Manchester United Banter Archive June 17 2013

17 Jun 2013 21:37:13
Dylan

Are you for real? Of course we need some serious pruning. Our midfield is weak and our wingers were poor last season. If you really think we don't need some serious investment then you have been watching a different team to me. There were some great performances last year and some of the youngsters made real progress but across the middle, we were often found wanting.

AJH
A weak midfield and poor wingers!
Champions of England beaten buy a last minute goal season before by a club that had to invest Millions
Please answer this
What serious pruning do our competitors need?
Dylan {Ed004's Note - Well Chelsea need to become more consistent no doubt this will happen with Mourinho who has already added to his 'squad' with De Buryne, Schurrle and Lukaku and he will add to the first team ie Cavani. Man City will have Kompany, Yaya and Aguero all fit for the coming season and along with a new manager who has an idea of how to play football along with not as many egos (Dzeko, Tevez and Balottelli) will be much better. But you go ahead in the world were Utd only need 1 signing and everything will be ok. Look at Bayern widely regarded as the best team in the world yet they're signing top players still Gotze, Lewandowski etc}

I do get the feeling Dylan just argues for the sake of it quite a lot.
Chris the REDman

Why you all so convinced about others improving and not having injuries to key players yet its doom and gloom when it's Utd
Bayern are very strong can't deny that but you don't realise how close we are to them again with TWO top signings one of Bale/Ronaldo and Thiago to replace Scholes that would be enough.
Desperate clubs do serious pruning
The best clubs are always aiming for improvement the impact Cantona had is proof he raised everyone around him and that's what we need not to follow Liverpools example buying good but not top class
Dylan

Chris redman
I don't argue I just respect where we are in world football the facts don't lie and once again we will be the team to beat both domestically and in Europe.
Sir Alex retired claiming the squad is set up to challenge with the addition of one or two depending on availability.
Is he for real!
Dylan

I think it's somewhere in the middle TBH, we need at least 2 good improvements to the 1st team plus a few fringe/youth players.

Dylan - you say we don't need major 'pruning' then you suggest we buy Bale/Ronaldo who would cost £60-80m plus another player (Thiago). Well if you split up the Ronaldo/Bale money into 2 to 3 players I think you and AJH are actually talking along similar lines in terms of investment?

Also, Ronaldo/Bale are unrealistic targets IMO so I think we'd have to look for 'lesser' players which would mean we could spread the money wider.

17 Jun 2013 23:53:52
Dylan by my count we need 8 players in over the next two seasons to replace the ones not good enough or getting old and we can't get it all through youth. We have a lot of young potential or experienced oldies but not enough in between. We need a new keeper to replace Lindegaard (not good enough) a new left back to replace Evra (getting on) a centre back to replace either Rio or Vidic (both getting on and have injury issues) two central midfielders to replace Scholes, Fletcher and Anderson (retired, sick and not good enough respectively) a right winger to replace Nani (not good enough) a left winger to replace Young (hasn't performed) and a striker to replace Rooney. All those players i've mentioned will be gone by next summer and need to be replaced, that's a lot of cash. MrE

I think MrE has said it absolutely correctly. The fact is, we do have a lot of players who are not quite top level, might have been cheap options but to be honest, they have became a liability. Anderson, young, nani, bebe, a lot of money was spent on the so called 'potential' and just on those four, we have wasted over £55m.
So in my opinion, we need serious pruning, but we've got to buy proven top quality to improve the first team.
Nomidfield

Honey Badger
Major investment in 2 players yes
A massive clear out and no better replacements No.
Dylan

Mre
Sir Alex the most successful manager in our time planned this retirement making sure that the squad would have the right mix of youth and experience.
Now he's a tried and tested football manager (and not a bad one)
Where you are a fantasy football manager!
We have lots of youth who given a chance and with your PATIENCE may just break through.
Our history shows this
Dylan

Totally Agree, frightening isn't it?
RedSince68

18 Jun 2013 13:16:58
Dylan i've been a fan since Big Ron so I don't need the lecture thanks. The fact remains that the youth are two to three years away and the closest is Michael Keane. The fact also remains that certain players are simply not upto scratch and need upgrading. If we don't do it and don't bring in the right players we become Liverpool. We can't keep treading water hoping that Nani becomes consistent, or Anderson sheds three stone and stops getting injured. City and Chelsea will be better this season and we can't stand still and let them close the gap. I don't see how what I said was football manages or fantasy football. I simply highlighted the weak points in the squad, weak points that Ferguson failed to address. I don't think 8 players out for 8 players in over the next two summers is fantasy football by any means. Its natural evolution and most fans recognise that. I'd far rather buy three good players for sixty to eighty million than buy one great player like Ronaldo now that's fantasy football. MrE

MrE
So you've already written off Powell Henriquez Will Keane Januzaj who between them in the next12 months will be chomping at the bit to be given a carling cup run out instead your suggesting a mass clear out and the purchase of 8 players, great development programme you have!
We'd end up like City & Chealsea with a group of squad players who are well p----- off sitting on a bench and not being at the club for the love of it.
Do you not realise they have caused their own problems with a lack of team spirit which we have in abundance or is it you haven't played at a club/team and understood the importance of it
Dylan

18 Jun 2013 18:01:33
Dylan where did I write anyone off? I clearly said that the youth are two to three years away which they are. They all need loaning out and that's what will happen over the next two seasons. In the mean time we need to replace certain players. We can't replace Nani with Januzaj we need to bring someone in. Its commonsense. I understand your young but you really don't seem to understand how football works. Saying that we have 8 players in the squad who will need replacing over the next two seasons due old age, injury issues or simply not being good enough is hardly a mass clear out. The young players that are good enough will step up to the squad as squad players but your talking nonsense if you think that we don't need to buy to replace flops like Anderson or Nani. MrE

Have we not bought Zaha the word overlooked more appropriate
Love your suggestion of me not understanding how football works!
Why buy when in 12/18 mths Powell januzaj henriquez will Keane may be ready their development will have been planned by the coaching staff barring injuries so how much money do you want to blow and on who?
Dylan

17 Jun 2013 21:23:02
Another player. gone
Eriksen to Dortmumd for 15 million

Gone? We haven't even been linked to him. Is it 2012 again?

No name has a point. We are in danger of losing Andy Carroll to West Ham if we don't act fast

17 Jun 2013 19:32:35
John cofie to sign for port vale

Iknowwelbz!

17 Jun 2013 17:23:15
17 Jun 2013 15:14:19
With lewandoski now staying at BVB for another season does this mean there is a possibility of us now been able to try from gundogan or bender

19JackC94"""
dear mr 19jackc94
ngiak is very curious.
he would like to know which hat you got those names out of and why suggest them other than their fancy names?
cleverley is tons better than both
and ngiak's most hated player carrick is head and shoulders above them
kagawa looks like a world beater compared to them
and ngiak also believes Anderson does way more in a game than them
and we have very good youngsters coming through
well by luck or by fortitude
moyes has a knack of creating great youngsters
ngiak rather see this kinda legacy started than buying 8 random fancy unproven players in the epl
gan

I think you haven't been watching football whilst you've been in hibernation if you can honestly say that Cleverly is better than Gundogan and Bender.
I would take Gundogan and Bender in a heartbeat over any of our current midfield apart from Kagawa.

Ure strange :-)
Chris the REDman

I'm a fan of your posts, gan, but I can't agree on this one. I think Gundogan particularly would be a great addition and would improve us from day one. Have you watched much of him?

Cleverly is in same class as gibson sell him to everton

If you think all they are is fancy names then you really need to pay more attention. These are to top midfeidlers, bender a dm who can break up play and gundogan a b2b whom seems to be able to get the ball right to the danger men. They are head and shoulders above whom we have in there positions and kagawa is a creative /attacking mid hence plays higher than they do.

On a side note I really don't get your posts or the point in them, can we not just have some normal structured ones some time please

19JackC94

Both gundogen and bender are very good playerz who both run their socks of every game I've seen them in, put them in our midfield and we would be a far far more dangerous team, hardworking great players, I really don't believe you couldve watched them much mate, no offence but that's only. my opinion.

There isn't one player in our current squad that you could say are the best in the world in their positions, so pack in playing fantasy football and look forward to seeing the likes of Cleverley Jones Wellbeck Jones Smalling Powell Kagawa Hernandez Rafael etc develop into top quality champions.
Sound like spoilt kids in a sweet shop!
Dylan {Ed004's Note - I reckon Vidic in form and RVP are up but look at Barcelona people would claim Alba, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets and Messi are best in their positions but look what Bayern did to them it is a team sport}

I think what Gan means is that both are unproven in the EPL so they may be failures.

however, Gundogan looks like a monster and Cleverley looks more like a Mouse.

The Moon.

Yes Gan you are off form last few days for me, you have been back too long and gone stale after a good initial start. somebody p-p-p-p-p-pick up the penguin!
I would sya though my thoughts with these Dortmund players is they are all good players but I do think they are getting a bit over rated as Dortmund is a real team rather than individuals and so far Sahin has failed abroad, Kagawa has stuttered (one season settling in and injuries obviously far too early to judge his success). I would say I think both players mentioned are not AS good as they are cracked up to be for me. they are good players though, but I wouldn't see them being world beaters at Europes elite clubs, I think Kagawa, Gotze and Lewandowski have been the real stand out players for Dortmund the last 3 years and maybe none of them will still be there next season, but the team will still do well as its the team and a fantastic manager as much as individual players
Invisible STuey

Ed004
That's my point, Cleverley as come along way in the last 2 seasons along with Wellbeck and Rafael and by their own admission are seeking to push on this season.
Having so called Marque signings doesn't guarantee anything look at City and Chealsea and most people on here have no patience and panic every close season thinking were missing out when you don't realise how good our options are.
2 top quality signings with Zaha and we will be sorted.
Dylan {Ed004's Note - But my point is Bayern don't just have a quality young team they continue to add to it and make marquee signings such as Javier Martinez. We blantantly need added quality to the team}

Gundogan would be ideal signing for midfield this summer.

I enjoy Gan's recording of Ngaik's ramblings, great to see you both back!

Clearly you have missed a bit of football recently, Gundogan is looking like an excellent player.

I would rather have Gundogan and Draxler than Alcantara and Isco, not convinced on Southern Europeans in the EPL.

Ed004
Does RVP not count?
How many do you believe we need?
Personally if we can sign 1 top midfielder who can have the same impact RvP had then our current midfield players will respond
Dylan {Ed004's Note - Well our wingers are non existent so we either need 2 world class signings for cm and for a wing or 4-5 top signings such as a cb, lb, cm, winger and possibly another cm}

Ed004
Are you for real?
So according to you a team that's been the most consistent side in England for the last 3/5 seasons is in need of such a massive overhaul.
Tell me what do the rest need to do to keep up.
City have spent over £500m and won F--- all last season
Likewise Real Madrid so which model do you suggest we follow?
What's Dortmund s formula it certainly ain't yours!
Dylan {Ed004's Note - I honestly feel we over achieved and it was through Ferguson's management and the team being spurred on from losing the league on the last day of the season that has won us the league. But you can't argue that we have struggled at times against top teams especially in Europe. Look at our defense they are all injury prone except Evans. We are obviously looking at a centre back with experience to come in and ensure Moyes doesn't have to resort to playing Carrick or even Rooney etc in defense. I think the majority on here would agree that left back is a pressing concern as Evra is a massive liability at left back. Now onto our midfield it is no secret that it is very weak compared to the rest in Europe. We have Scholes retiring, a 40 year old who is starting to slow up, cleverly who goes missing in the big games, Anderson who is consistently injured and Fletcher who is unlikely to return to the player he once was. Now answer me this surely we need a minimum of two midfielders to help Carrcik drag our midfield along for another season. Also are you happy with our wingers this season? They have a total of 2 goals and 10 assist (Young, Nani and Valencia) our full backs have better offensive stats}

Ed004
Sorry I can't continue on this subject with you
A last minute goal spurred us on, Fergies management had an effect but you don't win the EPL with a canter with a poor midfield non existent wingers and a dodgy left back!
We had Real Madrid sorted only for a bad decision who knows what we could have achieved
Your forgetting JohnathonnGreening picked up a Champs league medal some depth and top quality in that squad.
And that last comment proves my point it s what sets us apart we have an unbelievable team spirit at Utd it cannot be bought it bonds the very best and the squad members and together they go that extra mile so if you want to destroy this in one transfer window then more fool you.
Maybe your right and I'm wrong but if Moyes follows your plan expect a shift in power.
Dylan

Ed004

Well explained, I don't understand how people cannot see these issues.

Red Man

Spot on Ed004. We won the title last year because we were average but other good teams went backwards at key times. Our performances in Europe over the last two years illustrate where the team needs to be strengthened.

Paolo
Were Doomed!
Dylan

Ed004

Completely agree. There were flashes of brilliance last season, but there were also spells where we failed to force ourselves on even average opponents.

I don't think it's all doom and gloom. De Gea and Rafael will probably be the best players in Europe in their respective positions in the next year or two. Van Persie, we know, is excellent. Hernandez is showing signs of coming through now. Welbeck, I still think, has a lot of potential. Kagawa will be a very good player for us. Jones and Evans still have big potential. And Carrick is excellent. Even Valencia was looking like he might be turning the corner toward the end of the season.

I prefer (right now) to look at it from a glass half-full perspective. we did really well last season in England, pushed Madrid all the way in Europe - and all that with lots of room for improvement in the squad. I also think Moyes will be braver playing some of the young players than Fergie was, which could help balance out the inevitable loss of drive / fear / genius.

It is an important summer though. The midfield needs urgent strengthening - I think the wide areas can probably survive another season - and we need to sort left back out. Strootman / Alcantara / Baines would go a long way toward this (and I think Zaha will have more impact next season than many expect him to), but I would like to see 1 midfielder come in who is "ready to go" (Fabregas would be great). {Ed004's Note - I agree with everything you said but I think our most likely summer signings are Garay, Baines (most unlikely to happen), Strootman, Alcantara and Di Maria/Gaitan and I think Mendy would be a good free signing. It's weird the ideal player for our midfield this season left last year but I'd never take him back not even if he came back grovelling}

Dylan - There's a saying; If you're not moving forward, you're moving backwards.

TK-Red

Good post, DarkLard08 I'd agree with most of that. I also agree with most of Ed004's reply, it seems Garay is more likely than Baines (unfortunately IMO) but I'm just hoping we sort out our CM issues above all else.

Totally agree with ed004's assessment. we have a decent overall squad but our first team is not as good as other clubs and certainly nowhere near as good as it used to be at utd.

remember the midfield of Beckham, Keane, scholes, giggs? a forward line from Cole, sheringham, Yorke and oli?

our first choice midfield is nowhere near as good - young, Carrick, cleverley and Valencia? do me a favour!

then we end up playing our best midfielder in defense because of injuries. we have one striker who smokes and is overweight and another who can't score.

and Dylan thinks this is all fine and we don't need much change. I'm left wondering how we've managed to acquire such a crap first team and how we managed to win anything with it last year.

I'm also fed up with the football we play which has become very boring and predictable.

if its left as it is we'll be lucky to finish 4th.

Andrew b

17 Jun 2013 14:37:16
I went to OT on Saturday to buy my daughter a replica kit (easy Kloot) I do this not only out of tradition but because as I live in Nth Yorkshire I like the fact that when she goes to training she really rams the fact that she supports United down the other kids throats, most of the kids support L'pool, Arsenal, Chelsea and most recently C'teh oh yeah and the odd Leeds fan thrown in, (you know the one that gets locked in their room and made to watch video's of past glory, sorry make that A video) so its not easy for her but she sticks to her guns and let's them have it.

Anyway, we turned up at OT and Scarlett (it's subtle folks I know) was like wow dad who's that statue etc etc as any kid does when they visit OT. As it wasn't as busy I was able to show her some of the free stuff that you can't on match day. It was brill.

Here comes the poor bit, £92 for a replica strip with her name, number 20 and premier league badges on, yes that's right £92, I don't normally buy replica tops as a rule and I might be a little out of touch with prices, but £92. wow. Add to that another Shirt for my son £62 with the name and number plus the cost of travelling and I am shltting it for the day when they both start wanting to frequent the games (both showing a real interest now) because I tell you what folks, it's going to be tough saying no to them, how could i.

Sorry, that was from me. Dishforth Red.

It's a joke m8 I went to get my son the baby kit, the shirt wasnt even close to looking like the actuall shirt it is literally a red t-shirt with a stick on badge and no collar. for £30!

Is your daughters name Elli-George-Charlton-Cantona-Robson-Edwards-Law-Ruud-Rooney- Smith or something and charged per letter? My that is ridiculous, I haven't owned a shirt for years but I had no idea they were that high.
Invisible STuey

I don't really have any sympathy for you. until people have the good sense to tell them to shove their £92 overpriced kits where the sun don't shine, they'll just keep jacking up the price and those people who keep buying them will be bigger and bigger mugs.

explain to your kids that you can't taken them to the game because the club is trying to rip you off with extortionate ticket prices and you refuse to be a victim of their racket. you could also tell them it doesn't have to be this way but English clubs don't really care about their fans, they just want their money.

Andrew b

The club would sell a lot more if they were more reasonably priced. I do not own one and I don't have kids so I need not buy any, however I do sympathize with those who buy them.

For info, the shirt was £40 + £15 for name and number + £7 for Premier league Badges. £20 for the shorts, £10 for the socks.
Only £59. 999. 908 left for Ronaldo, Glazers!

Andrew, so what you are saying is, break my kids heart and hope that everyone else follows suit! Not going to happen my friend. If I lived back in Manchester, I would be taking them to the game, the Grandparents would still be buying the kit for them so it would be double bubble. Question; have you stopped going because you are being ripped off?
Also explaining to kids aged below 10 is not as easy as you make it sound.
The post wasn't designed to make people sympathise with me, it was just the shock for me to find out first hand how much more expensive the replica kits have become.

Anyone who's got kids will realize that you have to treat them every now and then. United is a passion you have for the rest of your life, so a shirt is not like a toy they grow out of. AndrewB it is very difficult to say no to your children. And also you'll be waiting a long time if you think united or any of the other clubs are going to change.
Dishforth red, buy them the shirts, let them wear them with honour and be long life Man United fans.
Nomidfield

I'm going to guess that Andrew has never been to a game and doesn't have kids.

In terms of going to the games, just try and get to Away games mate, especially against lower EPL clubs the tickets are a little bit cheaper.

Also, Kit prices are mental, especially when as previously mentioned they have stuck on badges for the infant kits. it is mental.

personally, I would try and buy them cheaper classic kits from the 90's. maybe they would be interested in that?

The Moon.

I have two boys, one 7 and one just 4, got their new kits yesterday, absolute rip off, the youngest kit is nothing like the actual kit, it has a v neck and iron on badge, but they both train with chaddy fc and need a kit to play in, can't see it getting betyer anytime soon, but sports direct do have them at 30% off if that helpd

Tickets have gone up by a high percentage except for last season and the new one, but my season ticket works out at £37 per game for a fantastic view, to me that is cheap compare to some prem clubs.
johndenton

GDS and dish forth red.

I've watched utd at OT on many occasions, but I refuse to go anymore because the whole experience is so expensive. I just can't enjoy myself when I know I'm being ripped off.

the situation will continue to get worse as long as people continue to pay whatever the club asks for. if the stadia were half empty and they didn't sell many kits, then they'd have to reduce prices.

in a way you are doing your kids a disservice because you are telling them that these rip off prices are acceptable. you'd be better making the club look like the bad guy in their eyes for making it prohibitive for many ordinary people to go to matches.

you could tell your kids that it doesn't have to be this way because in Germany they have very fairly priced tickets but Manchester United doesn't care about its fans, it just wants to grab as much money as it can.

Andrew b

LOL are you actually telling people they are raising their kids wrong on a football banter website?

No name

I'm not telling people how to raise their kids, but people have raised the serious issue of feeling pressured to pay silly prices for club merchanise.

I understand people don't want to let their kids down but by not paying inflated prices its not them that are letting their kids down, it's the club for trying to take the michael in the first place.

Just to put some of the prices into perspective. Minimum wage is £6. 31 an hour. The cheapest season ticket works out at a little under £40 a game. So to afford a match ticket a person on minimum wage would have to work for nearly a whole day and for two whole days to buy one of their kids a replica kit.

That can't be right, surely? Hardly the peoples' game is it?

The clubs are commercial enterprises and as such only understand the bottom line. If people decide their products are too expensive and stop buying them then they will have to reduce their prices. Simple economics! lol!

Everyone has the choice of rejecting the club's offers instead of just blindly accepting them. All I'm suggesting is more people should say no thanks because it's too expensive. Otherwise, prices will just continue to rise. At what point do you draw the line and say enough is enough?

Andrew B

17 Jun 2013 13:47:51
Cannot remember if I asked this ages ago ed, apologies if I did! But is there any sustained interest in Victor Fischer or Bruma? It does seem to me that a lot of teams are interested in a number of our players, whilst we have a lot of interest in their players, e. g. Bebe - Bruma, Ronaldo/Modric/Di Maria - Nani/Hernandez, van Ginkel - Buttner, Garay/Gaitan - Fabio. Could partial swap deals be done? {Ed002's Note - Interest remains in Fischer but nothing will happen. Exchanges are possible but unlikely.}

Read somewhere today Bruma has sacked his agent Zivani or whatever he is called as he was unhappy with negotiations and he wants to stay at Lisbon
Invisible STuey

Fresh

With all due respect, which team would trade Van Ginkel for Buttner or Bruma for Bebe. We have a lot of dead wood with very little interest out there.

We have had Nani in the shop window for 2 years and the best we can get is a turkish club offering 5 million pounds.

Shahram

Buttner in my opinion is a good player. And it would not be a straight swap, it would be a sweetner in the deal, that is all.

Fresh Buttner is an average player at best and no team will trade off a player of great potential for an average player and cash. They can buy average players within their own domestic market.

It is like saying we will trade Jones for joe average and some cash.

Shahram

Shahram, Buttner was bought from Van Ginkel's current club. He was a good very player for them. He is still young, homesick and I wouldn't be surprised to see PSV interested if Willems and Pieters are sold this summer. That being said player swaps are rare, but I wouldn't be surprised to see PSV interested in Buttner if he became available. He is still on a low salary.

Sydney!

17 Jun 2013 12:47:54
Borussia Dortmund's general manager Hans-Joachim Watzke now insists Robert Lewandowski will not leave this summer. "Robert will definitely be playing for Borussia Dortmund next season, " he said. "We need this security to be able to plan (for the season). "

Ronaldo was never going to madrid but that happened don't believe everthing you see

I mean read

17 Jun 2013 11:58:19
Just though I would try to put all the rumours that we have had recently into one post!

Goalkeeper wise, only Luke Simpson has been linked.

Defence wise we have had Garay, Baines, Shaw.

Midfielders: Thiago, Fabregas, Modric, Mendy, Strootman, van Ginkel, Marchisio.

Forwards/Wingers: Lewandowski, Gaitan, Di Maria, Ronaldo, Bale, Jovetic, Draxler and Vucinic.

Thought that would be useful for a few people, in particular the no one regulars! Also shows where in particular we seem to be looking to strengthen! Midfield and forward line being of particular note.

I think out of all of them we will sign 1 defender (Garay), possibly 3 midfielders as Mendy would be free (Thiago, Strootman and Mendy) and one forward (Gaitan or Di Maria) which would be a good summer in my opinion.

Fellaini? Apparently he lives in Manchester and doesn't want to relocate. Arsenal haven't met his wage demands yet after apparently making a bid but not triggering the his apparent clause. Not saying this is good news but news all the same.

Supasub

What I think we needs is Baines, Modric, Strootman, Di Maria, poss Lew

What I think we will get is Garay, Thiago, Strootman, Gaitan (if Rooney is sold)

Welsh Red

Sorry, forgot about Fellaini! As for signings, I imagine there will be 4 first teamers, perhaps 5. And then a host of youth.

Luke Simpson, Baines, Garay, Thiago & Strootman is what seems likely to me. However I would love one of Modric, Fabregas, Lewandowski, Ronaldo or Bale.

Why get Simpson when we have Amos Johnstone Sutherland and gollini to say the least

As for signings I think Garay (if vidic leaves) strootman Thiago a winger and as much as I don't want it Baines but only if two lbs leave

19JackC94

Maybe we will get 2 new signings and maybe someone young with potential who we can loan out ;think we must have 30m tied up on players loaned out last season

17 Jun 2013 19:24:02
If we got Thiago and strootman and a winger I would be very happy! I do rate Thiago better than fabregas! Strootman will be in time out new keano! Happy days

17 Jun 2013 11:29:56
Just A quick question for eveyone here. The Ronaldo rumour is pretty strong and as much as I would love to see him back, I think I would probably prefer to spend 80 million over 3 or 4 upcoming quality players such as Strootman, Garay, Thiago Ect rather than blowing it all on one.

What do you think Hit believe for Ronaldo And Unbelievable For a spread

Luke

17 Jun 2013 11:06:18
Just been thinking and it looks like we're not going to get lewi because he wants his 'dream' move to bayern. Now it got me thinking about if rooney left who else we could get and I think there's a lack of real world class strikers at the moment, when RVP is no longer at his level in 2 or so years, the likes of Falcao, cavani, Suarez, any a lot more will almost be 30, which then got me thinking about younger players and the best of the lot is lukaku. I'm a big fan and would love him here at united, bit of a pointless post but just got thinking!
Thanks:-)

Victor Fischer
LP

Higuain?

REDFAITH

There is a few good young strikers ( below 24 )out there which will improve within the next couple of years.

Neymar
El Sharaarwy (spelling)
Lewandowski
Benteke
Lukaku
Balotelli
Aubemyang
Aguero
Benzema ( unsure of his age)
I'm sure there's plenty more that I have missed.


Even possibly the young strikers we have;
Welbeck
Hernandez
Henriquez

On top of that Messi is only nearing the age where the majority of players peak so he will be around for a while as well.

Welbeck is not a striker since he does not score goals

AvidDevil out of list you shown and the ones which will never happen eg. Neymar, balltelli, I'd choose lukaku, and I'm talking about proper world class strikers right now, messi, Ronaldo, Falcao, cavani, aguero and Suarez only spring to mind

I wouldn't rule us out for Lewandowski 100% yet and I think he is world class now.

Also Aubemyang could be a good future player.

To the no-name who says Welbeck isn't a striker as he doesn't score goals - Players go through dry spells every now and again - Torres is still a striker.

More important is how we are going to play next season. 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 seems most likely

We need to stop relying on wingers and full backs providing the crosses and bolster the midfield as well.

I would buy Cabaye off Newcastle and Wanyama from Celtic as well as a ball carrying midfielder e. g. Fellaini. With extra cash also buy a genuine left winger to replace Nani and Young. Isco seems to be the best available.

17 Jun 2013 10:16:48
now it looks like lewandowski doesn't want to come, higuain would be a good replacement.

No thanks

17 Jun 2013 10:06:47
Hi Ed's what do you think the chances are of signing both Strootman and van Ginkel? {Ed002's Note - I am not going to be able to quantify such things.}

Van Ginkel will go to Chelsea due to the close connections between the 2 clubs

17 Jun 2013 09:27:03
I personally think if we sign Ronaldo, he can take some pressure off Moyes and will also help him to go through the initial stage smoothly.

17 Jun 2013 08:45:41
Hi Eds, was just wondering, Along with Zaha and Varela, and hopefully Strootman and Garay soon, do you see United signing anyone else?
Looking at the names above one would think its a good summer in terms of transfers. So do you think United will sign anymore after that and if so any ideas?
Thanks in advance Eds
James {Ed002's Note - Probably.}

17 Jun 2013 08:53:00
With the recent interest in Garay, an Argentine CB, Does that mean that Jnes is likely to play next season more so in CM? as if we do get Garay, we would be stocked with CB's. Ferdinand, Vidic, Evans, Smalling, Wooton and M. Keane from the youth and Garay. Leaving Jones unlikely to get game time ahead of a fit Ferdinand, Vidic, Garay and Evans.
Any of you guys think the same?
James

Might be. But all our center backs are prone to injury. Quite a lot of games last season, we were down to two fit CB's. Wootton will not make the grade. And I personally don't rate smalling. Evans, Rio, Jones and vidic are the main ones, and just look how often they've been injured.
Nomidfield

And evens gets caught out off position too often not really united standard

17 Jun 2013 03:22:03
One of the interesting aspects of the Ronaldo saga is the rumor that he may play out his final two seasons and then get a huge signing bonus from a team that doesn't have to pay a transfer fee. This brings up a point I've wanted to mention for a while as a United supporter from America. In American sports, there are no transfers. Players aren't bought by one team from another but are traded for, either with players or draft picks (I know there's no draft). Players usually have no voice in these trades (unless they negotiated a no-trade clause in their contract) and can be sent anywhere by the team that owns their contract. In football players need to approve transfers and player exchanges are rare. In American sports many if not most players play out their contract and then become free agents, able to choose the team they'd like to play for or to get the most money possible out of the market. The vast majority of money spent is on salary, not on acquisition fees, which ends up in the players pocket. Can u imagine being a footballer who's been transferred for tens of millions but doesn't ever earn that much. just an odd system. My point with all of this is that Ronaldo would be a genius (financially speaking) if he played out his contract and then demanded a transfer size fee as his signing bonus. I also think this can, and should, start a trend in which players don't extend their contracts automatically and gain the ability to become free agents (Bosman). They could demand far more in salary than if they had to be purchased. I know agents get a big payday for negotiating a transfer (idk why) and would be hesitant to change the system, but in American each league sets a % cap on agent fees and the agent will take home a set % of the athlete's overall income, which should offset the lost transfer fees. I'm not saying one way it better or worse necessarily, but i'm just surprised that the european agents and players haven't looked at the American pro sports leagues and realized that the players will be better off playing out each contract they sign and then being able to demand more for the next contract without a transfer fee needed. Interested in your thoughts, whether you're knowledgable about American sports leagues or not. thx

17 Jun 2013 10:30:05
It i'd a risky strategy though. What if a month before his contract is up he has a serious injury that will keep him out for over a year? Who would sign him and pay for his expensive treatment when there's no garentee that he will be the same player after his recovery.

Player contracts were brought in not only to protect the club but to protect the players also. But at the same time things need to change to bring the money under control within football. If Ronaldo does run his contract down and then gets a large signing on fee and a huge wage to boot then it will just be a mockery.

If it was upto me I would cap players wages, not individually as that's illegal due european laws.

What I think would be best would be to put a cap on the squads wages. Maybe say that a club cannot have a sqaud wage bill that exceeds 50% of the clubs turnover. This will protect clubs from over paying players and getting into financal problems as we have seen with clubs such as Portsmouth.

Then to control the transfer fees i'd state that a players "transfer fee" is equal to that players pay over the length of time that they have left on their contract. So if a player is being paid 5m a year and has three years left on his contract then his fee would be 15m. If he was being paid 3m a year and had four years left on his contract then his fee would be 12m.

That I think would bring the wages and the transfer fees under control. But because its a sensible idea it'll never be implemented. Ah well.

I think that would be a great idea Shappy.

My only concerns would be that similar to the FFP regualtions this will create a greater gulf between the top clubs and everyone else.

In world football you have Manchester United, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Juventus, Liverpool who are big commercially attractive clubs. These clubs generally have bigger stadims than the other clubs in the respective leagues, better merchandising appeal and a global, iconic brand - all of which result in increased revenue.

Smaller clubs will therefore have less money to compete with the established and any FFP rules will prevent the sugar daddy approach which whilst is bad for football, has broken up the established order somewhat. {Ed002's Note - I don't think you understand the FFP rules at all.}

I think there needs to be a revamp to the whole system. I agree with the: Club Wages must be less than Turnover idea, but I think there needs to be a cap on player wages, agent fees and transfer fee. I think a maximum of £80m transfer fee to start with would work. Then, lower that to £60m in a few years and then again to £50m in a few more years. Also I think a maximum agents fee of 2% of transfer fee would work well, and I think more transfers would occur, especially with some clubs. Then, with limiting wages, agents fees and transfer fee, ticket prices could be limited as well. However, we can only hope.