Manchester United Banter Archive July 17 2013

17 Jul 2013 23:16:42
"Fabregas has decided to stay one more year at Barcelona. Unless he has changed his mind. I don't know. But that's what I have been told. We have the clause in his contract so we would be on alert but at the moment that's not something we are after. " - Arsene Wenger
Jred

17 Jul 2013 23:00:11
Sky Italia modric. I saying no more its getting stupid. let's see what the daily rags come up with tomorrow.
KevDarko

17 Jul 2013 22:38:28
To everybody saying that 'nobody is bigger than the club' when it comes to Rooney; I whole-heartedly agree - whether that man be Wayne Rooney, David Moyes or Ed Woodward,

Seeing Moyes and Woodward trying to force Rooney out is really grinding my gears. Past indiscretions aside; Wayne has been a fantastic servant to our club over the past 9 years and as many have said - does not have anything to prove. We know he is a fantastic player and when correctly motivated he gives his all for the club.

I know me saying this is somewhat elementary as he's as good as gone already - but Rooney has given a lot to this club of ours and deserves better when it comes to the treatment he's received lately. SAF publicly denouncing him for a comment he made off hand in a PRIVATE chat is one thing. SAF has done more for the club than perhaps anybody ever has or will; but for Moyes to publicly humiliate him by referring to him as back up and Woodward to openly say that he'd happily let Rooney's contract run down (given the fact that he's being treated terribly and told that he'll be kept as back-up by the manager) is out of order. They are the ones with something to prove - not Wayne.

Neither Moyes nor Woodward have done anything so far to warrant the respect of United fans and are some years away from having contributed anywhere near as much as Wayne has (I doubt either ever will). Of course I'll support them both within reason; but their behavior has thus far been unbecoming of our great club as well as detrimental to our future success and a little embarrassing.

redseven {Ed001's Note - is that not similar to when Fergie arrived and immediately shipped out the troublemakers? Some of them were beloved by the fans, who turned on the manager, saying very similar things if I remember correctly. Surely it would be best to just accept that the manager is picking the players, no point keeping a player he doesn't want and just concentrate on giving him the backing he will badly need?}

It's not a case of Moyes/Woodward over Rooney, it's a case of MU over Rooney. If the club feel it's best that he moves on and after last season where Rooney couldn't even stay in shape, then who are we to question it. This isn't a Moyes/Woodward decision, this started with SAF/Gill in charge so this goes much further up the hierarchy than Moyes. Rooney has never lived up to his 2009/10 form, it's now 2013. It isn't coming back my friend. This is the right time to sell him.

Sydney!

Well said I think he has been s*** on by the club, he is a great player and he could go on and become a true legend for us, please stay wazza but I think my hopes are zero.

18 Jul 2013 00:10:51
Excuse me? Fantastic servant? How do you work that out? All he had done is play football to the best of his ability for the club, I thought that was the job we were paying him so hansomely to do?

Rooney has been far from a fantastic servant for our club. He has played some great football for us, but as i've said that should be a given for every footballer who plays for us.

Was he acting in the clubs best interest when he held the club to ransom?

Was it for the love of our club that he came back from the summer break last year well over weight?

Was he serving our club to the best of his ability during all his slumps in form brought about due to his off field antics such as sleeping with prostitutes, his dad getting arrested and all his other off field problems that have brought about his dips in form?

Has his repeated antics helped the club or dragged the club through the mud?

And you want to call this person a fantastic servant. Paul Scholes was a fantastic servant, he spent his whole career playing for us. He always played to the best of his ability, but he never once dragged our clubs name through the mud, he never held our club to ransom, and he never felt himself more important than the club.

And you think Wayne should be held in the same esteem as Scholes? Rooney isn't fit to clean Paul's boots.

Rooney has done his on field work to a high standard, and has helped the club win many major trophies. And for that I am thankful. But his indescretions have blown any chance he had to be held in such high esteem as players such as Paul Scholes.

So thanks for your service Wayne, but don't let the door hit you on the way out.

The club have done nothing different that players agents don't do and release info wether its true or false to the media when it suits there cause. also if you read the full interview moyes doesn't say rooney is now only a back up, again his agent stretford and the media have distorted the facts to make them seem like the grieved party in all of this.
johndenton

18 Jul 2013 00:30:10
Who's forcing him out he wants to go just doesn't want to ask as he'd miss out on his cut that's all were forcing him to do. Of course he has plenty to prove. Scholes used to shove his winners medals in his sock draw and focus on the next. Didn't someone once say at united you always have prove yourself. As ed says reminds me if the end of the drinking club.

Well said Shappy he is not a fantastic servant nor will he ever be classed as a United legend. The assistance he got from SAF and our club when he had his indiscretions seems to be forgotten about on his behalf.
On looking back at his career he will be remembered as the most talented english footballer since Gazza who unfortunately never reached his full potential.
Wayne Rooney is not the victim, we the fans are, he is the instignator along with his agent in this sorry mess.

Spot on Shappy - people forget that we lost about half a season of Rooney following his off-field indiscretions, whilst paying him handsomely. I only wish that I had a fraction of his ability as a footballer and the opportunity to play for one (if not the greatest) teams in the world!

Shappy
So after 9 years in which Rooney was instrumental in US winning every major title 279 games 141 goals Rooney hasn't been a good servant to the club.

Some of the things that are posted on this site about Rooney are ridiculous
Jred

18 Jul 2013 09:23:47
I'm not saying Rooney hasn't done well for us. far from it, his record stands up for its self.

But I can't say he has been a "fantastic" servent for us due to the way he has treated the club and the problems he has caused the club through his indescretions.

Rooney has been a good servant to the club. However he has let himself down on a few occasions too, so his time here will always be questioned by the majority of MU fans.

Sydney!

17 Jul 2013 22:03:12
My two pennies worth:

Barca to let fabregas go for 20 + vidic sorts there defence out and they balance the books from the neymar buy

To be honest I love vidic I think he's awesome but for a central midfielder of proven quality it makes sense.

Also with Rooney if he goes to Chelsea he will have a year or two of good form then decline and every one will think oh what a shame he could have been great looking at him from 18 to 25 but then he went on a downward spiral.

Hassan.

Wenger has apparently said in an interview that Arsenal have first refusal on Fabregas but he wants to stay at Barcelona for another year before making any decision on his future.

Red Spark

Arsenal have 1st refusal if the fees 25mill

17 Jul 2013 21:41:55
Ed / Sydney

On the Rooney transfer, are there any other clubs showing major interest currently and are likely to bid? I don't really want Rooney to go and definitely not to an epl side he is a fantastic player and at Chelsea would be a major threat.
Jamiehowz

Expect an Arsenal bid over the next few days - although it will not be as public as the Chelsea bid.

I've also heard talk that City are stalling on a bid for Jovetic to see if there's any possibility of signing him - but they won't.

redseven

17 Jul 2013 21:25:03
Be honest, which players that you would consider to be marquee signings would leave a club to play under ex-Everton manager David Moyes?!

I see your point, Moyes is unproven in Europe. On the other hand he's managing Manchester United. Surely that alone should be incentive for some world class players. Shouldn't it?

Matt

Presumably the same sort of players who left their clubs to sign for an ex-Aberdeen manager!

Ones that want to play for the 20 times premier league champions Manchester United?

Not many of the big overseas names will know who the hell he is

They won't be playing for Ex Everton manager Moyes.

They will be playing for The champions and Manchester United Manager Moyes!

Fred the red

17 Jul 2013 21:07:03
Just seen this, made me chuckle:


Dwayne Rooney let the whole world know yesterday that he was ‘real mad and confused’ about his situation with Man Unity.

In doing so, he opened the door for a franchise enhancement window move away from the Soccer Devils.

After Coach Moyles said he was not going to go sell Rooney, the current situation leaves him with an all you can eat buffet of food for thought.

Dubbed by Unity fans as the ‘English Freddy Adu’ in his younger years, Rooney has kicked in a whole load of goalshots for the franchise from the Old Trafford Center since arriving from Evertown Franchise Club in the fall of ’04.

Unity fans once loved Rooney, just like a fat kid loves hamburgers. Right now though, it looks like they’re going to have to say goodbye to their balding hero.

Juan Mourinho at Chelsea Franchise Club is already sniffing around like he’s a dog trying to go sniff another dog’s butt. Backed by Roman Ibrahimovic, The Special Juan has already put a bid in for Rooney which has been rejectified by Coach Moyles.

If another higher bid came in from the Blue Lions, it sure would be interesting to see what would happen.

London Arsenal have also been linked with Rooney. Coach Wagner is keen to go and buy some new soccer players and after selling the Unity their own MVP RSVP last year, it may be time for the Soccer Devils to return to sender one of their own goalshot inserters!

Although Dwayne Rooney is believed to wanna stay within the English EPL League, it is unlikely the Unity would wanna do that.

For those Unity fans, seeing him kick a goalshot in against their franchise would be like watching a kid watch their dog get hit by a freight train.

A move to some foreign overseas league would seem to be way better for Coach Moyles and his franchise. Big spending PSV and Monaco Franchise Club from the French League in France would be interested.

Barcelonia and Real Salt Lake’s Spanish franchise in Madrid would also like to have him do some soccer over in EPL Spain.

The eyes of the soccer world are fixed on Dwayne Rooney. For all the talk of this being one of the biggest franchise enhancement window moves in the history of this year, nobody can say for sure that he won’t keep on kicking goalshots in the red of Man Unity.

On a serious note:the way football is going, it won't be long before it turns into something similar to American franchise sport.

BornInToIt

If Rooney leaves we just need to find a new goalshot inserter. Simples

17 Jul 2013 20:56:59
It's just my opinion but if you let Rooney go to Chelsea he is so going to come back and haunt you.

You love to say class is permanant and he has it in abundance, Mourinho plays him in his favoured role and gets him on a roll, he will be the unstoppable Rooney you all loved not so long ago. With their quality behind him it will be a while before you see No21.

Sometimes a shirt isn't the most important thing in the world, no matter what the name of your club.

Or maybe he won't like playing and living in London and will eat and drink himself out of shape again

How's this hell have a cracking first season decent second and well be reminiscing how rooney was another gascoigne world at his feet aged 23/25 then he lost it

Very unfair on both Gazza and Rooney.

Rooney is still a world class player with many years left at the top. People are going way overboard with the criticism. Just one season ago he had his BEST season goalscoring wise. He has a record of almost one in two over 400+ games and has won five titles. Some of you are absolute jokers!

As for Gazza, his best years football wise were at Rangers.

17 Jul 2013 20:42:52
I thought people would like to see the full moyes quote
I think he’s got a major role to play because we need to try and get as many goals as we possibly can. I think Wayne can play up-top he can play dropped in. Overall my thought on Wayne is he’ll be key. If for any reason we had an injury to Robin we are going to need him. I want to be able to play the two of them, I want to be able to use Danny Welbeck, Chicarito as well.

darrelWithoutAnExclamationMark

Exactly mate.

The media could have used, 'major role to play', 'he'll be key' or 'I want to be able to play the two of them'.

Instead they focused on the 'if RVP is injured' half-sentence, and got a lot of silly ninny's on here claiming that DM and the club have treated poor Wayne abominably.

Lazy, manipulative journalism, which some of the more gullible amongst us have repeated ad nauseum, to the point that it is now accepted as gospel, and used, by those who had their doubts about him, as a stick to beat DM with.

I think DM has given Wayne the chance to stay, but Wayne is determined to go. So be it. But I can't see how DM or the club are at fault over what has transpired

It was a great opportunity for Rooney and his agent to use it for their gain.

Sydney!

Thanks Steve,

As you know I have been mentioning this for a few days but couldn't find the exact quote. Well done.

17 Jul 2013 20:30:34
Blimey, I know it's hot but come on chaps, some of the stuff today a suggest people have sunstroke. Suarez? Really? And some of the valuations of Rooney are way off. 2 years ago we would have got big money but now, anything above £25M and I think we will sell.

I think Chelsea may need to pay £30m.

Sydney!

Yes 25m and saving on wages that would suit the glazers fine, would mean david moyes is doing a good job

If Chelsea do get Rooney we really need to pull something Big to make sure we are not effected by his departure City are Buying a lot of I would say top 4 signings not players who are going to make them title favourites, I think if Chelsea get Rooney and De Rossi they will by far be our biggest competition so fingers crossed we have something up our sleeve.

RED91

17 Jul 2013 20:05:13
Can anyone not see Vidic being used in the bid for fabregas? Barca are after a defender, the reason why we are going for Garay?

KC

Vidic to barca heard rumour about that weeks ago posted it on rumour site got laughed off but I still believe it could happen

Mentioned it also and got told no chance. i'd be happy with tht deal

17 Jul 2013 19:28:08
City have Silva yaya and aguerro, Chelsea have Oscar, mata and hazard, spurs have bale, real have a load of them and so do barca and bayern. Do we see any of these clubs selling their best or second best players?
No? So why the hell are we trying to sell one of our best players. Is it because Moyes is not strong enough to deal with him? Is it because Woodward is looking after the glazers as we thought he will?
It doesn't make sense in any way.
Nomidfield

NoMidfield - It is pretty obvious, Rooney does not want to be here and has made that public twice now. He should have been sold the first time as he is not bigger than the club. Moyes has done nothing wrong you are clearly just looking for excuses to take any swipe at him.

Everyone's fault but Rooney's eh?

Sydney!

Woodward looking after the glazers whey shoudnt he SAF did, best owners we could have hoped for

So if we sell him to Chelsea, who can we replace him with for£25m? I've asked this a few times but no one can come up with a name.
Remember we are losing someone who scores a shed load of goals and makes a load of assists for others. These players don't come very often. And non are willing to come to united at the moment.
Nomidfield

Rooney has been replaced by RvP as the main striker and replaced by Kagawa in the hole. Rooney will not be directly replaced, nor does he need to be.

Sydney!

17 Jul 2013 21:36:13
He has been replaced by Kagawa for twelve million

I do think rooney needs to go but kag hasn't proved himself enough at united to be considered a rooney replacement yet surely.

Syd

Thats some change in stance. A few weeks ago you were like "we can only contemplate selling Rooney if we get a WORLD CLASS" replacement first. What you are saying now is diametrically opposite to that mate. Love him, hate him, if you think that we are going to be just fine if we get rid and not sign someone special, you are ignoring the obvious. But then this site has been full of this for months now. We are out in full force castigating him and yet we do not have a single quote from Wayne Rooney! We picka nd chose what to take as gospel from the tabloids.

Deeps.

Deeps, not directly. When I said a replacement I did not mean a striker. Unless Lewandowski was available I wouldn't go for a striker. Rooney has already been replaced as the main striker by RvP and Kagawa has replaced him in the hole.

No name, we will never see the best of Kagawa until Rooney is gone.

Sydney!

17 Jul 2013 19:25:02
It seems as if Paul Stretfords advice to Rooney has backfired this time. Two years ago he held us to ransom saying we weren't buying top class players. We bought RVP and now Rooney is saying he won't play second fiddle. Double standards if you ask me. Perhaps Wayne should just ask DM if he could pick the team each week. No way back this time Wayne, bye bye.

Don't you think it would be detrimental to the club to let rooney go without a quality replacement ie

The only bye bye would be us kissing goodbye to the PL if he goes to Chelsea. Don't know what paul Stretford has done this time? Rooney has been played out of position for years, and he was rightly discussing the matter with ferguson in private. But ferguson decided to make it public and it has backfired on united and us fans.
believe me, we will be the only losers if he leaves.
Nomidfield

17 Jul 2013 20:48:54
How has he been played out of position for years? He was when Ron was here but he went four years ago. He only got played out of position last year through shocking fitness and a better player.

Agree no midfield people should be careful what thy wish for if rooney goes we won't make top 4

Rooney has been played out of position due to other players being better than him in those positions. Perhaps if Rooney kept himself in shape he wouldn't have lost his place? Perhaps it's Moyes fault for Rooney getting porky and living a poor lifestyle?

Sydney!

I'd be interested to know what Rooney's best position is now. He's clearly not as good as RVP at leading the line and his performances in midfield last season were less than convincing. Great player in his day but I suspect that day has gone and some of it is down to Wayne not living the lifestyle of a top class athlete earning millions a year.

17 Jul 2013 19:05:14
Is it likely to be just one possible incoming or could it be more?

MEF

I would guess at Garay & a possibility of Baines. I would expect Bayern & Monaco to be hovering with bids for Vidic & Evra if that's the case

Red Spark

17 Jul 2013 18:39:58
Yuck! Way to many chelsea fans on these pages atm :-)

17 Jul 2013 18:15:17
So Ed Woodward has left the tour on urgent business. I don't think its for an incoming signing but to deal with the Rooney saga once and for all. I think he will hold discussions with him for one last time, see what offers are on the table and Rooney might be off.

There is still no way we would get Fabregas. Barcelona would be mad to sell him after letting Thiago go. What I don't understand is why didn't we go for Fabregas directly? Barcelona would have been much more likelier to sell, Thiago may have been persuaded to stay there as Cesc left and we would have got Cesc ourselves. It just won't happen now. Baines seems to be "not for sale". I would rather we made no signings than see Fellaini here.

REDFAITH

Thiago told Barcelona he wants to leave months ago. He was our primary target so we went all out for him. When he chose to go to BM we set our sights on Cesc. Barcelona will probably sell at a certain price, but the question is whether Cesc will want the move.

Sydney!

17 Jul 2013 20:21:34
How is baines not for sale Everton are looking at replacements. I doubt we would go for cesc if it was hopeless as we would just look daft.

17 Jul 2013 17:59:52
All this talk about Rooney going to Chelsea let's be honest been on the cards all summer, anyone think if we can't get Mata in the deal what about Ramirez (not sure on spelling) would be worth a gamble, great energy box to box, young scores a few? Or a straight 25-30 mill? If we do sell him who should we bring in? I think we should look at Sanchez or benzema but probably end up with no replacement.

Tucker, if we sell Rooney, we need to ask for at least £40m, and most importantly, we need to sign a replacement before the deal for Rooney is completed or announced. The reason for this being if another club know we just sold a player for £40m they would want more money for their player. However, if we do sell Rooney we would probably prefer to get Mata as part of the deal.

Gilly, you're right, but although the window has got some time to go, we need to get out act together as these things don't happen overnight.
I can't see anyone out there for the money who will be anywhere near Rooney.
And I think the club, Moyes and Woodward has handled the whole episode very poorly, doesn't vouch well for the future.
Nomidfield.

17 Jul 2013 20:25:50
How has it been handled bad. Think its been firm and fair.

Agree nomidfield can't imagine united without rooney unless we sign a better replacement

Rooney has been replaced by RvP as the main striker and replaced by Kagawa in the hole. Rooney will not be directly replaced, nor does he need to be.

Sydney!

Nomidfield and Boarshaw agreeing with each other on a negative comment.

Never thought I'd see the day.

Honest :)

17 Jul 2013 17:34:41
Seen quite a few posts lately slating moysie and the club in general for the way theyv handled the rooney situation.
Were on about a player who PUBLICLY questioned the clubs ambition and handed in a transfer request and ended up with a nice big pay rise.
Then he spent most of his time since overweight, unfit ans for the past 6 or 8 months uninterested.
A man who got his apparent wish of us signing top drawer players but then threw a tantrum because he lost his place.
He then says he has nothing to prove to us and feels angry and confused because he seems to think he should be entitled to be the main man at the club!
Who exactly is treating who badly there?
I honestly can't believe people are having a go at the club for not allowing him to control the situation.
Think most would agree we don't need the distraction at the start of a new era and clearly DM and the club think the same yet some feel sorry for rooney? Unbelievable


BABY FACED ASSASIN

BFA, all valid points, but Rooney has scored 141 goals in 277 games for United in the league and he is now the third top scorer in the club's history. The fact is since his new deal Rooney has had one great season, scoring 34 goals in 44 games and one below average season, scoring 18 goals in 36 games. When they claim he has been poor for 3 seasons, a lot of people seem to forget just how good he was the season when City won the league, although I fairness I can understand United fans wanting to forget that season.

Oh right so wrap him in cotton wool then and double his wage then hay.

Gilly,
Im not saying he hasn't served us well at times but its the mans attitude that irritates me. His one bad season was the last one which just happens to be when we signed RVP and kags and he eventually lost his place but instead of working hard and showing SAF and everybody he should still be our number one he throws a paddy and by all accounts says play me or sell me.
His attitude is a disgrace and by saying that he was basically holding us to ransom again!
He disrespected the club publicly when he fixed his current contract and has disrespected us fans with his attitude and fitness over the last 12 months and that's my issue with him. he seems to think that he's the attraction and not manchester united.
Iv no doubt he'l do well at chelsea but its probably just as damaging keeping him.
He doesn't want to be here because he wants to be the main man so let him go and fight egos with mourinho and we'l move on and get a player who has the passion to play for us

17 Jul 2013 17:22:40
Can I just say not one of us on here all of last season or this window put Fabregas etc in our teams for this season because in all honesty we al thought we would spend maybe 20 million and maybe a youngster, well this window has been completely different to all of our expectations. Here is hoping we can actually manage to sign some of the players instead of bidding and giving up.

George-

Believe it or not I actually expected us to spend big this summer.

SAF leaving and Moyes' lack of experience leaves us looking week; and so a few big signings are needed (our midfield especially, having needed reinforcing for some time now).

My surprise comes that we still have not signed anybody. Moyes being on holiday when other clubs were making early signings and Woodward being on the other side of the world sunning it up whilst he should have been in Manchester sorting out potential signings is laughable and a potentially a worrying sign of things to come!

redseven

Redseven, usually you are not one of the flappers on here and someone who trusts the club. Rooney leaving has been on the cards for sometime, I find it hard to believe I am the only one on this page that has been expecting this to happen this summer. MU have plenty of cash and they know that selling Rooney to Chelsea will mean we have to sign one or two big players. MU will have been prepared for this so have a bit of faith mate. Remember one thing, we have six weeks until the close of the window. Remember what I said many moons ago, OUTGOINGS will determine our transfers. RvP & Kagawa was the first step to replacing Rooney. The second step is strengthening the midfield and the left-side. Rooney's fee will go a bit of a way to making that happen. People are worried about Rooney being the golden boot, scoring against us etc etc. I think this is the best time possible to sell Wayne Rooney. He will never regain the 2009/10 form without a time machine. He will still be a top player for them, but he is no Falcao or Cavani. RvP will be golden boot next season. Imagine a settled RvP who will take ALL the freekicks and penalties.

Sydney!

Not the only one expecting it Syd it's been obvious for months. Two years left on a deal he blackmailed us to get. Good riddance to the overated overpayed fool and easily replaced by a player who wants to play for the shirt. United are not the best run club by accident. Expect us to be prepared as always and get what Moyes wants.

K-Stand Red

17 Jul 2013 17:04:11
So Ed Woodward is returning early to deal with urgent transfer business which is reportedly Fabregas according to the BEEB. Well if we can manage to get Baines, Garay, Fabregas and Mata that would be imo the best summer we perhaps have had for 10 years even if it sees Rooney leaving to Chelsea.

Why was he there in the first place? Should have been in Manchester sorting out transfers and the Rooney saga

Sky has also reported this. Apparently Chelsea have made an offer for Rooney, we have rejected the offer, which was cash only and Chelsea won't make another. Personally I think Chelsea offered Mata, but they don't want to unsettle him. Hopefully, we can seal the deal for Fabregas and maybe attempt to sign Vidal. For me perfect summer would be Fabregas, Vidal, Baines and keep Rooney.

What makes you think mata would ever go to united. ?

Maybe because were the champions of england and a far bigger more prestigious club than chelsea perhaps?

BABY FACED ASSASIN

Champions is a good reason

No name, Mata has never said he would not come to United, did you really think RvP wanted to come to United. I admit I did not expect he would.

17 Jul 2013 16:57:26
Guys, the news is that Fabregas will sign for Utd tomorrow.

Chris

17 Jul 2013 16:38:16
So Ed Woodward has left the tour to deal with urgent transfer business.
Brace yourselves fellow reds. this where it starts to get exciting.

My guess is Garay

I think the deal for Garay is nearly complete, and I reckon he wants to secure a deal for Fabregas. Although I would like to wake up to hear we have sealed a deal for Fabregas and another for Vidal.

Probably Garay or Baines, but would love it to be Cesc to solve part of our midfield issues.

Sydney!

Sydney, I think Baines would take a lot longer to complete, and also you need to register, I think quite a few posters value your opinion, often see people ask "Eds and Sydney".

Gilly, I agree mate. It will unlikely be Baines unless a fee has been agreed in private and others bar Woodward are dealing with it. I would expect Kenright to be the first to announce it though. The bloke loves his own voice ;)

Sydney!

Haha. As they say in Scouse land Sydney. Get told! ;)

17 Jul 2013 15:50:10
I'm not really sure what is happening at our club at the moment?

First with Rooney: opinion is divided with him but surely nearly every one here does not want him to join Chelsea as no matter what anyone says, we would be strengthening a rival and I'm slightly worried as I think Jose would get a lot out of him. I'm not saying that I'm bothered if we sell him but if we have to sell I prefer abroad.
Personal preference is to keep him although it looks unlikely

Fabregas: I really do not know what to make of this. At first I was excited as he is an exceptional player and would improve our midfield immensely. But I just don't see how we are going to get him? Why would barca sell? Competition? It is possible but just doesn't seem likely.

Lack of transfer activity: by now we would have usually had some transfers done and many of our competitors have done business so that's why some are getting frustrated and the lack of targets there seems to be makes it very difficult to predict who we will actually sign that will improve us.

Having said all of this there still is a long time in the window so we shouldn't be panicking and I'm just hoping moyes has something up his sleeve. Although I know this isn't a very positive post I think we should just keep positive because we do have a good team regardless of what some says.

HTS

I couldn't give a monkey's where Rooney goes providing we get our targets in. I would much rather Chelsea got Rooney then Falcao or Cavani. I would rather we had RvP leading our attack than Rooney. It's now important we build our midfield and left-side with talent.

Sydney!

Aside from the new regime; the main delay in our lack of activity in the transfer market seems to be that we are no longer a desirable destination for top talents.

Our reluctance to adapt to the changing economy in football leaves prospective players questioning our financial clout and desire to sign them; whilst the loss of SAF and appointment of Moyes (who has already painted himself in a negative light by his handling of the Rooney situation, as far as I am concerned) also does not help.

If it's true that we're only after top players (the fact that we're being linked with Fellaini makes me wonder how exactly we are defining 'top players') - it needs to be pointed out that they are few and far between.

For the first time in a long time there have been quite a few available this summer - but having dragged our feet - the list of players worthy of playing for us who could be available is dwindling by the day.

Fabregas may well have been an option at some point. As I pointed out a month or so ago when we were first linked with him; his time at Barcelona has been viewed as a failure by the fans and hierarchy of the club - and the majority of the aforementioned would have sooner seen him leave than Thiago (owing mainly to the fact that Thiago is younger and has far more potential).

Had we acted before Thiago left for BM, Barcelona may have seen offloading Fabregas as a means to convincing Thiago to stay as well as bringing in some cash for the CB they desperately need. It may still happen for the second reason; but I see it being far less likely than had we put in a bid a month or two ago!

redseven

So t's ok for Spurs to strengthen Man U with Berbatov, it's ok for Arsenal to strengthen you with RVP.

WOW, very short sighted and you not want Spurs to sell you Bale

Redseven, why would we bid for Cesc when Thiago was our number one target? It was only when Thiago signed for BM that we turned our attentions to Cesc.

Sydney!

Sydney!

I'm yet to hear anybody from or even directly connected to the club even confirm that we had an interest in Thiago - let alone that he was our number one target! There's been a few ex players mention Cesc.

The volume of press coverage our 'interest' in Thiago got would suggest that there was something there; but if he really were our number one target why would we have quibbled over £4m?

Anyway. My original post does not suggest that Cesc is our 'number one' target nor that we SHOULD have bid for him first; but that HAD we done so it would have been more likely to be accepted!

redseven

Redseven, Barcelona have known for months that Thiago wants to leave. So that is ONE reason why bidding for Cesc earlier would have made no difference. If Thiago was our primary target like it would suggest, then why would we bid for Cesc whilst we are trying to agree a deal for Thiago?

Sydney!

17 Jul 2013 16:06:47
Ed Woodward has left the tour to deal with some urgent transfer business.

Could mean Fabregas bid accepted or Chelsea came back with a bigger offer for Rooney.

Thorne

It will be Garay Thorne.

Hex, I would not be so sure. Apparently a lot of the Garay is complete, and I think Ed Woodward would be able to sort that out from Australia. Personally, I think he has come back to seal a deal for Fabregas, or secure a deal to sell Rooney, and I hope he is trying to break the bank for Vidal.

17 Jul 2013 16:03:08
DM should take a good look on Luiz Gustavo.

Sorry but no top player wants to play for an outdated manager like Moyes.

17 Jul 2013 15:25:35
Hi eds
If Barcelona don't want to sell cesc then what is taking them so long to reject Uniteds bid?

Thanks

They may have already rejected the bid but it is not public knowledge

17 Jul 2013 15:54:35
'Ed Woodward has left tour of Australia to carry out transfer business' please tell me what else he has been doing and why on earth he hasn't been doing this for weeks now?!

Exactly. What the hell is he doing on our tour in the first place as he should be going all over the world pursuing our transfer targets

17 Jul 2013 15:52:02
This pre-season is all becoming a bit comical and embarrassing for Man United.
Still no new players, Rooney rocking the boat it's become laugable.
Wayne Rooney will leave, there is no way he can stay now.
I just hope David Moyes has 3-4 good signings lined up or I really don't hold out much hope this season.
Im not being negative but the squad on paper is just not good enough and without the influence of Fergie who I believe was the reason why we won the premiership last year it's going to be a really tough season ahead.
At best I think a champions league spot.
If anyone if brought in I think it's going to be Baines and Fellaini which just isn't good enough.

Simmo

Agree with that simmo but hope we are wrong

17 Jul 2013 14:47:59
All this Rooney stuff has been put out to the press to deflect the embarrassment away from the fact that Fabregas has zero interest in joining us and Barcelona don't need to sell.
A. J

Well ain't u a joy

17 Jul 2013 14:15:56
Having issued such an ultimatum to the squad, it is rather self-indulgent to then complain that a genuinely world-class striker is being selected ahead of him as a striker, particularly when the new recruit is performing so effectively. Are we to assume that when Rooney wanted the 'top players in the world' he in fact desired only those that operated in different areas of the field to his own? It is rather obtuse to argue for competition within the squad, only to appear "angry and confused" when such competition is provided. Rooney's own words, it appears, have come back to haunt him.

I like Rooney but this taken from a website is very hard to disagree with

It's not quite that black and white. He's angry and confused about the way he has been treated.

As a result of a PRIVATE chat which SAF then decided to make public (and appears to have altered the context a little) - Rooney has become public enemy number one with the fans.

Moyes came out in his first press conference claiming that he wanted Rooney to stay and then less than two weeks later basically said that the only reason he wants him is as back-up for RVP. I am not in the least surprised that that made him angry as he is a much better layer than that and would be first choice at all of our domestic rivals (Chelski, Arsenal and City).

As for the ambition comment; RVP is not that much better than Rooney - and the difference is only in form rather than outright ability.

Of all of the areas on the pitch last season; up top was the one which needed the least in terms of reinforcements. Rather than strengthen the midfield (which has needed re-building for 4 years now) - SAF for some reason opted to buy another striker which we really didn't need and then decided to play with 1 up top.

Yes; RVP outscored Rooney last year; but in terms of minutes per goal/assist Rooney was far superior despite being injured and out of sorts for much of the season. Rooney is younger and a better fit for the club in terms of our play style and when he recovers his form he will once again be the better of the two outright.

Agree or disagree with that last statement - I can't see two many arguing that Rooney and RVP are not our two best players; and so to force one of our best players out of the door in this manner is both nonsensical and unbecoming of a great club like ours.

redseven

In all honesty.

I think the last contract debarckle annoyed SAF and he's decided that he doesn't want Rooney at his club.

So during the season he purposely moved Rooney around knowing he'll throw a paddy and make a silly comment like " why don't you sell me then" which then gave fergie the fuel he needed to claim Rooney wants out.

It honestly feels like Fergie wants him gone so engineered a way to do so. Hpoefully freeing up funds for Moyes to get some new talents in and getting rid of a liablilty media wise (addicted to hookers) and team moral wise (him thinking he's bigger then the club)

Rooney clearly has let himself go and struggles with fitness. Yes he can work for the team but I feel he gets above his station and fergie had enough.

Excellent PLayer just has a few bad habits and his self importance is the level of ronaldo but his ork effect is clearly not upto scratch.


He could be the most genuine guy but ti acts like a petulent child, appears to be one then what else can it be?

He wants out then get him out but don't get mugged doing so.

If only he could realise what a player he could be if he trained and composed hmself like ronnie. He'd be irreplaceable but as such he is expendable so long as the right player is bought in return (bale, ronnie etc)

Could not have put it better, if he leaves I really do hope we go on and buy 3 or 4 world class players and win the league, and then have a open to bus go past whatever mansion he is living in at the time.
I don't agree with the way we have dealt with issues but its all of his own making.
KevDarko

Got to laugh at a few on here. Rooney is holding the club to ransom again, nothing more, nothing less. If we agreed to meet him demands in ten minutes time he would sign an extension. The problem Rooney and his agent have is this time round Rooney does not hold all of the cards and they know realistically he may have to go elsewhere. I o not see MU backing down this time round.

Sydney!

Fergie playing him out of position for two years due to fergie's lack of midfield, hole can that be Rooney's fault for gods sake. If someone at work asked you to do a job you are not qualified for, then crtisized you for not doing it properly, would you be happy??
Besides, if we sell Rooney, do you honestly think we will go and buy 3-4 world class players as you stated? Who are these players, where do we get the funds for them even if they were available.
Some united fans seem to have a very short memory, it wasn't even two years ago that he nearly fired us to the league only for city to pip us join goal difference. Have we all started believing the s*** the papers are putting out just so we can sell our best players and that they could have the last laugh?
For the club's sake, I hope Moyes and Woodward start acting like grown ups and get to grips with their new jobs. Their performances on and off the pitch have been less than impressive.
Nomidfield

Redseven, Moyes never said he didn't want Rooney to leave, all he said was that the club were not selling him. Big Difference!

RedDub

Agreed it could of been done better, but having heard the moyes interview he was not saying he was back up for rvp. he was simply stating if he was to sell rooney and then rvp got injured what would he do thn? He was actually stating he needed rooney but the press have jus taken what they wanted from the interview and ignored the rest.

RedDub-

"I have known Wayne since he was 16, when he was at Everton. It is a little bit of deja vu. He is training really well, he is coming back in good shape and I am looking forward to working with him. "

Stating that he is looking forward to working with him and that he will not be sold are pretty much the same thing as saying that he wants him to stay. Why on earth would he talk about Wayne becoming our top scorer of all time if he did not want it to happen?

There are ways to amicably remove a player from a club and then there is this. Quite frankly, I remain appalled at how Wayne has been treated and believe he has every right to be angry himself.

Sydney! -

I feel the need to laugh at you a little if I am honest. Your views on Rooney are certainly resolute - but stating them as fact does not make them so. I and many others believe that Rooney can still reach the levels that he has in the past and whilst I respect your opinion; I find it a little pathetic that you find the opinions of others laughable for the simple reason that they contradict your own.

We will see who is laughing next year when Rooney wins the golden boot with Chelsea - scoring a few past us in the process!

redseven

Nomidfield, you need to stop defending Rooney. He is making mugs of us 'AGAIN' and you are protecting him. Pathetic.

You are a Manchester United fan remember.

Sydney!

I disagree to an extent Sydney

There is some element of truth in what Nomidfield said. Behind Rooney was a poor midfield that saw Rooney himself play left and central midfield then get dropped after not playing well enough because it is not his position.

My concern is that Rooney at Chelsea would hand them a huge boost and we are then left relying on a near 30 year old RVP

17 Jul 2013 14:14:03
Change of subject lads. I heard nothing about Nani/valencia/young's departure or any potential incoming winger rumours for a while. what do we all know guys? Personally, I don't believe in the swap deal of Rooney w Mata, so we unless we are after a winger, we maybe sticking with our current wingers for another year? that'd be very disappointing and also very a tough year for DM.
RumourNo. 1

I think Nani, Young, Valencia & Zaha will be our wide men this year. As well as Kagawa and Welbeck being pushed over there. Nani seems set to stay and have another go, we may see a reinvigorated Nani, you never know. I think if we make a wing signing it will be a huge deal for either Bale or Ronaldo. That could be why we are taking so long to do anything?

Fresh, I feel the same except the Big signing. I don't think we'd ever go for it, but the closest we could ever get to will be to submit a bid, but end up not bidding enough money on any of Ronny / Bale. God, hate to be so pessimistic!
RumourNo. 1

17 Jul 2013 14:07:21
United still want to keep Wayne Rooney hence why they leaked to the press that Mata or Luiz were included in the bid made by Chelsea. It was a straight cash offer of about £25m there was no player included. United obviously rejected it straight away. Chelsea trying to unsettle Rooney even more than he already was/is so United playing games back. United have no intention of selling. Dissapointed we missed out on Thiago I was told it was done barring actually having a medical and signing, I just Pep's comments in the press turned his head. Can't blame him really just hope he's not wasted away their, he's a real talent

OT Ghost

17 Jul 2013 14:00:38
What are peoples thoughts on perhaps taking a little gamble on someone such as Afellay, Gourcuff and perhaps Pato? Yes, I accept they've all had their injury issues, but still at a reasonable age, and likely available at reasonable prices.

I'm not suggesting them as potential 'marquee' signings, but perhaps just a little gamble aside of whoever we're targeting this Summer.

Personally, I think Afellay could turn out to be a absolute gem if he can overcome he knee issues, and allowed to flourish in the right environment.

WF Red Devil

No, no and no. Non of these will improve our team.
Nomidfield

I was a fan of Afellay at PSV but it seems that ever since he left there, he hasn't outshined anyone else. Maybe because the leagues are different, maybe because he has been racked with injuries, or maybe he didn't fit into the line up. I'm afraid with the physicality of the english game he might suffer more nagging injuries but if he's available for cheap he may be useful for rotation on the wings if one of Nani/Young/Valencia is sold.

17 Jul 2013 13:48:26
Everybody is having a go at Rooney, but I share his pain. Who isn't angry and confused about our transfer dealings this summer (:
A. J

17 Jul 2013 13:29:33
Cash bid only like I said! £23 million was the offer and Rooney will go for nearer £27 million!

Thank u jose

£27 mil is a joke

torres (out of form and sulking) went for £50 million

andy $%$%$ carroll went for £35 million

rooney is worth at least £35 mil if sold abroad but to a main rival there is an additional fee.

minimum £40 mil if sold to chelsea - we would be mugs otherwise.

yes he ain't world class base don last year but his left nut is worth more than carroll!

he wants to go london well palm him off to spurs and £20 mil for bale.

The first bit of sense I've read on here in all the Rooney debate. He probably is finished at United and a new start would probably suit him as well as us. But we need to ask at least 40 million for him if we sold him for cash to a prem rival, or at least 35 million if sold abroad as just look at the prices other such players eg Cavani, Falcao, Negredo have/will command. Selling him to Spurs however in part exchange for Bale, or BARCA in part exchange for Fabregas, WOULD make real sense

John, Manchester Red

17 Jul 2013 13:27:09
Chelsea have confirmed Rooney bid but report that there was no player exchange as part of that bid, if later bids do involve Luiz as part of the deal I could see him signing and never playing for us being used as a make weight for Fabregas straight away.

Stew4d

17 Jul 2013 13:23:24
Chelsea just make "OFFICIAL STATEMENT"
saying that they have "BID" for Rooney but deny offering ANY player for TRANSFER or LOAN as part of deal

check it out on there OFFICIAL WEBSITE

probably why United turned it down tbh

Moyes get your butt in gear and leave your crap Everton players where they are thanks

17 Jul 2013 13:14:30
not rumour but a question for all.

Fabregas or Mata?

I vote Mata a year young and was excellent last season.

Fagragas every time. Have you seen our midfield?

Fabregas. Although Mata is just as good and had a better last couple of seasons, Fabregas is more versatile and can play anywhere in midfield. We'd be guetting a Paul Scholes and a Wayne Rooney replacement in 1 player.

Mick

17 Jul 2013 13:06:49
Good afternoon Guys

I'm not sure what to think about the Rooney business. I have to say his recent performances have not been great and I mean over the last 2-3 seasons. His attitude has not been the best and if his mind set is that he doesn't have anything more to prove at United will he give his all for the Red shirt.
I'm also concerned that if he goes to Chelsea he will be out to prove himself and return to the Rooney we all loved.
That said if he wants to go then let him no one player is bigger than the club.
I would be more than happy to get Mata in return but I can't see that happening.

Bazza The Red

17 Jul 2013 12:59:27
silly season in full flight. love it!

17 Jul 2013 12:53:00
I think we all should be patient. And let's hope for the best under Moyes

17 Jul 2013 12:44:32
So chelski tested us with a bid of 10m and Mata or luiz, now why don't we test them and say Mata and luiz no cash for Rooney

Where do you plan on putting Luiz? The only place I'd have him is a new sidekick to Fred the Red. Sideshow Red.

Gar

17 Jul 2013 12:30:44
imagine what a summer this would be

ins:
Fabregas
Mata
Baines
Garay

outs:
Rooney
Anderson
Nani

I would be one very very happy supporter

Garay will be a complete wast of money, I really don't understand the theory behind buying another center back along with the 5 we already have.
May as well throw the money down a drain, it could be spent elsewhere on positions where we need strengthening.

Simmo

So u selling one midfielder when u kno the fact that u r already 2 short of them even if u don't sell any

17 Jul 2013 12:25:55
I imagine that Chelsea will return with an improved offer. So let's imagine a scenario where we get Mata. How would we line up? I would say Kagawa behind RVP with Mata inside left and I think Moyes will give Nani a chance on the right. Having said that, could we have Fabregas behind RVP with Mata left and Kagawa right? Fellaini and Carrick in the middle. Getting Mata in a deal would give us so many more options I feel. If Chelsea come back with £15 million plus Mata we simply have to take it.

Chelsea will not let mata leave, he was there stand out player last season
johndenton

17 Jul 2013 12:12:40
So with the reported 10m + Mata or Luiz bid, who would you guys prefer?
IMO Mata would bring more to the current team with players like Kagawa and possibly Cesc aswell but imo Luiz is slowly becoming one of the worlds best center halves and would be an asset to any team.

Chris

Luiz for me, can fill the hole as a CDM if needed too. Mata is class but I feel Luiz would benefit the squad more. ceertain its bs though

ms85

I bet there's been no 10mil + Mata or Luiz more like Moses

I don't think they have offered one or the other, the press just don't know which one was offered.

I would be happy for 10 million and both!

17 Jul 2013 12:08:16
Chelsea offered 10 million plus Mata or Luiz. Interesting, Both are very good players and would greatly improve our midfield. But what about Ramires?
I think he would be a great player for United. More ability than Fellani, with an engine, and pace about him. He would go long way to solving our midfield problem.
Im not doubting how much Mata and Luiz would influence our team. But both have flaws that our team doesn't need.
Luiz is error prone and can be lacking in concentration at times which means when he makes a mistake the team usually gets punished for it.
Mata is more of an attacking and creative midfielder, he does chip in with goals but is not very good defensively or strong physically. Plus we already have Kagawa in his position.
Just my opinion and assessment of our options if Chelsea are serious about Rooney.
James!

17 Jul 2013 11:59:38
Why have we rejected 10 mill plus mata??? Rooney is ace. I've always bin a huge fan and always will. But sadly every dog has his day. His heart isn't at united anymore. I'd rarther we got mata than a big fee,, because I couldn't see us spending it, but imagine mata, fabregas, kagawa, Fellani,. wow!

U never except the first bid :-)

17 Jul 2013 11:44:54
I cannot believe that we have rejested 10 million pounds plus Juan Mata for Wayne Rooney.
I like Wayne Rooney but this is a no brainer. Mata is class and worth as much is not more than Rooney and is much younger.
Pull you finger out Moyes and put this whole episode to bed and concentrat on getting players in.
Im sick of hearing about Wayne Rooney now!
If we were to get Mata, Fabregas and Baines I would be a happy bunny!

Simmo

I am glad you aren't our negotiator mate, if Rooney + Mata is their first offer, why would we accept it, reject and see what they come back with.

People make me laugh, they moan we bid too low for players and then when somebody bids for ours we say we should accept the first offer.

GDS

Let me explain it to you because you are obviously struggling.
Mata is worth at least 30 million, add to that the 10 million that Chelski would be paying us gives us a total of 40 million.
Do you really think Rooney is worth 40 million?
No club will pay 40 million pounds CASH for Wayne Rooney.
And by the way, they may not come back with another offer, they may say sod it and look elsewhere, there are plenty of other players around for 40 million pounds that are better and younger than Rooney.
Hope this helps??

Simmo

17 Jul 2013 11:40:17
If this about mata plus £10m for rooney is true we'd be crazy not too accept, second best player in the leauge, proven and would surley help with the Fabregas saga (being Spanish), no brainier for me. If we got mata for rooney, Fabregas and splashed on bale we'd be up there bayern/barca, imagine
Mata--kagawa--bale
RVP
WOW!

17 Jul 2013 11:32:13
Surely it can't be true we have turned down 10m plus one of Mata or Luiz?

I don't want Luiz but Mata. wow.

17 Jul 2013 11:31:52
Lots of rumours suggesting that Chelsea have offered Mata or Luiz as part of the deal for Rooney. Personally, I believe that Mata would solve a lot of the problems we have in midfield as he has the ability to play anywhere behind the RVP or across the midfield. Will be interesting to see how this one develops.

17 Jul 2013 11:22:30
So Chelsea have opened the bidding for Rooney with a bid of £10m and the option of either Juan Mata or David Luiz.

Now as a first bid you'd expect this isn't the maximum Chelsea would pay for Rooney. Imagine getting both players at OT, as part of the deal.

Then completing the midfield with Cesc.

a midfield two of Carrick and Luiz behind a attacking three of Kagawa, Cesc and Mata.

anyone got any thoughts on the deal?

That'd be a dream team, but I don't see that happening at all tbir.
RumourNo. 1

17 Jul 2013 11:20:44
Mata for rooney and 10m yes please.
Use the 10m and increase the fabregas
bid to � 40m
Happy daze


BFRO

17 Jul 2013 11:06:21
Sly reporting that Chelsea have offered £10 million and either Mata or Luiz.
Call it £15/20 million and Mata and that's a deal me thinks. Rooney or his agent are using the part of the recent comments to engineer a move out. I think SAF obviously knew something was up and called their bluff.

Supasub

No chance! We have blown any chance of Mata being involved in that deal plus no-one has confirmed he was even offered, it's all speculation and believed to be-esque comments! Rooney will ask to leave and will go at around £28 million to Chelsea.

17 Jul 2013 10:59:52
So apparently we have turned down a bid from Chelsea of 10 million plus either mata or Luiz. I have been on here saying I had hold Rooney would stay but with what's happened in the last 24 hours I really can't see that happening. That being said a 25 year old mata and 10 million versus a 27 year old Rooney who now clearly doesn't want to stay seems a no brainer. Unless we're trying to squeeze more out of them?

Would leave us light int the striking options though as for me welbeck is more winger than striker since he can't hit a barn door.

Mata and lukaku swap for Rooney anyone?

17 Jul 2013 13:40:58
No chance and doubt this Mata offer even happened, I recall Ed002 said on the Madrid page Chelsea offered Essien in a deal for a striker and part of me thinks it was him offered and Luiz/Mata stories is just media-hyperinflation.

17 Jul 2013 10:56:34
The deal will be cash-only now. £26 million I think. See ya Wayne.

17 Jul 2013 10:47:30
We have seen the best of Wayne Rooney. He will never regain his 2009/10 unplayable form. His body has caught up with him. Still a good player and will get plenty of goals, but we have seen the best of him.

Sydney!
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Syd
You have gone on about Rooney being finished for 12 month.
I guess we will see next season but I think you are wrong.
As I have said a few times if he leaves I can only see him going to Chelsea and I think he will do very well there.
Jred
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I never said Rooney was finished, I have said we have seen the best of him and I stand by that. Rooney will NEVER reach the heights of 2009/10 again. He has been declining since 2009/10. Rooney will get goals whether he goes to Chelsea or stays here, but he will never reach the heights of 2009/10 as his body will not allow it.

Sydney!

Off course not syd, you've hardly mentioned him being fat lazy unfit and finished.
we have disagreed over this all season pal, but as I said last summer when discussing clevs and welbeck let's just wait and see.
I'm off to work now but have a look in the archives before Xmas
Jred

17 Jul 2013 10:42:14
So, apparently, Chelsea have made an offer for Rooney which has been rejected. Some saying £28m and some saying £10m plus either Luiz or Mata. Now £28m for a PL side wouldn't be enough, i'd want around £35-40m for him just because of the commercial side and the fact its an English team. If we could get a deal which would include Mata I would be very interested.

I think £15m+ in cash plus Mata would be very good, we would have a very good player from one of our rivals plus could get Baines with the extra cash. I think a 3 behind RVP of Mata on the right, Fabregas in the 10 role and Kagawa on the left would be amazing with Carrick and Fellaini in the CM in a 4231 formation.

Brendan81

17 Jul 2013 10:35:43
So finally we get it rolling, chelsea have offered 10 million plus mata or luiz. I'd take mata and 15 million deal done.

Singh

17 Jul 2013 10:30:28
so according to tv

we rejected a bid from chelsea for rooney
of david luiz or mata and 10mil

imo it must of been luiz, seeing as we've probs got garay to add to our defence. if it was mata I would of bitten their hand off.
but they'll be back with another bid and I see him ending up at the bridge.

TRUMORS

17 Jul 2013 10:27:15
Can somebody give any information regarding Wayne Rooney situation?

Who could replace him, who's available to buy?

Bale, CR7 and Oezil, they would be the best options to replace him, apart from them, I don't see any other available.

One thing is for sure, if he goes to Chelsea, he'll reborn there.

17 Jul 2013 10:11:23
Daily mail reporting that United have rejected a bid of 10 millions pounds + Either Juan Mata or David Luiz for Rooney. Wow!

17 Jul 2013 09:39:03
It looks more and more likely that Rooney will be leaving this summer, the two most likely destinations seem like City or Chelsea.

So where would you prefer to see him go, City or Chelsea?

Personally Shappy I'd rather see him on the bench & us run his contract down. I know this is highly improbable but I just think a fully got Wayne Rooney with either pelagrini or jose telling him he's god could hand them the title & see us lose ground. It's all starting to really concern me. I'd always hoped he would stay & declare his love for our great club with my heart. Then with my head I can't stand his petulance & want him off the wage bill.

If I had to choose one of the two I'd go with chelski. Partly because of my deep hatred for all things City but also because I would love to see Mata in red.

Anywhere he goes he'll be massive.
Mourinho will make him regain his confidence and he can score 20-35 goals.

Chelsea, apparently we rejected a bid of 10m and mata for him, if true I hope chelsea come back in with Mata and Lukaku.

I don't care where he goes as long as we buy who we want to buy and we get say £30m or Mata for him. Someone like Fabregas and Mata would do nicely and added to the likes of Kagawa & RvP we will not need Rooney. Especially the diabolical Wayne Rooney of last season.

Sydney!

Chelsea obviously, could you imagine if THE overhead goal in the derby but the other way round?

J J

Depends which team you want to win the PL title

king of desert

Chelsea in a swap for mata ;-)

Personally I would prefer him to go to Chelsea. Having said that, I'm not bothered because I think he is past it like Torres is. Some times players just don't regain that spark they once had. If we could get 30 million from Chelsea for him i'd drive him there myself. Fabregas, Fellaini, Baines and Garay would be a good summer with Rooneycand Evrs going. I also expect we will see a new Nani, new manager new start. It faith is invested in him then the sky is the limit. Could still do with a Bale or Ronaldo though.

17 Jul 2013 08:14:19
For me the Rooney situation is quite simple, and it's about money. Rooney's contract is nearing it's end. He and his agent want a contract for him at the same rate, or a higher rate, than he's currently earning. United don't want to pay it. Everything else is posturing around this. Rooney and Stretford both know that, as he gets older, his chance to command a big wage decreases. So leaving this summer makes most sense for him.

So, what everybody needs to ask is - is Rooney worth the highest wage at the club? For me, the answer is a resounding no. He is fading as a player and won't regain the quality of his early 20s. He's a long way from being a spent force, but he hasn't looked after himself and it's beginning to show on a permanent basis. If he won't accept a lower wage, then he has to go. Whoever buys him won't be getting the player they think they are, despite Stretford and Rooney working on the media to big him up over the last 2 to 3 months.

Darklard, if we give Rooney what him and his agent want, then he will sign a new deal. It is no different from 2010 when he wanted a certain amount and got it. This time round I am not sure the club want him. I think the only way he will stay is if we miss out on all of our targets and we are forced to give in to his demands.

Sydney!

I think it is more about his ego than money?

We should of put a vague statement out weeks ago saying SAF and Rooney had a row and there was a misunderstanding. Rooney does not want to leave etc etc. pampered to his ego and he would of played ball and put out his own statement.

Instead, we have this right royal mess which is doing our image no good whatsoever
Pete W.

17 Jul 2013 05:34:17
Crap. psg have entered for febregas. So be ready to have another lucas situation when we were thrown out at last moment. I don't understand why these clubs don't find there own targets? We make them ready to move. set a price and some sugardaddy come and pay 2m more in transfer. 2m more in agent fees and double in salary.
This is getting pathetic every summer.

Psg want febregas. barca want thiago silva.
So it makes thing difficult for us

I think Cesc is more in the RVP mould and I don't think big money offers from clubs in less attractive leagues would turn his head. If he is moving it is the thought of game time, history of the club and trophies that will attract him.

Thiago silva is simply not leaving PSG. If anything then fact Barcelona want thiago silva is a downfall for PSG in this negotiation because Barcelona will only accept an offer including thiago silva from them.

I think Fabregas would choose England over France. He has played here before and knows what it's about. I don't think he is a money mercenary like some. He wants competitive and regular first team football.

17 Jul 2013 03:17:40
We don't need any Signing
#We Trust in Moyes!

Patilaya chaturvedi

Possibly the most non sensical thing I've ever read.

Wow that is some strong glue!

17 Jul 2013 01:27:49
If we sell Wayne Rooney to Chelsea, he will fire them to the Premier League title. I have no doubt about that I'm afraid. Mourinho will put an arm round him, tell him how great he is, make him feel like a million dollars and get him back to the Wayne Rooney that WE, United fans, all know and love.

I just can't stand the thought of that.

What comes around, goes around.

And where will we find a proper replacement? that's what I am most worried about. Maybe 20m + Rooney for Bale?. they need a striker, we need a bale type player.

GRD

It's ok, Rooney might want go to Chelsea but his hair wants to go to Arsenal.

Im not too sure about that and believe we have seen the best of Rooney. For whatever reason (diet/age/smoking)Rooney has lost what little pace he had and his first touch isn't the best either. For the last few seasons I have thought rooney can't even beat a marker. Yes he will still score the odd wonder goal but goalie that enough?

If he goes to Chelsea I will not boo I will also put him in my dream team

Ross

I wouldn't even contenplaint selling Rooney to Chelski unless Juan Mata was coming the opposite way.

Simmo

17 Jul 2013 00:12:58
This Rooney saga has gone on too long. The club should sell him or give him a new contract, NO waiting for his contract to run down BS.

Mike Red

Rooney no longer wants to be at Manchester United if he did want to stay he would be tweeting that fact, strange that a man who loves a tweet has come out and said nothing.
Also DM comes out one week and says that he can see Rooney breaking Bobby Charltons record then the next week states that no one is bigger than the club.
Could it be that there was row of some sort or other, resulting in fat boy being sent home under the guise of an injury?
He seems to have issues maybe the new hair folicles are conflicting with some part of his brain. SAF wouldn't have went public on him if something major wasn't said, to date it's UTD doing all the talking.
Surely to god he's not that hard up that he's afraid to loose a few quid if he puts in a tranfer request.
So it's up to Wayne himself to get this mess sorted either he wants to stay or go, I sincerely hope that he does it soon, then we can all concentrate on looking forwarding to defending our title, with new additions that will arrive in the next couple of weeks.

Wayne is probably not the brightest and will be relying on advice. Possibly, that advice is not as great as it could be?

17 Jul 2013 00:00:01
Its disappointing to see how a single season have changed things between utd and rooney. A season before last season he was our main man scroing goals he was face of utd and who can forget that goal against city. At the begining of last season many poster out here objectd the signing of rvp as that wil stagnant the developmnt of hernandez and welbeck and wanted to invest money in midfielder and others were talkng about us having the best strike force wid rvp and rooney. Now a season later everythng has changed many of us want him out. But for watever he has done for our club in past year I would love 2 see rooney getting fit and firing in all cylinders for utd. But I guess its time we should sell him and move on but I wil always remmember him for what he has done for our club and all those glory days.


Sid {Ed007's Note - Joni Mitchell never lies......}