for a new LB with SAF's latest quotes, nothing will change your mind.

Sydney!

Maybe or maybe not. It seems that Sir Alex is very keen to look in house first and that Evra will be first choice next season. So i would say that if we were to sign a LB it would be someone to be Evra's understudy. I can't see a player of Baines stature being happy to play second fiddle.

Shappy

Who says Baines would play second fiddle? We'll see my friend.

Sydney!

17 Jul 2012 09:28:21
To all the moaning, negative posters on these sites. What proof is there that Manchester United or Alex Ferguson is trying to sign any of the players mentioned in the thousands of posts on these sites......NONE.

Manchester United will have a list of certain players that Alex Ferguson feels will improve the squad. He has never revealed the list and never will.

All you armchair managers will have certain players that you feel need replaced....Evra, Anderson etc.

What actual proof is there that he is looking at the LB position.....NONE.

So many posters feel that we need to get a box to box midfielder in, or a defensive midfielder. They constantly refer to the days of Roy Keane etc. Manchester United have not used that formation for years now. In that time they have won countless trophies and titles. Just because we don't win everything every year......the moaners and less intelligent fans think changes must happen.

So stop moaning and looking at your own personal wishlists and get back to playing FIFA 12 on your TV's......you can live your dreams there. Sir Alex Ferguson will try to sign the players he feels will aid the team.

Remember just because we are Manchester United, it does not give us a God given right to have all the players in the world. Players prefer the lifestyle and weather of Spain and Italy. Players prefer the bright lights of London. You can pay massive wages to intice players to Manchester....ie City.....but do they stay for the whole contract....do they resign....no their off after a couple of seasons.

You guys don't see what the managers see's at training everyday. He knows the team better than anyone. He will chose the players. God help him if he doesn't get the one's you want.....then it's Fergie should go, Fergies time is up.......negative, negative.....moan, moan.

Well said, good post mate.

1redarmy

I agree with large parts of your posts although I would like to point out, as I have done plenty of times before, that SAF in fact doesn't take the training sessions anymore, he actually spends the day inside in his office and the coaching staff train with the players, thats an absolute fact as they are the words of Gerard Pique who was asked to give an opinion on the different coaching styles of SAF and Pep Guardiola. Unsurprisingly, he preferred Guardiolas style.

Flimbo

I think fergy is happy with his strikers
welbeck , rooney and chica.if berb leaves we may add another

i think his first choice midfield is

valencia carrick clevs kagawa and young/nani.
I would like a top class cm but i think fergy will stick with carrick and give clevs a chance.

at the back the only issue is lb but i still think fergy rates evra so possible an understudy.

I would love to see a couple of big name signings to raise the quality of the first 11 but I dont think we are going to get them , maybe another squad player.
I think a lot of people believe what they read in the papers
jred

OP

Are you fricking insane mate? You're having a go at people for being negative, but every point you've just mentioned is THE REASON everyone is being so negative:

The gist of your post was "Where's the proof that SAF is trying to sign ANYONE"?

That alone my friend, is why we are so negative. We aren't making any effort to compete for or bid for players that would blatantly improve us as a team.

If we start next season with just Kagawa and Powell, I will expect nothing more than 4-5th place in the Prem; group stages of Champs League; latter rounds of both cups.

In other words, another trophyless season.

RED_SKY

Quality post, I posted something similar the other day

Parks.

If you believe utd donot need to strengthen the squad then you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
Last time i checked this is a RUMOUR and BANTER SITE.Everyone and anyone can post so shut up and stop spoiling it for everyone.Your negativity is not a good quality to have.We all live in hope.

quinner99

"I think a lot of people believe what they read in the papers"

Jred, are you implying that the papers are never correct?

Sydney!

Hey RED_SKY......or are you Mr Negative......where's your proof Manchester United or Gill and Ferguson aren't trying to sign players?

We have signed 2 players so far. Alex Ferguson has openly said he is looking to bring in 1 or 2 more. Just because he hasn't releaved the targets or the time scale to bring them in.......you assume he isn't trying......NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE.

Go back to reading all the false back pages of the newspapers and get jealous of all the false stories about other teams.

I'm sure if you could email or phone Alex Ferguson, he would take on all of your years of experience as a top manager. He will change he's targets to yours and hey presto....we'll win the treble again.....

Syd
of course not, but i think they are wrong more than they are right.

Jese Rodriguez (Real Madrid)
Christian Eriksen (Ajax)
Nathaniel Clyne (Crystal Palace)
Radamel Falcao (Atletico Madrid)
Moussa Dembele (Fulham)
Marouane Fellaini (Everton)
Paulo Henrique Ganso (Santos)
Lucas Moura (Sao Paolo)
Robin van Persie (Arsenal)
Yohan Cabaye (Newcastle)
Demba Ba (Newcastle)
Fernando Llorente (Athletic Club)
Axel Witsel (Benfica)
Luke Shaw (Southampton)
Julio Cesar (Inter Milan)
Joao Moutinho (Porto)
Mats Hummels (Bor.Dortmund)
Leighton Baines (Everton)
Luka Modric (Tottenham)

thats a list of the players the papers have linked us to in the past 6 weeks.

if i ignore the rumours in the papers and listen to what fergy says and does i think
that evra will be lb next season with an understudy as he seems to still rate evra.

and i think kagawa clevs and carrick will be our first choice cm 3, so no big name cm. this is because i think kagawa will def play AM, i think fergy rates and trust carrick so he starts and i think fergy wants to give clevs a chance

that said i would love us to buy a lb and a top quality CM but its not about what i want its about what fergy will do.
jred

Jred, SAF would never divulge what his plans are in terms of signings. Did he say we would sign Powell and Kagawa before we did? Has he ever even mentioned either player before by name? No. Did the papers report our interest? Yes they did. Were the papers correct? Damn right they were.

The media is not always reliable, most media sources do talk nonsense and make things up, some will find out we are scouting say Real Betis and then try and guess the player, but if you know which journalists to listen to then you have half a chance in guessing the signings. However papers can only confirm interest, they cannot predict if the deal will go through as that is down to the two clubs and player involved in the deal.

Out of that list above I would say we have had an interest in 99% of them. Of course that doesn't mean we will make a move for them or even agree a deal. I would say 100% of them have been discussed by the manager, perhaps not at board level, but between himself and his number two.

Sydney!

Syd
which is exactly my point ,the media will hear a bit of gossip or that united are interested in a player and then next thing its on the back page that we are trying to sign him.
like ive tried to explain to you before just because we show an interest in a player or enquire about him does not mean we are going to try and sign him.

lol cant believe you are sticking up for the papers.
jred

Syd
I would say 100% of them have been discussed by the manager, perhaps not at board level, but between himself and his number two.
sydney

how can you possible know that , that is a list of every united player that the papers have linked us with this summer.
if your saying that 100% will of been discussed by the manager are you not saying that the papers are 100% right in reporting our interest in players lol.

Cesar, Falcao really
jred

No name poster:

1) I haven't read a newspaper or so much as picked one up for years. I rely on alternative news sources online, not mainstream media, for my news. Football news, sites like this mainly.

2) I've said it before and will say it again - THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS NOT ON ME.

If I say you have no money, how would you prove me wrong? By showing me your money. I have claimed we have no money - it is now out of my hands. If I'd said we HAVE money, then I'd have to prove we had money. I've said there's nothing there, therefore for me, I've done my part. Gill and co need to prove me wrong.

3) I'm a realist mate, you are a deluded rose-tinted spectacles wearing, head-in-sand yes man. No different to David Gill, you claim all is well is the garden when we've just come off a disastrous season.

4) Kagawa and Powell - the former, amazing signing. Good job he cost £15m or whatever, because anything over £25m and we'd have never even bid for him. The latter, I'm indifferent to - I dont feel I'll see him in the first team this season, and that's what we need. For the future, sure, supposedly a great signing (haven't seen much of him).

BUT....
If you honestly think our shortcomings last season can be put to bed by these two signings, plus Vidic playing for most/all of the season, you are completely mental.

I'll see you this time next year, sunshine.
We'll see who knows how the land lies.

RED_SKY

"ive tried to explain to you before just because we show an interest in a player or enquire about him does not mean we are going to try and sign him"

Very true, although I have never said that we try to buy every player that we inquire about, but that wasn't my point all those months ago. You were trying to tell me that the manager may not have wanted to bring in a central midfielder last summer and I challenged that by saying why would we inquire about several midfielders if we were not looking to buy one.

I believe every one of those players including Falcao & Cesar have been discussed at one time by our manager. Them and several more.

Sydney!

Syd
im sure you do pal , it seems you believe everything you read in the paper.
to be honest i hope your right
jred

I don't take much notice of the papers, but I do listen to certain journalists and so far everything they have said Ed002 has confirmed it. Like the Rodriguez bid, Moura bid, Modric interest, Moutinho interest. the only thing that Ed002 has not confirmed is Baines, but it would be hard to confirm as Moyes, SAF, Baines and Kenright would all keep shtum about that. They are all friends and it's unlikely anything will be confirmed until the deal is actually agreed. The thing is with the Baines rumours is it is not all originating from one journalist. Bob Cass, Miguel Delaney, Steve Batemen and many more are all saying the Baines/United move will happen. But to be fair they are all saying that what we want to pay and what Everton want is still worlds apart. So nothing to talk about yet.

Sydney!

And to be fair Bob Cass is close friends with SAF and is the journalist SAF uses to share his information with, albeit sometimes the info will be a bluff and tactical on the manager's part.

Sydney!

Syd
the only thing that Ed002 has not confirmed is Baines, but it would be hard to confirm as Moyes, SAF, Baines and Kenright would all keep shtum about that. They are all friends and it's unlikely anything will be confirmed until the deal is actually agreed

sydney

im not having a go pal but can you understand why i feel that quite often you manipulate the facts to suite your argument.
also this whole banter started with me saying " i think a lot of people believe what they read in papers"
and at the end of it your saying you dont take much notice of the papers ...........so what your point?
jred

17 Jul 2012 09:06:30
"Brady is an outside-left but we believe there's a possibility he will develop into a left-back. It's an area which we're paying attention to as Patrice Evra has played an average of 45 games in the last few seasons. So it's important for Fabio to get experience at QPR because, touch wood, Evra is never injured.

"The opportunities weren't there for Fabio and he needed more opportunities. With him away at QPR, we're a bit short at left-back so that's why we're trying Brady there. We also have Tyler Blackett with us. He's a strong boy, tall and quick and he has time on his side. He is here for the experience." fergy

i'm a bit worried, if we are short at lb we should maybe buy one.
same as cm rather than covert powell why not buy a cm
jred

Fergie must like Brady enough to want him to play, knowing that he wont take Young or Nani off the left. He is only talking 4-5 games a season to give Evra a rest but to me that sounds as if they have given up on Baines.

1redarmy

I talked to my source earlier about this summer's transfer policy and the prospects of us signing a quality left back or midfielder. Now my source is a little bird and when I asked him about how the club were planning to invest during the summer he said cheap cheap, cheap cheap. Not exactly from the horses mouth but I believe it.

Danny Pughnited

The club will always try out their own playing staff before buying, Larnell Cole was tried at RB, Thorpe & Brown at CM and Fabio at LW. it's common practice. Brady could well be a LB, but doubt he would make it at our level playing there. This latest quote by the manager does clearly show that LB is an area that we ARE looking to improve. His quotes also show that he doesn't believe Blackett is even ready for a friendly, hence the reason Brady is playing there. I have no doubt in my mind that a LB will be signed and I genuinely believe it's Baines.

Sydney!

SYD
"Left-back is an area which we're paying attention to. Patrice, in the last five years has played an average of 45-50 games. It's phenomenal. I don't know if anybody else has achieved that. He's still a fit lad and has the same drive and ambition. He's a fighter"
Thats fergy on evra , it just doesnt sound to me that he is thinking of replacing him and if we bought baines i think it would be to replace him.


" we're trying Robbie Brady at left-back. We also have Tyler Blackett here - he's a big, strong boy, tall and quick going forward. But he's only just turned 18. He has time on his side but he's here for the experience and he may yet surprise us."

thats sound as if fergy is looking with in the squad as back up for lb.

i would be happy with baines but i just dont think fergy is going to drop evra (even if i think he should)
jred

Jred, Ev will not even know he is being dropped until he is dropped mate. If Ev isn't gone this summer he will certainly be gone next summer. The thing is if he is sold this summer we will receive £5m or so for him, if he leaves next summer the club will not receive a penny. You have to realise that what the manager says in public is all premeditated. Did he say that Park will be sold this summer? Ev will probably be the last to know he is out the door, SAF is a clever man and wouldn't decrease his value by saying we no longer want Ev. I think Ev will probably stay for one more season, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us accept a bid for him in a month or two if we had Baines all signed and sealed.

Sydney!

17 Jul 2012 08:55:36
David Gill flying out to Holland today to sign in Christian Erikson for 20mil.
-BIGRed

So what time is his flight so I can make sure that there are no delays ??

17 Jul 2012 08:48:45
Does anyone know when most of the first team
Players will join up with the tour.?

17 Jul 2012 03:45:37
Banter please ed.

Here's what I expect to happen this summer:

1. We will bring in Moura OR a like-minded player (as I've just read Mort's c&p article and loved it, so I'm dutifully jumping on the bandwagon).

2. We will not buy Baines, and Evra will be given another year.

3. Nothing else will happen.

Joe

17 Jul 2012 00:22:34
Just saw this rumour on a pure shit website:
"ronaldo back to Man United for 30mil as part of a buy back clause when they sold him, reliable source in the Man United camp"

I know its complete bulls***, but it got me wondering, do we actually have a buy-back clause for Cristiano Ronaldo in any shape or form? Like, Ronaldo is a huge talent and probably the best player at the moment, with the exception of Messi maybe, so it would probably have been a smart idea to get a buy-back clause written into his contract.

Maybe an agreement that he comes and finishes his career at united? Just a thought.

Caolán.

If I could sell something for $100 with a buyback of $50. I would do it everyday. Only a fool could be on the other side.

"I know its complete bulls*** but" - the answer was in your post, all you had to do was read back over it :-)

Flimbo